My .17 WSM is very similar to yours except for the style of Boyd's stock. Glass bedded per Cave Dwellers instructions also. That man is extraordinary! I have had my SS barrel threaded and awaiting approval from ATF on DA Mask. I absolutely am crazy about the performance of this rifle. I have shot all the brands of ammunition you have mentioned, but would like to recommend Federal AMERICAN EAGLE 20 grain tipped varmint. This round shoots the dime at 50 yds. very consistently. My only regret is that there aren't any prairie dogs in the southeast!!
A suppressed B-mag? That will be a thing of beauty! I don’t recall if I’ve tried the American Eagle 20 grainers. I wanted to use the 25 grains in case I got a shot at a coyote or bobcat, and it turns out that one shoots the best for me. I will keep my eye open for those American Eagles though.
Great video. Mine is bedded and has the Boyd's thumbhole. Shoots .75" to .50" at 100 metres all day long, as long I do my part. I also run a limbsaver barrel deresonator. Helped tighten the groups a little and makes them more consistent.
I wish the rifles came bedded the way Ruger does the American series of rifles with the bedding blocks in the stock. This would preclude having to restock and bed it later. I may end up with a skinny barrel bmag and will try to bed it in the flimsy factory stock. Mine is now quite cumbersome to carry any distance with the girth and weight of the stock. I would like to get close to that accuracy without the weight penalty for a "walking varminter" type setup. Thanks for watching our video.
If your B-mag barrel is crowding the left side of the barrel channel, check for a trigger assembly screw that's not relief cut in the action cut of the stock, they overlooked it. It's pushing the barreled action to the left barrel channel side.
Do you think I would need to re-bed if I found no relief cut and then cut one in? I suspect then the bedding wouldn’t line back up, if I am envisioning it correctly?
@@RegularGuysOutdoors If you bedded it before making the relief cut, probably to do it correctly, if the screw cap was putting pressure on the right hand side of the action channel wood when you bedded it, taking that pressure off may change the way it wants to sit in the bed. But you could try the relief cut and then see if it makes a difference. Personally, I would re-bed to allow the action to sit properly with no tension after the cutout notch has been performed.
Simple fix to the original stock I wished I known before sanding stock side and bedding. Even fabbed a recoil lug (large washer that's thickness fit snuggly into middle barrel groove) and affixed it in the bedding. Shoots great now but knowing the cause still exists is gnawing at my previous satisfaction. Looks like Boyd's might be getting another order. Thanks for the How-To info !
Good video... I had watched the reviews for several years... when Savage came out with the heavy barrel in a Boyds stock version ...I jumped on it...it's been hell on Crows ...fox and red pine squirrels up here in Northern Michigan.. my rifle like yours.. like the 25 gr Winchester over the 20 gr bullet loadings.. Groups are generally an inch or just under at 100 yds.... the 20 gr offerings average about a inch and a quarter to one and a half inches at 100 yds.....
Had the same fit problem with my HB thumbhole grey laminate factory boyd's stock. I have the 2019 made B-mag Stainless heavy barrel grey laminate thumbhole target model. There's a socket cap screw head that sticks out of the trigger pack far enough to scrape and push the action over at the mid, rear right side. This is between the forward lug and rear lug screws and was the reason the barreled action was pushing left. I noticed my barrel crowding the left side barrel channel also, when I removed the barreled action, there was deeply scraped up wood from the trigger screw on the right side action from factory assembly, across from the screw. I used a dremel sanding drum and relieved an almost half round notch about 5/16" into the stock material and about 5/8" to 3/4" straight down (as looking from above the action) where the screw was making contact so the screw would clear the barrel channel. Once I made a relief notch for the action to go straight down without the screw cap making contact all the way down so the action bottomed out properly, the Boyd's thumbhole laminate stock fit 100% straight along the entire barrel channel.
The back of the trigger housing has a little springed lever that you have to make a little room for with a file in the back. most stocks don't account for it naturally, just take a file & make a small groove... so that when u put the gun back in, the back of it is clear, & not pressed up against the wood of the stock. that little lever makes the trigger fall into place when cocked... it falls, but not locked, becuse it can't move to fall in. it's permanently stuck in place unless u file out a tiny little groove to keep the stock wood from jamming it. A tiny little spring loaded lever at the back under-side of the gun. Common mishap for gunners, simple fix. :)
you're pro-instructor teaches me learn to catch your high tech weapons within understanding how to invent good gun stocks. This is the idea I'm looking for many year to learn more from your guys.
Had to chuckle a little when you mentioned the barrel heading west-- but mine was in a Boyd's stock (Thumbhole, if you must know ;)). My solution was the same, with the same results. Not satisfied with only a $1 bill sliding through, I sanded a bit out of the channel so a $20 would easily slid through. Did the trick, too. My Savage (was my 'dream' rifle for years) is a tack driver.
I have the same setup. Same stock,but I haven't bedded mine yet. I took dremel tools and sanded the barrel channel on the left. It is free floating and is a tack driver as is. I changed out the bolt handle with a tactical handle, longer and beefier easier to cock now.
And nowadays you can get them from Savage in a laminate stock for less $ than buying afterwards. The skinny barrel version is still tempting me as a project to see if I can get it to shoot without a new stock.
I bought one of the very first ones in the state of Michigan. I was extremely disappointed in the , now infamous, accuracy issues. The fix was Boyd’s, glass bedding and weighing every single round of ammunition to sort out the inconsistencies. I’m shooting the 20 gr and rarely have shots over 100 yards at coyotes and fox. I’m satisfied with the accuracy now but shocked the Savage would release a piece of crap like this. I like to tinker with my guns but that’s to tighten an already small group not just to make it usable. I’m still shooting the.17 but by the end of the year I will be back to a suppressed.223. Great job on this video.
Browning is now making 17WSM in 25 grains. My guess is that it is the same load as the Winnie load, just a different headstamp, since Winchester makes the Browning ammo.
Great video 👍 I'm from the UK and been interested in getting a WSM rifle .it seems a fantastic caliber let down only by the rifles available for it .if only CZ would make a rifle chambered for WSM 🙏
@@RegularGuysOutdoors Not sure , my son has the .22 Ruger American with the laminate stock and heavy barrel. They are a well built rifle. Nice finish , much nicer than my BMag . They do a .17HMR version. The 77 is based off a full size rifle as well . Most .17,s are based off a .22 design. I think with the 77 they went off a center fire design.
Good video, I too copied cavedwellers instructions. What I have noticed is my cases had scratches down one side once I ejected . Turned out it's a burr on the breach caused by my dry firing the rifle , the round firing pins strikes on the lip of the breech causing the burr. I filed mine off carefully. Check yours and maybe make a video on it . Before somebody says "don't dry fire a rifle" most modern rifles are designed to be dry fired , this one is an exception
I usually put a piece of fired brass in the chamber to "dry fire" it before storing it, but not always and I did dry fire it like I said in the video. I just looked and I have a definite mark in the chamber where the firing pin hits. I will stop dry firing muy pronto.
I agree that any modern centerfire rifle is perfectly fine to dry-fire. You shouldn't ever dry fire rimfire rifles for this exact reason. I suppose that the firing pin is harder steel than the barrel is, but if you do it a decent bit, you will get a burr just like you said that you are getting. Glad you could file it out though!
I've had the Bmag Target with heavy barrel and boyds stock and has 1" groups out to 100m. There are rare flyers which could be my fault or the ammo but not the rifle.
I put mine in a Boyd's pro varmint in nutmeg. I can consistently hold 3/4 moa firing Winchester 25gr he. I did however have 2 inches cut off, and barrel threaded. I feel that the -2" helped accuracy greatly.
@@RegularGuysOutdoors definitely, the rifle is now my favorite coyote/rabbit rifle. Despite what some may say, it'll drop a yote at 265 easy and clean. But like any small caliber shot pavement is key.
Here's an inexpensive barrel tuner that works great if you're running a bull barrel.... get a shaft collar thats I.D. matches barrel O.D.. To prevent marring barrel finish use a nylon tipped set screw or put a piece of lead shot in hole and install set screw. Move collar in 1/8 - 1/16" increments and shoot 2-3 round shot groups. There's a YT video showing the how-to.
@@RegularGuysOutdoors definitely 'poor man's (or like me frugal). It's quite satisfying to smoke shooters that have 3x more $ invested. It's the physics/function of the concept that makes the tool work. Marketing/sales makes you think they've got a better mouse trap. Commercial units may be more convenient to use, but at 200+% more cost which way you willing to go to find out? Personally I thrive on seeing the finger pointing then seeing the jaws agape. Ignorance empties more wallets than one might imagine......
I just bought one an ordered a Boyd’s stock the classic version and no bedding was required it is very slightly favoring the left side but is free all the way up to the grooves in the barrel can slide a 20 through and I shoot half to quarter inch groups all day with 25 drain Winchester ammo
I should have tried without bedding and then again after. They love the left side and glad yours is a great shooter too. The bolt throw is a little weird but easy to get used to.
Yeah it’s a good rifle it gets a bad rap but I’m satisfied so far kind of having trouble holding my sighting in it holds great groups but drifts to the right a hair if it sits a few days may be my scope mounts lose a bit. Does your rifle have a gap at the end of the barrel from the stock? Mine is about a half inch gap so it’s really free floating lol
I have a leupold vx freedom 3x9-40 so it’s a quality scope not sure yet why it goes off without being messed with thinking about having my smith take a look
Great Video. I copied Cavedweller's video also, but with the factory stock to include removing the butt plate and filling the cavity with resin and glass beads. I can hit 8"x4" hog silhouettes @ 400 yards in 5 mph winds on the bench, sorting ammo for run-out error. Most accurate and fun gun I have ever shot without the centerfire ammo prices. Don't understand why I am the only one I know who owns one in my neck of the desert. I guess the needed stock tweaking turns folks away.
looks like you shot the 25 grainers first that could be why they appear to shoot better than the others, as your shooting your barrels heating up so obviously your groups are gonna open up, (still great groups tho) . The consensus over all appears that the Winchester 20 grainers are the most accurate for the 17wsm as whole here in US & Australia etc
Yes, I purchase one of these rifles from Savage, I do not know if they fix the problem the boat and the raffle sucks or cocking you have to put it off safety to get the gun to work right and that is a bad mistake Savage made
despite its quirks, I like this gun. Mostly because it has a good trigger and is accurate. For my usage, the quirks aren’t that big of a deal, but I would absolutely not put up with them if this was my deer or elk rifle.
I have the same gun, but with the pepper gray stock, also having the same issue with accuracy. purchased from Buds online gun room. going to try the 25 grain next
Mine has preferred the 25s from the start. The 20s and 25s do not have the same POI for me and the 20s don't group near as good for some reason. If the 25s dont group, check for any slop in the fit of the action and stock, it may still need to be bedded.
I've always saved a little more to go with wood stocks, except for my Weatherby. The only reason I go the Weatherby with a plastic stock is because of the price. I'll eventually get a Boyd's stock for it but I wish I had done it before they raised their price. Reason for not being in a hurry is it is a tack driver as is. Cavedweller1959 is who convinced me to bed so many of my rifles had wow what a difference. I think the only rifle it didn't improve was my savage 93r17. Obviously the action was secure enough without the need for bedding. I thought maybe it was just because the 17hmr has virtually no recoil but my savage mark II 22lr became my most accurate 22lr after bedding it so ???
If you ever take the barrel off of the action you will understand why it doesn’t shoot well. Uses set screws to hold barrel tight to action sloppy threads. Machined a collar for mine that tightens up shank of barrel to face of action, went from 3 in to less than a inch with mine. Bedded it also 2in of chamber area. Chopped barrel and recrowned it as well.
I own a standard "out of the box" heavy steel barrel bmag that shoots Winchester 20 or 25 grain 17WSM under .75 moa all day long. No need for Boyds stock or bedding.
Good for you!!! So happy you are watching teenagers put holes in paper. Have you seen any videos on people mowing lawns? Or seeing grass grow in real time?
Funny, but I was pining for Savage B17 'project' action to grab a Boyd's Custom Featherweight Thumbhole with a 14" pull and the higher comb, but- I really, really think a .17 WSM might make a better project. I think, at the end of the day, I might be doubling the 100 yard groupings- but... maybe not? There's a lot of value with the increased power at further distance with the .17 WSM round... I know that you are happy.... CaveDweller 1959 is purdy happy...Hmmmm, thoughts?
I would start with one of the Bmags already in a Boyd's laminate stock, you might not need to bed it. The WSM has as much energy at 135 yards as a HMR does at the muzzle. Essentially you are adding 135 yards to the effective range of the HMR.
@@RegularGuysOutdoors It really is about the speed at distance that takes everything off its feet. If I get the B-Mag in a Boyd stock- it's not a project! Glass bedding, suppressor, little things that take a good gun and 'accurize' it.
I took my stock off period and it's checkered on the inside I filled all those up with liquid Steel. Put all the action back together. And now it will shoot the same Bullet Hole over and over at hundred yards
I bought a skinny barrel b mag off a guy who sent it back to savage and got it re barreled I got the gun and 800 rounds of ammo for 400 dollars I really couldn't pass that up. Any way in short as long as I let the barrel cool a little in between shots that thing will shoot.
Been thinking about getting one of those. It would be a very lightweight rifle and if it didn't shoot well out of the box, I have some ideas how to bed and stiffen the plastic stock. A lot of folks are getting theirs to shoot good right from the factory. Thanks for watching.
Regular Guys Outdoors I just stumbled across your channel really enjoy it good clean material and good information. I heated my plastic stock over the stove and held it in place and rapidly cooled it off to get it to hold. Now even if i put pressure on the fore end of the rifle it doesn't make contact with the barrel. It shoots great as long as I give it time to cool after a few shots
I too have a skinny barrel one. It shoots ok. 1.5 to 2 inch at 100 yds. I feel thats fine for a walk around super light rifle . Less than 5 pounds with scope. I have the stainless bull barrel one too. Ive got it shootin under 1/2 in groups, I ditched the factory plastic stock in favor of the Boyds, Varmint pro. And I bedded it too.
Great video! I've been looking at /17 HMR recently and then found some info about the 17 WSM and thought why not go up a bit, but then I was reminded of a recent trip to the range where I fired a 30-06 for the first time and almost had a heart attack from the violence of the power that paced and that's when I realized, maybe I'm not a high-power rifle kinda guy. My point is I've never shot a 17 WSM so I have no idea how much of a kick it has or how loud it it is, do you have any comments or comparison that might shed some light on this? Thanks!
I forgot. While the liquid steel was drying I put it all back together and I wrapped forearm about 12 wraps with camouflage duct tape is Rock Solid and yes I use camouflage duct tape on everything I repair
Leave the bolt open when you put the magazine in and it will fire as it should I had the same exact problems you had and the same cure a new Boyd stock
Did you ever find out why savage likes to lean to the left? I was 3 different savage b22 fv sr models like that. And its weird that it did it on your boyd stock too. I thought, maybe an issue with the molding process.
I haven't been able to tell. I can only guess that the the barrels are not quite square to the receiver, but that doesn't seem likely...or maybe the receiver thread holes are slightly off? Cavedweller1969 did mention this in his review and said it wasn't the stock but didn't say what it was either.
Wife just got the new 17 WSM and I've been looking and you said that the stock is loose I watched it old man he put paracord on it could you put your old stock on but paracord around it good and tight and see if that tightens it up enough to still get a excellent grouping need a quick fix like to see what you think
I would initially try that right where the barrel meets the receiver, kind of where you would glass bed the rifle as opposed to the tip of the forearm.
Always and I mean always buy quality, you will get what you pay for. Savage is the economic end of rifles and the results show in craftsmanship. Accuracy after bedding still isn't what it should be.
My savage pack rifle is really nice but it's also 60 years old. So the savage arms from 60 years ago made it. 410 and 22lr for killing things in my yard. Idek how many rounds have been put through it, im the 3rd owner in my family
I'm really interested in this calibre. Can you still buy ammo for it easily? It isn't a very popular caliber in New Zealand, which is surprising considering the ballistic superiority over the more popular 17HMR.
Ammo for it is easy to find here in the US. The rifle selection is small compared to the HMR, and Savage offers it now with the Boyds stock from the factory.
5 is considered a better representation of what the rifle and shooter can do. It is easier to luck into a good 3 shot group. For my purposes, 3 is fine and I consider the center of the triangle as the actual "zero".
And I think if you are ordering the boys stock from their website, you will have a choice of the two barrel profiles. Otherwise, you’ll just have a large bull barrel channel in the stock and an extremely free floated sporter weight barrel.
The rear action screw goes into the trigger group. Which moves when the trigger is released. Bad design. Hope someone starts to make a gun for this excellent round .
Mine has done that when it has been shot alot. Use a cleaning rod to pop out the stuck case. Clean the chamber with a solvent, not clp, or oil. Clean the face of the extractor and up under the claw portion. Make sure the claw moves and has tension.
My .17 WSM is very similar to yours except for the style of Boyd's stock. Glass bedded per Cave Dwellers instructions also. That man is extraordinary! I have had my SS barrel threaded and awaiting approval from ATF on DA Mask. I absolutely am crazy about the performance of this rifle. I have shot all the brands of ammunition you have mentioned, but would like to recommend Federal AMERICAN EAGLE 20 grain tipped varmint. This round shoots the dime at 50 yds. very consistently. My only regret is that there aren't any prairie dogs in the southeast!!
A suppressed B-mag? That will be a thing of beauty! I don’t recall if I’ve tried the American Eagle 20 grainers. I wanted to use the 25 grains in case I got a shot at a coyote or bobcat, and it turns out that one shoots the best for me. I will keep my eye open for those American Eagles though.
Great video. Mine is bedded and has the Boyd's thumbhole. Shoots .75" to .50" at 100 metres all day long, as long I do my part. I also run a limbsaver barrel deresonator. Helped tighten the groups a little and makes them more consistent.
I wish the rifles came bedded the way Ruger does the American series of rifles with the bedding blocks in the stock. This would preclude having to restock and bed it later. I may end up with a skinny barrel bmag and will try to bed it in the flimsy factory stock. Mine is now quite cumbersome to carry any distance with the girth and weight of the stock. I would like to get close to that accuracy without the weight penalty for a "walking varminter" type setup. Thanks for watching our video.
@@RegularGuysOutdoorswhat boyds stock is this one
@@jgodawa13 I think it was the Prairie Hunter
If your B-mag barrel is crowding the left side of the barrel channel, check for a trigger assembly screw that's not relief cut in the action cut of the stock, they overlooked it. It's pushing the barreled action to the left barrel channel side.
Do you think I would need to re-bed if I found no relief cut and then cut one in? I suspect then the bedding wouldn’t line back up, if I am envisioning it correctly?
@@RegularGuysOutdoors If you bedded it before making the relief cut, probably to do it correctly, if the screw cap was putting pressure on the right hand side of the action channel wood when you bedded it, taking that pressure off may change the way it wants to sit in the bed. But you could try the relief cut and then see if it makes a difference. Personally, I would re-bed to allow the action to sit properly with no tension after the cutout notch has been performed.
Simple fix to the original stock I wished I known before sanding stock side and bedding. Even fabbed a recoil lug (large washer that's thickness fit snuggly into middle barrel groove) and affixed it in the bedding. Shoots great now but knowing the cause still exists is gnawing at my previous satisfaction.
Looks like Boyd's might be getting another order.
Thanks for the How-To info !
Good video... I had watched the reviews for several years... when Savage came out with the heavy barrel in a Boyds stock version ...I jumped on it...it's been hell on Crows ...fox and red pine squirrels up here in Northern Michigan.. my rifle like yours.. like the 25 gr Winchester over the 20 gr bullet loadings.. Groups are generally an inch or just under at 100 yds.... the 20 gr offerings average about a inch and a quarter to one and a half inches at 100 yds.....
It sure packs a punch for a rimfire for sure. I need to get mine out some more.
Had the same fit problem with my HB thumbhole grey laminate factory boyd's stock. I have the 2019 made B-mag Stainless heavy barrel grey laminate thumbhole target model. There's a socket cap screw head that sticks out of the trigger pack far enough to scrape and push the action over at the mid, rear right side. This is between the forward lug and rear lug screws and was the reason the barreled action was pushing left. I noticed my barrel crowding the left side barrel channel also, when I removed the barreled action, there was deeply scraped up wood from the trigger screw on the right side action from factory assembly, across from the screw. I used a dremel sanding drum and relieved an almost half round notch about 5/16" into the stock material and about 5/8" to 3/4" straight down (as looking from above the action) where the screw was making contact so the screw would clear the barrel channel. Once I made a relief notch for the action to go straight down without the screw cap making contact all the way down so the action bottomed out properly, the Boyd's thumbhole laminate stock fit 100% straight along the entire barrel channel.
The back of the trigger housing has a little springed lever that you have to make a little room for with a file in the back. most stocks don't account for it naturally, just take a file & make a small groove... so that when u put the gun back in, the back of it is clear, & not pressed up against the wood of the stock. that little lever makes the trigger fall into place when cocked... it falls, but not locked, becuse it can't move to fall in. it's permanently stuck in place unless u file out a tiny little groove to keep the stock wood from jamming it. A tiny little spring loaded lever at the back under-side of the gun. Common mishap for gunners, simple fix. :)
Well that explains the issue. I have been afraid to take it out of the stock again for fear the issue will come back, now I know the fix. Thank you.
you're pro-instructor teaches me learn to catch your high tech weapons within understanding how to invent good gun stocks. This is the idea I'm looking for many year to learn more from your guys.
Had to chuckle a little when you mentioned the barrel heading west-- but mine was in a Boyd's stock (Thumbhole, if you must know ;)). My solution was the same, with the same results. Not satisfied with only a $1 bill sliding through, I sanded a bit out of the channel so a $20 would easily slid through. Did the trick, too. My Savage (was my 'dream' rifle for years) is a tack driver.
You must have sanded alot to get a 20 to slid through. I need to get it back on the P-dog towns this summer.
My B Mag never had problems. Though, I did buy the newer version that comes stainless with a Boyds thumbhole stock.
I wish that version was out when I bought mine, would probably have saved a few dollars.
I have the same setup. Same stock,but I haven't bedded mine yet. I took dremel tools and sanded the barrel channel on the left. It is free floating and is a tack driver as is. I changed out the bolt handle with a tactical handle, longer and beefier easier to cock now.
The laminate stock adds a bunch of rigidity. If it shoots great as is, I wouldnt be in a hurry to bed it.
Did the same with my bolt handle also.
Made everything about cycling the bolt better.
Very tempted for one of these. I like the idea of a varmint gun I don't have to load for.
And nowadays you can get them from Savage in a laminate stock for less $ than buying afterwards. The skinny barrel version is still tempting me as a project to see if I can get it to shoot without a new stock.
I bought one of the very first ones in the state of Michigan. I was extremely disappointed in the , now infamous, accuracy issues. The fix was Boyd’s, glass bedding and weighing every single round of ammunition to sort out the inconsistencies. I’m shooting the 20 gr and rarely have shots over 100 yards at coyotes and fox. I’m satisfied with the accuracy now but shocked the Savage would release a piece of crap like this. I like to tinker with my guns but that’s to tighten an already small group not just to make it usable. I’m still shooting the.17 but by the end of the year I will be back to a suppressed.223.
Great job on this video.
It is a shame that Savage didn’t put a decent stock on it from the beginning. I would like to see a .20 or .22 based off of this cartridge.
excellent video
Thank you much!
Nice job. My Ruger American in a Boyd's also favors the left. Still free floated though. That might be my next rifle if there is ammo out there.
Browning is now making 17WSM in 25 grains. My guess is that it is the same load as the Winnie load, just a different headstamp, since Winchester makes the Browning ammo.
Great video 👍 I'm from the UK and been interested in getting a WSM rifle .it seems a fantastic caliber let down only by the rifles available for it .if only CZ would make a rifle chambered for WSM 🙏
CZ would be a classy and accurate one for sure. I would love to see it in a Ruger American Rimfire.
@@RegularGuysOutdoors Ruger does a .17WSM in the model 77 model 7219. I have a Bmag with a Boyd stock. Can,t wait to use it again come spring.
@@hartiaacres The 77 just seems like too much rifle for a rimfire, maybe the American Rimfire can't handle the higher pressures of the 17WSM.
@@RegularGuysOutdoors Not sure , my son has the .22 Ruger American with the laminate stock and heavy barrel. They are a well built rifle. Nice finish , much nicer than my BMag . They do a .17HMR version. The 77 is based off a full size rifle as well . Most .17,s are based off a .22 design. I think with the 77 they went off a center fire design.
Good video, I too copied cavedwellers instructions.
What I have noticed is my cases had scratches down one side once I ejected . Turned out it's a burr on the breach caused by my dry firing the rifle , the round firing pins strikes on the lip of the breech causing the burr. I filed mine off carefully. Check yours and maybe make a video on it .
Before somebody says "don't dry fire a rifle" most modern rifles are designed to be dry fired , this one is an exception
I usually put a piece of fired brass in the chamber to "dry fire" it before storing it, but not always and I did dry fire it like I said in the video. I just looked and I have a definite mark in the chamber where the firing pin hits. I will stop dry firing muy pronto.
I agree that any modern centerfire rifle is perfectly fine to dry-fire. You shouldn't ever dry fire rimfire rifles for this exact reason. I suppose that the firing pin is harder steel than the barrel is, but if you do it a decent bit, you will get a burr just like you said that you are getting. Glad you could file it out though!
I've had the Bmag Target with heavy barrel and boyds stock and has 1" groups out to 100m. There are rare flyers which could be my fault or the ammo but not the rifle.
Rocky Downunder glass bed the action to the stock if you want those flyers to join the group.
I put mine in a Boyd's pro varmint in nutmeg. I can consistently hold 3/4 moa firing Winchester 25gr he. I did however have 2 inches cut off, and barrel threaded. I feel that the -2" helped accuracy greatly.
I bet the recrowning cleaned things up a bit too.
@@RegularGuysOutdoors definitely, the rifle is now my favorite coyote/rabbit rifle. Despite what some may say, it'll drop a yote at 265 easy and clean. But like any small caliber shot pavement is key.
Here's an inexpensive barrel tuner that works great if you're running a bull barrel.... get a shaft collar thats I.D. matches barrel O.D..
To prevent marring barrel finish use a nylon tipped set screw or put a piece of lead shot in hole and install set screw.
Move collar in 1/8 - 1/16" increments and shoot 2-3 round shot groups.
There's a YT video showing the how-to.
Kind of like a ‘poor man’s” BOSS system Browning and Winchester had for a while.
@@RegularGuysOutdoors definitely 'poor man's (or like me frugal).
It's quite satisfying to smoke shooters that have 3x more $ invested.
It's the physics/function of the concept that makes the tool work. Marketing/sales makes you think they've got a better mouse trap.
Commercial units may be more convenient to use, but at 200+% more cost which way you willing to go to find out? Personally I thrive on seeing the finger pointing then seeing the jaws agape.
Ignorance empties more wallets than one might imagine......
I just bought one an ordered a Boyd’s stock the classic version and no bedding was required it is very slightly favoring the left side but is free all the way up to the grooves in the barrel can slide a 20 through and I shoot half to quarter inch groups all day with 25 drain Winchester ammo
I should have tried without bedding and then again after. They love the left side and glad yours is a great shooter too. The bolt throw is a little weird but easy to get used to.
Yeah it’s a good rifle it gets a bad rap but I’m satisfied so far kind of having trouble holding my sighting in it holds great groups but drifts to the right a hair if it sits a few days may be my scope mounts lose a bit. Does your rifle have a gap at the end of the barrel from the stock? Mine is about a half inch gap so it’s really free floating lol
I have a leupold vx freedom 3x9-40 so it’s a quality scope not sure yet why it goes off without being messed with thinking about having my smith take a look
Mine has a quarter inch gap. Thats weird about the drift.
Post if find out the issue...cold barrel, hot barrel?
Nice lookin stock. Love the color and wood grain on it.
those laminates allow you to go mild or wild with the colors
I can relate, waiting for my new stock to arrive. Good video thank you
Hope it works out as good for you too.
Just picked up the bmag in the target model and it's a gem I love it taken 3 coyotes and a fox all dead on impact
Glad to hear the 17WSM puts them down. One day I hope to get a predator to come in to a call. Just did some more P-dogs with it, very happy with it.
Just killed another coyote yesterday so far 4 coyotes one fox
Any updates? I'm getting the target model. How far are you consistent?
Great Video. I copied Cavedweller's video also, but with the factory stock to include removing the butt plate and filling the cavity with resin and glass beads. I can hit 8"x4" hog silhouettes @ 400 yards in 5 mph winds on the bench, sorting ammo for run-out error. Most accurate and fun gun I have ever shot without the centerfire ammo prices. Don't understand why I am the only one I know who owns one in my neck of the desert. I guess the needed stock tweaking turns folks away.
I am thinking of the thin barrel model and fill in the void in the plastic stock for a lightweight run around gun.
looks like you shot the 25 grainers first that could be why they appear to shoot better than the others, as your shooting your barrels heating up so obviously your groups are gonna open up, (still great groups tho) . The consensus over all appears that the Winchester 20 grainers are the most accurate for the 17wsm as whole here in US & Australia etc
Going to have to do this to my Bmag rifle .....
you won’t be disappointed
Yes, I purchase one of these rifles from Savage, I do not know if they fix the problem the boat and the raffle sucks or cocking you have to put it off safety to get the gun to work right and that is a bad mistake Savage made
despite its quirks, I like this gun. Mostly because it has a good trigger and is accurate. For my usage, the quirks aren’t that big of a deal, but I would absolutely not put up with them if this was my deer or elk rifle.
My barrel hooks left as well. Sent it back to savage and they checked everything but that. The project is ahead of me in an AT-1 .
The rifle and cartridge are accurate, but I wish Savage
would have adopted a more conventional action to put it in.
Great video. Thank you.
Thank you for tuning in.
I have the same gun, but with the pepper gray stock, also having the same issue with accuracy. purchased from Buds online gun room. going to try the 25 grain next
Mine has preferred the 25s from the start. The 20s and 25s do not have the same POI for me and the 20s don't group near as good for some reason. If the 25s dont group, check for any slop in the fit of the action and stock, it may still need to be bedded.
I've always saved a little more to go with wood stocks, except for my Weatherby. The only reason I go the Weatherby with a plastic stock is because of the price. I'll eventually get a Boyd's stock for it but I wish I had done it before they raised their price. Reason for not being in a hurry is it is a tack driver as is. Cavedweller1959 is who convinced me to bed so many of my rifles had wow what a difference. I think the only rifle it didn't improve was my savage 93r17. Obviously the action was secure enough without the need for bedding. I thought maybe it was just because the 17hmr has virtually no recoil but my savage mark II 22lr became my most accurate 22lr after bedding it so ???
I really ought to try bedding some other rifles to try and tighten them up a bit.
Man Comanche is gorgeous. It's a shame the scorching heat Rob's the luster.
Yeah, you certainly want to cover your skin, wear sunscreen and drink lots of water in the summer down there.
Great video. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
I would say the barrel holds the left side of the stock because the way the action holes were drilled
was yours favoring the left too?
If you look in the comments, a guy explains how a particular screw sticks out too far, pressing on the inside of the stock and canting the action.
I have the bmag target rifle heavy barrel and Boyd’s Thumbhole stock taken lots of coyotes and prairie dogs
I like how much "pop" it puts on a P-dog and sometimes lifts them off the ground.
I just bought one are you happy with it
If you ever take the barrel off of the action you will understand why it doesn’t shoot well. Uses set screws to hold barrel tight to action sloppy threads. Machined a collar for mine that tightens up shank of barrel to face of action, went from 3 in to less than a inch with mine. Bedded it also 2in of chamber area. Chopped barrel and recrowned it as well.
Real loose headspace on these rifles too causes some of the ftf.
That is an awesome fix. I have to admit, I didn't even notice how it is attached.
I have never seen any set screws on a B mag...
Just bought one.. mine hit left side of foreend as well. Seems like that's the common thing. Getting a boyds stock asap
I think you will like it a bunch.
I own a standard "out of the box" heavy steel barrel bmag that shoots Winchester 20 or 25 grain 17WSM under .75 moa all day long. No need for Boyds stock or bedding.
Glad you got one that shoots to its potential out of the box. Thanks for watching!
I just watched a video where a teenager put 5 in a ragged hole at 100yds.
Good for you!!! So happy you are watching teenagers put holes in paper.
Have you seen any videos on people mowing lawns? Or seeing grass grow in real time?
No need to name call and be hostile on the net. Can't we all just get along?
nice shooting at the prairie play ground..
good shooting
every dog has his day
Funny, but I was pining for Savage B17 'project' action to grab a Boyd's Custom Featherweight Thumbhole with a 14" pull and the higher comb, but- I really, really think a .17 WSM might make a better project. I think, at the end of the day, I might be doubling the 100 yard groupings- but... maybe not? There's a lot of value with the increased power at further distance with the .17 WSM round... I know that you are happy.... CaveDweller 1959 is purdy happy...Hmmmm, thoughts?
I would start with one of the Bmags already in a Boyd's laminate stock, you might not need to bed it. The WSM has as much energy at 135 yards as a HMR does at the muzzle. Essentially you are adding 135 yards to the effective range of the HMR.
@@RegularGuysOutdoors It really is about the speed at distance that takes everything off its feet. If I get the B-Mag in a Boyd stock- it's not a project! Glass bedding, suppressor, little things that take a good gun and 'accurize' it.
I took my stock off period and it's checkered on the inside I filled all those up with liquid Steel. Put all the action back together. And now it will shoot the same Bullet Hole over and over at hundred yards
that made the stock significantly more rigid for sure
I'm using the laminated stock from savage, I've posted a vid.on my channel with suppressor
I don't see it on your channel
You need to have the rifle trued to center the barrel in the stock.
I bought a skinny barrel b mag off a guy who sent it back to savage and got it re barreled I got the gun and 800 rounds of ammo for 400 dollars I really couldn't pass that up. Any way in short as long as I let the barrel cool a little in between shots that thing will shoot.
Been thinking about getting one of those. It would be a very lightweight rifle and if it didn't shoot well out of the box, I have some ideas how to bed and stiffen the plastic stock. A lot of folks are getting theirs to shoot good right from the factory. Thanks for watching.
Regular Guys Outdoors I just stumbled across your channel really enjoy it good clean material and good information. I heated my plastic stock over the stove and held it in place and rapidly cooled it off to get it to hold. Now even if i put pressure on the fore end of the rifle it doesn't make contact with the barrel. It shoots great as long as I give it time to cool after a few shots
I too have a skinny barrel one. It shoots ok. 1.5 to 2 inch at 100 yds. I feel thats fine for a walk around super light rifle . Less than 5 pounds with scope. I have the stainless bull barrel one too. Ive got it shootin under 1/2 in groups, I ditched the factory plastic stock in favor of the Boyds, Varmint pro. And I bedded it too.
If Hogue makes one, get an overmolded stock.
I do wish there was a synthetic option. The Boyd's is great, just a bit bulky and heavy.
Great video! I've been looking at /17 HMR recently and then found some info about the 17 WSM and thought why not go up a bit, but then I was reminded of a recent trip to the range where I fired a 30-06 for the first time and almost had a heart attack from the violence of the power that paced and that's when I realized, maybe I'm not a high-power rifle kinda guy. My point is I've never shot a 17 WSM so I have no idea how much of a kick it has or how loud it it is, do you have any comments or comparison that might shed some light on this? Thanks!
kick is as close non-existent as you can get, very similar to 22 mag
It’s a great load, it does have some “bark” but the recoil is minimal (I’ve shot air rifles with more)
Damn that leaf was a beast
.17s are a bit sensitive to obstacles and wind.
Regular Guys Outdoors I don't care for the bolt handle and I found a knew one just gotta get a little extra cash up for it
I forgot. While the liquid steel was drying I put it all back together and I wrapped forearm about 12 wraps with camouflage duct tape is Rock Solid and yes I use camouflage duct tape on everything I repair
I have camo’ed up an old shotgun with it😀🤦♂️
Leave the bolt open when you put the magazine in and it will fire as it should I had the same exact problems you had and the same cure a new Boyd stock
Thanx for the informative video. I plan on glass bedding my b mag once my Boyd’s stock comes. Which epoxy did you use?
JB Weld, I don't recall if it was the quick set or regular. I used one on this rifle and the other on the Marlin 17HMR. Thanks for watching.
Might as well get the .17 Hornet. it is another 600 Ft/s faster
That sounds like a lot of reloading to be done, lol
But I bet it would be awesome on the pdogs💥
Did you ever find out why savage likes to lean to the left? I was 3 different savage b22 fv sr models like that. And its weird that it did it on your boyd stock too. I thought, maybe an issue with the molding process.
I haven't been able to tell. I can only guess that the the barrels are not quite square to the receiver, but that doesn't seem likely...or maybe the receiver thread holes are slightly off? Cavedweller1969 did mention this in his review and said it wasn't the stock but didn't say what it was either.
Depending on how much the replacement stock cost,mite be better spending more on a rifle that comes with a better stock.
The Boyd’s is a factory option now so should be more cost effective like that.
Wife just got the new 17 WSM and I've been looking and you said that the stock is loose I watched it old man he put paracord on it could you put your old stock on but paracord around it good and tight and see if that tightens it up enough to still get a excellent grouping need a quick fix like to see what you think
I would initially try that right where the barrel meets the receiver, kind of where you would glass bed the rifle as opposed to the tip of the forearm.
Always and I mean always buy quality, you will get what you pay for. Savage is the economic end of rifles and the results show in craftsmanship. Accuracy after bedding still isn't what it should be.
My savage pack rifle is really nice but it's also 60 years old. So the savage arms from 60 years ago made it. 410 and 22lr for killing things in my yard. Idek how many rounds have been put through it, im the 3rd owner in my family
I'm really interested in this calibre. Can you still buy ammo for it easily? It isn't a very popular caliber in New Zealand, which is surprising considering the ballistic superiority over the more popular 17HMR.
Ammo for it is easy to find here in the US. The rifle selection is small compared to the HMR, and Savage offers it now with the Boyds stock from the factory.
I have one of the 17 wsms and it has to be off of safety before it will actually cock the rifle
is that cock the rifle, or cycle/lift the bolt?
Who else makes stocks for the Savage B Mag besides Boyd's? Thanks.
I have looked a little and can't find anyone else.
Shame you had to spend so much money and time to get it to shoot right.
But good result in the end
Yeah, is it too much ask to build a sturdy, rigid synthetic stock? Not high-end, just stout. The stock on my Remington 710 is cheap, yet sturdy.
Comparing 5-shot to 3-shot groups means ... ?
5 is considered a better representation of what the rifle and shooter can do. It is easier to luck into a good 3 shot group. For my purposes, 3 is fine and I consider the center of the triangle as the actual "zero".
Beautiful bedding job, btw
Do you eat your kills? Do you do taxidermy? What do you do?
How to buy like that for hunting only...
Can you use a Boyd stock with the light barrel b mag?
Yes, and also Savage offers it from the factory as the Bmag Sporter
And I think if you are ordering the boys stock from their website, you will have a choice of the two barrel profiles. Otherwise, you’ll just have a large bull barrel channel in the stock and an extremely free floated sporter weight barrel.
were you hunting in colorado?
Yep, on the vast public lands in the southeast part.
The rear action screw goes into the trigger group. Which moves when the trigger is released. Bad design. Hope someone starts to make a gun for this excellent round .
There are a couple of companies that do
What model Boyd's stock is yours ?
99% sure it is the Rimfire Hunter.
Thanks for the fast reply and take care
Good looking rifle but I think she can be better in tamphole stock)
My Savage B Mag won't extract the round out of the chamber?
Mine has done that when it has been shot alot. Use a cleaning rod to pop out the stuck case. Clean the chamber with a solvent, not clp, or oil. Clean the face of the extractor and up under the claw portion. Make sure the claw moves and has tension.
I noticed that you didn’t use anything to torque the stock screws. Is that true or not the case?
I did not use any kind of torque wrench on the stock screws.
Rimfires tend to benefit from torque tuning the action screws. There's a few YT vids that show it.
thumbs up
Does any of you know where I can find a laminate stock for the B17 wsm?
Boyd’s Gunstocks
does the savade 93R17 17 hmr has the same problem or is it just this model?
This seems typical of the 17 WSM, Savage B-mag. I do not know about the 93R17 model.
My 93r17 is lights out the most accurate gun I have. The magazines leave a little to be desired though.
Barrel twist yours is prolly a 1.8 a lot of these is 1.9 twist witch the 1.8 should do better with a 25g bullet
It’s still just the plastic stock in my area 😡
That's a shame because they have several styles of Boyd stocks from the factory now, including this one and thumbhole versions.
i believe cave dweller sent one of his b mags back due to the barrel not being in alignment with the receiver
I do believe I remember him saying something about an issue with accuracy, and specifically, he said it wasn't the stock.
buy a CZ !!!! LOL
do they even make a 17 WSM? Eric loves his CZ 455 Scout 22LR. It is a very accurate rifle.
Impossible I have heard. Not made.