Forza Horizon 5 Review - The cringe comes at you faster than the cars
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I miss the days where a racing game starts you out with a choice of a couple of beaten up cars. slowly chipping your way to getting a small amount of bank to get that small upgrade allowing you to finally win that big ticket race and allow you to get that new car.. oh the feeling buying your first real car to race and upgrade... Now before I even played a single race I have 15 cars in my garage and after the first race I can afford most of the cars in the roster.
Maybe new TDU will have that ;-)
Bro. Literally every franchise other than Forza still does that. Have you been living under a rock?
@Florida Man They could do that. And that is not even expensive to implement.
But I doubt that they will :-(
@@igorthelight I had a hunch TDUSC is gonna fail, like 3 pre-rendered trailers in a row and not a single gameplay has been showcased
Like even EA and Ubisoft of all corrupt AAA companies had some decency to show the gameplay to the public
@@adlibbed2138 Yeah, that's strange...
But it's ok. Just don't pre-order anything and you will not be fooled - that's my rule ;-)
I love watching reviews of games I have no interest in simply for the amazing commentary 😂
There’s no reviewer like worth a buy ;)
Worth a listen!
This
I’ve been watching Mack for years for that exact reason.
I dunno, he kinda phoned this one in
The thing that struck me the hardest with this game was that when I'd finished a 15 minute race some announcer lauded me for finishing such a long race, and I couldn't help but think about TDUs Tour of the Island Race. It felt like such a mockery and I really longed for TDU again.
15 minutes is nothing lmao. I did 4 hour long races back on Gran Turismo on the ps2
I know right, that's why I stick to TDU franchise way more than FH4 / FH5.
Not to mention that unforgiving time deduction system on TDU2, that thing along with the slight understeer from is the REAL thrill for me. Too bad TDU2's online servers shutted down, but I do remember the longest Ibiza race was like 3 times longer than FH4's Goliath exhibition race.
"I couldn't cope as a 20 year old now"
me neither dude
I’m 22 and even I think it would have been better to be my age now but 20 years ago
Needs more heat and rep! Nice plate.
Let's go Brandon!
I got calor from the federales in MeXicol. The more calor you get, the more fama you get. Fama equals calor, calor equals fama, as long as you've got banco. If you've got banco you can get fama from calor from fama. _🎵 And all the calor you can get. 🎵_
Highjacking this to demand the promised CoD- trans-racism banter video! You’re leading us on, Mack
and bank
Let's go Brandon 🚶♂️ 💪
Great review. Still waiting on the CoD rant though 😂
Yeah where is that one ?
I want to see it
Bugatti Chiron jumping over a ramp flying over 6000ft and lands perfectly.
Yep. Makes lot of sense.
Chiron? Or Veyon? They both the same to me cause they both got the same 8L W16 engine. If you ask me both cars with the same engine, I doubt one of them is faster than the other. However EB110 with the V12 much better cause it's faster than the new models. Pretty stupid people think Chiron is faster than Veyon but don't acknowledge they both have the same engine design.
10/10 from IGN best racing game of all time apparently 😂
It is tho lol. Cringe bc of the commentary? Yes, but that is not what the game is about, the gameplay is fun, looks amazing, and multiplayer is where all the fun is at.
What else is there on the arcade side
@@mr.darknight416 TDU2?
@@witheredhen3244 well Mack said that Horizon 2 was the best open world racer even better than Test Drive and I assume he finds this a better game than FH2 because well how couldn’t you.
@@mr.darknight416 it's worse than FH4 and FH3 by a huge margin. Appearantly best game of all time means something else for you xD
When’s the vanguard story and politics review coming?
I'm excited for that video
Yes we need that soon pleeeeease 😅😅😅
@UCE3rZ366bKUu1qNldvwL7fw Can't wait to hear him destroy that cash grab piece of shit.
Heres hoping
I see a thumbnail of a car on WAB vid and all I can hear is "The more heat you get..."
Spent a bit time trying to revive the wheel, factory reset did not work but I think the burning smell filling the room may have something to do with it, gonna get the tool kit out and have a poke around inside, it's looking quite terminal.
Welcome back Brandon lol
might be the belt. also the default FFB on this game is brutal, thought my G29 was going to shake it self apart!
If I was in the UK you could have dropped it off (Haswell) and I would have taken a look at it for you.
Don't buy a new wheel. Fanatec is devoloping a consumer version of direct drive generators. So you can basically get equipment for the same amount you buy ordinary setups for that used to cost like $2000-3000
@@ickerolig It is still cheaper to buy a real car and a good racing wheel.
The whole time I'm just thinking : Shuuuuuuuut uuuuuup, just let me driiiiiive
I like a good arcade racer, but for everything this game does well, they've gone way too far with accessibility. There's no sense of accomplishment if you're only ever been told how amazing you are. The cringe dances also make me want to remove my eyes.
Exactly mate
I felt that way with 4 at first but you do discover more challenging things to do like doing time trials trying to be top 10-5-1% and such.
I can agree with the cringe dances, etc... but like, i also don't really give a fuck about them. 🤷
@@Boomer112 yeah, I agree, it's not a big deal and is hardly a reason to not like the game. I actually think this game deserves the praise, its just the vibe the games going for isn't to my taste.
As long the multiplayer is fun and fair, I'll have a blast.
The "Welcome back, Brandon!" at the end killed me. Great stuff!
Yeah there's nothing like rancid bullshit politics in a game review by a person who's always bitching and moaning about others ramming their agenda down his throat.
@@MozzMonster The irony flies over most of these people's heads. What they mean when they say "keep politics out of my gaem" is "quit saying stuff I don't like, reeeee"
Politics? What are these dickheads talking about? I, too, am a NASCAR fan. Let's go Brandon!
@@utrak Trump lost and that meme isn't even funny
@@JustSkram Haha! Rent free. Let's go Brandon!
I've listed around 40 cars on the auction house and sold 2 of them.
100% agree. Playground games went all out on KIDDY MODE. The game honestly makes you feel stupid in that it feels like it has to hold your hand in EVERY single aspect of the game.
We're meant to be the Horizon no.1 champion yet we still need a 2 minute tutorial about smashing XP signs?
Also whats with giving no bonus credits for turning OFF assisted steering and rewind?
No incentive to turn off the most overpowered cheat you could ever ask for in a driving game... fucking rewind *facepalm*
Have gamers gotten that STUPID over the years they need a guaranteed win button?? and there is absolutely no reward for those playing the game without that shit on?? Christ.
The graphics look so cheap compared to Horizon 4. Plus the text font in this game looks childish. Even the Text Font in Horizon 4 looked professional. The lighting of Horizon 5 is like the lighting in Breaking Bad its depressing. It's yellow out there.
I paid exactly one dollar to play this game so I don’t feel like I’m losing out either way.
i literally bought xbox gamepass for forza and halo
i uninstalled even after paying $1 because mack is right. this game is junk
@@S44BBOI i guess you haven't watched the video he said it's flawed but still good
You get half the game you mean. You only get %50 of these shit house games without buying the $150 premium limited bullshit edition.
@@S44BBOI the game is not junk, just bc u dont like it lol. Yes the dances and thise can be cring, but the gameplay itself is amazing, especially in multiplayer. Its one of my best racing games.
Any really good games you love right now? I haven't played a video game I've enjoyed in literal months. I get on my PC and just stare at my library and end up just turning it back off
I'm currently switching between Uboat, Green Hell and Rimworld. Well... Rimworld will not get "switched". You never really stop playing Rimworld.😂
Been playing a ton of Hitman recently. The new ones are pretty damn good. I think there's a sale on too.
@@rall172 I love Rimworld haha I've put quite a bit of time into it
Yeah loads this year, mainly Indie though but am loving AOE4, The Riftbreaker and Deep rock Galactic just had a huge update.
Age of Empires 4
I went back to play TDU just to see if it was just nostalgia glasses I was wearing or not. Its just as good as I remembered. Its almost laughable how TDU laid the groundwork for other games then fucked off for 10 years and no other company has put the things TDU put in.
How is it that these studios can make visually stunning games, with zero soul, dumb content and appeal to the lowest common denominator. When are we going to get something with a hardcore option for people who actually want a challenge?
There is a LOT of money in making and selling good looking McDonald's burgers than quality health food.
I don't blame the companies, it's the audience that they have zeroed in and delivering their fast food games to, that one should appreciate strictly from a business pov.
Just so you know, this game is also on PC gamepass, so you can play it for a couple bucks, rather than buying it at full price and then having it collect dust after the first month, if you don't like it. :)
this game pass is bad, they try to force it onto ppl so they get into it and that way they get more cotrol over what will be published since they will chose who do they give right to release game on platform and game dev will do even ore of a will of publisher and not a creative will of theyr passion
nice one, I did wonder if it was coming to GP
@@AandKify not the case AT ALL
How do you get gamepass?
@@rem9750 yew sure mind explain??
This seems like it would make a fantastic arcade game, if we still had video game arcade's of course...
I was only saying the other day, you’d walk into an arcade and see and play games that were just incredible compared to anything you could play at home!
Time Crisis 4 I remember blowing my mind. Pole Position 2 the same!
Arcades need to make a comeback man..
@@Ishin69 I went to a massive arcade in Japan and was so disappointed. Because we have such cutting edge technology on home PCs, the arcade machines don't look special. The most impressive ones had 360 degree screens, where you sit inside a sphere and control a mech but pretty much all the machines were relying on gimmicks rather than gameplay or graphics.
When I saw Out Run in the arcades, it blew my mind due to the graphics and speed of the game. Nothing close existed on home computers at the time. It's just not possible to create that sense of awe now :( I am glad I grew up through the heyday of the arcade, mind. I would count the days to the weekend to go to the coast and play Gauntlet or Track 'n' Field with my mates :D
@@stevezpj yeah i definitely get your point. a shame, arcade culture was amazing, i'm only 25 years old so I never got to experience the golden age of arcades myself sadly.
@@Ishin69 I am still all for arcades being retro arcades and playing Out Run in a full cabinet, again. Unfortunately this only evokes nostalgia rather than awe :(
I remember desperately trying to convince myself that the ZX Spectrum version of Bubble Bobble was arcade perfect :D
I got EmuVR recently and set up old lightgun games like Point Blank and Time Crisis. That felt pretty amazing so I'd love to see them back in the arcades again.
The license plate... lol.
I think that modern games cator ro peoples short concentration when it comes to in game rewards and then they update the game every few months or weeks with new events and items to bring people back in. Like you said, in Test Drive you had to work your ass off to get anything. If you wanted to upgrade from the trailerhouse to a mansion then it's nothing you can do in like 2 hours. I would love another Test Drive game or a game with similar progression.
Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown comes out September 2022.
Or you have gran turismo
I enjoy your honest reviews a little too much I must admit. Thanks for all you!!
appreciate the review, mack. i really like the game (I'm level 100, lol) but i really don't like how with each Forza there's even less and less a sense of progression and personalization. they just throw a car of every class at you 5 minutes into the game, not that it'd matter since events choose opponents based on what you drive, not the other way around. still a lot of fun, though. sorry to hear about your wheel, always gutted when they die. i've been using a G29 for 5 and a half years and i absolutely love it, still feels tight as a drum.
Mack you won't believe how many game fandoms has this "if you criticize the game then you're a bad person" type of mindset. Something like this is what pushed me to be a silent reader on most games forums that I've visited for my own good.
I watched all your videos while I was going through chemo I know it's just a review show but the amount of times I laughed kept me staying positive thank you for doing you
good luck with your health stay strong and hope you get well soon 👊🏻
Oh I love Mack so much, I really do, people like Mack keep the smile on my face and keep me honest, he’s the dad I never had and I’m probably older than him lmao
I miss games like Grand Turismo , where you have to earn money by racing multiple races with SHIT car.
In order to get better races you had to get a licence and there were amazing endurance races with amazing rewards. Concept cars that could not be bought etc.
I've seen someone play it on emulator recently , the couldn't figure out the first License :)
Heck even Need for speed Underground 2 has BETTER career and customization , which is sad...
Games are a lot more simplistic now :(
Well got some good news. Gran Turismo 7 is set for release in March next year. Will be on the PS4 & PS5. I wonder if Worth A Buy will be doing a review.
@@spacewarlord6583 I make a point of never getting excited anymore. Can't trust these orgs. Never give in to Hopium :D We will see when it drops.
@@spacewarlord6583 GT7 will be too online centric, unfortunately. I want a return to licenses & difficult races against the AI on fictional tracks driving around in cars which require skill to handle. Racing around special stage route 5 in an Aston Martin? That was hardcore & totally satisfying when mastered. Those mini championships, licenses, credits & opponents had a "realism" factor which has been totally lost since, despite the improved graphics & handling model.
And what's with the AI driver names being online users or people on our friend list in Forza Horizon 5? It's so weird & immersion breaking.
I remember doing a shit ton of races in an old used shitbox back in GT4... Took me like half a day just to get myself a R-34 Skyline
One thing that triggers me with these games is that there is no crashing like in gta5 or so, you can go a million miles per hour and crash against a giant boulder and your car just stops, never goes flying and spinning in the air, and doesnt get damaged either, wish it had that...
Crashes and damage in racing games are also a good way for disinsentivizing
people too go off track
@@Unapologeticweeb could be an option to toggle
Games like this sum up a huge problem with the world now! No one appreciates things like they used to! It needs to be easy or given, which then, ensures those people will lack appreciation.
some of the first public score games were based in arcades and you needed quarters. They gave you EVERYTHING at the start, the joy was in the game play, secrets, and learning all the cars. The issue is people like you who think pay to win or grind fest games are fun. Not everyone wants to buy a game at the start and suffer because they are at a disadvantage. You're wrong, enough said.
@@VroomTech he's not wrong
the Forza Horizon were always the more Arcadey games, while FORZA MOTORSPORT has always been the equivalent to the famous Gran Turismo simulators. I recommend @Mack to play Forza Motorsport 1, it's amazing.
I've never heard a more generic statement in my life. It's akin to saying "Ok" or "Yes".
Yeah but it's been 4 years since FM 7 came out. Seems like they don't care anymore and are only focusing on the Horizon games.
@@mesicek7 I've heard they are reworking a lot of fundamental things for FM8 which is why development takes longer than the 2 year release cycle they are usually on.
FH5 is just FH4 with a new map and some fluff left and right, a new mode here or there, but mostly same old same old.
FM8 will have new car physics and they already announced a car pool reset of some kind.
...if that will be a good or a bad thing remains to be seen of course.
@@BlackwingDuck everyone's entitled to their opinion
@@mesicek7 today, 'they don't care anymore' often means 'they can't monetize that game'...
Anything that gets released today, especially the AAA titles, they need to have some kind of monetization scheme, otherwise.. it's not interesting !
I still don't believe a proper gran turismo game is being made, with all the good stuff such as the driving school, museum, A-specs, B-specs, 2nd hand, etc etc.! When they announced and released gt sports, everybody thought it was the end.
Is gonna be awesome, too be able to earn those old cars, and do a few races with each car. But seeing the current trend, the game will be delayed... until 2023 !
Regarding motorsports.... what takes the most time is... the cars. But if they wanted, the could grab the +500 cars from horizon 5, some AI, some physics, the sound effects, etc... and put them inside motorsports... at least 2 years saved !
But can they monetize a forza motorsports game ?
I use a Logitech G920 with the shifter. Shifter is kind of pointless though since every car at the start of the game has 8 freaking gears, so I have to use the paddles. It's a solid wheel though, very sturdy with strong feedback and 900 degrees of rotation.
Let's go Brandon!
+1 for lgb!
Sad when gameplay itself is nerfed in service of making people feel like they can actually play.
Have you tried a factory reset for the wheel? If it is just constantly wiggling itself at the zero position after you unplugged the data cable it might just need a new calibration or something like that.
Yeh I had a similar thing, reset it, updated the drivers, unplugged everything, got it all back setup and it worked
Yeah I think the motor burnt out, could be dust, am opening it up but factory reset failed.
Does the wheel come with a driver or is there an option for updating the Firmware? I could see a driver becoming corrupted by unplugging and plugging back in possibly.
@@Arokuara nothing should happen to the wheel unless you're currently updating firmware
who knows with windows 10 & 11 any random problem can be a software fault these days
@@WorthABuyreviews hey Mack,thank you for your review,as a Thrustmaster TX owner i can tell you it feels pretty good on a wheel,currently cruising with an Lexus LFA and it puts a big smile on my face!..the sounds are spot on!..the game has some problems,like FFB that suddenly dissapears and sometimes if you drive around it's if you hit a puddle of quicksand(insta stop)...did see on the game-post that they are aware of the problem and going to fix it asap,sorry to hear about your wheel,i would recomment a Fanatec DD CSL wheel(5 nm standart with heavier powersupply up to 8 nm)...you don't feel the belt no more(i'll still do on my TX)..i'll know they are not cheap,but they are the future...good luck to you mate.
9:35 Let's go brandon? 😂
“Welcome back Brandon”
I see what you did there 😉😂
Let's go Brandon! 😂🤣
Based mack
Brilliant as always! LOL!😂
I left the PC on overnight, 102gb to download this... got to the character creation menu and for the first time ever a game asked which pronouns I preferred. ALT+F4.
...better get used to it ...it won't be the last time.
I don't understand the problem here. It's not like the inclusion of extra pronouns made up some significant portion of your 102gb download. Did the game force you to use a pronoun you didn't want? Or do you often find yourself getting upset with video games for including optional features that you don't use?
@@battlesnake655 Oh not upset, more shrieks of laughter at the lack of actual character and vehicle customization. However you can pick pronouns and wear a covid face mask... I came to race cars but instead I'm being fed some irrelevant cringe wrapped woke bs.
@@battlesnake655 "I don't understand the problem here" Jesus, you must have been in a coma for around the last 5 years then.
@@mickmcfc LOL well if you think a Forza Horizon game is an acceptable form of video game racing, you'd best prepare your snowflake sensibilities because this is the future of AAA gaming.
I'm still laughing at the "I came to race cars" bit.
When you say “Test Drive” I think of a limited selection of cars and one mountain road, and if you over-rev your engine your car explodes. Took me a few minutes to realise you’re talking about the 360 game and not the C64 game 😂
Mack, it's your driving instructor friend from Australia, CRUDE Driving! 😆 Thanks for yet another honest review, I'm so sick of the 10/10 BS out there!! Although, I wish you went deeper into the A.I, as in freeroam, since Forza Horizon 1 I believe, they have no awareness of you the player, whatsoever, and love ramming into you. I could go on with the recycled elements, but no-one cares what I have to say. 😜 I look forward to your TDU Solar Crown review, fingers crossed, it's what we all want! 🤞🏽
TDU 1 is one of my favorite games of all time. I really hope TDU 3 is good.
@@samwyzegg7935 TDU 3 is my last hope for open world driving games. I really hope the Forza influence doesn't seep into the game too much.
@@samwyzegg7935 I think TDU 2 was even better
Appreciate the honest review. I do think the TDU series had a leg up in this genre in many areas.
As for a new wheel, maybe it’s a good time to take a look at entering the direct drive universe with something like the Fanatec CSL DD, a direct drive wheel at a more affordable price point, not too far outside the cost of the older technology belt-driven wheels.
@sp1878 Yes but he doesn’t even like Forza. I think getting a direct drive wheel will help him create more interesting content than if he gets another Logitech or something from Thrustmaster. It is overkill for some of the more casual games but a more basic wheel for $200-$300 probably is too, and now he can dive much deeper in the more realistic sims and even the Codemaster F1 series.
TDU had a leg up on everything except the actual racing, car handling was a bit shit tbh
Very much appreciate your take. I made the mistake of buying Forza Horizon 4 on discount with all the "VIP and DLC bullshit (it was bundled together for pennies) and it showered me with these idiotic triple wheelspins that gave you tons and tons of cars, doubled all the money gained. Basically no sense of achievment at all, and I couldn't turn off the VIP 'pass' because they hadn't made the option. The entire sense of accomplishment and progression was gone, the game just became a big map to drive your infinite cars on until you got bored. I'm just not the target audience of these infinite reward mechanics, I guess. I like to earn the cars, spend time tuning them, picking them out, panting them and so on, but it's hard to make a car feel special or unique when I'll earn 3 Super Wheelspins and get 5 more cars and 800 000 CR in the span of 10 seconds. Game's good for a bit of fun, but misses the 'glue', the incentive, the long term draw.
its not really a game about progression. It's just about racing how you want to race. It would be nice if it had more of a linear campaign though so I totally get what you mean. That being said, you can pick this game up when you just want a race or some whacky ruleset and its great.
The game is for obsessive completionists like myself.
I got every car in FH4, i made sure to log in every week to knock out the weekly challenges to get this weeks new car and so on, it always gave me an excuse to log back in and drive some more, without turning the game into a grind fest that felt like a 2nd job like what so many other games do.
Of course i'm also tuning and painting cars and those get marked as Favorite so i can select them more easily.
If you play competitively you will want one car in each class for each discipline and figure out which one is the best at the job, that is a never ending challenge.
I don't even enjoy the stupid S2 Class Hyper Cars, they are too fast for anything that isn't the Highway.
I've been playing these games since Forza Motorsport 2, i have no interest anymore in starting from scratch with that Honda Civic and "slooowly working my way up", if anything i want to take my credits and the content of my garage from the last game with me into the next game so i DON'T have to start over every god damn time.
A great analysis.. Thankyou
I agree. The massive wall of circuit races in fm 1-4 was crazy fun. So much to do and it was so rewarding because you had to earn it. The winnings increase with difficulty settings, raceline, transmission, etc. And you could play how you wanted. It was always a blast to start with something simple like an mx5 miata or 2dr impreza and tune it to see how far you could compete with increasingly difficult vehicles as opponents. Or you could wait just long enough to earn the next class vehicle you wanted and make your way up the power train. Those were good days lol
@@tehf00n Yeah, I totally agree. For this reason it narrowly misses me as the target audience - I see why it is the way it is. Also, the campaign is a cool idea, I'd love that sort of game mode - where you're only restricted to earning money through races, not wheelspins, for example.
I fucking HATE the roulette spin gambling mechanic even if it's 100% Free why should I be spinning a roulette for Goddamn cars?! Why can't they give you money from races and then you buy them at the dealerships like...you know...a CAR GAME?!
I play this for the racing aspect & ability to cruise the map friends, i tend to ignore the 'characters', Upgraded to a t300rs gt when my g29 broke, feels amazing
This, I just skip all the unnecessary shit and barely see any characters at all.
I played Forza Horizon 4, I wanted a Test Drive: Unlimited style game in my life again. I agree with both reviews, you don't earn anything. It's all just thrown at you, there's so much to do... I can't be arsed. The only two redeeming features are the customisation, engine swaps and 4WD conversions are awesome (but too easy since money is no object an hour into the game) and the community gave me the TDU vibes. Not worth the price though since I got bored far too quickly. Plus winter was shite!
I miss Test Drive Unlimited, I miss Hardcore steering mode, I miss really earning cars, I miss doing 300MPH in a McLaren F1 GTR Longtail by drafting another F1 GTR, I miss the community who would cruise/drift around the Oahu all day long, I miss doing that with Dev's. I don't miss the old school RPG repetition along the way, TDU 2 had a much better "story". Can't wait for Solar Crown, I'd be horrified if they copied Forza Horizon though.
I'd rather have this any day over a game where the cars feel like paper weights sliding on ice and you have to grind for anything. Nothing is stopping you from just picking a dozen or so of ypur favourite cars and replicating the TDU experience, you can literally ignore everything else. That's one of the freedoms of horizon
Ah those glorious last few seconds of the review!
Love your stuff mack, keep it up man, I might not always agree but I appreciate another perspective!
Your license plate at 0:32 hahaha, I see what you did there xD. Let's go!
“Welcome back, Brandon” I see what you did there Mack 😂
" "your ultimate Horizon experience starts here" I'll probably see that next year" 😂 😂 😂
@4:40
Brilliant, I literally quit the game & uninstalled the first time I saw one of those npc cutscenes. I thought I might just be getting too old for this hobby, but IMO car racing & car collecting requires certain "stylishness" & elegance - not reality TV level ultra cringe with the level of insufferable turned up to its highest notch. I mean who is this even aimed at? Who behaves like that?
I just can't.
I know right. Im not even bother gonna try forza 5 now 🤮🤢
Great review as always!
About the steering wheel, it sounds like it may need a new vibration motor, repair could also be an option!
“Welcome back, Brandon”. Love it.
ye I don't even know why I even imagined having a proper career mode in forza.. probably just not able to find any racing game that has it in years
@Mr Miyagi Recent ones no, you still get exotics and race cars quite quickly and the "career" is just thrown together groups of car championships
I think the open ended progression of Forza is better than a linear campaign...
Personally I prefer many cars to drive with different tunes and class builds. My choice instead of the game saying you can't use that car anymore, here pick from 1 of these higher level cars until we make you change again. I love cars and the fun in tweaking tunes in different classes. That's what this game is about
Hi Mac There are so many wheels to choose from, however the thrust master T248 is a hybrid of direct drive belts and motor pulleys to provide force feedback;.. the T248 is probably the only wheel in its price range to use a belt in its design.. I'm not a serious race Sim player but this wheel feels amazing. Force feedback is powerful and responsive.
I always come to you for driving game reviews, especially forza, because you always take the time to give an honest breakdown of the wheel and pedal support. Honestly I think it's great that controller support is as good as it is right across the board these days, but it really pisses me off when those of us who invest normally triple figures in a wheel and pedal set up - specifically because we really like driving games - aren't even offered a parallel experience with controller users by the developers. Turn 10/playground studios have been massively guilty of this with both the mainline forza motorsport and forza horizon games, but mainstream media outlets let them off Scott free without so much as a passing mention (before I watched your review, I did a word search through the eurogamer and pc gamer reviews - they don't mention wheel support once!). So thank you mack, even with a knackered wheel you still gave it the time of day, and I really appreciate it!
It does work great with the wheel and pedals but not out of the box, I had to tweak loads of advanced wheel settings to get mine right, once I did that I unplugged it to get FFB working and that was the end of my wheel :(
@@WorthABuyreviews Ah okay, good to know - I spent months trying to tweak Forza 7 and I never got it right (I only stuck with it b/c to this day it's the only game that has my actual car, the 2017 civic!) Speaking of wheels tho, Logitech G29 is what I've been using for a couple of years, absolutely love it and they're really reasonably priced! H pattern shifter is about £30 extra but well worth it
"Let's wait for Solar Crown for that"
This sentence won't age well
In the later patches they rather killed the game by making it more grindy, so people would play more multiplayer ...
They also pretty much got rid of proper force feedback for some reason and had some generic one.
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I have hope for the new TDU, but not much. Besides: it's current year. Not expecting any western game to be good these days.
Solar Crown, on KT engine. Yeah, drop those hopes. It won't come close to Forza!
@@martsum398 Whats the problem with "Solar Crown" you mentioned it like it's a problem, for the KT engine fine I have my doubts as well
Being an 80s gamer I really appreciate the quality and variety of games coming out now , to think I used to play on a zx spectrum and commodore Amiga , what a time to be alive ✊✊
Refreshing perspective. I feel like as gamers we get so mired down with gaming fails (myself included) we forget to appreciate the advancements
@@mgiebus1869 There's alot of bullshit and bad games being pumped out but the best thing is how much choice and variety of genres and decades of gaming we can play!
Great review as always!
If you're looking for a new wheel I honestly can't recommend the fanatec ecosystem of parts highly enough, ever since I upgraded to that there's just no going back for me now.
Hope you find something you like, keep up the awesome work
Just played this on gamepass. Couldn't stomach even 2 hours of it. Had to come here to see Mack's opinion. The title says it all.
I love it when you drift off the actual review, cause I know the shit is gonna be a good laugh!
You can loose every race and still win in any modern arcade game like this.
Bro playing midnight club 3 and la recently made me realise just how forgiving modern arcade racers are like in those games if you keep losing you ain't getting anything besides a small amount of money and won't progress at all
@@shawklan27 I really miss midnight club la, hex editing the cars to make them -9 always was life back in the day
@@Brother-Crow if you own a one or a series console you can still buy la off the digital store but I wish that it was 3 because I find that game to be the better made product
only played this game because it was on game pass, shite is an understatement, pick an avatar from some preset crap ones, then proceed to watch them fist bump the crowd for driving through a cactus field like a right loser, and the unskipable cut scenes of utter cringe, i just wanna race cars, dont try and add some crap cringe story to it.
i mean the intro with cars flying out of planes... jeez utter tripe.
The noise of your steering wheel had me in actual pain
The words... the words... 😍
Finally an honest review the cringe is so painful to watch in this game honestly.
Ha...the car survived flying off the cliff! 😆
I love the CC on here. First five seconds: Is it worth a bye?
The racing and time trialing are what makes this game great. The physics are OTT but they are extremely well done and make sense in this world. Ignore all the insipid cringe, nonsense and you have the very best arcade racer.
I think the point with all the cars is more about extreme choice and the challenge of completing the collection, like footy stickers… more fun that just having 1 after a massive grind IMO.
"Ignore all the insipid cringe, nonsense and you have the very best arcade racer." Are you sure about that? Burnout 3 and Burnout Paradise want a word with you. Mostly Burnout 3.
As to Mac, I think you'd be much more satisfied with the actually professional Forza Motorsport series. I just ignore the Forza Horizon series altogether.
One does not simply ignore the cringe. That's my biggest problem with Horizon 3 atm. I can't even bring myself to play it anymore, because I'm being PESTERED by these annoying assholes all the time via radio, cutscenes, etc.
Everything just fucking takes forever. Just want to switch car? Well, go back to the festival, watch a 30 second cutscene, select new car, or buy new car, watch more cutscenes, leave festival, watch another 30 second cutscene. Hyperbole, I know, but I just wish, I could just ... ignore all the cunts in that game. I have no interest in 4 or 5 even. And the races in 3 aren't even that fun... from what I've seen 4 and 5 are exactly like 3, just shinier and with a different landscape.
@@arnox4554 Burnout 3 had an awful announcer
@@wildonionchase3934 Eh, he could get annoying but you could turn him off pretty much right away and never have to hear him again, so I don't count it against the game.
Aside from forced events, I never do any racing or time trials or any form of event in these games. I purely free drive with no HUD + wheel, pedals, shifter. Awesome fun.
What Mac is saying is true, I remember the 2000's need for speed.
The 2000's NFS up to Underground 2 you mean.... Many people call Most Wanted their favourite NFS, but DAMN, did it age horribly, extra grindy, extra repetitive, car tuning is way dumbed down from U. 2, but what kills it completely is the ketchup, the amount of damn KETCHUP poured on it is downright ridiculous (that's what rubberbanding is called in the game). From Pro Street on (2007) I don't remember much of the games, but I know there's a good reason for that (all NFS games are meh from there on).
@@bosshunterman thats correct. Up to underground 2.
we all just want another need for speed underground where everyones driving around in modded old fiestas and civics
The way Forza just throws cars at you with zero sense of progression or anything to work towards is why I only played a couple of hours of 4 & have no plans to return to it. Was fun for a bit but no drive to return to it at all due to the ridiculous overload of cars
Are we talking horizon 4 or motorsport 4? The old 360 motorsports are goat worthy
4:40 Let's go Brandon!
Yeah when you don't really have to earn your cars or unlockables, that does take away the excitement, the feeling that you worked for what you got. This game looks more casual for sure, it looks like a game you could just chill and shut off your brain for a bit. Those type of games do have a place, and can be enjoyable.
Mack:
Neighborhood: Earthquake!
Forza Horizon 5: A "new" game with no new content apart from a map and a couple of cars and a shitload of bugs. This franchise at risk of becoming the FIFA of driving games.
As i suspected, same as 4, no incentive to even win a race. In a racing game. LOL. Sorry but I need more than pretty graphics.
Frist of all: the " I would think its great if I didn't play TDU2" was absolutely beautiful....also it means I'm old af...
Second: DAMN didn't even know a new TDU was in the works, thanks for letting me know, hopefully it will be half as good as 2...considering today's games.
Can’t wait for TDU 3 Solar Crown!!
@@samwyzegg7935 duuude I know right? Tdu2 is the only car game that I've played multiple times because it's so fucking good. And it's the reason I got a wheel too hah.
@@WhyAreYouGhe Can you still play it? I'd love to give it another go. I think last time I tried it gave me server errors or the wrong NAT type or something.
@@samwyzegg7935 Its been so long, like 2 3 year since i played last. But yeah I remember there was smth wrong with it, but I'm pretty sure the pirated version will work, I think that's what I used to avoid the problem.
TD wasn't even better than horizon 3, stop it
Mack, I would look at the Fanatec CSL DD for a good wheel that won't break the bank, yet it'll be night and day better than your previous. Do you play racing/driving sims much though, or is it something you just like to pick up from time to time ?
Great review as always, and it's assured me my days of Forza are indeed over.
the kids these days would have a mental breakdown playing the first Gran Turismo or any of the ps1 games but yeah I wouldn't take that deal myself to be 20 again.
I went back to gt1 recently, those licenses would reduce grown men to tears today...they rage on cod how would they handle the A licenses
@@benwilliams4377 Damn the A license is easy compared to the international ones but yeah they wouldn't get past the B license if they were journalists.
You are not alone Mack. Been watching for years but never vocalized myself. Im TIRED of it. They are dumbing down the younger generations with this. They KNOW what they are doing. Gaming hit a peak in 2000, after that it dwindled slowly. Gaming has become mainstream and that is what destroyed it. Its gonna get worse but THANK God for the classics. They will never die and have eternity in replayability AKA Half Life for example.
@@TheEFedsAreComin Does Thief have RPG elements??
Loving the brandon number plate! Lets go brandon!
If i recall correctly wheels are actually at a disadvantage because you can understeer with a wheel, but not with a controller. At least that was the case in Horizon 4.
When a game does not want to start and I get told to uninstall about 5 different software, including anti-virus I automatically press Uninstall.
this game is getting 9s and 10s ign gave this a 10 masterpiece haha masterpiece of cringe more like it
This game rewards you for participating, even if you fail miserably. It's perfect for game "journalists".
Can't take IGN seriously 😂
I agree with everything you said, but can't help feel you actually reviewing much of the game. Was more just a rant than a review. Whats multiplayer like? Sample of events you can do? etc would have been helpful Mack!
Multiplayer hardly works, I got kicked 20x tonight so did my friend.. Servers are absolutely terrible.
"Getting the buggati should take weeks" LOL. I played nfs, the crew every other game and it never took me longer than a day max two if I haven't played a lot
ofc I was exaggerating lol
What earing aid did you select when you chose one of the brown chacters?
I feel like they could have just released the map as a DLC for horizon 4. Hopefully their next game evolves, more customization, no cringe dances/outfits/story and an actual PROGRESSION. I guess forza just isn't for me.
The lack of progression and feeling connected to a car you earned keeps me away from games like this one.
? Lmao
@@gamesmaster1060 They just hand you random cars each race right?
@@807D14M0ND5 you have a chance to get a car from a wheel spin, as far as I'm aware you don't get cars from normal races, I think you do on some story missions, but this game isn't meant to be a serious build up your car empire game, it's meant to be a fun open arcade racing game where you can just have fun racing, tuning cars and shit
Mac you are great and highly entertaining! I agree with you the vast majority of the time on reviews and really appreciate your perspective on games!
Nice, I was looking forward to this review.
So it still can't catch up to TDU2. Shame.
I love driving games.. Dirt, Assetto corsa. These games make me puke.. Awful shite
Your partner called. She wants to borrow your wheel again.
Kangaroos in Mexico, pure immersion.
Forza Horizon is such a hard game to fully appreciate. Surely there is a lot of game for your buck, and so much to do, but the game just feels too bloated. For me, the game works as a showcase for what my XSX is capable of, graphics wise. And thats it. Playing the game gets shallow quite early on. You will be asking yourself, what is the point of going on. The first time I drove the Goliath Event, which was actually just a couple of hours in, I felt that I had seen all to be seen. From that point on it would just be endless, repeat able events. There is a feel-good atmosphere, and works alright for a casual gaming session for an hour or so, but never really got immersed. Everything comes so easy to you in the game.
Is it possible to skip the 1st few hours of story cringe and just go cruising in the open world?
Planning to get this but the tik tok cringe has me worried that it would be a very shallow experience, saved only by the gfx.
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke you are forced to play the mandatory Michael Bay-esque intro for the game, about 15-20 minutes. Then you can go open-world and cruise around. If you played the previous FH titles, there will be absolutely no suprises here. Same old stale formula.
@@lit524 Thanks.
Never played any previous FH games but was in the mood for open world cruising so was looking at this one.
If it's only around 20 mins of bs cringe, it just might do it for me.
Can you turn off the irritating commentators and have a clean hud so one can cruise and just take in the scenes rather than be forced to endure their 'forced enthusiasm'?
Thank you, Brandon!
Where's the second Call of Video!?
My body is ready !!