No Start, No Crank - Suspected Bad ECM - [Auction Truck]
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2023
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Testing for a 5v reference shows us once again how valuable this test is for direction!
This is a condensed version of an SD Premium case study that we released to our members a few weeks again and the parallels on this truck are uncanny to my 09 Silverado.
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Here is the missing footage! czcams.com/video/CieIPtiiW3Q/video.htmlsi=NTkZ9M-WEa6dQ9Pk I'm so sorry this got cut out by accident in our condensed version of this case study
“There’s four keys here and they all turn it” typical Chevrolet 😂
My key comes out while running. 😅
My key can come out with the truck running. 2000 Silverado 313k miles
@justinballard7242 same, in my gas 2500 i can start it and take out the key. And drive and all.
Testing for a 5v reference shows us once again how valuable this test is for direction!
This is a condensed version of an SD Premium case study that we released to our members a few weeks ago. www.scannerdanner.com/join-scannerdanner-premium.html
To add a key manually for GM keyed ignition you just have to:
1) Turn ignition to run with working key
2) Turn ignition to off and remove key
3) Insert new key to be programmed and turn to run position
I believe previously learned keys can be relearned.
So you may have been learning those previously unlearned keys back to the vehicle.
I was going to comment that he probably programmed the remaining keys
Came here for this comment 100% true
Don't these trucks start but die with an unprogrammed key ?
Works for many gm vehicles with keys😊
You have a great relationship with your son and it makes these videos all that much more fun to watch. Nicely done Dad.
thank you!
Another great video Paul. GM and fuses unbelievable 😂. You taught us great fundamentals over the years. The blueprint to success. Thank you!
Thank you my friend. Blueprint is all we need right? I don't have all the answers but I certainly have the fundamentals for someone to learn from so they can then take off from there. Appreciate your comment
The fuses were corroded because that fuse block cover was left off and got wet. You can tell my looking at the top of the fuse block. Very common especially since the covers on those years of trucks have to positioned properly to get them to snap into position on both sides.
I really screwed up on posting this condensed version here on YT (its 27 minutes long on my website). We accidentally cut out some key pieces of info. And I'm hearing this from many of you, because you believe the starter solenoid was what was making that clicking noise. It wasn’t! And i showed all of the control side tests of the starter relay and we were missing control from the ECM because of the immobilizer issue, but its not there! Holy crap, what a huge mistake! Im so sorry to those of you questioning things and im like, oh yeah, didnt you see me do that test? Meanwhile, no, you havent. 😢😢
Should i have Caleb rework this so you can see it? Damn
EDIT:
I'll put the full 27 minute video up on here soon. I'm so sorry again. You'll understand why when you see it.
Don't worry about it! I didn't even question it because you say right at the start. It was just being done quick and dirty to help out someone you know.
Got it running with all 4 keys = Done
Plus, a great laugh at a glitch in the matrix = almost identical failures so close together.
P.S. I really like his tattoo.
I think people can just go pay $11 a month and see the full video and all of your other great content!
@@frugalprepper they can, but I can't leave out a key piece of info and then act like people should know it was never a starter issue too. One poor guy I was like "did you comment before watching the full video".
It really changed the dynamics of the entire thing. And my reply to that guy was super douchie with that missing data!
Thanks though man. It really means a lot.
This is good. I was working on a VW Jetta yesterday which had an intermittent no start. Checked codes and found reference voltage b voltage open. Checked fuses, found one that was broken but bridged with a wire. Changed it and the car hasn't given the client any problem. I learnt the test procedure from you. Great work
awesome! 5v ref circuit test for the win again! Thanks for sharing
I bought your book and watched your videos. The fundamentals of testing process and thought procedures that I have learnt have taken away the doubt when I diagnose faults.
I helped a very experienced mechanic (At least 25 years in the trade) who had a performance issue with a 1980's Lancia. He had spent nearly 2 weeks of his spare time swapping parts with no results. It took me around half an hour to find the issue and 15 minutes of that was setting up the scope and PC. My ability to solve this came form your teachings.
Funny thing is, the chap still refuses to use these techniques that he witnessed .
Keep doing what you do do.
that's so awesome man. Pinning this comment
@@ScannerDanner Your welcome. Further info, It was the distributor pickup that would give out a messy signal around 2,700 rpm.
The scope confirmed it but the clue came from the Rev Counter which would suddenly start acting up at 2,700 rpm. Guess where the Rev counter got it's signal from.
Credit to you for being such a great teacher.
@@Byzmax nice!
Awesome video. I became a huge scope enthusiast because of your videos. I work in emergency power generation and scopes have made me really enjoy my profession. In industrial generation equipment we do not have the best scan tools. Over the past few years I have purchased almost every scope and scan tool available ( sometimes doubles ) because I enjoy using them. I would of never thought a tool could restore the passion I have had for diagnostics. Thanks to you I have found joy in and out of work.
That is truly awesome! Thank you so much for this comment
I took a fifteen year break from the trade to open a comic book store and raise my kids in it. I sold it a couple of years ago and now my sons want to open a repair shop with me. I'm glad to see that after so many years, the basics are still the basics and fundamentals are mostly the same.
That 5v reff truck has saved my ass as a marine mechanic love how much I can apply auto theory and what I find on your channel to the marine field comes it hand so much lol
That's so awesome man. I hear from many different trades! So cool to see how it all applies
@@ScannerDanner it awesome to still learn diff tricks years after schooling I always watch your stuff to keep concepts and theory in my head fresh. Always look forward to a new video coming out
I'm becoming a Professional Auto Electrician because of your videos, Thanks Forever❤❤
What I have learned as a tech is that trouble comes in threes, prepare for another GM fusebox failure within the next couple weeks. Great video as always.
I love the on-site diagnostic videos !! Great job Paul and Caleb!!
-Keith here. I just want to take a moment to shout out to Paul for taking the time to defend me to the keyboard warriors quick to comment on things they do not know. Scanner Danner is a fantastic teacher and I learned so much in his class. My need for his expertise and assistance is NOT a reflection of his teachings or abilities. I have been out of the field many years and electrical diag takes years to build a strong fundamental understanding. Whatever opinions some have, I respect and take criticism where given. But I do not want people to have the impression that I didn't take anything away from his class or what have you. Paul is an amazing teacher, a great friend, and one of the best men I know. Love you brother, thanks again for everything!!
Love you too man. Appreciate you commenting here. It was my hopes that you wouldn't even know about these comments. I should have thought about how this would be perceived by some, and then added comments about your path, but I really didn't think about it.
People love to assume things and state their opinions 🙄
great video, great camera work showing scanner data, was so clear to see, good job Caleb
Caleb is the man! Thank you!
I find that things seem to happen in threes. I won't see a clutch job forever then I see several in a row. Keep up the good work 😃
I love how energetic he is about this stuff I need friend like that
I agree, the 5V reference test is probably one of the easiest and fastest to get a roadmap in your head. Live and learn! 😀
(Might want to get a bunch of those fuse boxes at the Junk yard and open a fuse box repair business.)
Always a good Saturday or Sunday when Paul uploads. My mom has been on your forum for years
that's awesome, thank you!
Love the smiles on you guys's face.
No way! Not again!😂😂 another great video Paul. 5v ref test is the best start point for diag direction.
it really is!!
Always a humble repair. Great lessons here in this new video.
Awesome video.
Great job👍👍
Great video Paul and Caleb. Another GM fuse box bites the dust, you have to love the corrosion here in the rust belt. God Bless.
Mister you are my best teacher. You teach me a lot of things
another well done job danner!!
Believe it or not I had a fuse disintegrate like that on my tractor, now it’s the first thing I look for. Can’t ask for a unhappy better ending to an auction purchase! Nice work Paul!
Caleb/Paul,
Great video, diag, and fix - thank you!
Paul (in MA)
I've liked the relationship between you guys in the video. Keep up the spirit with your students.
Always learn something from you!
Paul, your videos are the best... I always enjoy watching 👍👍👍
Glad you like them! Thank you!
That was educational.. thanks from Vietnam
Excellent lesson ! It shows the immense benefits that sticking to a methodological troubleshooting process provides . Follow the evidence -starting with the simple remedies ; and , if needed , go onto to more complex . That 5 V check is terrific !
thank you so much! Great compliment
Another job well done
Excellent, it reminds me of the passlock system. 👌
Mr Danner is awesome
Mr scanner daner that was your charm. That made the car run
Awesome video man thank you thank you for for helping him out. You’re a very good friend.
Hello from Finland. In time frame 8:28, Ignition must be on before to start engine. That's why the car didn't start, because you only controlled the starter motor. Your videos are very interesting and instructive.
Danner always gives you the impression he is still suprised by certain vehicle foibles rather than "Oh I Knew That Or This Etc Already) always learning top honest no BS great character kinda guy
It's different for me these days as I literally don't touch any cars off camera! So the volume isn't there like it used to be, for me to be able to say those kinds of things. So I am genuinely seeing things for the first time these days! 😄
Thank you very much for your words. It means a lot. Great start to my day!
Been waiting for some new material. Excellent thanks
there is always new material on my website 😉 540 videos and counting
A teacher like you is worth it....
and gaining a friend like Keith is even better!
Bless I'm glad you did a favor for a friend because you did a favor for your subscribers.
Thanks 😊
Thank you! I heard "auction" and that it was an hour from my house and my frist thoughts were "heck no" lol
Glad I did. And I couldn't day no to Keith! He is a super close friend these days. Not just a former student
Thnak you so much for another great video
Well said!!
Lol😂 same exact as your truck so funny I'm grateful I can enjoy these on premium and you tube when I drive my hour to work! Thanks Paul for the extra lol. Your boy Bill in Columbus Ohio
Thank you Bill!
Nice video. Got an early 2000s park avenue at the shop with some similar stuff going on. No crank/ no start. Found a rodent chewed wire under underhood fuse block that was control for ignition 1 relay. Missed it the first time because like a dummy i didnt load the circuit. Still not cranking but we will get it there! 10 years in the field and been watching before then and always learn something. Thanks
Once again win for the Danner
Ihave pulled and placed all fuses on a few troublesome and ill be dammed it workes. F350 and MB are the latest that worked... :) Thank you for showing.
Great job Paul
Paul,you help a young boy .perfect 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻.😊
Being from Quebec where rust and corrosion is a major issue, I recognize the sound the starter was doing. It was stuck. The multiple attempts to crank finally freed it up. Very common issue here on vehicles that are parked for a while including stuck alternators (specially on fords and jeeps).
That starter was not being energized by the ECM
The clicking we heard was an aftermarket solenoid for a plow or spreader or PTO
@@ScannerDanner Ah, I see, sounded like a bendix poking out but not turning on youtube.
@@1202Sid I'm so sorry, I cut a piece out of this video that covers this! It's missing! I'm so sorry. Updating soon with the full 27 minute video.
That was a nice diag Paul!
nice video!!
Great job, but once again you followed the whole diagnostic process and in doing that it does not matter who the manufacturer is. Thanks for another great video.
Funny and educational at the same time
👍 thanks for sharing
Remember that video Eric did on that black Silverado. Where the 2amp fuse was blown. He replaced fuse. With the key on, still no crank no start. But shut the key off and back on. The truck fired up. Needed a fuse box. Great job
Really Cool, Thanks for sharing SD👍🏻
Very interesting, these fuse boxes just go bad very easily not a good design😇
Special Thanks to Caleb Danner😎
Stay Blessed Guy's❤️
Good Job Danner!! Now we need a follow-up video on why the design of the fuse box sucks. So many corrosion problems with vehicles in the Rust belt for example even before this kind of stupid stuff.
I just received the book that i purchase from you Paul and im excited to up my knowledge by your help,you are a gift my friend thank you from Canada.
Thank you so much Michael! Really appreciate the support and I know you will benefit too.
@@ScannerDanner for sure it already benefit me reading your book for just 10min about O2 sensors and it gave me a good understanding of the sensors that I'm currently diagnosing for 2007 Honda fit, so excited for this thanks again Paul.
@@michaelbuenvenida8473 I have a recent video on a Honda wideband in this year range czcams.com/video/CPsvgbCOdvo/video.html
Check it out, this will really help you with the foundation you'll have from chapters 4 and 5 (oxygen sensors and oxygen sensor testing). The widebands are a bit different, same stuff with the heater, but no real manual signal circuit tests as they operate in a 4 milliamp range between full rich and full lean. All scan tool tests once you've confirmed heater operation. You'll like this video!
@@ScannerDanner thank you so much I will surely watch this video's🙏
Awesome
Experience diagnosis master nice video mui bueno master
Your the boss 🎉
Frame 6:28 love it!!!
Dam u good
“You calling in the wolf?!!” 👊 (pulp fiction)
Nice
Paul Idk if you’ve ever pulled apart any GM fuse boxes after replacing them. They use a scotch lock type connection with a single wire pierce between two blades to connect the shared power sources together. Pretty Mickey Mouse imo.
You performed the theft deterrent 😊relearn by using the non programmed keys within 10 seconds of using a good key.
This was really funny😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂theres four different keys and they all crank it😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I warned you on yours Paul. This is the path yours is heading down. 😂😂😂
You guys are so damn. Cool 👍🏋️♀️🙏🤗
Paul, another great video. The symptoms that you were receiving is a combination between a very corroded fuse box and likely the cables or starter. Reason why I state that is because in those years the pats system was in the key unlike the earlier years when they were in the column.
Another words, when you were first cranking it. The starter was hung up very likely to corrosion.
Because the ECM was not communicating with the BCM it threw a code for the transponder system. It was simply by pure luck as you crank it over with multiple keys finally made contact with the starter. That’s my humble opinion from 3000 miles away.
I would replace fuse box (very common problem) and check the connections to the starter system for corrosion. Ron
did you comment before watching the rest? It definitely was not a starter cable or battery issue in any way. The clicking we were hearing was not from the starting system but some aftermarket accessory
EDIT: your comment was perfect. I'm so sorry, this video is missing some key stuff that got cut. Updating this soon
EDIT AGAIN:
Man what a douchebag comment this was by me!!. I read the first part and commented and didn't read the rest. And it was all completely my fault. I'm so sorry man. And this was an awesome compliment. Completely embarrassed is not even close to how I feel right now
@@ScannerDanner I am so very sorry buddy. I was NOT intending to correct you by any means. Perhaps I didn't hear you mention any aftermarket parts. I did watch the whole video. My grand kids were running around when I was watching. I very likely didn't hear you say anything about aftermarket accessories. I do remember you had questioned the security system. seeing you try all the keys and all of a sudden the last one worked for you with the white tag. You are amazing to watch. The way you handle issues and being very down to earth about things is great.
Ever sense I started watching your videos I have shared it with everyone I know. Truth be told Eric O is the one that referred me to your channel. Again. I will watch it again. I am truly sorry. Ron
@@ronhannink1968 no man, I'm sorry too, I didn't mean that to sound that way. It's all good! I was missing control side power on that starter relay right? I'm pretty sure I was. And then I cranked the engine over by jumping the load side contacts with that tool. I'm sorry it's been awhile, but I'm pretty sure that's how it went
Dude! I screwed up big time in the edits on this one. We ran this video on my website and it's 27 minutes long and we condensed it for here and we cut out the parts I'm mentioning to you! So I have you to thank for pointing out this error!!! I'm going to run the full length one here too. There's no other way yo fix this goof now.
I'm getting a lot of these comments and it didn't click until yours and I just went back to watch and it's not there!! Smh, I really messed up man. I'll make it right for you guys and bring that video over from my website
@@ScannerDanner I appreciate it. No worries my man. I didn't want to offend you. I look forward to watching the whole video.
However, here is a perfect example how we are simply human. You very much rock. I am very interested in joining your premium channel.
Now that Ive watched this video I bet I run into one just like it in the next month LOL
Haha that's the way it goes right?
Always save the old PCM and etc if feasible.
Sometimes you may need it if you have to write those codes to another module!
Wooo cool 😎 👌 👍 bud
So a fuse repair and a key learn that happened from cycling the known good key then the others that had been cut for it and not programmed.
That was a good deal at the auction! Scanner Danner is on it!
Hey Paul i got an envoy denali with the same issue and opened the fuse box and one of the copper tracks was unsoldered from fatigue
I work on auction cars and wrecked cars, fix them and sell em! Ive ran into some wild stuff with them! Some simple some absolute head scratchers
Paul , we from stupid governed countries thank you and thank million times for the info
MBS moshitoa 🇿🇦
Great video, Thanks for sharing! I think you only had 1 key programmed, and the way you add more keys to this type of system is to cycle the working key and then cycle all the keys you want to program. I think you inadvertently programmed all the keys. 😀
I believe you are correct!
Loved it working on Sunday huh.
I can just imagine myself working on that truck,I will need a chair to stand on to reach the fuse box😂😂😂. Thanks thats very informative
My gm's are the same Era and the chip in the key is rfid, very short range.
Is there a semi truck version of you out there? We could really use the help.
I have a 2014 2500hd and had to replace my fuse box. ($600). I took the old one apart and found the pins that hold the fuses were pushed open to where it barely made contact. I just squeezed them back together and voila
It takes more than 1 minute and a door opening cycle to clear out the vats system and prevent the key from the registration m. I ve also had multiple keys on the samme keyring stil pickup the good working key even though the one in the ignition switch is not a good key
My 2016 at 23,000 miles needed a fuse box under warranty!
damn. Rust belt?
👏👏saeid from iran
hello from the US my friend! Don't believe everything you see on the news. I'm glad you are here with me!
Those theft codes means someone cleared all keys, once you restored power you programed the first key. Then when you tried all 4 keys in a row, you unknowingly added the 3 other keys. On GM you can reprogram existing keys back to the same module..
What's a big problem with this GM fuse box really?!!! I think they must fix this fuse box issue and corrosion issue too. Thanks for this video
very fine mist salt spray from the roadways gets in and corrodes everything, nobody ever cleans or maintains them. hose them down monthly with wd40, to where it's pouring out of the box bottom everywhere. that flushes the nasties out of everything, and keeps the corrosion at bay. you have to start doing that form new/replacement box though. the fuses are part to blame due to material composition. probably plated aluminum tabs....
great job again! BTW what tool are you using to crank the engine remotely?
It's called a uActivate and you can get it here. Thanks!
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Easiest auction vehicle ever. Even in the early days of automobiles you could jump the starter motor circuit and you would not get ignition. No surprise here.
Awesome video like always
Having a similar issue with no comm on a 07 gm 6.6
What scanner are you using here?
Topdon Phoenix Max thanks!
gm has a key learn procedure.
Great job finding ANOTHER corroded up GM fuse block!
Curious, what kind of scan tool were you using?
This was the Topdon Phoenix Max. Check out this missing footage czcams.com/video/CieIPtiiW3Q/video.html
Sometimes... It is just the fuse!
Hahaha right?
Often times the transceiver is only looking for the key for a few seconds. So the second time you tried the key on and immediately bypassed the fuse, may have something to do with it. Maybe not though. Not sure if it finds the key and just acknowledged it in definitely.
What scantool are you using that it shows the topology of the canbus network? Looks great
Topdon Pheonix Max