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Despite his soft spot for all things foldable, Linus didn’t think the HP Spectre 17" 3-in-1 OLED Touchscreen Foldable Laptop would be for him. He was wrong.
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I'm very amused by the fact that this review is so late that HP has just flat out discontinued the product
Fr?
Could be a sign that they are being genuinely cautious about details and facts after the drama.
At this point it's not about the product but its concept. At 5K it had no future anyway. The only reason they even sold it was because they had it.
I also wonder exactly what part of the user base of LTT would find this useful.
@@mcwolfbeast I absolutely would. My favorite portable/mobile setup was a Microsoft Surface Pro with a 60% low profile Keychron mech keyboard - its great for a digital nomad lifestyle. The larger screen on this fold would be a great replacement, however that absolutely outrageous price... Might as well just buy a USB external monitor for the Surface lmao
The price tag of 4999 usd is all that you need to know folks!
Wtf 🤣
Not 5000, sounds great!
AND that is without a dedicated GPU! 🤦♂
You're right! Saw this comment and completely tuned out. Thank you for saving me some time!
The real hero
Linus starts positively then slowly proceeds roast every aspect of the laptop and I'm all here for it ))
Here are my problems:
- As an owner of a foldable phone, I don't like to have the screen out and about because I see things for what they are: it's a thin, plastic film that is easy to damage just by running your fingernail across it. If ANYTHING falls anywhere on that massive screen, it's gone, and the way they're incorporated into the chassis makes them impossible to replace.
- It's a HP. Their approach to milking as much money out of you as possible with printers, and the infamous build quality of most of their laptops, just makes me want to steer clear of this thing.
- I can somewhat understand the cost, but it will only make it affordable to people who want it for its impressiveness, and not because they will actually make use of its capabilities. It's an expensive fashion statement, like a gold Rolex.
You said pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I avoid HP just because of the printer thing. Anti-consumerism is not something I support.
Their laptops are their only saving grace as a company. While as an IT professional I'm required to support the ubiquitous HP printers, I personally would never buy an HP printer, their laptops are quite a different thing entirely.
HP laptops are quite repairable in the enterprise sector and plenty of parts are available for reasonable prices. Even their consumer laptops far outshine Apple and Samsung in repairability.
Most parts can be found online from numerous places such as eBay and Amazon and merely a few screws away(depending on the model will determine if they are all matching or different sizes).
Their consumer printer ink gouging and anti-consumer practices are abhorrent for sure but there is no denying their reliability in the business sector.
aaach, he’s onto us!
@@kingzach74 Problem with making it quite repairable is that you get laptops that do not have a prolonged life span. As soon as that thing is out of warranty, you better start looking for a new laptop. Or if that laptop is given to you by a company, you ask for a replacement as soon as possible. That's what irks me. In my experience, I have always found Dell and Lenovo laptops to be pretty durable, even if they can be a tad bit expensive than a HP laptop and are harder to repair.
@@crimsonghoul8983 In my professional experience this does not seem to be true. At my work one of the things we do is refurbish older business laptops to resell. Currently we have stacks and stacks of HP elitebooks. I'm the guy repairing the broken ones. At 5-6 years old minimum we see around 1 broken one to 50 perfect order ones and even then about 70% of those defects are user inflicted, liquid, drops, broken ports etc. Compared to say the toshiba sattelite pro line we dealt with before where we had a close to 50% failure rate of just the keyboard ribbon cable connector. Easy fix sure but holy hell was that a boring few weeks just going through and fixing all those things.
At home I use a Dell laptop that I've had for ages but honestly, depending on product line of course, HP seems to be pretty damn good. Note that my experience is on a 5-6 year delay as you don't get laptops in for refurbishing or repair much sooner than that if they're in any way durable.
Finally a Linus sized laptop
damn
💀💀💀
A laptop sized Linus you mean😂
ah yes, "a linus sized laptop"
@@memorimusic420 I know what I said /s
Linus: what's there not to love?
Me: The HP Hinge
Saw this one coming from a mile away 😂😂😂
HP a.k.a Hinge Problems
there's no way Linus would mention something like that. you can only expect the greatest technician that's ever lived for that matter.
amen. they are the worst.
@@malikhaidar I knew someone would make that reference
I was not prepared for the bajoran earring comparison 😂
A great Star Trek reference man, one reason I will always come back
Left a like after the Bajoran earring reference 🤣
7:15 'Know difference between hard R'
Incredible LMAO
XD
That _is_ good.
Pretty good
changed
Okay, shame on me but maybe it's because I'm not native english speaker but I didn't catch the joke.
I want some funny too, can someone explain to me please ?
8:50 I'm daily driving an HP Pavilion notebook, can confirm this, just look at it wrongly, and it will start to spin up it's fans, which are noisy even in their lowest speed
excellent video. my highlight was learning that Linus also is 37. No wonder I can relate to all his nostalgic hardware and gaming anecdotes.
Great video on the knitted turtle. He really is cutest boi. The guy talking about a HP non-Z-series device with a price tag of $5k on the background gave it a different feel.
HP Website already says Product is out of stock and product has been discontinued. - 05/2/2024 - video post 16 min ago.
Lmaaaao
Fr?
Wow :D
tbf they probably recorded this like a month ago
The Anit Mkbhd effect. While this product does obviously have issue, you can see the considerations Hp engineers did to overcome them.
This is what a first gen product is. While it does have many lows, the highs are worth supporting it
A 30 year old Star Trek reference? Wow. I thought the writing staff was younger than that, good work.
Ye I was shocked too but I love how that stuff is still around. 😊
Considering the likely nerdiness in the writing staff, I'd be more impressed with a reference to Grace Under Fire.
DS9 streams 24x7 on Pluto, enlightening all generations about the struggles of the Dominion War.
it’s also a great heads up for us younger Trekkies
i now respect linus more
Gotta take your word for it on getting used to the crease, because in this video it looked incredibly noticeable and I think It'd drive me insane. It's a shame because apart from that, I'm really impressed with how good it looks to be able to whip out a 17 inch 4:3 monitor from such a small form factor.
sidebar...
YOOOO my boy Linus lookin dap as hell. Nice cut bro!
"Bajoran earring." I see what you did, there, nerdy script-writer.
I was wondering if anyone else caught that...glad I'm not the only one *nerdy high five* lol
@@microbuilder I caught that one and had a good chortle!
That script writer has clearly walked in the path of the Prophets
could you explain the joke?
@@ZamblesThe Bajorans are a race in Star Trek Deep Space Nine, and aside from their ridged noses their most obvious physical identifier is the earring they wear on one ear. It attached to the top and the lobe of the ear, connected with a dangly chain. Much like the cable connects to the top and the base-attached keyboard on this jammy.
7:12 "KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HARD R"
LMAO this caught me so off guard
Edit: oops got time wrong
Did it change? It says buy more stonks.
@@satratic127 no... 7:12
@@mental-asylum-core ah didnt catch that.
I was not expectin it either lol
Pissed me off.
Hello fellow kids, I too realize that racism jokes are the new in-thing with young boys!
11:12 - I am still using my Samsung Galaxy X Flip3 as my daily driver phone - still no issues apart from needing to replace the screen protector every 18 months! I now use a MATTE screen protector, so much better than a regular looking screen. But the fold ability into my pocket is my main game changer, always was! Including it minor flaw of a crease that you get used to in a DAY.......the positives FAR outweigh the negatives! It can be a minimalist phone and still be a regular glass brick phone. The smaller real estate in your pocket is the best!! Plus using its outside screen along with the fingerprint scanner without opening the phone (to access bluetooth access etc for Spotify and such) in your car or whatnot is a neat thing! I look forward to Hewlett Packard sending me a review unit of this laptop of my dreams......I am verified on YT and Spotify not paid!!! lol
4:04 - great DS9 reference. 😂
For that price you could buy 3x RTX 4090's + a chromebook
Running 3 RTX 4090 egpu on a chromebook sound fun 😃
thats a weird combo, but ok
The ultimate gaming machine
best use of money
A Chromebook is crazy. 💀
"IMAX enhanced" has to be the most bullshit of all these bullshit brand things. I refuse to believe a laptop has anything to do with IMAX no matter what you do to it.
also the sound by whatever
crab rave would have sounded shite on this
Refuse all you want but IMAX did create the IMAX Enhanced certification.
@@veryboringname.*IMAX and DTS.
@@IkxiBang and Olufsen sound on my Elitebook is actually the best laptop sound I ever had. But I haven't had any macbooks yet so yeahh.
@@komi_maru HP generally has good sound quality. Their partnership with Bang and Olufsen is probably the reason.
Honestly going into a meeting and pulling out your very very very very very expensive HP “laptop” with a pikachu pencil case is such a great image
Also you could always add a stylist holder to the LTT backpack if you make a new one
im so looking forward to part 2
lol, wasn't expecting a DS9 reference at 4:03
my mind went straight to star trek when he said the next generation, and I was rightfully fulfilled with that reference
Nothing about that reference was DS9. You don't remember Ensign Ro from TNG?
*_ATTENTION ALL BAJORAN WORKERS_*
@@daveedee3626 but that was a singular episode. also, maybe they grew up on DS9?
7:11 How to be like Linus:
- Be short
- Know the difference between hard r
😂😂
Would be really fun to use that for emulation since it has a 4 x 3 aspect ratio.
A glossy screen is not something to complain about .
I took it to mean there was something odd about the coating/construction compared to a typical glossy screen. I agree that glossy screens are better than matte.
Glossy screens are fancy, but not useful...
@@fairphoneuser9009 That explains why Apple and high end Windows business laptops use glossy screens. It's fine with decent brightness and looks better.
I'm tied between this one or the older ASUS one.
Props to the editor. Guess “folding chair” is a probation code name haha
Really nice effects!
Nice Star Trek DS9 reference snucked in
100% What I was thinking lol.
Yep, that's immediately what I though lol
Was legit just about to comment this
"i7" isn't what it used to be lol
2 performance cores only
Oof
Just intel things
yep, mobile naming schemes are always misleading
I mean,wasn't that how things used to be till 8th gen?
7 series on mobile is kinda meaningless since the core m7 days (not an i7 but same priciple) and that was back in 2015 (like the M7-6Y75 based on Skylake). But even their I7 mobile line had 2 core CPUs even back in 2010 (like the i7-620M). So unfortunately I7 is what it used to be.
Always wanted one of these since folding screens became a thing. Now, I can bring a bigger screen PC and have a good reason to bring my keeb as well.
Bajor'an looking ear thing. That got a good chuckle out of me :D
"Oh, that looks neat... oh... never mind, it was made by HP"
I was like, "hey I had a spectre x360 and it was... Oh wait, I had a ton of problems with it didn't I"
But it was really pretty/thin/light so there was that.
I love the concept but HP consumer devices almost always sssssuuuuucxxxkkkkk in my experience. They do good workstations but consumer tends to stink.
yup, I got trapped by them once, trackpad gets clicked if I hold/rest it wrong, horrible battery life (is what made me switch to linux initially, granted it took A LOT of effort to go from 4h to 12h battery life but I spent 2k on this thing so I didnt have much choice), no way to update the bios without windows, friends make fun of my wobbly hinge.
@@DanKaschel Someone who's starving to death is also pretty thin and light.
Incidentally, a staving person will also perform about as well and reliably as your average HP laptop.
I didn't expect Linus to make a Star Trek/DS9 reference today!
Can't wait to see these designs with arm SOC. Should be a deadly combo. Long battery life + desktop class performance in a foldable chassis.
Stuff like this is cool but I've never been one to buy them myself. So many unique, esoteric working parts. I know I couldn't repair it if something went wrong, and there's a LOT to go wrong. Maybe Im just an oldhead, but I remember those old IBM thinkpads you could run over with a tank and they'd still work.
2:58 lol
Wow, a DS9 joke - just when I don't think you guys can surprise me, you go and do it spectacularly.
There's at least one Trekie at LMG. David has a star fleet delta tattoo behind his left ear.
I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences.
honestly for me id want it to have a two screen tablet mode so i can use it without the keyboard and have a lower pen input screen and an upper display screen, would hit so many engineering niches that way.
Linus talking about Fall-Oot. Love it. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
I always love that Linus manages to squeeze two sponsors into a video
don't drop it
Lmao for that kind of spec, you'd expect 1500 to 2000 dollars, added the novelty of folding screen, 3500 dollar max, not 5000 dollar
They need to try to recoup SOME of the development and research cost somehow. And with it being a 17" folding OLED, I can see the expense in that. After a couple generations, if they dont kill this off, I can see the price coming down.
Would it surprise you to know that they're probably still losing money at that price?
This is like the apple vision pro. When devices are priced that high, the purpose is to control volume--to make sure not too many people buy it. For Apple, it was because they lack an ecosystem for VR. For HP, it's (probably) because manufacturing is super expensive and they can't justify the volume to stock replacement parts so they will have to fulfill repairs with replacement units.
This kind of product is really good for the market. This is a company trying something weird and being okay losing money on it. Hopefully it pays off with an awesome gen 2 or gen 3 product.
@@randipoling635But the development cost is fixed. You can just... sell them for cheaper and in greater numbers to achieve the same thing. HP could have used the same chassis for next CPU generations as well.
On the other hand, the price is not completely crazy. Foldable phones cost somewhere in the realm of $1.5K, and they have much smaller hinges, displays and internals. Paying three times the cost for a display that's ~double in diagonal (so ~4 times the area) is not entirely unreasonable.
@@randipoling635 Its already discontinued lmao
The niche was way too small. There aren’t that many people that want to buy such an expensive labtop but also don’t care about performance at all.
It’s like offering a $100,000 car with working full self-drive but a max speed of 30 mph.
Going back to clicking into the ad to make sure I hear the intro. It just sets such an energetic mood for tech.
would love to see a video on how linux handles this device
Bajoran earring love the Star Trek reference
Finally
Been waiting for this ever since you talked about it on WAN show like a year ago
I thought I was crazy for a minute. He has been talking about this thing for a long time, I could have sworn they already covered it.
@@Lord_zeelhis comments on wan show were actually more in depth than this review so you really aren't wrong
Somebody on floatplane says this is a different product with the same idea
@@Metal_Maxine I'm quite sure it's this one
He said it's from HP
Bajoran earring! Perfect analogy :D
I remember hearing Linus talk about this on the WAN show... Three or so months ago.
Linus, the writers, the editors - everyone involved in this one knocked it out of the park. Great video. 🎉
"bajoran earing looking thing" thats never been used before lol.
08:07 Uh that crunchy sounds while unfliping that thing. Gotta love this as an foldable device owner.
that ol tonky laptop took me back to seeing my first laptop. it wasn't quite so old. but my uncle brought it home from work and id sit watching him work cause how amazed i was with it. i love my PC but laptops have a special place in my heart.
Wait, Linus is only 6 years older than me? He’s married with kids and a house, while I just recently moved out of my parents house 😢
Yeah, and Ryan the toy review kid is a millionaire and he's only 12.
everyones life works different... Linus been on the game for SEVERAL years.
A lot can happen in 6 yrs you never know
4:05 that's now how a bajoran earring works. It's attached to the top of the ear, and the other side to the bottom.
That screen is just waiting to be scratched up after one week of use in the office.
Surprised HP hasn't tried selling this on a subscription based like they have with their printers.
I remember hearing that the rest of HP wants to rebrand to not be associated with their printer division as it makes them look bad by association.
@@blazewardog Damage is already done. People would be just as aware what they rebranded from.
@@blazewardogCabbage’s right. HP could try but reviewers and informed buyers would notice. It’s a tempting strategy from their POV, as fixing their reputation feels harder than a magic wand *whoosh rebranding. But.. they wouldn’t have addressed their core problems. If they attempt it they’re knobheads.
Being brutally honest, device like this should have had AMD cpu, cuz you know 780M or 760M APU can actually "game". This would make it even more versatile, as at this point it would be basically Steam Deck/ROG Ally and I would imagine battery live would be even better. Also... It seems like Handheld + External portable screen beats the hell out of this price to value. I know it is not the same, but for a portable setup, there is nothing price wise that would beat it. Besides... foldable screens are still a gimmick / gadget imho as it is actually unknown how long those will last till they break... and replacing screen will most likely be unreasonable & uneconomic. I would rather get Flow X13 or maybe Minisforum V3 Tablet for a fraction of the price. Clearly I am not the "target costumer" for this lol.
Also amd is a bit more efficient in power
The Live video title/thumbnail editing is just wild , its alright tho . gotta do everything to get them $$
I can't really put my finger on it, but whatever you all did as far as the writing and style of this video was great. The flow of information and tone was spot on for me. It's probably one of the best reviews guys have had in a while production wise. Not to say others haven't been good. They always are, but this one really clicked with me for some reason.
The writer that wrote the Bajoran earring comment has my respect.
More pieces for Linus to drop!!!
Generation two or three of this thing is going to be AMAZING.
"...and this one is particularly non-bothersome"
He says as the light bounces off the crease so hard that it makes me epileptic.
I still think the Asus Zenbook Duo (2024) looks WAYYYYY more appealing. I'd rather have two 13 inch screens VS this. Still cool though!
I can see the Zenbook Duo for sale where I live for $3200 Australian (which is only about $2100 USD). There are some trade-offs in form factor but as a developer I really like having more screen real-estate but two separate screens is just useful if not more so than 1 big screen.
They made an absolutely AMAZING laptop, refused to advertise it, then got mad when it failed and had to discontinue it.
HP is the General Motors of the computer world- confirmed.
I love the concept.. I always wanted this but as a monitor.. what a waste
@@npcimknot958 extreme waste of an amazing idea
It’s still available on the U.K. and I believe Australia web site
What about this is amazing other than the price? Every further detail in the review only makes it sound jankier.
looking forward to the elite x version of this laptop
Good review. But how many guaranteed troublefree folds is it rated at? (And how was that number determined, with 5 degrees or 300 degree folds?)
Am I blind, or has this dude always worn earrings like a pirate lol
He has
Yarrr.
Imax enhanched? They'll throw anything against the wall these days.
wtf is imax enhanced lmfao
I have a second idea for the whole webcam issue;
One that magnetises on the edges, that you can put on the edge that is considered up.
Can you use it still folded like an open laptop and have a keyboard on the surface side of the screen?
We need more linux content
I wonder how fast the hinge will break, hp never learns
What stopping HP from making a 43 inch Laptop?
when did they start doing that?
I have an 8year+ Hp elitebook with really solid hinges and metallic body.
@@nahoj.2569 not sure, but I repair a lot of laptop, and like 70 percent of hinge related issues that come in are HP, the place where the screw screws into through the hinge breaks off so hinge doesn’t move anymore so it breaks apart the frame
What immediately stands out to me is the insane reflectivity of the screen
Seems like webcam in top right corner in tablet mode would solve the problem of location, it would be in top left corner in desktop mode, so always on top
7:11 "Know difference between hard R" hahahahahaha
I don't hear him say this anywhere in the video
@@NCXitlali it’s from the wan show their podcast when Linus was talking about how he used the hard r in the past and heard it and shows even in the early 2000s like American dad, but he was talking about the word ret_ard so for mental disabilities not N-word and he didn’t even think that the hard R word meant the N-word so he basically almost destroyed the company until Luke pointed it out and chat too
@@justacollegestudent5147 oh right. He's Canadian. 🤣 Americans always want an excuse to be offended.
@@NCXitlaliIt was typed on the laptop screen. Hard to understand the context, but others filled it in.
ha okay
I've got a ryzen 5 2600 and a geforce gtx 1050ti ftw on a b450 motherboard any ideas on a relatively cheep gpu and cpu upgrade or should I just buy a new pc at this point, I get 60-120fps on most games on low to mid graphics
this makes more sense than a folding phone in my opinion
great device if it wasn't made by hp
and lower priced
My new worknlaptop is a 4:3 and I love the aspect ratio the 2 or 3 times a month I use it.
I really hope these become common one day. They are sick! There was a really cool tablet I saw that folds into a laptop and you can type on the bottom half of the display. That's an amazing idea.
a bajoran earring. that is a wild reference.
bring back the beard
I second this motion
Did Linus just mention Bajor? Outstanding.
5:26 idk about that in the middle of the hinge last time I checked for foldable cameras there were none
Bajoran Earring, you got at least one Trekkie writer!
I know that David is a trekkie (he has a star trek tattoo behind his left ear) but this was written by Jordan.
Therapist: Shaved Linus Can't Hurt You.
Shaved Linus:
I still like the implementation of the the surface book since the custom nvidia gpu is located in the base of the keyboard with it's secondary battery and ports. Maybe even have an external gpu connected to the ports with an external gpu enclosure but have it an a portable form factor for tracking and an extension of optional dock for attaching pc peripherals. I would probably get a foldable windows tablet with features that I can already mentioned from the surface book but in the surface book form factor.
They should make a small groove behind the kick stand where you can mount the pen. Then when the kick stand is closed it securely stores the pen in there.
You said the price was high, and I clearly didn't believe you. You said it was HP's most expensive laptop, and I clearly didn't believe you.
Then you said the actual price, and I let out an audible "oof!". Five grand is absolutely absurd.
$5K with only 16 gigs of RAM⁉️ 🤯
Agreed. Even Macs aren't that bad. I would have liked at least 24, or ideally, 32-64 GB for a PC at that price.
Does this screen still scratch at a level 2? Been looking for an official screen hardness on this device and haven’t found anything.
Waiting for it to go on sale, as well as Lenovo i9
2:47 Whoever applied this flashbang filter deserves to be fired.
you ever dipped biscoff cookies in tea?
I think it would be nice if it could be 1920x1200 in clamshell, and fix the issues said above, i would love to get this
You know how long their video queue is when he shows this laptop off on wan show and then it’s video comes out 2 months later
'What's not the love!?' - The fact it's HP and will very likely break, or part of it will break.
More like every part of it will break. The keyboard BT connection already didn't work well in the review, the keyboard charging cable looks like it'll break if you look at it wrong and you won't be able to replace it a year from now because it's got a weird proprietary port, the display is foldable and has pen input which means it won't last too long either.
7:15 I saw that lol