Why name Brianna Ghey's killers? | James O'Brien - The Whole Show
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I can't begin to imagine what the parents are dealing with right now.
I can't imagine what kind of parents they are producing such children.
@@user-bd3bg2ip6x: What a bizarre response.
@@user-bd3bg2ip6x The parents can't control a child every thought, watch them every second of the day, she had an obsession with movies like John wick, naming the young lad after it, the female seemed obcessed with alter ego, it's not about trans, because if you read the story, She'd spoke like she'd already took lifes previous to this, I think online apps like "TikTok" been one dont help, if you watch that app, you'd understand why kids are getting out of hand.
@@MontyCantsin5 The foked tongue of eugenicist sociopaths; satisfying both those who presume to see the best & those otherwise (dis)abused.
(who's parents are they thinking of? With knowing hatred or knowing love?)
Even though they were minors, we shouldn't seek to absolve them of blame. I don't care if they are named. Yet they are not the only guilty ones here. But we must remember that we have a government that has stirred up immature and impressionable people against Poles, disabled people, transgender folk and many others.
Rishi says he feels 'bullied' because transgender people exist. But it is the scapegoated people who are bullied, physically attacked and sometimes murdered. Let's consider calling out the politicians.They're old enough to know better.
Being a minor is social construct, go back a 100yrs they would be classed as adults. They don't even have to be named by the judge, social media will name them, probably already have, hard to keep keep a secret this day and age, a whisper in an ear can be heard a thousand miles a way! yes people can be scapegoated but it takes a sick mind plan and stab someone 28 times, they knew what they were doing was wrong and against the law, don't forget that.
The test of whether a country is ruled by law is when the law supports those who disgust us. Do you uphold the law or throw it out of the window?
they murdered an innocent 16 year old , they should be named , they should of thought of that before they stabbed her 28 times , LBC are so delusional
Yes but they re reflecting the minority not the majority and democracy is all about the majority!@@user-fe1gb9uc1t
No one is seeking to absolve them of blame.
Naming them is an irrelevance. Making sure they never get out isnt.
Quite clearly, naming them can cause secondary outcomes that are of no benefit to society.
This. Absolutely this.
@@wiretamer5710 like what?
Their feelings might get hurt
@@4879daniel i want to know what he thinks wouldnt be a benefit to society if they were named. I can think of several outcomes better for society in that scenario
They shouldn't just be named, but should be jailed for the rest of their feckless lives .....
Why are you allowed to say this and I'm not?
@@isbestlizard Just try saying something negative about Hamas. Hate speech tag in minutes. It is because your comments are being reported. Likely an organised pile on.
You missed the entire point of the discussion.
@@wiretamer5710 so you say. I'm not required to conform to your sensibilities about anything. So don't tell me what I can or cannot comment on, or how. Maybe it's _you_ that missed the point.
@@AlBundyOzThey didn't tell you what you can and can't comment on. They said you missed the point and you've not said anything to demonstrate otherwise.
Given what you said about the glory that notoriety & fame that naming them would bring, I now feel they should NOT be named.
The names are all over tiktok. Would take anyone 5 seconds.
well literal millions dont know that, we should keep it that way@@TheAArmstrong
Heartbreaking. Unimaginable what the parents must be going through
I can't imagine what kind of parents they are producing such children.
@@user-bd3bg2ip6xPretty sure they meant the parents of the murdered teen, not the parents of the murderers.
@@django3422 You can't blame the parents of them who did this either, the young girl had an obsession with movies like "John Wick" well she named the young lad after the movie, it seemed by what I was reading, she had took on an alter ago, she'd become another person, saying things that clearly lead to this, what I dont understand! Is why school didn't pick up on anything, or why parents don't check their child's online activity, we've become to laid back in society & I blame the left, always making everything something, so even if the police do get tough, the left come out protesting, but that's why crimes are up, in the same week, a 4yr was 🔪 that rarely got a mention, I see sucides of young men, but on LBC they only mention the barge, it's these channels that create the problems, it's always political, when all life's should matter, not just ppl wanting to take politics aims at Tories.
@@uniquevideosUk Yeah, you're a disingenuous fake account.
Especially in GAZA
I first came across the pronoun thing when I did some work in 2021 for a couple of government agencies. I saw email signatures that had “he/him” and “she/her” or similar after them. I was confused at first and thought they were qualifications like BSc, DipStats or whatever but pretty quickly figured out what they were. I joked that mine were “sir/milord”. So to some degree I find them kind-of silly. But you know what? To some people they’re not silly. They’re part of their identity. Does it threaten me? No. Put me out? No. So why not honour and respect them? No skin off my nose. My two cents.
Thank you for being reasonable about it. Generally speaking, not making jokes or being silly with them is appreciated? But that's mostly just because of that being done in a *really* mean spirited way being a cornerstone of online transphobia throughout 2014-2019 or so. But, all the same thank you for just taking the reasonable stance here of just, who does it even harm? We just want basic respect.
Couldn't agree more. It's SIMPLY about being decent and respecting the minimum. And not denigrating the human experience. Even if it happens to be different to your own
@@tabbymoonshine5986 Ta. Yes, it is. And further to my other point, how much does it actually affect people who are transphobic? (For want of a better word.) There are bigger things to worry about in this world than what to call someone you've never met.
The word sums them up just fine. Or plain old bigot
As a trans person It means the world to see kind and compassionate folks like yourself out there.
A lot of people who disagree with using pronouns that people have politely asked them to use, are the same people who might call a King 'Your Majesty' or use 'Your Grace', 'Your Holiness' or even 'Father' for someone who isn't at all their father, without batting an eyelid.
If we become them... we lose the moral high ground...
We have to be kinder. We have the power to not be like them.
I was just going to mention James Bulger.Shocking. protected,names changed ect,and still one of them had to return for offending again.
Sometimes things get better. Sometimes things do not get better. As it is, reducing the burden on society by 50% is a win.
Didn’t a couple of charity workers for ‘reformed’ offenders who thought like that end up getting stabbed on a bridge a few years ago? Why should more people be put a risk for your morals?
An incredibly sad story about a trans person that was killed by who she thought were friends - Meanwhile this Government wants to make it even harder for those that remain alive to live happy existences.
And we have the NERVE to consider ourselves a so called "first world" country 🙄
She?
@@SuperKiaoThey were a trans woman so, yeah, the correct pronoun would be "she".
@@django3422 don't feed the troll
They do these things for clout. Dont give killers fame. They go to jail forever and we forget they exist.
It serves no purpose to name the two teenagers,it's been reported that their families have received death threats.
Why?
I'll never know what purpose that serves either.
I know three families have been ruined on account of hatred is all I know.
What needs to be looked for is what seed was planted that led to two teenagers to stab to death someone of the same age that never did any harm to them?
What I do know is that Brianna's mother's appeal yesterday after the verdict for people to have some sympathy for the two killers families,made her a compasionate giant among people
Awesome!
they murdered an innocent 16 year old , they should be named , they should of thought of that before they stabbed her 28 times , LBC are so delusional
The Amazon documentary, “Falling for a Killer”, really opened my eyes about how we choose to focus on the killer ( in that case, Ted Bundy) rather than the victims. I think we don’t want to mourn. It’s so helpless to mourn. Mourning takes time. It makes you feel. It’s so much easier to condemn, to focus on the killers. Condemnation is just a conversation.
It is LBCoversation
because making it about the killers is what shocks people and sells, sadly
When there's shootings they often use terms like 'rampage' or 'slaughter' and mention the killer repeatedly. A psychologist said don't mention the killer, talk about the victims, their families, their friends, and maybe it might make people think differently.
In that same week a 4yr old was 🔪 didn't see much about it, what's sad is! channels like this, are to busy taking political aims at Tories, they've become ignorant to young men who take their life everyday, but one happened on the barge, it's all over LBC, must be how the overly privileged behave "arrogant" because if he was in this for giving us "news" why is it always politically based news, not all news 😕
How can the British state exercise violence on two individuals, on behalf of the public, and keep the identities secret?
Does that even make sense?
How do you even know if anyone was even tried?
Shouldn't the public's business be public?
As a society our concern should ONLY be that the two killers are controlled so they are not in a position to harm another soul. The only people's who's opinions outside of that matter are Brianna's parent's. Everybody else's righteous indignation should be squarely aimed at the right wing press and government. Who on the one hand demonize the trans community. Then on the other feign faux concern when someone from that community is harmed.
Change "controlled " to rehabilitated & yes
Couldn't agree more. To see politicians and right wing media denigrate a child after her brutal killing has been deeply repugnant to watch. But sadly not surprising.
I don't work with people of this nature, but reading the reports, these two teenagers at the moment seem to present a clear and present danger. I don't know if they can be rehabilitated. However, in a civilized society, you would hope that is the case. The reason why I say 'controlled' is because there are too many variables at play to say whether they can be rehabilitated or not. It's purely speculation without data. But, I would hope they could become productive members of society in the long term.
@@redflag4781 This isn't one of those cases where they can be rehabilitated. This is that tiny, slim, almost unheard of minority of cases where they they simply have to be separated from society forever.
@@Adam-th7qt
Maybe. I don't have the knowledge to refute your statement, I generally prefer rehabilitation in most cases.
In my office, we were discussing the apparent increase of such these atrocities happening and those being reported seemed to have coincided with the tremendous cut backs that all social cares have experienced.
Or maybe kids not been brought up correctly!! Or is that too simplistic!
I think Its a public interest issue to name them , its not about hurting them , personally i would want to know if these 2 get released on licence in the future considering their clear & dangerous risk to others.Besides which their names will leak online at some point any way.
If these people remain a danger to society, they should not be released: end of problem, no need to name them.
They'll have false names if they're released, so what's the point ??
Jon Venables got a new name and he got found out thankfully.
James got this one right. Justice shouldnt be about revenge or making the offender suffer. Its about righting a wrong. As best as can be done. The only way to achieve that is to cultivate conditions where people dont grow up to be monsters.
I'm with you. I'm always on the side that has as its primary focus to prevent recidivism. I understand the desire to want perpetrators to be punished, the retribution... but I think we should also at the very least ensure that people released from prison do not ever reoffend.
In The Netherlands we have " terbeschikkingstelling", whereby a person who was deemed to be something similar to criminally insane must undergo and finish psychiatric treatment. Ideally each convit remains in jail until some arbiter deems them to be fit to return to society. For some people this means lifelong incarceration, for others this means treatment and rehabilitation.
Most people aren’t monsters and the culture today doesn’t breed them. You can’t stop these unfortunate but isolated sick people. 15yrs old should be just about ready for adult hood. Makes no difference to me if they are named. Absolutely terrible story
@@louieberg2942Unfortunately for liberal utopians like yourself, practically every rehabilitation concept has been tried, with limited success. You're not going to "social engineer" the bad part of human nature out of people with any consistency.
There will ALWAYS be monsters. Its human nature.
@@zippymufo9765100% true. People are absolutely dreaming to think we will ever defeat human nature.
Named shamed and what ever else they took that poor kids life and the public is not to know who they are that is shocking
Sorry for the loss to the family hope you get justice because no matter who you are no one deserves that if they get away with it then they might do it again time this law change the young girl would be alive condolences to the family
@LBC
As a trans woman, I'm scared every time I step out my front door, I wear BWV (secretly) but even when I report things to "NWP & BTP" , nothing is ever done.... I'm in constant communication with equality and diversity officers in the force and all they ever do is refer me to victim support.
The one time I reported something on the day it happened, I also sent my footage to the police at the same time but due to an error I wasn't contacted for 2 months... but even so, the PCSO then requested the CCTV using the wrong form so it wasn't obtained and also destroyed..... I raised this with the BTPA and they said they they've done nothing wrong 🤦🏼♀️😑
ACAB
AHAB
I've tried doing things the legal way but haven't ever had any kind of justice, guess I'll just stop!?
I have no faith they'll help me unless I'm dead.
I watched the Death of John Lennon documentary on Apple TV. The prosecutor even know refuse to use the culprits name. He is the culprit, and his name should never be as famous as John Lennon.
I’m glad that James and lbc is covering this knowing that none of the right wing media would ever care about a young trans girl
Don’t be trite. No one think it’s OK for kids to be stabbed.
@@4879danielYou'll be surprised. Anything is possible with propaganda.
@@4879daniel I think you'll find that sadly plenty don't care if a kid is stabbed if that kid isn't white and straight. That's the country we live in 😢
15 years old is not a child. I wonder what kind of parents they have.
Yes 15 is a child actually.
Legally, yes. But for a parent a 15 year doesn’t feel like a child anymore and is expected to act in a certain way
@@4879danielwell legal definition is what matters in legal issues surprisingly...🙄
Context. Learn what it means.
@@4879daniel I know what it means and in the legal context they are not adults...
Sunak has what he fought for. A society with lynchmobs against minorities. and Starmer is having a picknick under the tree.
Well said James .
I thought when you said your next guest had a finger in every pie I thought you were referring to prince Andrew
One wonders if post trial, the parents should have a say on such a sensetive matter.
As awful as the case was, James, please don't even mention going anywhere near the death penalty for two teenagers. It doesn't help the narrative.
These things should be shared! He was talking about his emotions. Symbolic violence, if you will.
Really, why should they be spared ?
@@kaytsippy1981 nah, it normalises something that should never be brought back, especially against children. It's 1950's Texas territory.
He is very clearly against the death penalty. He said he won't trot out all the reasons, cos we know them already. He said that. He isn't normalising anything. Not sure how you read it like that @@XLatMaths
@@XLatMaths I see where you're coming from. I don't think JOB was trying to open up genuine discourse about the death penalty. Like you and I, he abhors that penalty. But I also appreciate that it's particularly problematic to bring up the death penalty in relation to children, even the boys who killed James Bulger in such horrific circumstances.
I'm against the DP in all circumstances, but a child would not be the first type of murderer I'd even speculate meriting such a punishment.
Its not " the whole show " where is mystery hour???? Why the f%#%*&^$ did you cut it???
Just because their kids doesn't mean they're not evil. Maybe if they ever get out they can hang out with your children.
Let's honour Brianna's memory and reject the politicians and the thugs (who are interchangeable) who would be ambivalent to the case.
Out with ANY colour of politician who is "uncomfortable" and anti-LGBT. 😢 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈
Who is ambivalent about a child being murdered exactly? You’re inventing it because you wish it were true.
@@4879daniel I answered your question, but those listed are just the ones that have publicly voiced their "uncomfortable" feelings about trans rights. How are YOUR feelings, Daniel?
@@4879daniel there are plenty of people (mostly right wingers) who would 100% refuse to call this girl a she when she was alive but now will be falling all over themselves to say how tragic her death was and how two boys murdering a girl deserve the harshest possible sentence
@@jamesarnold7253 So a child is stabbed to death and your takeaway is right wingers' choice of words as the important thing here? OK. The killers were a boy and a girl, not two boys by the way - not that it makes any difference.
I personally don't see why they should be named since they'll get anonymity for life anyway. Seems a bit moot. Point is these psychopaths will be detained for a very long time.
Definitely. I would certainly like to know.
Firstly, I don’t want their names in my head. I want to be blissfully ignorant of their identity. Secondly I don’t want those monsters to have the notoriety once identified. I don’t want them receiving letters from those weirdos that feel like they can identify with either of them. I want them to sit in jail and have nothing to do but dwell on what they have done not writing to their ‘fans’. And lastly, if their parents have done nothing to contribute to this whole tragic event then surely they should spared from being made pariahs as social media tends to do.
BUT…maybe they should be named once released. I know they will be given a new identity but they will be forever looking over their shoulder with the fear of being identified…
So will that fear be beneficial to society?
Genuine haha brilliant !
19:54 I am just reading his book ‘Boy A’, it’s incredible. Bought it after hearing him on this show
You're such a humane, insightful, honestul voice in these dark times James.
I don't think the killers of poor Brianna should be named, contrary to the law, because we should attempt to understand WHY they carried out such an awful, transgressive act - try to understand the society in which they felt entitled to carry out this terrible ,act.
They are going to be punished as they shouldbe,ofcourse butnaming them will completely subvert any attempt to rehabilitate them, and also cause even more pain,even threat, to their families.
There are no
Positive things arising from this awfu! Act which surely says so much about our socitiety today, and the way the powerful seem to enable some members, like the seemingly lovely, vulnerable Brianna, to be seen as less than human, which surely impacted on her killers.
Great show James, as always.
Mystery hour is part of the show, why has it been cut? Please put it back in next week!
I think you're right James. There's a difference between justice Vs vengeance and mob rule... Pitchforks at sunset...
Why do we have the justice system and due process?
For fairness, for separating the victim and criminal, for applying the rule of law and keeping emotive reactions out of it.
I think you meant to say there is a difference between justice and vengence. Vengence and mob rule are the same thing.
What on earth does " separating the victim and criminal " mean?
@@wiretamer5710 thanks corrected
@@peterwillson1355 if the victim is able to be judge and jury we end up at a dark place indeed
James, i am in complete sympathy with you over the rights and wrongs of naming these people. Their age at the time of their crime, is a strong reason to allow them to be protected, but only- I would contend, until they reach the age of consent -16 or 18 perhaps. Certainly they are criminals responsible and their futures are now changed for ever.
On balance, I think I feel that there is an argument that nobody should go into a murderous move in the knowledge that they would be able to remain anonymous.
Another strong reason to name them is to allow their peers to recognise them and to appreciate the context of their crime. These people lived and interacted in a community - both a local community and a digital one. What effect will naming/not naming have on their acquaintances and community? Of course they know already, but having it published will encourage discussion and some kind of resolution, perhaps.
What kind of discussion and resolution do you see arising specifically from them being named?
I think the only reason to name them would be to allow us to avoid them, or lie in wait for them, when they get out. Personally I would name them idiot 236 and idiot 237 to do away with any celebrity.
9:00 ... are you serious, James? Sympathy for the male killers mother? "What has she done wrong?" Is that a rhetorical question?...The answer is actually very simple.
Its not about piling on the suffering. Its about knowing who these scumbags are so they cant cover themselves in tbe future
JOB wish i was as articulate in
expressing my opinions as you
Do you take prescription medication 💊 🤔
If these monsters dont get named and are rehabilitated into society what role are they play there after?
They aren't monsters
@@adamturner3797 they are monsters of the worst kind born monsters
@@adamturner3797 what are they then?
@@Formally-known-Prince-Andrew they are people, humans not monsters
They should be named
You could apply this same question to pretty much every crimnal case, why do we need to publically name anyone thats been convcted of a crme?
Unless it serves a public interest, ie that person is in a public position, I don't think we should name them. It either further ruins lives after people have done their punishment or it gives them notoriety either in the prison system or amongst sick individuals.
@@samsoncooper1 I agree, but there is also the deterrent argument. No one really wants to have their face splashed across the papers for doing horrible crimes.
They make me feel physically sick.
Why? They don't make me physically sick at all just wondering why they make you physically sick
When they are named, (and in some youtube comments names are being mooted) it will uncover another degree of social concern as to how two teenagers could become murderous despite having no experience of abuse or neglect in childhood.
They did the crime so, yes, name them.
Question: Can feelings of shame and guilt have a positive, remedial purpose? Or are they merely irrelevant and non-productive by-products? Can they actualise an offender to 'mend their ways' - to become a better individual/citizen? And can the publicising of a misdeed increase the incidence of shame/guilt so that it intensifies the urge to self-reform?
It is different every time, for every individual. Human behaviour is VERY complex.
@@wiretamer5710 Of course human nature is complex - it goes without saying! But this should not prevent us from asking the important questions about human behaviour. Not to do so would make fruitless the roles of anthropologists, sociologists, psychologists, and political scientists.
Of course they should be named if they are above the age of criminal responsibility, A cornerstone of justice is the transparancy of parties involved. Take it back to the village state, and everyone would be in court to witness the proceedings, with no one excluded, Why should other standards be adopted now?
Transparency of the legal system is NEVER the same as transparency for the individuals involved.
The system of medieval mob justice DID NOT WORK. It NEVER prevented these crimes from recurring, and it often generated further crimes. Medieval payback can easy be corrupted so that innocent people are tortured.
1:14:10 filling in those holes on the giants causeway ?
I have a problem with pronouns involving inherited privilege.
No mystery hour?
The real 'mystery' is... why any right-minded person woukd listen to over a hour-and-a-half of this poo. :p
No Mystery Hour???
WGAF
The justices job is to serve justice- whatever that is.
I really appreciate the honesty James showed on this issue. Of course, our first instinct is that no punishment is too great for the perpetrators of such crimes. The law, however, is the law. Even if we don't like it, it stands between ourselves and our natural mob mentality.
Shame our laws and sentences are pathetic
We abolished capital punishment for those under 18 in 1933. Do you think that was a bad thing? @@jamespaul6315
Yes. Name them
How are they going to make a hit docu-series about it if they don't have content about the killers?
They change the names of the criminals.
My attempt at derision towards societies most ghoulish @wiretamer5710.
It wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to anyone involved in the case or directly affected by the case if the bored Karens and Kevins out there did or did not know the names of these killers. The only people it would make a difference to are the bored Karens and Kevins, because they want the details and believe they are entitled to the details.
The legal system deals with criminal cases not the general public.
Karens and Kevins should find another way to entertain themselves.
Unfortunately I don’t think they can be rehabilitated. They sound psychopathic .
1:14:01 Orkney? Shetlands?
The mother of that teen boy.. Sobbing.. She just lost a child too. And probably feels horror and disgust... And is questioning every memory of her child.. She lost her child and the memory of them.
8:04 justice and vengeance are very close together it is important that justice be seen to be down but it is also important that justice actually be done and those two things are not at all the same thing if justice is not seen to be done it undermines in the minds of the community there very reason for the courts existence and if justice isnt done its undermines in practice the ability to justify the courts existence as anything other that just might makes right to do what is right isnt always just to follow the law isnt always right and t do what is just doesn't mean to do that which is lawful ..
Thank you for this James
At the risk of sounding too sympathetic, is there not a certain element of psychological issues involved.
Lots of people have bad thoughts but don't act on them and that's as much a biological/psychological issue as much as a criminal one.
Just saying.
I think by definition a murderer isn't likely to be on ownership of a "well" mind. But obviously as you state it doesn't diminish responsibility. There was clear premeditation and no signs of psychotic episodes or schizophrenia etc...
Umm.... where is mystery hour? (Stumps back to global player)
The age of criminal responsibility is 10. Maybe it should be 12- but they should face up, in public, for their crimes.
Because the parents of monsters should stop getting a free pass whenever their spawn commit atrocities against society
So what should happen?
Yassssss.
That's ridiculous. I guess you're not a parent. You presume the parents are wholly responsible for the actions of their children?
No. People should not be punished for the actions of others. That's not moral
@SiRushBass The parents are the legal guardians of those children. Of course they should be held responsible. They apparently had a fascination with death? What is your job as a parent in that circumstance? Just ignore it? No.
@@darkangel9171 so you advocate ripping up the idea of individual accountability and making one person responsible for another's crimes. That's a serious moral shift away from what ethical societal norms dictate. They've already received death threats. And this is the point - it's for the courts to punish people, not the mob. As James pointed out, we have an emotional gut reaction to these kinds of crimes, and it behoves us as grown up thinking people to be aware of our emotive reactions vs what's right. The work of Jonathan Haidt describes very well how our moral compasses can be easily broken with emotional responses, and we need to apply logic and compassion before acting.
I disagree. I left home at 15 eith nothing more than the clothes i was wearing. I got a job, got a home etc etc. At this age, one is perfectly capable of making important decisions - is it ideal? No ..But lets not pretend these two didnt know exactly what they did and the pain they were inflicting.
I do not believe that people should be able to give abuse or make comments on social media or any other platform anonymously - but we all do. I do not belong to X/Instagram etc. etc. but even comments on things such as this are anonymous. Perhaps it's time that ' put your money where your mouth is' became the norm. Would lead to a lot less of the senseless abuse online. Perhaps folk would think twice if they knew that they could be identified.
Should be named they are evil 😈
So glad you are not in charge.
James is way off the mark here , full transparency required
An intelligent person simply does not cast the stone in such an obviously complex case. The age of those found guilty is enough to reserve judgement on the matter as a matter of caution.
Name them. Public then have a choice. That's what we are all about isn't it?
No
No. Its about maintaining law and order, not triggering revenge cults.
A choice of what?
I’m always amazed the perpetrators get as far as the court. If somebody stabbed my child 28 times, I wouldn’t sleep for one moment until real justice was served. Sorry if this offends, but I think any father might agree.
I'm always amazed that so many people believe their imagination is ANYTHING like the real experience of extreme events.
Adrenaline profoundly changes human perception of reality. If you really are in that situation, it will be nothing like how you feel about it now. Your perception of time can change, your hearing can change, your sensitivity to light can change. Your ability to control your body can change.
People OFTEN react differently to extreme situations, than they imagine they would. The less you know about trauma science, and the less you are trained to deal with stressful situations, the more likely you are to be bowled over by the experience.
And what is "real justice" to you?
Apart from Brianna's Mother who has called for Empathy.
They've watched too many Death Wish films. Wonder what they'd think if it was a moment of rage or then again if it was just a car accident: where they'd draw the line, and if they realise perpetuating violence is solely for themselves and hurting lots more friends and relatives of other people. @@django3422
@@django3422 insert whatever meaning you like - but consider the atrocious nature of the original crime on an innocent child.
Obrian needs to update his photo.
Whole show? Epic fail!
You release the names because it’s called accountability.
It astonishes me how many people are so eager to have murderers walking among them unknowingly.
Where is the rest of the show
If we don’t know the names what of the future ? They could be released many years hence and people need to know the possible danger.?
So you're gonna memorise the names and then be suspicious of anyone who shares that name from roughly the same generation?
They should be named.
Considerations of the future, and the potential ways it can unfold, should not be the concern of the legal process enacted to adjudicate.
This court procedure has been manifested, not only for those directly involved or impacted, but for us as a collective.
The outcome is a decision. Guilty.
The subsequent closing of the legal process finalises the enacted law.. This must be recorded in its entirety. Record of evidence submitted, statements made, questioning that took place, who were the defendants, and who was the victim.
I have never seen a more interesting presentation. This presenter looks like he is hiding behind the mike. Sometimes he seems like he is peeping through a microscope, the microscope being the mike. Please improve on this. Your face needs to connect with the viewer! Stop looking down and use a lapel mike if necessary!
Boy A is a fantastic movie. Though it’s a very difficult watch
Children ! ????
The science tells us that females become criminally responsible around 15. For males it is around 22.
in fact thats enough for today at 7 minutes
They will be out of custody in Twenty years.
All was kids, the child that was murdered out of school yard pettiness plus the actual ones who did it they messed up so badly the damage can't be fixed, they have a heavy burden to carry now something that can't be matched with cost or effort it will haunt them forever and get worse as they get older and come to truly realise the extent of their actions, they should be left to face their futures alone in shame and regret not in a media circus
death penalty ? - you are letting yaself down there ...
James Obrien is an expert of crime, just ask Carl Beech.
Are you really pathetic enough to keep bringing that up? Do you like to remind the police that they were wrong about Carl Beech?
It hit very hard i have a tans teen in my youth group the same age i jst cant stop thining about her andthe buse she endures frm certain kids ad as part of a group whose ives are pokitical footballs. I don't think the kids should be named for all the reasons stated
Was the mother cryng for her son or for what he did. No point in their further existence now
What do you mean by that second part?
You already know the answer,try reading the Bible might help you.