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- Struggling to tell your Mannixes from your Harkers after watching Bodies? Here's everything you need to know about the timeline and twist ending of Stephen Graham's mind-bending new Netflix limited series.
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Four detectives. Four timelines. One body. To save Britain's future, they'll need to solve the murder that altered the course of history first. - Zábava
This is a synopsis of the show, not an explanation of the twist.
Exactly, the whole internet is being dumb, they all say "ending explained" but are wasting our time with synopses
Exactly, I skip forward in these ending explained videos cuz they basically mostly do a recap. Only a few do actual ending explained videos. So skip skip to be sure your're not wasting your time.
That’s because no one can explain how the loop started and a guy creates himself… 😂😂😂. I like the premise of the show, but that important detail ruins it for me.
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The way I interpreted the ending in the cab was when Maplewood traveled from 2053 to 1890 (163 years in the past), the "split" version of her also traveled to the year 2216. Since that version of her existed "outside the loop", her reality was not affected by the loop collapsing in on itself thus she still remembers everything. It also seems like 2216 technology actually corrected her spinal injuries without implants, since it appeared she was driving the cab with her feet (it's also possible they improved time travel and can now transport inorganic matter). However, what exactly she's doing back in 2023 is somewhat of a mystery. Possibly there's now other "future" problems that now need to be solved. Anyway, fantastic series if you can stomach all the annoying issues with time travel plot lines. At least it didn't make my brain hurt as much as Dark.
Where are you getting the year 2216? When was it ever referenced she was split and her split version traveled to the years 2216?
@@obsidian2249every time they used the machine they went back 163 years, 112 years, 30 years and 4 days. Also they went to future 4 days, 30 years, 112 years, 163 years. So thats why you seen Maplewood in 2023 or near that time. But when the loop ended there isn’t Mannix any more but the mission is done.
@@obsidian2249 This is absolutely right and make sense to I forgot about the fact that when she go back in the past the spilt version of her go to future to with the same amount of time that she have gone back to the past so this why she was in 2023 like you said in 2216 the technology has been more improved this why she had the possibility to go back again in time and this is all because she was out of the loop and the loop in that time was already broken so this why the collapsing has not affect her and btw thanks for reminding me of that 🤝🏼
@@Nayef33 My take was the only reason why Dafoe went back into 3 different times was because he was shot. Mannix only goes back to 1890 and doesn't appear in any other times, meaning that with Dafoe it was an accident.
@@mattbooth307 when you take any metal with you - like a bullet or that device on her back. You go through different years
IRIS IS THE THROAT GOAT OF 2023!
Let me explain..
I feel like this video did more of a recap than an actual explanation of this great tv series’ ending, especially that juicy cliffhanger at the end. But still, the last episode and the last scene where Iris met Hasan in the car has just enough hints to piece together a sufficient explanation that makes sense.
When Iris jumped into the Throat she sequentially started her own timeline that began to supersede Elias Mannix’s on a universal scale, a second loop that follows and undoes Mannix’s first timeline (the one we see all magnificently unfold in the first 7 episodes). This moment is the key. This Iris and this exact point is the catalyst to new events unfolding in the last episode. The butterfly effect takes place, Iris plants doubt, big baddy has a redemption moment and the bomb doesn’t detonate. The universe overwrites Elias’ old dirty reality with this newer, shinier reality started by Iris, like the universe is a 4 year old child. So when Iris arrived in 1890, a “universal truth” erased Elias from existence and half a million mates didn’t bloo’y die. And chronologically that makes sense, if you only use the catalyst mentioned above as the key starting point.
So in the end when Elias Mannix ultimately decides to not detonate the bomb for the second time with his phone and older Hasan and young Mannix get Thanos’d and disappear, it’s the universe recalibrating and bulldozing the last wrinkles to this universal truth’s timeline, only keeping one paradox in play. Iris. But why?
So we see Iris is Irising in 2023 apparently. How? Maybe here in 2023 being an Uber driver makes more cash than working for the British government. Jk! Now remember, everything that’s happened since she jumped into the Throat has to remain consistent INCLUDING her existence from that point on, to keep this new universal truth intact. Yes she’s from of a future that technically doesn’t exist but what the universe deems has more weight is that she’s also the fundamental start of this new timeline, where again everything has to remain air-tight and absolute for the universe to accept it as reality, including her paradoxical existence.
I swear this isn’t a recap and isn’t just redundant info, just follow me here. In computer science and programming, there’s a concept called a recursive function. Without going in too deep into the fine details, a recursive function is lines of code designed to complete a specific task by calling and using itself over and over again. And in order for a recursive loop to end and output the desired result or risk imploding on itself, there has to be a BASELINE or exit-strategy to keep that infinite recursive loop from happening. The show uses the catalyst mentioned above for Iris’ baseline to bring about the universal truth and explain her being in 2023. How? The baseline states and ONLY states that, “A 2053 Iris jumped into the Throat and a naked Iris with no spinal implants came into existence in 1890.” Only the most simple and minimal baseline is needed. The baseline doesn’t need to include or factor in things like 2053 Iris’ entire world history, her sociopolitical climate, her hot brother, her crazy cat lady neighbors, her belongings, etc into something as hypercomplex as fixing the time space continuum. Her body and actions thereafter were enough. Again, this baseline started an avalanche of events that inevitably supersedes any and all events that’s happened during Mannix’s 1890-2023/2053 timeline, which includes events and products of the Mannix timeline itself: older Hasan going into the Throat to get the vinyl, young Hasan from being born, hopefully any other parents still naming their kids Adolf, and yes the bomb from going off. True all of these subsequent components involved time travel cause-and-effect like Iris did but the takeaway is they were all not tethered to Iris’ baseline, so Thanos’d they go.
The one and only thing from that old reality that can remain IS the exit-strategy baseline, “A 2053 Iris jumped into the Throat and a naked Iris with no implants came into existence in 1890.” It’s like the universe’s own personal mantra it repeats to itself to keep it from going into infinite feedback loop insanity. So Iris and all her body iterations get to be the single entity to basically get a get-out-jail card out the loop. Viola! She exists in 2023.
Wait but there’s more! With four easy KYAL payments you get bonus goodies! So all of the above explains how Iris can potentially be in 2023 but why doe? Didn’t she presumably die in that jail cell?
With 2053 Iris jumping into the Throat and arriving in 1890 established as the universal truth baseline, let’s recap some undeniable facts in this new reality. For one, only one Elias body made it thru the Throat jump. I assume Elias Mannix doesn’t know very much about quantum mechanics so somehow only one Elias Mannix popped out, in 1890. Why did more than one pop out for Gabriel DeFoe? Well he’s a university professor in quantum mechanics, a key difference that gives reason as to why he has/had five of his bodies in both the past and future. Him being shot in the eye and dying probably didn’t help much but he got creative and used his mind and literally his body to somehow still accomplish his goal. Hence the tattoo. It’s a sci-fi timey wimey tv show but I’m also guessing the omnipresent universe calling the shots doesn’t bother going around tattoo-ing people so most likely it was Defoe (or an unseen ally) who does this as a clue for the detectives to use, a self-imposed signature call card that a lot of serial killers use to taunt detectives on their case, just so happens in this particular case, it’s for his own serial murder(s).
And it worked, all four detectives used it to follow leads that all helped bring London to not be bombed. But again, this isn’t a recap so why is this important? There are key differences between all the deepThroaters: Elias, Defoe and Iris (and Hasan technically but is irrelevant). Elias is different from Dafoe and Iris in that to some capacity, they both have a grasp on quantum mechanics. Defoe is obsessed over it as much as he is with having romanticles with Iris (personally prefer Paul Rudd. Antman anyone?). And Iris herself might not be writing a dissertation anytime soon but she knows enough about quantum mechanics from crashing Defoe’s lecture and her brief “what’s fate?” talks with him at her house and the Throat basement. Whereas there were no scenes or clues Elias knew any at all. So it makes sense why Defoe was able to send more than just his 1890 self into the past. He already knew he wasn’t going to make it so it only made sense making multiples of himself to drop into multiple dates in time, thereby increasing his chances on fixing Elias’ villainous plans. And the key difference between Dafoe and Iris is that they are playing a game of cat and mouse, where inherently Defoe as the mouse doesn’t know where Iris is going but to some degree, Iris does know where the mouse is going and thus where or when she needs to go. The line “Caught you” Iris says to Dafoe when she anticipated his last jump says as much.
So that sets the stage of why 2023 Iris wasn’t erased after the bomb not detonating and the world Thanos’d everything but her. Iris knew you could drop multiple bodies into different dates in time. Be it luck or intentionally, the 2053 Iris who jumped into the Throat, which again the universe from that point on established as universal truth and thus impervious to being erased, also dropped a 2023 Iris body presumably AFTER the decision to not detonate the bomb AND the final erasing. It wasn’t before because again, that was when she lived in a reality where spine implants existed. As implied by her being dropped in 1890 naked, her body was already established as a universal truth in this timeline but her implants are not. Universal truth says the Iris body that was dropped in 1890 needed the implants but what about one that gets dropped in 2023 after Elias decides to not detonate the bomb and older Hasan and young Elias already disappeared? It would seem universal truth only takes the natural naked body to travel in time but not external byproducts like a spine implant (no explanation on the in-house tattoo parlor in Throat world though). So this 2023 Iris in the last scene is seen driving a car, one where such implants currently do not exist, so it’s reasonable to conclude she has natural working legs and she must’ve arrived only after Elias’ decision and the universal recalibration.
Universal recalibration, universal truth.. I sound like a cult leader.
As for the KYAL sign, just because all that happened in the new universal truth timeline reneged everything that Mannix had done with the bomb doesn’t mean KYAL can not exist in and of itself. They are not mutually exclusive. Maybe there’s another organization or force behind the scenes under the same banner. Maybe Elias planted that as his other last gesture. Maybe there’s an altogether different KYAL that’s not hellbent on blowing up London because mommy didn’t want to come to the door. Maybe any good time hopping scifi needs one thing to get people into writing a long unsolicited rant on CZcams. The flickering KYAL neon sign really is the last true unexplained cliffhanger the show ends on.
Of course all of this is speculative. Possible I got it all wrong and nothing could be further from the truth, universal or otherwise. The only truth we know is Iris is the Throat GOAT of 2023.
Iris, for more than once, mentioned that it would be unfair to save the half million in 2023 by erasing many in 2053. She might have always had her own secret plan to save her own family and herself from being erased from the future. She could be the next villain in the new loop.
This KYAL can be iris' doing. She needs to go into the Throat in 2053. So she has to set that up from the past too.
The fact that the universe has to ignore everything but that 2053 Iris went travelled in order to fix the timeline makes my head hurt a little less. But I still have something in mind. I may not be thinking or understand it correctly, but to me it makes sense that ALL Irises would also disappear. Why? Well, let's start with Elias so you can understand how I'm looking at things. His existence is a paradox in and of itself, isn't it? If he needed his older self to kick start his own existence, then how tf did the loop started in the first place? Going back to fixing the timeline then, I think that since they stopped Elias the timeline should update/reset. So no Elias=no reason for Iris to travel=the true/original timeline where none of the events of the show happened and they all just lived their without time hopping dilemmas. Does that make the slightest bit of sense or am I tripping?
You are the Comment GOAT of 2023, this was so interesting to read, I love the explanations!
Bro I can’t with the title lmfao😭😭
Brilliant show! Would’ve loved to have seen London in 2053 after the loop had been destroyed, I wonder if it would have been so technologically advanced!
Probably. Just because the UK has a political upheaval didn't mean the rest of the world wasn't carrying on as usual. Technology would still have advanced the same unless some things were specifically British inventions, like the time machine I suppose.
How did 9/11 impact technology advancement? You could make the case that it accelerated it, due to government investment in surveillance capabilities. Biometrics certainly advanced quicker IMO. While 9/11 wasn't a nuke, it did have a seminal impact on society and trust in institutions and rise in authoritarianism that continues to reverberate through all aspects of our lives 22 years later, so it's a lens through which you can see the 2023 blast.
@@dankeeney425 Same thing was achieved with 2020's fearmongering. Using the placebo effect, all the mediums scared the living h*** outta people and made them wear muzzles, get jabbed, and stay far away from each other, all the while making them trust the governments even more.
Now the majority either wear them, dangle them around their necks, play with them using their hands, or keep them in their pockets like madmen.
This is what humanity has achieved.
There are two things I don't understand: 1. Why does Defoe travel through time in several different time points, but Elias only travels through one? 2. How did it all even begin? After all, if Elias had to be in 1890 for him to be born in the future, how in the first time loop ever created - could he exist at all and go back in time to create it? He was not even supposed to exist... If there is no 40-year-old Elias in 1890, then there is no 15-year-old Elias in 2023, and without 15-year-old Elias, there is no 40-year-old Elias...
the grandfather paradox
@@Kayf13Is it not called the bootstrap paradox?
That's the problem with all these time travel shows, it never makes sense
@@jaythelap6089Its kind of both, its the grandfather in his lineage and the bootstrap in the events that occur to cause
I think your asking the wrong question. Elias exists because his older self always went back in time and shagged his great grandma… that always happened and had to in order for him to exist. The real question is how does Maplewood going back in time change the timeline when no one else does… according to the time travel rules of the show maplewood going back in time should have simply always happened. She shouldn’t have been able to change anything because as far as we have been shown no one can. But yet she can just for convenience it seems. So that’s the part that doesn’t make sense.
At least Dark had an explanation 😂
Those who try to explain this by saying that the timeline is paradoxical therefore it always existed as an endless loop is bunk. The timeline has to begin somewhere, unless we agree that there are an infinite number of timelines in existence at the same time. The beginning of the original timeline can’t be 2053, because without Elias already having travelled back to 1890 then the 2053 timeline as we know it, does not exist, and neither would Elias in order for him to go back in time. And similarly, Elias cannot begin his loop in 1890 as he had knowledge of the future that he could not have unless he had come back from the future first (let alone being born).
Maplewood driving in the taxi that picks up Hasan is plausible as like Defoe and Elias, she has spilt into the different time periods (including the future) and so of course she knows who she is. And I think this is the point of the ending. The moment the characters go into the Throat, they are split into the future in the same way as the past, like a mirror image in time, backwards and forwards (hence also why we glimpse the year tick up to 3000 for a moment). On this logic, with the breaking of the loop, any future Elias’s would also cease to exist. This would mean though that there are multiple Maplewoods. The KYAL (know you are loved) on the skyscraper at the ending in 2023 is a nice question mark.
Although a clever and enjoyable plot, there hasn’t yet been any explanation in the show, or any ‘review’ that has yet closed the Elias paradox to logically explain how the first loop began. Maybe it will come if another season is made.
Season 2 could explain how the original time loop started. Presumably, someone who wasn't Elias traveled back in time, met Polly, and created the timeloop. I found this on Reddit which was interesting:
Due to the nature of the series' plot, this entire post will be a spoiler, so...be warned.
This theory requires the acceptance that a significant amount of chance/coincidence occurs.
So, we know that Elias Mannix is central to a stable time loop. He is his own great-great-whatever grandfather. But how did it begin? Where did he come from? That's what this theory intends to speculate on.
Let's start by creating an original timeline, and then explaining how it transitions into the loop without collapsing.
The timeline begins with Mannix's original family tree. In fact, his name isn't Mannix here. Hell, it's basically a completely different person. However, his youth was VERY similar to Elias'. For the sake of reducing confusion, I will refer to this person as Notlias (not Elias). He had a single mother, and due to various circumstances, he has a troubled youth. In 2023, a terrorist group sets off one or more bombs. This group is NOT the Know You Are Loved cult - they do not exist in this original timeline. This bombing, while not as big as the nuclear bomb seen on the show, is still significant enough to result in a future where the people have willingly given up various freedoms for the sake of security. Notlias grows up and ends up in a position of authority. The Throat is discovered, maybe by scientists including Gabriel Defoe, and after they figure out it is a time portal via small scale tests, Notlias uses his position of power to find out all about it from them.
Notlias forms a plan - to travel back through time, manipulate the past, and create an alternate version of the present that is more secure, prosperous, and he has more authority/power to create the England he believes would be best. And so he does travel back.
His plan:
- Use knowledge of the future (past) to secure finances
- use finances and 'predictions' to build a cult to ensure his plans continue after his death
- Make a family so he can feel loved, something he lacked in his troubled youth
Notlias travels back to 1891. Unfortunately he hadn't been able to find records of his family tree in his own time. They had either been misplaced, destroyed (intentionally or not), or otherwise lost at some point. He meets Polly, immediately falling for her (and her for him), while not knowing she's his ancestor. This happens a significant amount of time before she was due to meet his other ancestor. In this time, he slowly moves his plan forward. He sets up the cult, and ensures his family tree records are well-kept. Notlias and Polly eventually conceive. This conception solidifies their partnership, meaning Polly will never look romantically at Notlias' other ancestor, were they to meet.
This causes a shift in the timeline. The original timeline has now been pushed aside. You may be thinking, would Notlias now cease to exist? My opinion is no, and I will now explain why.
Let's skip ahead in time. 2023. The new version of Notlias' family tree results in the existence of Elias (the one we see in the series). He has a different appearance and personality to Notlias, but due to the extremely similar circumstances of his youth, his life is very similar to Notlias'. The terrorist bombing occurs again, but this time the cult has a hand in ensuring it would happen. In other words, the bombing itself has not changed - only its origin has. Elias grows up, and eventually gets into a position of power. Much like Notlias, he makes a plan to travel back in time, only this time he has access to his family tree history. The cult at this point reveals themselves, using The Throat to back their claims regarding Elias' grandfather paradox. With the cult's help, Elias creates a more elaborate plan than Notlias did in the original timeline, this time to better groom/prepare his younger self for what he will accomplish in adulthood, as well as create a larger bombing event which will further solidify his position of authority in his adult life.
Now we go back to Notlias. Why doesn't he simply cease to exist, along with all of his actions in the past? Well, the answer is simple. When Notlias changed his family tree by having a child with Polly, it rewrote the timeline. Even if Notlias' actions didn't have any impact in 2023 (the cult etc), Elias would still traveled back in time, enacting the same plan Notlias did.
Altering the start of a time loop affects the end, and altering the end of a time loop affects the start.
Because Notlias and Elias would do the same thing if they existed completely independently of each other - traveling back and altering the past by having a baby with Polly - Notlias' actions aren't erased. Instead, at the moment of conception, Notlias would retroactively change into Elias.
The family tree change kicks Notlias out of the timeline, as his ancestry has changed. Elias, the new part of the timeline, travels back and does the exact same thing. Because Elias does the same thing, the timeline doesn't break and erase him. Instead, it replaces one time traveler with another, who maintains his own existence by doing the same thing.
Remember, this is a time loop. The moment Notlias changes the timeline by impregnating Polly, the new timeline exists, including Elias having traveled back through time to marry and impregnate Polly. Elias (unlike Notlias), having had access to his family tree history before traveling back in time, is able to formulate the plan we see enacted in the series, with the nuclear bomb.
To summarise:
- A man similar to Elias we call Notlias, travels back in time in an effort to secure a more powerful position, further entrench the 'freedom given up for security' future, and ensure he is loved.
- Notlias, lacking knowledge of his family tree, secures that knowledge once he's in the past so he can better plan in future iterations of the loop
- Accidentally replaces one of his own ancestors, erasing himself from the timeline.
- Notlias' descendant, Elias, grows up similarly and makes the same plan to travel back through time, this time with knowledge of his family tree.
- Even without Notlias' influence, Elias would have done the same thing. Because the timeline change affects both the start and end of the loop simultaneously, the loop remains stable since it was now always Elias who did what Notlias did
- The series then takes place as we see it
So if Notelias shaged Polly, how does Notelias give birth to Elias. Still has some errors.
ok but the moment notelias interact with polly boom thats it he is gone because he wouldnt be born because polly wouldn't meet the right person
Thank you for your comment. I enjoyed reading this theory 😌
It's a Limited Series, so there won't be a season 2
I loved this series. Some continuity issues but what a cast. What a clever premise. KYAL. “…in my world you could hold hands. You could make love.” Hell, I would have been in Mannix’s cult too!
I did love that out of everything at least Maddox wasn't Homophobic. I did try to read the graphic to see if the baseline time problem had an answer, but i jumped around more then the show.
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Sorry,@@charleshamilton9274, just my lame attempt at a joke, I apologize for any offense.
@@erniebornheimer - And I was too quick to overreact. My apologies to you.
Thank you, Charles!
There is no explaining in this video. You just told the obvious plot.
The throat might have split Mannix and we only got to see the 1890's Mannix's story. So i think the ending might have been caused by the other Mannix who was split and went to future (most probably in 2216)
ooh i hope this means series 2 is a'coming...
There would not be an Elias Manix in 2053 to go back or forward 163 years. He was deleted from existence.
Defoe was split because of the bullet entering the Throat at the time of his departure. Mannix was split because of the bullet in his leg. Maplewood was more than likely split because of the spine. So there are tons of possibilities that could cause KYAL to appear in 2023. Another Mannix could have started it. Personally I think Maplewood may have started it because she seemed to believe in what Mannix was doing with the KYAL cult. Either way, there is so much that could be done with this story if they do to a 2nd season. I do wonder what the source material was and if it was different than the show. May have to locate the graphic novel.
Why most probably in 2026?
I'd like to see a feature length prequel, showing a chronological look at the very first timline/life of Elias from 2023 - 2051 - which is an aspect that wasn't shown or explored at all. He sets off the nuke, so what happens after that (how does he escape jail) and how does he get to the commander position we see him in by 2051? They could also show the other period of the first jump back to 1889 and what happens between then and 1941, which is essentially the second half of his life and leads to his death.
@jaybsproductions9068 I've seen enough anime to know that sometimes less is more. Overexplaining things that are better left to the imagination is an easy way to kill a show.
I really liked the first episodes before it is revealed that the whole thing is a "necessary loop", from there it lost me a bit.
I don't like it much because:
a) this kind of time travel is simply not possible, it would lead to a miriad of impossible scenarios:
1 - Ellia's mother crying about her non-existing child that disappeared in front of him (if he never existed, what is she crying about? she wouldn't know him at all, same for Hasan being shocked about her future self disappearing)
2 - When Whiteman carved in his clue, past Hassan (2023) would've seen them as well, yet this seems to have no effect and only future Hassan got affected
3 - Everytime there's a cycle, you have a problem: if Ellias is a result of Ellias existing, where did the "first" Ellias come from? If Ellias' existence is what prompted Maplewood to travel back in time, then surely if Ellias ceased to exist, Maplewood wouldn't travel back in time, which would lead to Ellias existing which...
4 - The point in time where the "cause" leads to the "effect" is arbitrary. For example: why did Ellias only disappear after he did not make the call? And you say, because him not making the call - "cause" - leads to not all people dying -"effect", which is also "cause" because - leads to future Ellias not creating KYAL yada yada. But then, why did we have to wait for Ellias not to make that call? That was also an effect of Hassan finding the record, which was the effect of Karl hiding it, which was the effect of... You get where I'm going with this, there is no rule for when the "switch" should happen and reality gets "updated" to match the new time loop. The most reasonable approach (but not altogether reasonable, still, due to point 3) is that as soon as Maplewood got sent back in time, we would see future Hassan and Dafoe immediately snapping to a KYAL-less society.
And so on, it's really easy to come up with these...
b) Because of a), the plot can be arbitrarily "complex", not so much due to clever writing, but because you can twist how time travel works to suit your plot. You can tell that by how they keep going on about how hard and impossible it is to break the loop, and that the universe simply wants to stay on track, yet it seemed as easy as having Hillinghead telling Julian/Ellias that it was all a lie. Makes you question what they even tried to do before or if the Universe was suddenly distracted looking at some supernova happening in a neighboring galaxy.
I realise this kind of show has a degree of suspension of belief that is required, but it just makes it all a bit too arbitrary and, in my view, pointless.
That being said, I still enjoyed it, and, outside of the time travel paradoxes, I really liked how they fit the 4 time periods together.
perfect summary my guy
@@ali8142 surprising what humans can come up with when bored 😂
Did you even watch the show? The scene where elias and future hasan disapeared that loop was broken. It just showed us a few glimpse of what happened and then the time went back to what seems the first episode where hasan will go to some ralley. That will be the new timeline without elias.
Your argument no 2: 2023 hassan did saw the carving but did not realized the significance of it until she saw the old records and in 2053.
Its an awesome show if you would understand the time paradox, free will ,grandfather paradox etc.
Pls do watch dark you would much appreciate time travel as much as this.
@elcidabiera9751
For your entire paragraph about the "reset", I understand that, but I don't see how that's relevant to anything I've said
The grandfather paradox is the literal explanation of why this type of cyclical time travel isn't possible, or at least it's a way to show how it's beyond reasoning, so not sure what you meant with that. You're basically telling me "if you understood this concept that is all about explaining why this can't work, you'd understand why it works", it's a contradiction.
Regarding free will, well, the characters in the show talk about it and make some good points (which I actually agree with, I don't think there is free will, just the illusion of it) but then there is absolutely no consequence to it in the show, maybe you can elaborate how the show incorporates free will in its narrative? I'd understand if they followed the common cliché of "you have no control, you will simply do what you have always done in previous loops" but that's not what happens, so free will is simply left a topic shortly discussed in one episode and nothing more.
Finally the 2023 Hassan argument, maybe you're right, I only recall her seeing the carvings of Hillinghead, but I won't insist, my memory of the show isn't super clear at this point.
I enjoyed but I'd describe it as 2 parts Dark and 1 part Terminator without Arnie. Fun, but not as thought-provoking as Dark. My biggest criticism is we don't see enough of Mannix's fascist future where according to him (or someone) everyone can be cared for if they allow it. I'd have liked a deeper look into that world especially from Iris' pov. She's lonely, but is that a good enough reason to wipe out an entire society? Or more should've been shown about what are Defoe and the Chapel are fighting for and why.
I think we signed off of the future in 2053. It is quite like 1984. In 1984 the book, there are the people who haves bought into The System, as has Maplewood, and then there are the Proles, who have not, like her wheelchair-bound clever brother. So we know the 2053 future already. And the twist, with Maplewood driving the car, suggests that Maplewood is not as "good" as she seems, just like Hacker/Mannix isn't as "bad".
So a 2nd Season is all set-up. Wouldn't it be nice?
I really LOVED this show. I think the "twist" is reconciling the 3 different Maplewood instances. The one making the difference is the version in the 1800's, the future one ceases to exist and so we are left with just one unaccounted for - the 2023 Maplewood.
It’s a shame they couldn’t go back to 1885 and pose for a photo with Doc Emmett Brown and Marty McFly next to the Hill Valley Clock over in America.
What a waste of The Throat! 😂
This wasn’t an explanation, more like a sinopsis or recap…
Loved this show; the ending in particular. Several things that were not explained, however - or I missed it. What was the significance of the hash marks on the bodies' wrists and where did they come from? Why does Mannix care about the body in 1941 and why mess with Whiteman? Why use Hasan to prompt Elias instead of one of the cult members?
Whiteman was important for how and when he dies so the timeline/loop stays the same, then messed with him to trigger the events that lead him up to it.. or so I think
The markings were acquired when people travelled through the throat.
The biggest question is how come when maplewood travels back in time it creates a new time line when none of the others did. They just ended up where they always ended up… she does it and all of a sudden can change things? That doesn’t make an sense to me given the time travel rules of the show
@@joshhunt4146 I believe it’s because she did it outside the loop, creating a bigger loop. Everyone else tried to change the events while within the loop and the ‘universe’ couldn’t let it happen
@@TheMYGTheoryI think the key was that she did it incorporating the future ; waiting the four days and then going back. She was definitely far beyond the loop then, and her loop cancels out the first one as such.
Everyone else was trying to focus on the past. She looked ahead and waited for the future
this isn't Explaining the ending, it's Describing the ending! No explanation for Maplewood being in 2023, no explanation for KYAL still lit on the side of the building. You are a disappointment. I shan't bother with this channel again.
I just want to say that I felt so sorry for Elias...that poor kid broke my heart. The actor executed perfectly the role, i was really crying seeing him be used by his father, rejected once again by his mother, and when he finally got his happy ending, he had to vanish and not actually get his happy ending...idk it just felt so real, the saddnes of all the kids actually going through the same...kids don't ask to be born. My heart broke a little 'cause, how many kids feel the same way in reality?
Things that I didn’t understand;
1- How he can be the same guy after all ? He is his grand grand father or someshit, but come on how does he look the same in 2053?
2- How defou can appear in 1941 and 2023? Let’s say those are the other attemps of him trying to stop Elias, but Elias never travels to those timelines ?
3- Knocking the 2023 Elias down and locking him up somewhere should be easier right ? Why all the trouble ?
4- How the Maplewood drives a car in 2023 with no aging and no legs? Lets assume her future version just wanted to come and check the 2023 for fun, why?
1. I did wonder why the KYAL sign was still in the last scene. Maybe they altered time but KYAL still prevailed in a different way??
2. If Defoe was sent to 4 timelines in the past and at least 1 timeline in the future. Then did Mannix, as well?
Maybe I answered my own first question…
It could make for an interesting sequel.
Mannix found another way to start KYAL
Didn’t have to be a genocide
My theory is that Maplewood had traveled back in time and created KYAL (she was a true believer after all), she did in early enough that it was "a thing" by 2023 (but not dramatically enough for future-Hasan to notice when she went back to 2023). So Mannix really did completely disappear, but he still had an effect through his disciple Maplewood (who managed to create KYAL evidently without immense loss of life).
I figured the final KYAL was an acknowledgement that the universe resists changes in the loop. It's kind of what Stephen King did in 11.22.63 -- different things would happen that would diminish the impact of small, subtle changes. Even killing Elias may not stop a nuke if the universe wants a nuke.
@@dankeeney425 I mostly agree. I think the universe wanted KYAL, so KYAL happened. But the universe didn't care how it happened, so in the new timeline, it got KYAL without a nuke.
When did the loop start?
Nothing explains the marks that appears on the persons forearm when they go through the throat. Wonder why they would have left that glaring unexplained nugget. Also, being a loop, I wonder why there is no indication as to how many times they've been through the loop. Doesn't really matter, but they seem to hint to it being multiple times. That was the like the ONE thing I thought for sure they'd answer. WTH are these strike marks that magically appear on people that go through the throat? And did they ever appear on Mannix? Also, a glaring hole is that when you go through the throat, you are split. One into the future, one into the past. The one in the present is no more. They never really address what happens to future Mannix. They really don't mention that at all. And also, if there are only two from one, why are there four instances of this murder to investigate? They never address how they set the destination time period, or if it even matters. But this is just sloppy to me that they leave so much to question. I enjoyed the short series but to me it felt like sloppy and lazy writing. It gave me the impression they didn't really care about the viewer to the extent that they wanted the viewer to feel satisfied. To focus so much on those marks, so much on the splitting of the person, and to have such glaring unanswered questions... unforgiveable.
When you look at the throat at some clips it seems like the same symbol that is on the arm appears in the throat. I guess everyone that went trough the throat was marked. I enjoyed the show and it leaves a lot of questions unaswered but i feel like that is okay to let it be a mystery
the fact that the throat, a time machine built by a scientist, suddenly draws cute tatttoos on people's wrists, borders on magic and fantasy, not sci fi. It could have tied their hair with a pink bow or given them a haircut by the same token. Why doesn't everyone get a tattoo? Nothing makes sense.
someone grab the writer and persuade him to make season 2. He just recently announced he wont do that.
The story is complete, why drag on to a mediocre season 2?
Video didnt cover the ending like i wanted it to so here are my thought, I would like to hear yours as well.
-Before Mapleword goes into the Throat, she mentions how she is going to die in the 1890 time period. From what i could tell she obviously was not happy about this. Flash forward to the 2023 taxi scene where she is scene driving, i began to wonder, how is she still alive 133 years after 1890? This is where i am thinking the twist occurs. Maplewood did not want to be restricted to dying in the 1890 period. So, she created a loop just like Elias Mannix did, so that she coukd come back to present day times just like Elias wanted to do.
Those are my thought, please let me know what you think of this, I've gotta figure this out lol
This scene raises many questions. As you pointed, Maplewood has not aged after 133 years so this suggests this is a different version of herself. Also she is driving in 2023 which also suggests she can use her legs but the required tech has not been invented yet so the tech is not needed which supports the first theory. Also the letters "KYAL" in the background came from Mannix but he doesn't exist anymore so this suggests that someone with prior knowledge of the event is responsible and this points to Maplewood, but why??
Defoe was split into many timelines because he was shot and too weak to time travel properly.
The same thing happened to Iris; when she time travelled, her Spyne thing broke and she was also weakened. She probably was split into other timelines too. The 2023 one is most likely to thrive since her disability would have made things difficult in earlier times
@vickicee6815 True , however, according to the plot, time travel occurs both directions in time simultaneously. Maplewood travelled from 2053 to 1890. With this in mind, her "other" version would have travelled forward in time rather than to 2023.
The only two possible ways she can be present in 2023 is by 1: creating a loop from the 1890 version same as Mannix or 2: by her 2053 version travelling back to 2023, but this plot crashes because she would have been a cripple (unable to drive) as you cant time travel with anything and the tech needed for her to walk was not invented yet.
My first thought was to that the taxi driver Maplewood is a different version of her that came from the altered future and her presence in 2023 hints that not everything is hunky dory in the future.
@@vickicee6815why would the 2023 most likely to thrive acc to you? Cause i think the spyne still wasn't invented.
Moreover, how would the KYAL come into being if its creater mannix is dead?
Mannix was so badass he was his own grand grandfather. Beat that, Chuck Norris!
He fucked his great great great great great great granny...
What is kind of weird is that they don't explained why ester (the girl) was killed in the first place. Was it only for the purposes of driving the cop crazy. That wouldn't really make to much since because manxs could always just kill himself.
Because she had seen Whitman with the body of Defoe and she could tell that to the police so she was a loose end that could change the time loop
My two cents at all these is...first Elias travels 164 years in past (1889 and not 1890) and 164 years to 2053 future as well...and so is the case with others (they all travel in future as well) except Defoe who splits in multiple time periods due to the shot in the eye (probably splitting him into 4 time periods in the past as well as 4 in the future). However all the future versions of the characters get destroyed (except 4 days into future version of Defoe who is crucial in changing timelines) due to change in the 2023 timeline. As for the Maplewood appearing in the end of the series in 2023 that can be just interpreted as a red herring (just to create a buzz for season 2) because we cannot definitely say that she's Maplewood since we don't see her whole face, (she could be some other individual with the eyes and forehead similar looking to Maplewood) if we want to believe the series is a limited one. As for the KYAL, it can be just interpreted as a corporation that makes prosthetics for the people with disabilities that comes into an existence with the changed timeline. In case creators wish to make another season, we can interpret that this ending showed us Maplewood driving the car in the end who might have ended up in 2023 as Defoe was too much in love with her and went 163 years in future to 2053 to meet her and somehow they travelled to 2023 to strive to preserve their 2053 timeline or so. However I still wanna believe in my former explanation and the series to be a limited one.
I loved this show. The acting was stellar, and, amazingly, Stephen Graham, despite exercising his usual impressive skill, wasn't definitively the best actor in the show. There were quite a lot of anachronisms, and (LP recording in 1941, various types of electric light in the wrong place at the wrong time for example) which made me wonder if there are deeper, more subtle changes to the timeline which could explain the twist at the end, and could be usefully explored and resolved in season 2.
What about 78rpm discs? Couldn't those be used to record on like they transcribed some old time radio shows?
Interesting show...you really had to pay attention! The ambiguous twists (DS Maplewood from the future driving the cab of 2023 and the KYAL sign on the building in the distance) are either red herrings...or a clever device to allow Netflix to green light another season and more episodes if season 1 is popular enough!
Interesting but what would season 2 be about other than just a way to make money from the show?
And apparently Netflix already canceled ot because it didn't get the numbers needed in its first 24 hours. Something I read in a different comment section don't know how true it is since in my country it still has the s recently added sticker
Thought it said limited series. Means wrapped up. I like that bc of investing time in too many shows that got cancelled or waited two yrs for a season. No thanks.
@@KingBasieSims4season 2 would be the reason why Maplewood was in the taxi. Maybe she’s the new mannix, it would be something like that. Or that could be it, like you say and there’s not another season
Also, netflix will always get a show back if it’s wanted that badly because they know it will get the views
@HumberNortonand no unfortunately not. it's a limited miniseries there won't be any sequels the story ended like this. It's a shame because I would have sent some stories forward. possibly they could do a spin-off or a new story about two favorite characters but they won't do any more seasons, like the chess queen
I liked the show, however as every show that deals with time travel has its issues.
Main one for me was that we never see how was original loop created. There must have been a timeline where in 2023 bomb doesn't explode, and Elias has a horrible life,that makes him who he is, and then in 2053 he somehow manages to travel back into 1890, and decides to start the loop.
Don't really get how 1941 Elias knew about events of 2023 in great details, how he knew about every single event, almost like he lived through these events from 3rd perspective, for example how he knew that Elias will be on a boat listening to him on a recorder.
Also, what about butterfly effect of removing Elias from history? He did create a bank that had lots of influence over the time, and made many people very powerful.
One more thing that was never explained was why Defoe appeared 4 times, through time, but Elias and Maplewood only once.
Overall, series was good, and f they make a 2nd season I will defiantly watch it, I just hope they won't go too deep into time loops etc. sometimes simpler is better.
I too was in shock, when the fairies revealed themselves
I’m coming back to this comment in 2053…
For those who don't know this show is adapted from a comic book of the same name published by DC/Vertigo Comic. Consists of 8 issues. Give it a try👍
Think I’m gonna have to rewatch this, I have so many questions.
One is why did they have to kill the little girl in 1941?
Exactly! My wife and I just finished watching the whole series tonight, and we still don't understand that. What did she know? How did she fit in the whole loop? 🤷
@@Ronjrg I think it is to catalyst DS Whiteman to shoot down the old Sir. Julian
I loved this show left a lot of opportunities for continuation.
- There were 4 bodies, meaning there are also for Dafoes in the future. There must be another Mayplewood too. There has to be another Elias in the future.
Would be nice for season 2 to have detectives from the eras 1920s 1980s and 2000s.
I must be dumb, but I don't understand why there had to be four different time periods with the professor showing up dead in an alley in each one.
there wasnt any real reason, i think when the bullet entered the throat it caused some anomaly making his body split identically in other timelines, it wasnt planned, it was just strange luck i guess
It was a malfunction cause she shot him while entering the throat, he appeared in all & timeliness
At the scene where he was teaching he explains how that anomaly can split and duplicate exact atoms or something like that, can t really remember word for word but it suggest the spliting with the throat. It was never really explained in the movie. Maybe it was introduced as a drama factor or a key component to chain all the events together, otherwise there would be no actual interaction between all the detectives and mannix could finish his plan without creating the loop.
makes some sense, I guess. thanks.
Makes some sense, I guess. Thanks.@@Lil_heidi
My theory for the end is that they have to now fix the initial timeline that the original Elias used to get to the timeline that they were at
I have a question, I can't get my head around Mannix being in the future if he was born because the future Mannix went back to have a child in 1890, so how could there be any Mannix if he had to go back to create himself? My head hurts thinking about, please explain.... Great show though, really enjoyed it. Loved all the characters; the actors, and director did amazing jobs.
I’m also confused about the same
Grandfather paradox, since di cycle has been broken (so Maddox is never born), there should nor in the future nor in the past the presence of Maddox, so how did Maddox originated in the first place? It's only explainable by multiple dimensions iterations
I was confused at the end because I thought it was Hillinghead's daughter Polly who he allowed onto the Police wagon.
only thing i didn't really get is how mannix existed in the first place. how do you go back in time if you never were born? like it would be one thing if he was already some dude and then went back and started a new family tree, but we're to believe he's his own great great grandfather...
The ending was perfect ❤❤❤
how did the loop start?
You know when the young cop meets her older version and then the older version and young mannix disappear, wouldn’t the younger cop also disappear since she wouldn’t find herself in this position (she would be elsewhere doing her usual thing).
I just think there’s lot inconsistent logic in the end of the show here.
she disappeared and "found herself" back in her house before the demonstration happened where she found Defoes body
Sooo
1) When and how did the original Elias come to be for the loop to begin?
2) How was it that Dafou traveled to multiple timelines but only once 4 days in the future? And how come the same did not apply to anyone else? Including Elias.
3) Also, the Throat was under government control. How did Shaz and co. Manage to use it to go back to 2023? 🤔
it is like the egg or the hen came first😂
How was Elias able to travel back in time in the first place and create the first loop with all the consequences leading to 2053?
And in the end why did he need to go back in time through the throat? To make sure that the loop never gets broken by the revolutionists and Defoe?
he goes back to inpregnate polly to restart the loop of hayden being born, giving birth to barbers father then barber then elias
No one is explaining how the loop was created in the first place. By that I mean how was he commander Mannix to begin with?
I really liked the brilliant series. and with a good ending. It's a shame they won't make more seasons, when a series works it's a great shame not to see a sequel but I can't complain about Netflix lately I've seen a lot of good series
This tv show is just a great thanks Netflix ❤❤
These time travel paradoxes always give me bad headaches. Dafoe's body ending up in different years made sense within the show.
Did anyone else think they were all experiencing "deja vu" at the end?
Missed the KYAL at the end. Season 2? If not, I'm satisfied.
“To build his version of the future”- what version? The one he IS living?? Because he is the supreme leader, he already created a society in his liking. That’s the reality everyone lives in. So for what reason does he need to go back??? To achieve a goal he has already achieved??????? You say he time travel in 2053, 30 years after the bomb and after he takes over…..
how did everyone miss this HUGE hole in the plot?
What a fantastic show!
Why do the bodies show up at the intervals they do? Defoe pops up in 1890, then 51 years later in 1941 and then not 51 years later in 1992 but 83 years later in 2023 and then finally 30 years later in 2053 doesn't seem to be any sequence or obvious reasoning for the time of when his bodies appeared and in a show like this they usually would have tried explaining it in their version of time travel science what's the body or bodies between '41 and 2023?
Shahara kills everyone in the end. She is the key. Watch the last scene; she calls her father, who has the same phone number as the one that triggered the nuclear bomb. It's she who activates the bomb once it's set, not Elias. The story repeats itself. Endlessly. It's the key to this tale.
Nooo Elias stole the mobile to activate the nuke
damn didnt notice this detail about the phone number!!
No it's not the same number
@@mddanishanwar7263 I check two time. Same phone number.
Episode 3 I turned to my wife and said that this is basically back to the future 2 and that Mannix is essentially Biff but he manipulates stock exchange instead of sports betting. The only real mystery was who shot him but I felt a little disappointed when I finished and realized that the predictions I made in episode 4 were pretty spot on.
Do you know what the words you use to describe your video mean?
I tried really hard with this show but in episode 6 I came to the conclusion that I had absolutely no idea what was going on 😂
So I gave up and watched this ‘explaination’ … I still don’t understand 🤭
Make recap video of The Crown from season 1 to season 5
So is there a 2nd season? Because it doesn’t explain Maplewood’s ending.
Great series. But why keep the dead body in the tube? Who made the time portal and if Elies never existed how was he alive?. Thank you cause I need to understand.
The one thing that I did not understand was why the young, jewish girl Ester needed to be killed.
To make the police officer mad and make him murder the old lady and the old guy
Maybe I missed something but the final episode simply doesn’t make sense to me… all the way through the show everything that happens happens… the timeline can’t seemed to be changed because when they try they just end up causing the thing they are trying to prevent… so what makes the final attempt any different. How were the time travel rules allowed to be broken? I need a better answer than ‘they just were.’ Haha… when maplewood goes back in time how does that create a new timeline when none of the others did?
Yes i have same question
The loop exists let’s say for decades what eventually happened that caused Iris to change and travel back in time unless this is not a loop and happens for the first time
I came to the conclusion that the show advocates suicide. The tormented teen learns that things will never get better and that he will only go on to hurt others, and that the world will be a better place without him. Consequently he erases himself.
Because he was a bad person, a lot.of people had a horrible childhood and they don't become bad people....even the opposite...
So if he had to go back in time to exist. How did he go back in time the first time? If he did not exist.
Such a 🔥 series
How come Hasan didn't find Whiteman's inscription in 2023 when she found Hillinghead's?
We need fucking inside job season 3 or some shit like that
Soooo, when’s season 2? 😏
That defeats purpose of limited series. But they really should've chose a diff ending....
@@SaunterVaguelyDown A different ending, like what in your opinion?
Like not one that leaves a little hanger for a second season if there isn’t going to be one
I know right 😅
@@SaunterVaguelyDownMy guess is they will have another limited series that is connected to the original, maybe how it all started.
How comes elias’ mum remains alive after the time change?
She wasn’t part of the bloodline
It was only her baby daddy affected
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That's not an explanation. You are describing. The one thing not explained is how the dr professor is split and every body else isn't. Did i miss something?
I don't really like that ending of this series, in fact, I hate it. It doesn't make any sense. As the scientist explained, everything they do already happened, therefore it's impossible to change anything in the past. This makes total sense as in a time loop the future is required for the past to happen. But suddenly this universal rule becomes irrelevant and Hillinghead is able to change the interaction he had with Harker?! This is just wrong and based on their own rules, not possible. It feels like they just wanted to have a happy ending at all cost.
I had the exact same issue with the series "Dark" as it also broke their own rules in the final episode.
I mean, I get it that time travel in itself is not possible, but that doesn't mean you are allowed to break all the rules just because you feel like it.
This show and dark are a lil similar need more of this !😊
That looks good
If you enjoyed this, go watch dark. Even more twisted timeline!
Please enable auto-generated captions at the very least. Much appreciated.
When she go in the time machine we see her split in three maplewood do this there a other timeline
But you didnt explain the ending....
Who created the loop ? 🤯🤯
Still can't understand why young Elias Manix has to disappear.. He would have probably lived out his life and would not travel back.. Young Elias Mannix is not part of the throat system, but a natural born.. He would have become old Manix would not go back.
Because he is the one who started his own bloodline in 1890, so if he wasn't there, his son would not be born and then he would not be born because his father never existed, because he did not exist in 1890, so his birth never happend
Good show when you're just watching it without much critical thinking. However when critical thinking comes into play - how did the loop happen in the first place? It needs an initial action for the loop to happen but he never existed? I guess it's the grandfather paradox and there is no answer.
The loop is a paradox, it happens because it happens
It’s 1941, not 1943….
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If I didn’t do it in 2023 in the end shouldn’t only the future change? Why the heck did the post change as well ? Such an a*s pull it doesn’t even try to make sense
Bc the body never arrived in the past which was the starting point of the cascade of events in each timeline my guy
*spoiler*
Is anyone else still slightly baffled as to what the adoptive mother does in the interview room? Why? What was the point of this?
It feels like it was just thrown in for a shock factor and entirely unnecessary and just didn’t quite fit.
This video is the biggest clickbait ever
why call this an "explain" if u are just giving a synopse of the show
I don't understand sh*t. If Elias existed in 2023, why would he want to go back to 1890 to create himself? There is no need
This show doesn't address any of the classic time travel paradoxes. His future has already come to pass in the initial time line -- why does he need to go back at all? Or, how did he get to his position in the future if he hadn't already gone back?
Concur, there are always paradoxes and the paradoxes can never be explained unless you initiate new paradoxes. What is great about this show is that it expresses humanity, it investigates The Human Condition. Just like the movie Inception which seems to be the driving inspiration for episode 8.
Thank you so much for this question @iant1040 I thought I was going crazy trying to explain this to my friend 🤷🏿♀️🤦🏾♀️ it’s like so where does the movie actually start? How did he become “Commander Manix” ?
I disagree. It raises the classic problem of causality arising from time travel. Mannix becomes his own great-great grandfather; a paradox only possible with time travel.
New time line, same loop
The ending was never explained!!! This video is a waste of time!
Not for me. This video recaps everything so that I don't have the sense that I missed something. We all like to know that we're not going crazy, even if we are!
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Where is the explanation why Maplewood was in 2023 and she still knows Hassan? This does not explain anything at all!
So what was the explanation, this was just the most clickbaiting title ever. This was just a bad summary.
You literally explain nothing about the ending Clickbait💤💤
Too weird for me. Definitely not for everyone.
3rd ep in and I figured Mannix was The kid in yellow and then it's pretty easy to work out that he manipulated the timelines to become an overlord dictator dude. Then it's just a matter of one of the detectives to take him out in one of the timelines and stop it happening. Just wasn't in the mood for this one and got bored halfway through the third. It is well done but I don't feel the characters were developed enough, probably because there are so many.
I was also annoyed that future London was too futuristic but it kind of makes sense if they rebuilt it after the nuke went off. Also, those transparent screens that all "futuristic" shows seem to have look cool but are extremely impractical. You don't really want to get distracted by what's behind when you're trying to read text.
This doesn’t explain the ending 😂