The Wallfacers | Three Body Problem Series
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- Liu Cixin’s Remembrance of Earth’s Past trilogy is one of the most compelling modern sci-fi series in my opinion. If you like science fiction that really zooms out and drives its speculative ideas out literally to the end of time then this is probably the series for you. Now I of course have several videos covering several aspects of the series but in this video, we will get to a topic that has been requested for a very long time and that is the Wallfacers, and the Wallbreakers. Now obviously if you have not read the series this video is gonna be full of spoilers, although most of it would probably go over your head anyway, but if you have read the books, or at least seen my previous videos, or if you just don’t care about spoilers then feel free to continue forward.
This video makes an error by omission. This was an oversight, and I won't let something like this happen again, but mistakes in scripting and editing occur at times. I take full responsibility for this error. The final part of Wallfacer Frederick Tyler's Plan would have been to detonate bombs to destroy the Trisolaran fleet and ETO, this final part was missing from my script and from the video and somehow I missed this in the editing process. I apologize for this mistake. For more info, watch this update video: • The Wallfacers (Bonus)...
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As some I have pointed out this video makes an error by omission. This was an oversight and I won't let something like this happen again, but mistakes in scripting and editing occur at times. I take full responsibility for this error. The final part of Wallfacer Frederick Tyler's Plan would have been to detonate bombs to destroy the Trisolaran fleet and ETO, this final part was missing from my script and from the video and somehow I missed this in the editing process. I apologize for this mistake. For more info watch this update video: czcams.com/video/rDN71JBW8co/video.html
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Got it, so he would have taken them with us?
Hey Quinn, quick question, do you consider the "Redemption of time" canon?
It's all good friend your voice is what makes all this work.
@@loszhor The plan was to secretly turncoat to the ETO and have the mosquito swarm piloted by ETO loyalists. At the doomsday battle, the loyalists would turn on the Earth fleet and destroy them in a surprise attack. Then, as a sign of loyalty, the remaining loyalist ships would transport a mass of ice water to the Trisolaran fleet as they would be severely depleted in resources after the four century trip. At that point, Tyler would take direct control of all the mosquitos, rush the Trisolaran ships and detonate their H-Bombs in lethal range of them. As others in the comments said, he would've been a triple agent.
No worries. Great analysis/recap.
In a sea of mediocrity your videos and discussions are top notch. As a 74 year young sci-fi fanatic I appreciate all you do, Quinn.
Are you a fan of Frederick pohl? I've been wanting Quinn to do some Pohl, but nobody knows who he was
Im 70 and have gotten many excellent recommendations from Quinn. I always enjoy the content. He is an intelligent and well spoken young fellow. Respect.
Bump
@@RovingTrollNever mind that, have you any Heechee artifacts to sell?
@@skateboardingjesus4006 Nah, just this lame two-way spaceship with an unknown destination programmed into it
Triosolaris: "you revealed yourself to us. Now we know your location and we want to destroy you with our superior technology. Do you have any problem with that?"
Luo Ji: *Uno reverse
Okay after having watched the video I just got to point out something. Wall facer Frederick Tyler was in fact a triple agent. The part of his plan that I didn't hear talked about in this video was the fact that his mosquitoes swarm was able to be remote controlled by him and the nuclear payload that each ship had could be remotely detonated by Frederick as well. The last part of his plan was going to be once the ETO Pilots had delivered Europas water to the fleet, Frederick was going to trigger the bombs inside the ships and destroy both the ETO Traitors and the Trisolaran fleet. This is all in the books.
I came here to say the same thing. That was the whole ultimate purpose of the plan.
Yeah it kind of bummed me out that he didn't mention that.
Just the comment I was looking for. I do wish this was mentioned in the video as I remember it being one of the best Wallfacer plan reveals in the book.
I think that might've been an easy mistake to make. Tyler's interaction with his wallbreaker is only 4 pages (pgs 195 - 199 in the Aug 2015 paperback). In contrast the book spent several chapters using the public response to Tyler's plan to establish the public negative hatred for wallfacers, particularly the loss of trust.
@forensice459 I remember that he wasn’t actually persecuted, he felt that he deserved to be, but everyone else believed that his plan being released was actually part of his plan. The guilt and the pressure from being hailed as a hero while believing he was a horrible person drove him to suicide.
Technically, Wallfacer Bill Hines' plan succeeded in the end, unlike Luo Ji's, which we all know didn't turn out well. The Mind Seal was responsible for the actions of some of the crew of Blue Space, which, together with Gravity, preserved humanity until the final end of the Universe, according to the fourth unofficial book in the series. The seal was always there and Bills plan of hiding it in the gereral public eventually worked.
If it's unofficial...
If Luo Ji didn’t educate the world about Dark Forest I doubt the members of Blue Space would’ve come to the conclusions they did. Also I believe stalling Trisolaris for half a century prevented Trisolaris from hunting down and destroying Blue Space since the crew knew Earth’s location
I agree! And I'd also like to say that the fourth book was cringe fan fiction 😂
@@BrantMarcksson lol but it did the job in the end
@@omgjlmiub think its Galaxy that needed convincing ,bluespace was out of there from the get go. They ate their dead crew members to achive their goals of escape. Think that was evidence of the mindseal if any.
Being a wallfacer is the most difficult task someone would ever receive. Imagine carrying alone, only in your mind, a plan to defeat aliens and save humanity, not ever writing or speaking to anyone how your plain is possibly going to work.
It has its perks as anything you ask for is yours
I would ask for a helmet that magneto used😂@@burtknighten4438
Yeah I would pass for sure … I like to think I’m smart but unless I was able to brainwash myself with some seals … that would be a hard pass from me dawg
Not only that but the difficulty of carrying out the plan in complete secrecy by unknown individuals whose motives are not known. You would have to trick everyone into believing one plan while in reality it's failure was key to your real plan's success.
@@upgrade1015 you're not allowed to pass. You're made one and that's your life. That's perhaps what's even more difficult to deal with
I dont think Tyler was ACTUALLY disillusioned with humanity, he just wanted to make it seem like he was so that he could potentially get into the ETO.
Yup was part of his plan to fool the wallbreakers & trisolarans, in reality he wanted to use the kamikaze swarm to blow up the trisolaran fleet, but only after sacrificing the earth fleet to ensure the trisolarans trust.
Exactly. He wasn’t a traitor. His plan was to act like a traitor to the absolute last moment to get his mosquito swarm close enough to the Trisolarian fleet. Once close enough he was going to remotely control all the ships and have them attack.
Tricelolarions don't understand deception though right?
@Must_Do_Better
Correct, but their human collaborators DO. The only reason there can be any fight back against wallfacers is because of the ETO - the organization of human collaborators. Remember in the very beginning when ppl are recruited to play the 3 body video game, and then those players most invested are invited to a special mtg, where they are told the unstable 3 body world of the video game is real? They're told about the Trisolarans and why they want Earth and most of them decide to take the Trisolarans side: either because theyre bitter or cynical about humanity and want us to go extinct, or because they think the Trisolarans will allow those humans that help them destroy humanity to survive and join them. This mixed group starts the ETO not long after.
luo ji just deciding to do build himself a house and family was hilarious to me. loved that shit hahaha
Important to note that Luo Ji being woken up late was because he was deathly ill and could only be woken up when medical technology had advanced enough to cure him
That targeted virus was one of the spookiest things I've ever read.
The Dark Forest is by far the best book in the series and one of the best SiFi books of all time. Lou Ji will always be one of my favourite characters in all of fiction.
More Three Body Problem videos? Yes please.
I clicked so fast.
@@UncleJacq I clicked faster
the show can do nothing but suck after learning about this book from quinn. Like I tell people the stories that he tells us.
@@kblskables2877Go read the books yourself.
They're great books. But, I think you'll be disappointed.
Hines was actually right. It was a defeatist spaceship captain and his crews' descendants that went on to establish intergalactic human civilization. Humanity's fleet easily lost to the Trisolarans and were later flattened by a contemporary of Singer's civilization.
Yeah it never made sense when I was listening to the audiobook for why humanity was so against leaving earth.
@@MyAramil
Bacause it was a "defeatism".
If it wasn't for the exchange between those two ships then Luo Ji (hard to say that without hearing 'my boy' following it lol) would never have understood the Dark Forest state of reality.
@@Unit-3475 I thought it was just pragmatism to me. They're not getting here for 400 years? Yeah let's build some ships and get the fuck outta here. Go to Alpha Centauri
@@aarondonald1611
That's... that's a Trisolaris system.
Quinn, I discovered your channel 2 years ago via an YT recommendation while watching a video about Dune. Your unique way of telling the story without ruining it for me made me pick up the Earth's Past trilogy. It blew my mind and made me stay sometimes until 3AM on a workday to read 'just one more page'. Since then I hooked up 2 of my friends to read it as well.
This is my exact story. Except that I hooked only one friend. But second one is in the making already... It was just one yt recommendation to Quins video about a dune.
I love the video, but I kinda wish you had talked about Frederick Tyler's plan in the Chinese versions of these novels. In those, his plan involved using the Ball Lightning phenomenon on a space fleet to energize them to a quantum level, making the fleet impossible for the Trisolarians to defeat (or something along those lines, correct me if I'm wrong).
Frederick's plan was changed in the English translations because the novel Ball Lightning hadn't been released for western audiences yet and Liu didn't want to spoil Ball Lightning or involve concepts from his other novels that the West hadn't been able to read yet. Pretty clever.
I'm going to be honest, I despise this type of localization. The reason I've started to read these novels is so I can chat with my Chinese wife on them.
The idea the changed it to hide the concept of a future book, despite it being in the original Chinese release, only causes misunderstandings in between our two people.
It's ironic that the book also critiques this, and then the localization staff promptly did it.
So that's why it is unfamiliar when I watched 'Ball Lightning' situation in "Three-Body: The Animation" in BiliBili, it is actually in the Chinese Books!
I hope to read the original part of Frederick Tyler's plan in English
@@FacesforceYeah that's really insulting of him to change that to be quite honest. Lost a bit of respect for the author after hearing this.
@@whoaitstigerTBH it sounds like a publisher / marketer decision, rather than the author's necessarily. Authors typically don't have the final say.
@@quixotiq Well it's a common thing for the chinese government to make things a little dumber for the west. Like TikTok is totally dumbed down for western childrens, while very restricted and science oriented for chinese children.
This is one the few book series that I was legitimately addicted to. The only book to ever had me read it nearly 8 hours a day, and that is on top of working 7 to 8 hours 5 days a week.
Same! I read the 3 books in 4 days non stop
I have completed reading these books for three times and started the fourth turn. And the original Chinese version is different from the English version which is less good
You are the reason why I read this trilogy. I cannot thank you enough. The three body problem trilogy was an incredible thought provoking read from beginning to end. I also have never read something so terrifying. It kind of changed my outlook on the universe, I am always hopeful the universe is not a dark forest but I am no longer naive to neglect it as a possibility.
In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
"Humanity does not thank Luo Ji..."
This is such a powerful series. I love that it gets lost in the technicals at times but then transforms itself into true cosmic horror within minutes. Just incredible.
I got chills the first time I listened to the three body problem (on your recommendation of course) and the concept of wallfacers was explained. A responsibility unlike any that could've ever existed before
Reminds me of the Spectres in Mass Effect.
I just seen the Netflix version and was honestly surprised, ended up watching all 8 episodes. It was surprisingly on point for the beginning and I though they’d stay away from that part.
Just saw this last night. I really liked the way Saul immediately turns away, telling everybody “I’m not a wallfacer! I never signed up to be a wallfacer! I DONT WANT THIS JOB!”
And everybody smiles at him as if his denial is just a diversion.
You can also watch chinese drama named three body which I heard is a better and closer adaptation
@@malihaahmed9291 i have seen the tencent show and the netflix one is a better adaptation imo. and the pacing is good too.
@@malihaahmed9291 Arguable. While the Tencent adaptation is very close to the 3BP book, they added a lot of stuff and it really dragged on. While this is great for a book - it doesn't translate to the screen as well. It was still good, but it could have been ten episodes shorter.
the fan art really makes these videos so much better. audio alone would be fine, but its great this way
Since I love Space Operas and Millenia and more years-spanning plots the series by Cixin Liu hit the right spot for me from the beginning. The ideas and concepts are interesting and compelling and the characters are relateable. I am currently reading the series for a second time and I am loving it.
Yours and Jean Michael Godier/Event Horizon are the only Sci-Fi channels I ALWAYS watch when new videos are available. Thank you for your great work! :D
Man, I just finished the Remembrance of Earth's Past Trilogy, so naturally I just randomly went to CZcams to watch some videos about it and discovered your channel.
An absolute gold mine, your narration voice is terrific and a few of your videos have clarified some questions I had, especially in pt 3. Thanks a ton!
Luo Ji is my all time favorite character in the whole series. The weight of his balls surpasses that of a neutron star
And then as soon as he "retires" his plan falls apart in a few minutes. I love it
he is the only character that doesnt fill me with rage when i think about their actions. except for the police officer who accompanied luo ji through time
@@adamlouis3725 In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
@@yuyuan7204 chinas numbers around covid deaths are absolute nonsense
@@adamlouis3725 you just make me laugh. go and see what is the ture world like. As long as you come to China once, all your doubts and negative impressions about China will be broken.
I’ve read the first two books and loved both but something about listening to you explain everything with this ominous music in the background is very satisfying. I love all your content 🙏
Quinn, your videos were the reason why I met this incredible piece of art! I hereby thank you for introducing me to one of my life's greatest existential horrors. I read through the series in a practical heartbeat and I've been looking for something similar ever since. Just wow.
It was your vids that sparked my interest in the series and now my outlook on sci-fi has been changed forever! Cixin Liu blends science fiction and science fact in a most elegant way..
Just wanted to say you got me into a lot of scifi I wouldn't have found so quickly myself. You got me to read the Blindsight books, the Annihilation trilogy, and The Remembrance of Earths Past series amongst others. Thanks so much for sharing these stories.
Ahh I've been waiting for this video!
The Wallfacers are such a fascinating, pivotal, and complex part of the series, its great to finally have a summary of their stories.
The fact that at Lou Ji’s final time. He faces the wall to be the sword holder. That’s so beautifull and strong
And he is ultimatly failed.
@@Unit-3475Only by his successor.
@@Unit-3475
In my opinion, Lou Ji didn't fail in his role in books 2 and 3. He succeeded in posing a constant threat to the Tryangle throughout his life, and [spoiler]: he continued to be a menace to the Tryangle even without being a sword holder, even when Sophon couldn't read his mind.
@@PhuongLe-kv1hy
Luo Ji failed because although he developed a deterence system, he did not think through how it would work without him.
The result was the worst strategic decision - ONE SWORD-HOLDER.
And no any contingency protocol.
@@Unit-3475 you was right but to my view point:
the main point of Lou Ji plan is to keep the balance between Human and Tryangle in his life time and if you read book3 he was success untill The sword project change to next character. The Tryangle choose that time to attack because they know Lou Ji no longer a threat. If he had to do anything to prolong his threat to the Tryangle, they will change the tatic, it could be a different scenario.
The best part about this scifi story was how Liu meshed ideas and extrapolated reasonable results. This is speculative hard scifi at its best. The idea of cosmic sociology being hostile is just a simple idea, but to combine it with game theory and use it as a deterrent, that is a stroke of genius. And then later on, how the story explains a civilization may declare its passivity and thereby avoid destruction, the use of a children's story to secretly pass on info, the repercussions of FTL travel on light speed, and so on, difficult to imagine the solution when you read it for the first time, but makes so much sense when Liu reveals the answer later on.
This video is a perfect example of why many consider this series to be a modern science fiction masterpiece. So many diverse ideas and philosophies all tied together into one giant work in a way that somehow maintains cohesiveness even after translation into the almost alien language of English is really just an absolutely amazing accomplishment.
Man oh man, The only two things I love as much as ROEP, are your videos, and watching well-read people in the comments section nerding out over various details and meanings. It's like finding your people. Lol. Thanks!
Your channel is the best find on CZcams in a long, long time. Really stylish telling of the most wonderful subjects, i.e. the best sci-fi
I listen to your videos late at night in the dark before bed and they genuinely terrify me. I’m reminded that we are on a huge rock surrounded by enormous black space
Found your account from your dune videos as I was reading them last summer. Your videos on three body problem got me into the series and I’m about halfway through deaths end now. Thanks for the great videos.
Quinn, it was your original video on Three Body Problem that got me into reading sci fi . Thank you sir!
YES! The Wall Facers and Project Sword was so interesting.
The Wallfacer project was interesting.
Project Swordholder was a plot crutch to undo what had been achieved.
@@Unit-3475 meh. I enjoy things more.
In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
"Humanity does not thank Luo Ji..."
The series deserves a LOTR trilogy level of care, i imagine lot of astronomers in the future of educational systems around the globe because of it.
Finally! Few weeks ago I rewatched an old video in which you said you'd someday make a Wallfacers video. You're a man of your word, my friend!
As someone who has tried to read the books but just cant get into them for some reason, I love coming here and listening to you talk about them.. Love this Channel.
Yeihhh a New video, since I saw your videos, I reread Death's Ends and paid better attention to these beautiful details that the book brings, some say that this book was unnecessary but for me it opened my imagination a lot and thanks to your guidance and passion in your narrative. I hope one day talks about the The Redemption of Time to complete all the serie
I hadn't read any new science fiction in almost 15 years until Quinn's videos rolled across. Now I've got more fiction on my shelf than textbooks for the first time.
It was my favorite book in the series. Unnecessary? pish posh!
The bit where the woman holds her baby up as New Europa is being squished so it gets another few seconds of life 😢
I'm so happy they made 3 body problem into a Netflix series, I hope they make a second season.
It's because of you that I was introduced to this great science fiction book! I hope you're proud. I've only read 2 books (with all their sequels) ever in my life that I liked. This is by far a rarity.
I bought this series just cause of your videos; knowing the plot doesn’t change how into this book I am! I love it!!!
This channel is gonna blow up so much so fast
Was genuinely just sitting here thinking it'd be nice to see a new Quinn video and boom, 32 minutes of Three Body Problem. Thank you for everything you do!
Loove your videos. I myself have almost no time to read and when I do, i usually go for history and anthropology books, but your videos allow me to enjoy a sea of incredible scifi stories
Your work on this series is second to none.
As 88cryingwolf said you cut off the last part of Frederick Tyler's plan. There were to be bombs on the mosquito fleet that could be remotely detonated by Tyler. They would approach the enemy fleet, get accepted in, and then everything would have been blown up ending the ETO and the enemy fleet in one go.
I tip my hat to you good sir, this is S-Rank content absolute, the subject matter is fantastic as is Cixin Liu's trilogy and your delivery is superb particularly the apt emotion you put into quoting sampled content. I recall suggesting a future video on 'Endymion' and 'The rise of Endymion' but tbf this video blows my suggestion out of the water 😂 Thanks again.
Can't believe im only just seeing this now ive been watching your videos on this series for months and ive been anticipating this one
Some of the best analysis of the series. Happy to see that some folks are here after only being exposed to the Netflix adaptation, which surprised me in a good way to say the least.
Dude, excellent subject. Nobody else is covering this on CZcams with this production value this quality with this amount of intellect and interest. Thank you as always man. I’ve been here since the beginning. Happy Halloween. 🎃
Ya because nobody reads
Quinn - you may have misunderstood Taylor's plan. It wasn't to destroy the earth's fleet. Instead he plans to use that back stabbing attack with 'ball lightening' to turn the entire earth fleet into a quantum force, involuntarily, and hope that force would defeat the trisolarans.
Edit: Tyler, not Taylor.
that is correct.
I thought I just misremembered Taylor's plan but that's correct! Taylor was planning to remotely detonate hydrogen bombs on the traitor ship once within range of the Trisolaris fleet, convinced they would bring water after the human ships attacked other humans.
his plan was to attack the earth's fleet and then present a gift of water to the trisolarians. Once his fighter fleet got close enough he would remote control the ships into exploding in the middle of the trisolarian fleet.
@@TentaclePentacle Someone else explained in details and only now I understand this - there is a difference of this plot between the chinese and english versions of the books. In Chinese version, it is the ball of lightening/quantum army, but it is changed to kamakazi attack in the English version. Hence my confusion.
@@DannyChean how is the ball of lightening/quantum army suppose to work? Earth doesn't have any quantum technology due to the sophon lock.
Gotta say your content is truly engaging and has reignited my passion for sci-fi
so good to have another one from you! you have the best videos on the trilogy!😊
omg Three Body for Halloween? I read the book series bc of you so super excited that you make more content on it
Great video as always! The only thing I would add in, probably the most underrated character in the series, is Zhang Beihai's plan and how Bill's mental seal inadvertently gets that plan completed. He is a key player in getting any humans to the end of the universe And I consider him a 5th wallfacer.
Can you elaborate? I must’ve missed it in the book
@@alexpacino1 Beihai's plan was to capture a ship capable of interestelar travel and pilot it to another star system. He killed several scientist and investors in space to asure that a fussion drive was not the main of propulsion of hummanity's fleet and later he succesfully captured the Natural Selection and escaped, baiting four more ships to chase it just before Doomsday Battle.
He died when Natural Selection was attacked by Ultimate Law in a effort to asure the survivality of that vessel but UL was destroyed by Blue Space in the Battle of Darkness. All his efforts resulted ultimately in Blue Space and Gravity escaping the Solar System and granting hummanity a place in the universe after the Dark Forest attack.
I consider him the most succesful of all Wallfacers, even if he wasn't nominatelly as such.
I read this series cuz of your videos. So good. The second half of the final book is unforgettable.
Your narration of this book makes this video even more exciting.
I want this series turned into a movie, but also don't want Hollywood to ruin it.....
It’s coming soon to Netflix as a series
Just don’t consider bad adaptations as ruining anything. It’s not like they only have once chance to get it right. A popular IP can inspire many new adaptations every few years.
@@ecbrown6151 by the same guys who ruined Game of Thrones lol
this serie seems so dumb. They're all suicidal traitors with stupid plans it makes 0 sense.
Tencent has a tv series on the first book, all of it is on youtube.
Hey Quinn! Love your videos, theyre always on point, love the music and scripts, love the narration youre a king at immersion!
Wanted you to know you inspired me to go pick these books up
I got the Three Body Problem trilogy today from the book store, and have gotten back into reading as of this afternoon thanks to you
Youre a good dude, doing good dude things, love your work and keep it up!
I love how you explain this wonderful story and all the craziness in it. Thank you
the author did a hell of work, its really good thanks
So the problem with Cheng Xin, the second swordholder, was not using the Mental Seal to try to make her as impredictable as Luo Ji
we dont want unpredictability, we want assurance that the sword holder will push the button when necessary. her problem was the same as every other female in the series; shes a stupid, naive, useless world ending idiot
Just told my friend, who also watches your channel, “Looks like Quinn has a new idea.” She replied, “Yeah I’m about 12 minutes into it!” Immediate recognition. Always excited for new videos!
In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
The complexity of this story, and writing, is admirable. I need to read the books. Thanks!
This is the channel I listen to when I don't have a new audiobook to listen to on my work trips. Probably one of my top 3 channels
Hope we can get an in depth look at Tian Ming's fairy tales soon. But this was a good watch.
They're explained in Death's End.
Those stories are really really smart
Good job taking us through this compelling series, Quinn. I actually enjoy your recaps, explanations, and voice-over a lot more than reading the stories. You're a good story teller..
I like the idea that Zhang Beihai embodied the wallfacer spirit the best. He hid in the shadows of the wallfacer project, none of his closest allies could read him and in the end he was proven right. I was really sad that his part of the story was not developed very much. The culmination of his plan was easily my favourite part.
Quinn, I appreciate your content and you. Thank you for all your hard work, kind sir.
CIXIN LIU is perhaps the best author of modern Sci Fi. No one writes this genera like him. I loved the TenCent production, which is free to watch. I will watch it again.
Its quinns videos that brought me to this book series, and now having read all three books, iv got to say ill never look at the night sky the same way again 😬
This is the first video I could watch from you. Good videos. I just can't do the style, but I like this one. I'm glad I found one I can watch.
Another amazing Episode!!
Love your content, Keep up the awesome work!
I found this series endlessly fascinating
Wasn‘t Tyler’s plan actually a double bluff? He would pretend to betray humanity with his kamikaze swarm, and then, after having gained the trust of the Trisolarans, poison the water he supplied them with (or something to that effect)?
Tyler's story is totally different from the original version in Chinese.
They had to make up a new story for Tyler in the English version,
because in the original version, his strategy was heavily dependent on a theory and scientific discovery in another Cixin's novel "Ball Lightning".
which happened in the same universe but many years ago before three-body problems.
Most of western readers who didnt read this novel probably wont understand it.
To be honest, I dont like what they did with Tyler's story, it just doesnt fit.
@@huaninglyu7372Oh wow I had no idea about this change? Could you elaborate a bit further on what the plan in original chinese version was like?
@@miguelpereira9859 The search for the Kamikaze fighters is the same. And the last minute backstabbing is also the same.
the difference is, In the original version, the plan was to use a special kind of weapon from "Ball lighting" , carried by the Kamikaze fighters, backstab the Earth fleet at the last moment, turn the entire Earth Fleet into a quantum form, in a state between existence and non-existence, alive and death. He put his hope on this quantum ghost army still be loyal to their mission after this. And this quantum form army become capable of defeating the aliens.
To understand this better, I strongly suggest to read Ball Lightning, its an awsome novel anyway.
@@huaninglyu7372 wait this is a much better plan than the western translation 😮
@@huaninglyu7372 the ending of the Ball Lightning is so romantic, the quantum rose 😭
New Quinn video on the three body problem with long form. Man it's a good day.
Quality as usual, keep up the good work Quinn!
I can't wait for season 2 on tencent's youtube channel. Welcome back Mr. Quinn and happy Halloween kind sir, this video is a welcome gift for my lazy day today.
I personally think that if well-regulated, the mental seal could be the permanent solution to mental health issue. For those with crippling anxiety or depression, I'm sure the mental seal seems like a miracle.
Amazing summary of such a densely packed but incredibly thought-provoking plotline in Dark Forest. Having recenly read Death's End my mind was so full of wonderment and huge ideas I'd almost forgotten how incredible Lui's plotting and rationale of this Wallfacer era was. Just mind-bendingly good stuff.
In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
"Humanity does not thank Luo Ji..."
This channel is fire, and your book collection is awesome!
THE ALGORITHM HAS BLESSED ME THIS DAY
Thank you for bringing it this Halloween 🎃
Enjoy everyone and stay safe
After your Halloween video, i was just thinking i wanted a longer one from your channel! Been looking forward to this one
glad you're making more. with the show being over, at least for now, this is the only way I can get my fix.
Reading the part of when Tyler takes his life really hurt me and made me sad, thinking he only wanted the best for his plan and for humanity. The destiny for the other wallfacers didn’t hit like tayler’s even when they are sad too.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
"Humanity does not thank Luo Ji..."
@@yuyuan7204 china's real estate is collapsing and it makes up a huge portion of their gdp
@@yuyuan7204yeah yeah China number one okay 😊
Two videos in one day and one is about Cixin Liu! Nice!
Im still scared and cant sleep because of reading The Jaunt. I cant wrap my mind around it. Good job. I never knew anything about these books till you had it on here.
Had to stop at 8:42, that's as far as I've gotten in the series. My dad loved all the books so I wanted to connect with him a little even though he's moved on to new frontiers.
Good content as always, will come back once I've finished reading all 3 books.
Gods, I’ve been waiting on this!
Very disappointed that you didn't include a man named Zhang Beihai in the video.
Yes, he wasn't officially in the Wallfacer program - but he WAS a trully Wallfacer.
And it was his initiative, his plan that helped humanity survive.
He deserved to be mentioned in this video.
For real. If it wasn't for him, humanity would have ended (except for the two gals that did escape, and the brain dude that got shot toward the Trisolaran fleet, forgot his name lol) after the flattening of the solar system.
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I hate her so much.
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And yet his name is not mentioned in any video for this trilogy!
It's like talking about Christianity and never mentioning Jesus.
Define 'survive'. . .
This aspect of the book is the one I enjoyed the most, the mystery behind every Wallfacer’s plan was so fun to try and decipher throughout the book and the fact that Luo Ji used a lot of the concepts behind the other’s ideas to present his theory at the end of the novel is incredible. I’m really looking forward to the video in the tale of the painter of the last book, since I think it shares a lot of the fun mystery style of the dark forest with it’s own twist.
In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
It's about time quinn 😂 I have been waiting on more tbp videos a good while now.thank you!
Thanks, Quiin, for this video and insights...Support the source guys/gals.
If i recall correctly: I think its interesting that it wasn't just one wall facer that was "successful" - at least to the degree where it could be called that. But all three, but Tyler's were. The mental seal, because that makes (can't remember the character's name) escape with the two ships (that also signals earths location, dooming it), Lou Ji, because it made Trisolaris stand down and the Venezuelan president, because that ends up being something that's re-used later in Luo Ji's plan, if I am not mistaken.
In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
Your videos are so awesome! I’ve been trying to find that section in the book where Rey Diaz is stoned upon returning home. Somehow that scene stuck with me the most from this entire book. Just his total confidence in his people right up until that first stone. It’s so well written
Every venezuelan dream come true
I knew it was the right time to check in on Quinn's Page. Perfect!!!