The Tragedy of Starship Earth | Three Body Problem Series
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- Following the Doomsday Battle in which the Trisolaran droplet laid waste to the entirety of humanity's space fleet, it seemed that all hope had been lost for mankind. But 7 ships had escaped the solar system, fleeing the devastation of the droplet. These orphans of humanity were split into two groups, those who would eventually call themselves Starship Earth comprised of 5 ships, and across the sun heading in nearly the opposite direction, the ships Bronze Age and Quantum.
The Vessel Natural Selection had fled the solar system before the battle due to the actions of Zang Behai, who saw escapism as the only hope for humanity's future in the face of the looming Trisolaran threat. 4 ships were sent in pursuit of Zang Behai, but after the Doomsday occurred Zang Behai’s pursuers realized that they could never return to the solar system while the droplet reigned. Their only hope would be to join forces with Zang Behai and the inhabitants of natural selection. This would set the stage for the tragic, Battle of Darkness.
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Zang Beihai was an unsanctioned Wallfacer. He kept such a tight lid on his ultimate plan of escapism from everyone, even the readers couldn't fathom his true intentions.
I like this
And like a wallfacer, his comrades respected his decisions almost without question
As a reader, you're initially comforted by Zang Behai's triumphalism, thinking he will later play a pivotal role in humanity's victory, and feel a deep horror that it was actually a mask and he was always an escapist advocate, to finally respecting his utter clarity of thought and appreciate him for ultimately preserving the human race till the end of the universe. If you think about it, more than even Yun tianming or Luo Ji, Zang Behai was the actual savior of mankind
One idea i got from this series of book is that it is not a good idea to enforce some kind of rules unto all of humanity as it close off possible ideas that would be the solution, if you enforce the same rule onto everyone and in the end if that idea proven to be a mistake then we all suffer the same terrible fate... spoiler.. for example humanity's ban on FTL travel ultimate destory earth but there was someone that violated the rule and did it and they survived. Same for Zang's action which was also done out violation.
Therefore I think the lesson is... fuckdapolice?
@@ZxZ239I think is anti-communism
When I originally read the book, I got so wrapped up in Luo Ji that I flat out forgot Zang Behai's contribution.
@@ZxZ239 This situation mirrors the Soviet Union's push for communism and the United States' advocacy for capitalism. Today, capitalism dominates globally, yet countries like China and Venezuela have modified it slightly. For instance, China maintains a type of command economy while also embracing capitalist practices in a trial phase within specific regions.
@@schmitzjamesandrew Yup easy to overlook it because his pivotal action was so brief. But because Zang's goal was always to escape the trisolarans, humanity would likely have always been preserved by his actions regardless of the success/failure of Luo ji and Tianming.
I think Zhang beihai's last word were pretty cool too. He knew his comrades on natural selection could'nt pull the trigger so he was gonna do it. But just as he was about to do it, proximity alerts start to lite up as the other ship fired first. And, he just smiled at his people was said "well, it's alright. The result is the same"...such pragmatism...his character arc is simply incredible
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12:55 "The only hope for humanity had been to cannibalize itself."
Sophon: Now that's what I'm talking about!
the story of Starship Earth is a sad one but the tales of Blue Space are my favorite parts to read in Death's End
I was listening to him talk about it while cooking and I had to stop and really think through it all. Such suspense!
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I hope that the release of Netflix’s 3 Body Problem has brought more traffic and attention to your channel. You deserve it. Great content, insight, and personality. Thank you for sharing
Quinn is truly the reigning authority on all things science fiction right now.
I like Quinn. He is a youtuber who makes content about sci-fi. I enjoy his content. Is he a reigning authority of all sci-fi? No.
Yeah not even. He’s cool though
@@ashitaka.kodama name who is then?
@user-rc2bp2sy5x I don't know. Why do we need a "reigning authority?" Why can't Quinn just be a youtuber whose content I enjoy? If I accept him as the "reigning authority," will it change anything about my consumption of sci-fi? I don't think so.
Honestly, people are quick to idolize and exceptionalize people. Isn't that the whole point of Dune? Is this irony?
Ive never seen such glazing.
I’m getting to the point where I only want to read books you cover on your channel. These videos add so much to the experience.
Highly recommend the One Second After series then.
I liked 3 Body as well.
Read Hyperion - it’s amazing
I'm a simple man, I see another Three Body Problem upload by Quinn and I watch
Quinn is my favorite CZcamsr. He makes science fiction enchanting in a way I can’t describe.
You can tell he’s genuinely passionate about it in a way most people aren’t, and something about that adds so much entertainment value to his videos
I know what you mean! I wish he could read the books to me haha
Agreed. I could listen to him talk about sci fi for days
It’s just the music and the microphone he uses. Calm down.
It's thanks to his soothing voice
just finished dark forest last night and it blew me away.. it really paints a big grim picture of survival in the universe
Zhang Beihai's words "It doesnt matter" really hits like a truck and stands for the nihilistic outlook of the series in general.
He knows he will die, alongside the crew of his ship and its first officer Dongfang, who has already become somewhat like his daughter. But true to the Trisolaran saying"if one of us survives, all of us will survive", he knows that his death doesnt matter for Starship Earth, as Blue Space will survive, cannibalizing its parts - both machine and organic.
In the greater scheme of things though, nothing has ever mattered. Not humanity, not trisolaris, not the survival of the spacefaring humans. The heat death of the universe and universal dimensional collapse is the fate shared by all. Even the zero-homers/resetters wont save anyone, since resetting the universe to its 10D edenic age means the end of all life as it fuses back to the singularity. So in the end, nothing has ever mattered and only death is eternal, which is also the title of the last book "Death's End" 死神永生, meaning literally "Death lives Forever".
Really looking forward to how D&D will pull this part off.
I think he just meant that one of the ship will survive and thats it matters, I dn't think he think that far ahead.
@@ZxZ239 I agree. But I do think that he knew that he has fulfilled his purpose and accepts his fate now. This is a very Chinese or Asian style of thinking, where sacrifice for the sake of the collective is seen as a positive thing. But this line of thinking, this attitude of being non-chalant in regards to mass extinction events as long as some survive, pretty much runs through the entire book series. IIRC Guan Yifan who meets Cheng Xin at the end of the book also responded with "it doesnt matter" when she felt guilty about causing the humanity in the solar system to become extinct. Guan, being a member of the Blue Space, essentially soaked up Zhang Beihai's mindset after getting to know about all the f*cked up stuff happening in the universe.
They will likely take the extra book, redemption of time, and launch into the lurker plot. Because that one opens up follow up potential with its ending. The book its not really a part but more of ascended fan fiction focusing on our brain guy.
The cultural swap of Zhang Beihai from a mainland Chinese character into a British character in the Netflix adaptation is one of the main reasons I am skeptical that Netflix's deviations from the books will work. Beihai is a very "Chinese" character rooted in China's authoritarian political system and represents very Chinese socio-cultural elements and tropes. His character serves as a political commissar who purges other people for dis-loyalty, but has his own disloyal agenda...which he learned to hide via growing up and playing the political game in China's authoritarian cut throat system (where saying the wrong thing can get you sent off to prison or worse). He is supposed to be an ideological opposite to the Chinese villain of the book where both grew up in a similar authoritarian environment but ended up with opposite beliefs.
Apparently, the new show turned him into a British character. At that point, it's not even about race/ethnicity or physical features. It's about how does this change even work within the story, themes, and other context of the book? To change that type of character into a British character who grew up in the UK's liberal representative democracy with a very different cultural, social, and political environment & attitudes that is completely opposite of the character he is supposed to be based on - how does that even work?
@@Intranetusa dont think he is much about authoritarianism, but more like how he is a realist. An actual commissar in western popular understanding may be someone who purges people for not being ideological enough, but that's not how the chinese themselves see it, who see commissars more positively like soldier-scholars who are the intellectual aides to the peasant based army, helping the usually illiterate rank and file to write letters to their loved ones and such. But in this case, the commissar is not an inspiring character, but someone who rather tells the men to flee the battle and not to believe in victory. He said it in the books quite clearly; his father fought the Americans in Korea and knows how scary technological disparity is. As such, humanity stands no chance against the trisolarans, as they are several magnitudes more advanced vs humanity as the US army was vs the PLA back in the day. In that case, this commissar actually did his job well, being logical and intellectual thus saving the rest of humanity by fleeing an unwinnable battle and leading the "illiterate peasants" who were sure of their victory to the safety of escape.
Don't forget though that Zang Behai was about to fire on the other ships to ensure the survival of his ship, but he got soft hearted and hesitated for a few seconds and got killed. (Edit: He realised he was already dead when the ship computed detected incoming weapons fire, and then his) last words were *smile* "It doesn't matter, its all the same".
Thus serving as an example that benevolence and malevolence are irrelevant in the face of cosmic survival.
Those last words felt Joker Mode to me.
Such a tense moment, but I think finally a release of the blame and responsibility. It's such great bunch of stories
Too many unlikely coincidences here - such as multiple Captains coming to the same conclusion at about the same minute.
@@cbuchner1 Two captains, the rest of them died except the captain of blue space. Maybe they had bugged this spaceship or he was simply unlucky
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Exactly, we need a sequel called 4 Ensemble Issue
@@Feefa99great wordplay!
The irony is that Blue Space was indeed the savior of Humanity!
Voting to give humanity a chance. Had me in goosebumps.
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Blue Space had a very different mentality than Natural Selection and Ultimate Law. Waited to retaliate rather than doing a first strike.
Love that Quinn is getting shout outs from other channels, he IS the authority on all things Dune and 3BP, I've tried explaining the plot and science of 3BP to my friends, and always seem to end up using Quinn's videos as they explain things better than I end up doing. I tend to geek out on the more "hard science" aspects and I can see their eyes glaze over after a while, lol. What it takes to survive the universe, the sacrifices that must be made, the ruthless choices, the creature you end up being is almost unrecognizable from what you started as.
I constantly worry that Quinn is finally done covering the Three Body Problem and then another one pops up and makes my day.
Your channel will hit 1million this year because of your hard work and detailed breakdowns of this series. I look forward to that day!
We've been thirsting for content. We're truly in a stable era. Let's see how long this one lasts, emperor Quinn.
I'd listen to him reading audiobooks. Such a soothing voice.
Fun fact: The author was originally going to end the series with the second book and he later regrets killing off Zang Beihai so soon and uncanny.
But Zang Beihai's death is actually one of the best part of this book.
Lmao, first person who cares about these bland characters in books
It's so sad how ideals can be forgetting so quickly when the pressure is on. I am glad that they were held to account for their action, though.
Isn't that a bit simplistic? Look at it from their perspective: they thought they were the last of humanity, and the only way to survive would be to attack the other ships. Ideals don't really mean much when survival is at stake.
@@erubin100 Yes, that's exactly what I said.
@@loszhor I'm confused...are you advocating for or against the starship crews?
@@erubin100
Against.
I bought a copy of 3 body problem from a thrift store after seeing your first few videos about the book series ages ago. I put it on the shelf and sort of forgot about it, but after watching the Netflix series and loving it I remembered that I had bought that copy and started reading it immediately. Thanks for putting that book on my shelf Quinn, cheers m8 keep up the amazing work 🥂
You will need to get the other two books!
Limited resources taken to the absolute extreme 😢
It's so hard not to spoil too much of the plot for folks coming into the series from the Netflix Adaptation. I hope more people find this channel, so they don't have to suffer the surface level readings that other channels are giving.
I want to see the affect of the Dual Vector Foil (not a spoiler, as it gives little indication of what that is, when it’s occurs, etc).
Read the series (audiobook), and that’s why I’m watching the series lol.
@@antibull4869 hope it doesn't provoke the same reaction the Red Wedding got. It's much the same kind of scene, albeit with bigger stakes.
@@Feralhyena nah.
Spoilers ahead.
Red wedding got the infamy it deserved because it showed, in brutal fashion, the slaughter of a pregnant woman and her wedding entourage.
Dual vector foil? The closest it comes is a woman attempting to save her child.
@@antibull4869 True, but I mean more in the sense that folks that read the books were prepared for just how awful that scene had the potential to be, while those who didn't were blind-sided by it. Here, we have something different from Chekhov's Gun, in that establishing the photoid strikes on the victims of Luo-ji's Spell and subsequently Trisolaris lulled the Earth into a false sense of security in regards to the consequences of carrying out Deterrence, and in their misguided approach to Escapism in general and Curvature Propulsion Research in particular. Likewise, Liu created a false sense of optimism that was ultimately crashed by the acknowledgement that our solar system is too complicated compared to the other 2 for a photoid attack to fully eliminate us as a potential threat. The clues are all there, but the challenge is delivering them in a satisfying way.
Behai is my favorite character to the point that I’ve had full conversations with him in my head. Such an unusual and yet grandly noble and determined human being is not somebody you can call a hero or a villain
Am i the only one who is jsut straight up making up a whole headcanon of how the Human Galactic Civilization developed?
@@requiemlul3140 No lol
Bro is turning into deformed luo ji 😅
Quinn I don’t know if you’ll ever see this but just know that your videos are what changed my life for the better. Every video is a complete pleasure to watch and in my personal opinion a masterpiece on it’s own.
Ugh I love this series. Thank you for introducing it to me.
Your channel got me reading this series. I finished Death's End just last week, thank you so much for introducing me to this AMAZING series!
3 bodu problem hype!
Man, you got such a soothing voice! I could listen to you read any book book. 🎉🎉
Loving all this content when! I did not see this coming, I know you work a regular job so I didn't think that you were so prepared to speak so so much on the ins and outs of the series, and even about how other series relate to this one!
Incredible job, you enjoy all of the accolades from it, you're untouchable!.
Also, thank you for keeping me sane, I've been in the ER four times this week with seizures. One of the seizures lasted for quite a long time, maybe like 7 minutes and I had you in my ear and your calm voice kept me attached to reality and let me know that even if I went into a coma I would be okay.
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just a quick side note I cannot help commenting here. "Enterprise" has been the name of numerous U.S. vessels and a few Colonial American ones, and it was in honour of the CV-6, one of the most decorated ships in US history and the most decorated ship in World War II that Gene Roddenberry named the heroic starship in Star Trek.
so while it's quite probable that Cixin Liu was thinking of Star Trek, he was probably also aware of the real historical 'Enterprises' (and/or the fact that its just simply a rather prominent name to give a vessel) and we can safely assume that in that fictional universe, they named the starship after the historical precedents, not after the fictional one.
In-universe, you're probably right, but from a writing standpoint, I would argue that it's impossible to name a spaceship Enterprise *without* it being a Star Trek reference. :P
Here within the first hour, I love your 3BP series videos Quinn! It got me into reading again which I had stopped a long time back. If you see this then I just wanted to say thank you and keep making great videos!
You are the best mate! I asked for this video yesterday after finishing the Dark Forest and you delivered! Thank you! Love your stuff and keep up the amazing work! 😎
I just finished the trilogy a few days ago after basically bingeing all your 3 Body Problem videos, thank you so much for introducing to these books
The doomsday battle. One of the most chilling aspected of a book series filled with chilling aspects.
Your synopsis of the complex topics in the book and ability to deliver the information is wonderful. Thank you for what you do.
"Enterprise" has been used for ships for centuries. Star Trek just popularized the name. Like the TV show, the Enterprise is always reserved for the flagship. The most recent Enterprise was decommissioned in 2017, and the new one will be commissioned in 2028. Just a little Easter egg, I think. :)
Also the Enterprise CV-6 is the most decorated ship in US navy history. She was the GOAT.
Hey man, I watched Netflix's 3 body problem when it released and discovered your channel soon after. Since then I've probably watched over half the videos you've ever uploaded. Love your passion for scifi, love how you approach different concepts and offer your perspective. You've more than earned my subscription! Keep up the great work :))
Quinn, really happy to see the new trafic coming to the channel.
It's truly fantastic that such staples on your content have surfaced in the pop culture zeitgeist so close one another, Dune and 3 body problem, brings a unique opportunity for people to appreciate your work.
Glad to see it. Truly.
Hope it converts into significant numbers. Stay well, I and many other fans truly appreciate your efforts.
Ironically enough I started watching your videos before the Netflix series was released. Of course it gave me spoilers for season 1 however I don't think I would have gotten into it without your videos and for that I thank you
Been waiting for this specific video since the moment I finished this part man! So much to take in so you vid help out for sure
Oh god it's always such a treat listening to your 3 body problem videos
This bit of plot from the book alone is a really cool concept it would make a cool sci fi standalone story itself similar to Battlestar Galactica but even more cool in my opinion.
Big fan of the videos, would hope to see a summary of the fourth book with some of the more odd stuff it adds eventually from this channel. Great content.
This part broke me. Cant believe the character we follow just die like that, thinking he outsmarted the other ships 😢
He had it coming, Zhang was a madman. I'm glad Blue Space became the torchbearer for humanity rather than Zhang.
@@coreyander286???? You are the madman he saved humanity if not for him there would not be galactic humans and at last he himself said "it doesn't matter" when the other ship attacked because his ultimate goal was survival of humanity it didn't matter whether he killed the people in other ships or someone else did for continued survival of the race. You probably would be one of the sissies that would vote for cheng xin to end humanity 🎉
@@vivid8913 humanity is pathetic, but Cixin Liu's humanity is even worse. They are dumb as f, they kept making the worst mistakes, they were like a plot device filed with bad decisions just to move the plot.
All that said, too bad humans could survive, Zhang made a mistake.
@@jehhuty I mean humanity acted just how I expected it would until the 2nd book but the humans of 3rd book do feel more stupid than most of them are. But why do you want them to go extinct? Actual ETO sympathizer 😅
@@vivid8913 just a hopeless feeling that we can never truly evolve as society
Thank for your 3BP content Quinn!
Thank you so much! This series reminds me of that old classic Earth Abides.
I don't know how Quinn is not at a million for his channel he is the Sci Fi authority frfr😂❤
I got into these books because of your videos, so I’m always happy to see more! Cheers!
Gotta give props where props are due. You but me into this genre years before the show came out and I’m invested .
We are all in an amazing book club now.
The memorial reminded me of what’s done when a surfer dies and everyone makes a circle in the ocean to remember them.
Quinn I love the passion you have for scifi and stories, thanks for taking us along for this ride.
You have a very calming voice… and can tell a compelling narrative
This reminds me of materialistic explanations of history: that majority of humanity's actions are driven from external factors as resources, living space, available technologies.
It is like as morality, religion, ideas which are thought by some to guide history are actually emerging factors, secondary to material world (like money is an emergent secondary thing, compared to resources). If there are enough food, water, land area, then it is more possible for people to be nice to each other. On the other side, if there is harsh deficit, violence and hatred are more possible to arise.
You're literally just talking about base and superstructure.
That's not what dialectical materialism is
I could happily listen to your voice all afternoon.
I'm glad Quinn's youtube has been blowing up lately.
Blew up like the Space Force
Love your channel, keep up the great work!!!
The Algorhythm notices and appreciates you and your amazing content, Quinn!
Your series talking about the book has got me into science fiction thank you Quinn
i just finished reading the first book after deciding to get into the trilogy from watching your videos! i read it in less than a week, thanks for making these videos so interesting and modivaiting me to pick up reading again!
Dude! Thank you so much for turning me on to the 3 body problem. I am so hooked on your covering of it. I started the show and tho it's probably not fully like the books I just can't get enough. Next I'm buying the books. Warhammer was the last thing I really have gotten into and this almost takes the cake.
I loved the Netflix show and am now making my way through the books, partially because of your content :)
Great video man, really making me want to go back and read this series again!
Three body problem is so good at the rollercoasters of feeling. Hope, despair, hope, despair. Really unique story. It is deep humanity and existentialism.
Thank you for your work 💕
Outstanding work as always Quinn, really happy to see you posting regularly again as I always appreciate your insight, and the discussions in the comments section.
Man, I could listen to you read the entire series. You’ve got a great voice.
Loving the 3 body content the most, trying to get into your other videos leaving likes and all ❤
One of my favorite parts of the series, even if I partially disagree. It makes you feel a great dread, truly a master storyteller when he wants to be, Liu Cixin.
Hey, I've been a big fan of your channel for years, I don't comment much but if you happen to see this comment I have a suggestion for a Three Body Problem video.
I just finished the books and have been watching a lot of your content. Something I haven't seen yet is an in depth explanation of Yun Tianming.
In my opinion he is one of few truly interesting characters in the books and has a fascinating story. A dissection of the deeper meanings regarding his "works" (trying to keep this comment spoiler free) in a video explaining his life would be complex and interesting I think. If you've already touched on that somewhere in the many amazing videos you've done on the series please disregard!
Also it would be cool to know what your current top 10 books of all time are! We seem to have similar tastes on what makes a great book. Thank you for all the content you've created over the years, it's really made a difference to me. Your content has kept me thinking and kept me dreaming, thank you.
Quinn is unstoppable
I saw one of your Patreon members with the name Mogget. Truly one of my favorite characters in all of litrature.
I genuinely believed Zhang Beihai was a triumphalist and that he would have been the one to defeat the Trisolarans during a stelar battle, but when it’s revealed that he’s an escapist I was genuinely shocked.
Beihai is the 5th Wallfacer, always hiding his real intentions from everyone but within his plans and action you can see his real intentions when they are revealed. Only his plan succeeds and saved humanity.
Also makes me thinking about the captain from blue space, he knew things go south ahead, had his crews in space suit, prepared two types of weapon to ensure the attack succeeded. He basically forged the new space earth and let to million of years survival in the universe.
This is awesome!!! Thanks man! This is your calling!
nice to see some stuff about the battle of darkness . Loved that part on the book
I’ve read about 3 different series and maybe 11 books total because of you haha, not to mention the tv/movies and watched after reading the books related. Thanks for your great job not only reading but studying these novels
Did I finish the show or read the books? No. Yet I still watch 😅
Petition to require Quinn to read all the great Sci Fi works because DAMN he's good!
Thank you, Quinn! I do think a lot of possible sci-Fi stories including space travel. The Three Body Problem is an interresting take on this genre. I am very interrested in science and I do believe FTL will be possible one day.
Never been so early on a content this excellent ❤
just imagining the amount of cultures that were condemned to death during that battle. Coming from a culture whose language was in danger of extinction (luckily great efforts in the last decades have made it viable), this hits different
Love your videos. Thanks for your content❤
Love the music groovy sounds
I wish there was more. These stories are the best.
I won't lie, the Battle of Darkness took me by complete surprise, seeing the crew slowly falling apart was painfully prescient for Death's End.
Just finished the 4 hr video over a cpl days at the gym, this is a good surprise 🙏🏽
The background mudic is my soundtrack to this book series!!! ❤❤
I love this channel, thanks from Brazil
Amazing episode of Quinns ideas. Appreciate it.
This part of the book reminded me of the Ampoliros legend from Dune... the space madness and the eternal hunt!
Zang Behai was the true saviour of Humanity, Luo Ji overshadowed him
Been waiting for a video on this
Quinn Thank you for bringing my love of SiFi back to me.
I found you a year ago for dune content. Love seeing more things from you.
Thank you so very much for the work you do! You are impressive. I would really love to know if youd ever consider doing videos about last and first men, or star maker bh Olaf Stapleton 🙏
damn this is high concept sci-fi on a grand and deep scale truly