BODIES (2023) Netflix Series Honest Review
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🍿 BODIES (2023)
🎬 In this Netflix adaptation of the DC Comics/Vertigo graphic novel, four detectives in four time zones are presented with four bodies. The catch is, it's the SAME body. Kyle Soller, Jacob Fortune-Lloyd, Amaka Okafor and Shira Haas are our investigators, and the link in the mystery all rests with Hollywood star Stephen Graham. Connor investigates if this strong concept and studded cast can make the best of this high concept!
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What did you think of BODIES? A mess? Perfection? Just plain okay? Let us know! - Connor
It's the stepchild version of stranger things that stayed in foster care too long. 😢
It’s basically like dark … not very original concept wise
@@lynahiacampbell8232the graphic novel predates Dark
Unwatchable
A poor man's Dark with more holes than a sieve. Average acting & terrible casting plus nonsense writing makes the show a dud
I was invested in all the detectives and their stories. I loved every episode and binged the series in one day.
Whiteman tho is the realest 💯
@@gamerganguk5846"Anyone who hurts me, I hurt em back. I made my peace with that."
Just finished now❤
To me, Detective Whiteman became my Favorite Character.
Me too.
I don't know if it's only me but I like the 1941 detective "Whiteman".
Great acting from him 😅
That's my favorite too 😂
@@jackomangi9898 Same here
Hes the only one whose story got deep
This show is like Swiss cheese. Even thou it has so many plot holes, I surprisingly still liked it a lot. 😂😂😂 I just love the different time periods especially 1890 and 1941 . The fashion and how people talk was so classy and proper.
The whole plot is a hole 😂
4 bodies but Elias only went to one time point - even the fake physics was explained and then not followed. The writing was bad, they could have made stuff up at a bare minimum but it felt like they just gave up at a certain point and just hoped intelligent people wouldn’t watch
It's just science fiction😂
It's a science fiction show blud
Also we do see other characters say they felt like they were split into multiple pieces so we probably just don't see those other copies, rather than them not existing
I enjoyed the show but agree it was stretched out a couple of episodes too long.
Just an observation on the the young Polly character. Did anyone else think she looked far too old to be the policeman and his wife's daughter. Initially I actually thought she was a sister lol.
I've got no issues with it though, she played the roll brilliantly.
Great review by the way.
Yes, this was the first thought that came to my mind when they showed Polly for the first time. I was like, "No way! The policeman looks far too young to have a daughter that old"
They couldnt find a 14 year old girl 😂
Yes! I thought she was his wife at first so i was very confused when i saw his actual wife 😅
Watched 2 "ending explained" videos on CZcams + this review. And as much as I loved this show. I'm amazed by why no one is mentioning this main plot doesn't make sense. No one asks the proper questions: (Spoilers ahead) how did crazy teenager Mannix became some perfectly balanced human being to the point he becomes a leader. (And not rot in jail for blowing up London) Why would Mannix go back from a future that was already what he wanted. How in god's name someone becomes he's own ancestor? And why he stops existing when he's not that anymore. If he already existed he already had ancestors. Why Dafoes body appears in multiple times when the same machine sends Mannix and everyone else to just one. Why is everyone acting like it all makes perfect sense?
EXACTLY, and i would add one more question, how Elias become the political leader after he startet the loop all? or if he didnt become the leqder, how does him get access to the time machine to start the loop
In regards to the leader question, he might have already put in place people to get him into that position after the blast. He had supporters everywhere, didn't he?
@@KiteChaser but for all that happens to him, it would have to have happened before at least once, for it to work. Who did that the first time?
Alternatively why didn't they just use the time machine themselves rather than wait for mannix And why would u take a cop to the time machine? I still loved it though, maybe in an alternative universe I don't?
@@salmirza so many holes in the plot. Yet such a good show. It's the first time I'm letting it slide.
very sound review about 1-4 and 5-8 thing. I was surprised you didn't mention Dark, I think it was a good template recreation in terms of the time travel loop, but Dark did a masterful job with it. The show wasn't bad and they did a pretty good job answering questions, i too still wonder about the mechanics behind the body but the story was entertaining enough for it to not be a huge deal especially with how the second half plays out.
My main thing was that every detective had a happy ending and led full lives with children and grandchildren.
We never knew if whiteman had children but I am with you that I’m happy everyone ended up alive and “happy”. In my mind I still hope Hillinghead ended up with Ashe
@@tangofoxtrot40 he better had!!! and I want a new series with the two of them solving crimes with Henry using his scientific skills to help Alfred...
JUST finished it. It was fucking wonderful lol. I loved it. I think its because I like old fashion and murder mystery. I feel like the ending was a bit hurried but nonetheless, I give it 10/10. I was clapping out loud at the end.
My thoughts:
I thought aspects of this series were brilliant. I agree completely that the first few episodes were a bit of a drag to watch. I probably would have dropped the series all together if I didn't like the premise so much and wanted to find out more. The second half was mostly great though.
A couple things I didn't like that you didn't point out:
The entire plot and show shouldn't exist. Like, really. If you think about it, Elias is only alive because future him goes back to have a child with Polly. That child goes on to be a great grandfather of his. So if Elias didn't go back in time to have a child with Poly, Elias would literally vanish into thin air (logic setup by the series). So how was this whole chain started in the first place? It's literally impossible. 2023 Elias can't possibly exist because 2053 Elias hasn't gone into the past to start the chain of events leading to his own birth. Once you have the chain going, it's plausible I guess, but it's impossible to start the chain.
Why didn't the 2053 crew just send Hassan back to kill Elias as a child or any other point in his life (she says to him in the 2053 timeline that she wishes she had killed him). Or, why didn't she just go back and do literally anything else with the knowledge she had? It made them sending Iris back ALL THE WAY TO 1890 feel completely pointless.
Side note, there's no timeline in the ones we've been shown in Season 1 where Iris is a taxi driver in 2023. Unless they're hinting at a sequel in which she somehow travels back AGAIN, she should be a child in 2023 not a grown ass women driving a taxi.
Also, she said it herself "I'm gonna die over there aren't I" (in reference to the 1890s). Unless she built a time travel machine in the 1890s, there's no way she can travel back in time to 2023 to be a taxi driver. That is unless she pops out in 2216 and then travels back to 2023 (she pops out again in 2216 because of the whole "you go backwards AND forwards when you time travel" which is how she saved the professor a couple days after the bullet-to-the-eye time travel incident. She went backwards in time to 1890 from 2053, that's 163 years difference, so she must pop out again 163 years in the future FROM 2053 which is 2216.
Anyway, pretty cool aside from the not amazing first half and the science based plot holes I just mentioned.
I still don’t understand why the body showed up in four different timelines but the main antagonist shows up in only the first.
Im pretty sure it had something to do with the fact that Defoe was shot as he was being transported. Because when we see hom again in the future he says that he felt like he was being split into different versions of himself. Not sure if this is right but that was my interpretation
Well defoe said he didnt know how any of that stuff worked 😂😂😂
Disagree i enjoyed the earlier episodes more than the latter ones but do agree it should have been shorter
They can make this but can’t make a new “Mindhunter” season🙄
Since the similarities didn't seem to find an end (even the music lol), was Dark based on the Bodies series as well, just spun further? I enjoyed Bodies but since I saw Dark first, I was annoyed by the similarities at times, even some of the dialogue weas almost the same, at least in the German version which I watched.
Yes that is what I noticed too! I do like Dark a lot more though. The whole loop thing seems much more refined there.
I dropped in here while watching ep 5 to see if it was worth continuing. Looks like it’s all upwards from here 🎉 Cheers! Thank you 🎉
Bad writing too many holes they had no way of explaining so left it incomplete
They couldn't make sense out of this. For god sake, just tell me when was elias mannix really born (his timeline doesn't make sense at all). This is not even the case of grandfather paradox. Glad I'm not the only one who's scratching his head with this.
I think you can sum this whole show up in 2 words
Convoluted Nonsense
Another 'thing I never heard about but sounds interesting as hell and am going to have to check out' that I ONLY heard about from you guys.
Invaluable channel if you're not someone who likes to spend an eternity scrolling through your streaming libraries to find the good stuff lol.
And I would still love to see you guys cover The Spine of Night (2021).
Agree with most of what you say; it’s good & very entertaining but not as great as Netflix’s Dark
8/10 show but only if you ignore the last 2 episodes. The ending really dragged it down.
Last 3 for me. Not sure how this review thought the last half is better.
This show is dark for imbeciles
This show is dark for imbeciles
This show is dark for imbeciles
finally the comments i was looking for. I also think that the setup for the series was quite interesting (first 4-5 episodes) but the wrap up in the last 3 episodes was really annoying and wrong paced. The show did us not give a convincing answer for the motives of Mannix. "He was searching for love which he never got as a child" is a little bit to simple
These series are the fiction of science fiction, to say the least. Any realistic paradoxes are ignored or the storyline writers are not aware of any. They had to follow at least two phenomena: the grandfather's paradox and the butterfly effect. I was hyped at the beginning, but let down by nonsense in the end.
Conner, I’m not trying to massage ego here. I’m really not. I thought this was the most on-point, accurate review of any show/movie I have ever seen. I agreed with 99% of your analysis. That’s all fine. But what impressed me was your detailed work in your evaluation. Bravo! I’m going to now have to watch more of your reviews.
This is a lovely thing to say James! Thank you very much for your kind words!
I really tried to get into it but after no 5 I just couldn’t go on., 8 ? Could’ve done it in 4.. felt like they were dragging it along to use up time..
Wasn't the best show I've seen
Too many plot holes to count 😂
I loved the jumble. Know what you mean but it created so many great moments when it clicked in to place later.
Loved this show the only thing id say is, you know how in horror movies the best ones are where they dont show the monster, i think in this case the "monster" is time travel and they visualized it too much ... but thats just me nit picking. Its an amazing show .
That's a really interesting comparison that's sparked my imagination! Thank you for sharing it Sam!
I just finished the serie and I need an answer : what did the existence of Elias changed ? Why did Elias mattered so much ?
My husband and I binged watched Bodies in it's entirety. While we really enjoyed the series (we loved the whole aspect of time travel) there were parts of it that we had issues with and certain parts of it that we took exception to. I don't know much about physics so I can't say how realistic the plot is, but it goes to prove that DeFoe's theory that everything is pre-destined is absolutely false in that we do have a choice. We always have a choice. Where I think the series messed up was in Mannix's decision to free his teenage self in 2023 of the responsibility of detonating that bomb. Mannix, the grown-up Mannix of 1890, 1943 and 2023 was a narcissist. A narcissist lacks a conscience, they lack remorse and would never apologize to anyone, let alone acknowledge to himself that he'd done anything wrong. Narcissists are never wrong, at least not in their own minds. Nothing that inspector said to him in the paddy wagon in 1890 would have bothered him at all and Mannix would have gone home to Polly and never said a word about what he'd done or why. I'm amazed that he was able to convince so many people to go along with his plot especially since it wouldn't come to fruition until so far into the distant future and they wouldn't have even been alive to witness Mannix's brave new world. Other than that, it had us on the edge of our seats. Oh, and the whole, "Know you are loved" was just plain creepy. What a vulgar abuse of the word "loved".
Great breakdown Madmax! Hope that you and your husband enjoy whatever your next watch is!
Disagree with your assessment of Mannix - or at least, his narcissism. Narcissists are quite often plagued by self-doubt, and self-loathing. That those feelings are deep beneath the surface is immaterial. They guide almost everything the narcissist does, because for as large as narcissistic egos are, those egos are also paper thin. If you've ever met a narcissist you'll know what I'm talking about. The way they will, word for word, remember a long forgotten insult decades later. How they will pore obsessively over perceived past insult, and nurse grudges long after they are forgotten.
I agree that Mannix is a narcissist, but that is precisely why the words of Hillinghead in the wagon would have so utterly shaken him. Ego injury is the singular greatest terror for the narcissist. Can you imagine how he must have felt, stepping into the wagon, thinking he was master of the universe, controller of time, and a narrative that spanned centuries. Then Hillinghead starts spouting his real identity, exposing the secrets Mannix thought only he knew - and most importantly, assuring him that it would all be in vain.
For a narcissist to hear that they will be unloved, unwanted, unvalidated - those words would haunt them for years. To hear them from a man who's quitely explaining hard truths from your future that he should never know at all, would be utterly crippling for a narcissist.
It's very hard to grasp that free will doesnt exist cuz it's an illusion
Very solid review. Subscribed 👍
Thank you Elliot!
Gave up on episode 4. Was way too complicated with all the different time lines and I wasn’t emotional invested in any of the characters
One question I've been asking myself after watching this, is how many time do you think the loop ran before it was broken?
It's a loop. There is no beggining or end to it, event should repeat themselves naturally. A loop can't be broken, this is why it's a loop
Could have happened in theory a millions of times, or as you saw play out, maybe the loop was always meant to be broken, as the Professor said... Free will is just an illusion.
What i want to know is how the loop started? Who impregnated polly before elias banged her
Bodies is about as good as anything there is in the time travel sub-genre of science-fiction. If you liked shows such as Dark or The Devil's Hour, or loved Predestination or any of the smarter time travel stories around then you'll be very happy with this surprising gem. It's tense, atmospheric, genuinely original and wholly unpredictable.
This series is the exquisitely crafted intersection of all of them. It weaves together the lived and experiences of 4 people, scattered across time in London. Each time period is crafted, from costumes to music, with care and precision. It's both hopeful and tragic, and so compelling
This was a cracking Honest Review! Thank you for sharing it with us Praveen!
Not really dude. The main plot is nonsense to begin with, and a paradox. The whole serie is a never ending nonsense through the end, not to mention the poor work on characters which are basically mainstream but as minorities. In my opinion is just a waste of time, and barely 4/10
Edit: it's predictable from like the second episode, where you can appreciate how there is the same person 150 years later. It may be unpredictable because instead of just shooting the guy before the bomb explodes they go through a bunch of huge nonsense to save the population and still he vanishes. Like seriously
Très belle présentation d'une série très bien menée sur tous les plans,.. surtout avec le concept de voyage intertemporel qui malheureusement n'était pas bien développé...
Moi aussi j'ai beaucoup apprécié la période 1941 Karl et Esther... l'ambiance de la deuxième guerre mondiale,les ruelles de Londres,la lumière bleue et le personnage de Karl vraiment attractif et bien mené..
Les 1890; g beaucoup aimé le personnage de Polly et la maman de Manix...les décors et les costumes de cette époque sont tout simplement très très chiques❤
La musique était quelque chose d'extraordinaire et tellement touchante que j'ai téléchargé tous les soundtracks de la série
Enfin, Stephen Graham était au top j'ai beaucoup adoré son histoire inhabituelle a travers les différentes époques...bravo Manix, really know you are loved ❤
Une série,comme vous avez dit, qui tourne la tête par son scénario complexe mais ça mérite à voire
Merci ❤
I enjoyed the show but how can young Elias be the offspring of older Elias?
Generations of Elias being Elias, featuring Elias. Hes being reborn, its a loop.
@@ISTHIStheKRUSTYKRABxjust like dark
Time loop
Because it can't :) It's a well known paradox called the paradox of the grandfather, something that doesn't have a source to its existence. Usually people makes it look like a ''second timeline'' more than a loop, because it can't be a loop
They didn't do a very good job in showing this, right? This is bootstrap paradox applied so lazily, it isn't even funny.
At least in Dark we know how Jonas from his world has Origin with Alt Martha, and how their progeny loops back to both-- whole families we get to know over the course of three seasons. Makes it more believable when the bloodline is explored well, which can't be said in case of Bodies.
I loved this series but the thing that really spoiled it for me was the quality of the special effects.
I think the nuclear blast as well as the time portal were pivotal themes and these really could have had a big impact but they just fell short.
I don't understand why the guy in the cafe killed himself when talking to Hassan??? What did it do plot wise and what drove him to do it?
Because he knew the truth about his friend Alias and the burden of keeping it was too much.
Great production value, great acting, excellent cast, the writing is superb, especially compared to all the other Netflix productions, this is a huge stand out. I have been thinking about the underlying drive of this narrative, and, and this saddens me to the core, the message essentially is that in order for this one British kid to feel loved for just one brief moment in time, they have to set up a complicated scheme to destroy the world, then fight to prevent its destruction, then commit various timeline violations, and murder a bunch of people, for that one moment. This kid that was a victim of neglect and abandonment. This tells you something about today's culture, doesn't it?
I loved the series and all the plot(twists).
All the caracters were great and my fav was Hillinghead. Loved his story and his twist in the final!
The final felt a little rushed if you know what I mean. Still a great ending though.
Ep1: 9.5/10
Ep2: 8/10
Ep3: 8.5/10
Ep4: 9/10
Ep5: 10/10
Ep6: 8.5/10
Ep7: 8/10
Ep8: 9/10 (Ending blew me away, like whaaat is Iris doing there and that building in the background).
One of the best series ever made!
If you liked it you might love Dark. Basically it's almost the same plot but made better and without the problems of logic in it
Interesting premise but as @tonandon states, the main premise really makes little sense unless it is better explained in the books. I liked it but too many convenient unanswered questions.
Sorry. Have to turn this off and go watch it. You sold me in the first three minutes. I will come back.
Agreed it feels very trope-like and I think they could've done beter but I have never read the comic so it just might be they either wanted to stay true to it or changed some stuff.
Please know that you are loved
I was interested in both Hillinghead and Whiteman I thought they were both interesting.
Whiteman was cooler
Love your content.
This review stated exactly how I felt about this series.
The premise was interesting, 4 same bodies in 4 different times at the same place. We were thinking what's that meaning, that it was part of a grand scheme. Turn out that bodies were never important to the villain's scheme.
And also the time travel is not consistent here. From the start we are learned that everything is predestined, we couldn't change the future. What happen in the future are because of Elias' travel to 1890 and from there he set up everything. But in the last episode the basic theory changed. Somehow you could change the future now. Please, at least use one theory about time travel in one movie/series. Not mixed it. This is the biggest weakness, I enjoy it until ep 7,but laat episode is trying so hard to have a happy ending.
Cheers for sharing your Honest Review, Ed!
Who got polly pregnant before elias got her pregnant? Or where the heck did elias come from before the loop started?
I really loved this episode, I think this 1 season few episodes show is the thing now, the show doesn't really linger on useless dialogues and each episode is crucial and missing it you lose a chunk of the story, I really don't analyze it as much, in general it was quite ambitious running 4 different times concurrently and keeping all of them interesting and well connected. It was a brilliant watch, and I would recommend this show. the 4 bodies were the main attraction.
I think that the setup for the series was quite interesting (first 4-5 episodes) but the wrap up in the last 3 episodes was really annoying and wrong paced. The show did us not give a convincing answer for the motives of Mannix. "He was searching for love which he never got as a child" is a little bit to simple
Having seen Bodies, I suspect Dark was based on the same source material but way better executed.
Dark is waaaaay more complex and intricate and better executed. This is a lighter version.
Bodies is best series i have ever watched after the watcher season 2 should come
Any series involving Time travel will always have question marks. i think they made it interesting enough. Obviously it will not be without a hole, its time travel.
It reminded me off continum
Illbe honest. The bombing detection ois just silly . No way would the police mi6 let the police woman drive off with him. Be in max security . Let it down.
Shepherd's Chapel Network !!!!!!! Do you have the Gift / Spiritual Discernment ???????
Does anyone else feel like the second half is better?
Too many time travel movies series are creating fatigue.I remeber the days triangle movie used to be my favourite.Dark was the pinnacle of time movies.
I was drawn in by the premise but soon the time travel stuff had my eyes glazed over. I am so uninterested with time travel shows by now. It is overdone now and melts my brain.
Netflix FINALLY did something good again. AAMAZINNG I love it I was hooked through whole thing the plot the music the cinematic my god. Wow. I love these type of mystery series. Love. Hopefully there is a season two with a different story. Wow.
Best since DARK, not as great, but still loved it!
It's Dark, if it was written by less competent writers. You're better off seeing Dark.
Just started is this going to have homo sexual scenes? I started to watch with my kids and it seemed it was going that way.
No don't worry, just 1890 is gay and fuck one time but we don't see anything anyway. What you should be warned about is when a woman laugh saying ''oh I said too much'' she will cuts her tongue with her teeth. And there is also a scene in a mall where a teen kills himself. If your kids aren't grown enough to watch two men kiss I don't think you should watch this show with them considering what I already told you about some scenes in the serie
@@chaperonrouge8309 Thanks
@@chaperonrouge8309They actually show them homo sex scenes three times, and imply more. For me it was annoying.
A lot of loose ends but a very good series nonetheless
I feels like a chore to watch. I have watched 4 episodes. I finish it now when half way through. On paper this series was probably was. The execution just fails. I think mostly it is the camera work and the directing. These are all good actors. But what?
I love the show
i've seen too much Star Trek for this one to make any lasting impact on me whatsoever.
Just finished watching it now. Makes me wish our current time line could be reversed out of existence like this one's was. Made me shred tears thinking that.
Here's a Review : Cheap production at an Eastenders TV level. Badly ! Acted and a total waste of Stephen Graham's talent.
Dark lite...very lite
great show 5 /5
It’s ok but tiring series.
One of the worst serie ever seen. Nothing makes sense at all. The main plot is a paradox already where there is no beginning. The whole plot revolves around the impossibility of changing the past, while in the end they actually change it. Physics laws don't apply the same, so the professor came back in 4 different bodies while everyone else not. To stop the boy from exploding a bomb they could just go back and kill him but nobody thinks about that. Overall the serie is slow, characters are not developed well, it's full of nonsense and the whole plot is just dumb and non consistent. I can't imagine how anyone would enjoy this mess of a serie tbh
A gay detective, a handicapped female detective, a Jewish detective, and a strong black Muslim female detective all walk into a bar....
a 5 from me
*People need to stop comparing this to Dark* it’s its own thing and actually came out before Dark.. amazing series
As shows coming one after the other on the same streaming platform, comparisons are inevitable.
Even though Bodies is in a sense the OG in terms of premise (purely based on the fact that the comic came first), it wasn't as long drawn or masterfully executed as Dark. The characters and storylines were rushed to fit into one season.
I also feel that Dark being of a similar concept but one that is well-rounded becomes a cushion of sorts for all the gaping holes in Bodies. Again, I haven't read the comic so I wouldn't know how much of the time travel shenanigans it really explores. The screenwriting though lazily draws from Dark with certain costume choices, character moments etc. and makes no effort to justify them.
The series validate the zero positive community
.Makes no sense. Very disappointing. .
Didn't like dark at all.
Creators of Dark copied the story from Bodies comic 😂.
Bodies is million times better than dark.
12 Monkeys is the best time travel show ever 😉
Are you kidding ?
What a terrible show 🤣 first couple of episodes were grand, but so terrible once it gets into it
Best character was absolutely Whiteman. Best anti hero
I totally agree with you ❤
lets hope it doesnt do a netflix and go super woke.
Hillinghead is gay, Shahara is muslim, does the wokeness scare you? 🤭
No don't scare at all.. Just make me puke. 🤮
London wouldn’t be London without Diversity - *Are you tapped* ?
It did. 3 was enough for me!
It was unwatchably woke from Episode 1. Of course, the female cop was a muslim. Of course she chased the armed guy without any back-up. The whole thing was utter bollocks.
Pretty much agree with your review, would only like to add that this show is so hard to get through because the most likable character in it is a murderous rat. You have the lady who is married to her job and fails at it every step of the way. There is the guy who is cheating on his wife and ignoring his child. And then the ugly on the outside and uglier on the inside ableist bootlicker.
Several woke agenda boxes ticked again.
When someone says this, you know they are too old to matter
@@tangofoxtrot40enjoy your homo sex scenes, muslims with headscarves, solo moms and not one decent white dude in whole of London.
Yet again another Netflix show with a gay storyine that may take over the main story and become the focus just like other Netflix shows. Two men passionately kissing each other?????.....no that ruined a brilliant main story for me won't be watching anymore.....its obvious Bodies has set up the gay storyline for later episodes. Plus what I've seen so far Stephen Graham has very little screen time.
I get where you’re coming from but keep watching. Thankfully that particular plot is not a focus in the later episodes, just a character subplot and one of the many commentaries on society’s past, present and potential future.
Hope you found your safe space.
yup thought they tried stuffing too much modern day identity/social justice/racial blah blah blah crap into it. the tranny's openly running around London in 1890 would have been a life threatening thing to do most likely would have got you killed being Netflix you knew it would have gay something or another in it it is a gimee with them these day's
You upset over two men kissing and say it ruined a story?? Go deal with your homophobia then maybe you’ll enjoy a good show
Stick to your guns fella