Insane DARK Season 3 Ending Theory That Will BLOW Your Mind | NETFLIX DARK S3 EXPLAINED
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- Insane DARK Season 3 Ending Theory That Will BLOW Your Mind | NETFLIX DARK S3 EXPLAINED. We recap and explain the ending of Dark Season 3 on Netflix and breakdown the alternate fan theory that says how the loop has just started over once again.
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Dark Season 3 Breakdown
Ok so Dark centred around Adam and Eva, two time travelling characters from seperate worlds that were at war with one another.
At one point Adam smashed her box in like you should smash that like button and Eva or rather Martha became pregnant with his child.
Adam believed that destroying their child would end the time loop that all of the characters in the show had been trapped in whereas due to her motherly instinct, Eva just wanted to protect him.
This led to a finale in Adam killed Martha and their child, however, much to his surprise he felt fine and didn't suddenly disappear.
This is when Claudia arrived and explained that there was actually a third world that the characters were not aware of. In this origin world the inventor H.G. Tanhaus had created a time machine in order to save his family from dying.
However it backfired and split the universe into two, creating branched realities in which other possibilities could play out.
Claudia had spent her time in the loops retracing all of the family trees of the characters and had surmised that because she could not fully trace back who her daughter's real father was that they were actually in an offshoot reality rather than the origin one.
Thus she sent Adam and his younger self Jonas back in time with Martha to save Tanhaus' family in the origin world which would remove the need to create a time machine that would create their offshoot world's in the first place.
They accomplished this and those not created by the timeloop were seen in the final scene sitting around the dinner table celebrating their happy lives in what the show deemed as paradise.
Looked like a crappy friday night to me but who am I to judge.
Now when I first saw this I was over the moon for the characters, they'd finally all got their happy ending and Woller even had his eye back. Sure some of the characters created by the family trees in the timeloop were gone but on the whole it was pretty positive.
I was happy to let this go but then CZcams user Vizi Elod dropped a comment on my ending explained that I haven't been able to stop thinking about.
After rewatching the ending with this in mind I think it actually holds a lot of weight.
So in the final scene we see the friends sitting around the table, celebrating, all of a sudden the lights go out, Hannah experiences Deja Vu, looks over to a yellow raincoat similar to the one that the travellers wore, says that she felt the people in the loops passing away and states she will name her child Jonas.
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The moment tanahuas switches on the the time machine. His time line where he builds the time machine has stopped and Adams and Eva's universes are created instantaneously and have existed simultaneously for ever. But the catch is they appear to exist forever and the loops that have happened before are only virtual, because everything before the time machine was switched on took place as in the original timeline. So what we viewers see in the show is the first time the loop involving all the charecters including Adam, Eve, Jonas , Martha , Claudia and others takes place in reality. All the charecters and their versions are actually created at the moment the original time machine is switched on with some of them (charecters who are aware of time travel) having preprogrammed memories of the same loops that have happend before. The virtual reality and the reality are indistinguishable to the characters. Every thing in the actual reality happens exaclty same as in the previous infinite virtual loops including Claudia finding the loophole and Jonas and Martha stopping the car accident . But it's only this time that Jonas and Martha actually really exist and witness the accident is stopped. And so the super imposed state of accident happening and not happening simultaneously collapses and we get a concrete timeline where it is observed for real that the accident didnot happen. So Adams and Eva's timelines go out of existence and anew timeline with tanahuas son, daughter in law and grand daughter still alive begins
Thank you Thomas, have a good week
I think Claudia created new loop for keeping Regina alive.
When Jonas world is ended a new world is created. The end is the beginning and the beginning is the end.
Matter is neither created nor destroyed it only transforms
I was really expecting Jonas and Martha to cause the river accident.
That would have been more fucked up an endless loop again
and everything happen again
I was 99% sure thats what was going to happen
amit nagpal OHMYGOD me toooooooo
Same
Hannah's child in the origin world would definitely not be the same Jonas from the show since it has a different father. The idea that the same person can be created no matter who the parents are makes absolutely no sense and would make the whole family tree in the show pretty pointless, since the ancestry becomes arbitrary.
Exactly, I do think there is a bigger loop as children Jonas and Martha saw each other in the tunnel, meaning them, going to prevent the loop from happening, had already happened, but that doesn't mean they will come to existence in the original timeline, which, as you say makes no sense. It only means, the loop is bigger than we thought
Quantum Entanglement, both things happen and don't happen, at the same time in the same space, so...
or hannah cheated on mikkel with woller.
You’re missing one small, tiny detail.
I agree and all but, when alt-Martha meets Jonas... she REMEMBERS him from another life. A life that never happened. How?
In the same way, the ending gives us some insight with Hannah’s de-ja-vu, and the dream she had the night before. How can that be possible? And it’s just then that she knows her son will be Jonas.
It’s left for you to decide.
Teb but that would render the whole family tree loop narrative non-functional
There is another way of interpreting the last scene and it doesn’t involve putting the origin world in any kind of loop.
Remember show’s tagline - the end is the beginning, the beginning is the end? Well that’s literally what we see there. But from a perspective of an unaware participant. The dinner takes place in base reality and the lights going out are probably due to Tannhaus activating his time machine for the very first time as shown in a scene earlier last season where he is a much older version of himself. Now, here’s the tricky part. When the lights go out the whole story told across 3 season happens, with loops and hoops and all the things we’ve come to love about Dark. However, characters having dinner in base reality are completely unaware of anything ever happening since base reality got split until Jonas and Martha fixed it. At the moment of them changing the fate of Tannhaus’s family base reality gets reassembled and carries on and that’s when the lights go on again. This is exactly how everyone in base reality experienced Dark. Tannhaus pushed a button, lights went out for a second, lights came back. From their point of view nothing happened. A bit Lynch, but I like it that way.
This way the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning. In the end we see how it started and how it ended. And if you choose to interpret it this way the whole story takes place between lights off and on so it all happened… in the Dark. Here’s your pun Mr Deffinition ;)
The best interpretation I've ever read.
That's the best interpretation you can get from it. I love this theory.
You were going the right way but no so of that.. The time machine made by Tannhau was started in 1986 and this is a time of 2019, 2020 and here nothing changed, Cause if you are saying light off indicates Tannhau pushing the buttons then that would have meant in that moment there would be people there which weren't present after the reality was changed and Tannhau's family lived.. Bt in both cases that doesn't seem to affect anything of now.. So maybe it was just a normal powercut or any other theory to that, Maybe what was mentioned in the video
А very good one
This could be it cuz no one in the base world would have to worry about anything thing. Everything we watch was from the other 2 worlds so maybe everything happens in that fraction of a second aka the dinner table idk 🤷🏾♂️
In short, what we know is a DROP, and what we don't is an OCEAN.
Doesn't that also mean every cycle is a wave?
Which means the ocean that is what we don't know must always expand when we become more knowledgeable, as the drop is what we do know (and so the drop also expands). Because it is a ratio between a drop and an ocean, and so it remains that what we know is a drop and what we don't know is an ocean. And so, we are always kept in the dark of what we don't know ;) (And now you see how while these ideas are interesting, they are dangerous rabbit holes that people can destroy their whole life over. But in H.G. Tannhaus' case, it was that he destroyed the lives of people who lived in two alternate realities of his own).
The line is from the first season
@@littlegreen9274 no it means that the ratio is approaching infinity
@@aarav7851 can you elaborate?
I'm Just gonna wait 33 years for Netflix to do season 4
Wow!!! That is going to be sooooooo cool.
or find some cave to get there sooner.
@@hamad87ad *cave suspiciously near a nuclear plant
Netflix has done it already exactly in 33 years time. But just once Netflix was original...
@@hamad87ad that's after the apocalypse
One thing that I haven't seen very many people mention regarding the 'new/bigger loop' is that Hannah breaks the 4th wall. She looks directly into the camera, at us, as viewers ("... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.” -- Nietzsche) when she mentions Jonas's name. This is essentially akin to young Jonas and Martha passing photon's in the 'gap' between each other, entangling their existences to no bounds.
But what's happening, and it's one of THE most chilling aspects of this show -- is that this action by Hannah IMPLICATES US as quantum observers, and brings us into the loop itself.
It's a subtle thing, but at the same time it is probably one of the most powerful things in a show I've ever watched. It puts a whole new perspective on watching S1 and S2 again -- because now you are are a known observer. YOU are the one collapsing the wave function of the quantum entanglement. YOU are allowing the deja-vu to occur. YOU are the one keeping the loop going and it's TRUE because... well, you're watching it.
It's so subtly brilliant, powerful, and mysterious at the same time.
Every time I see this show now, I will see it with new eyes.
🙀 excellent!
I love this!
Wow
I didn't understand. A little more explanation please? 😅
Fuuuuck. (Yep, that's my reaction after every episode...)
Dark: When your mother is such a terrible person that destroying all families in town is not enough, so she travels in different time lines to destroy MORE lives 😂😁😂
And Jonas kills her
I find her less terrible than Ulrich. she at least is satisfied in a world where she has Ulrich. but that guy can never keep it in his pants.
@@SleepIntoTheDiamondLife Ulrich and his dad aren't that different. The only redeemable one was the Ulrich that looked for Mikkel
Dayum... I really hated Hannah, she just ugh....
I think Hannah just have to meet the right person that she loves, I mean I see hannah married michael (aka mikkel) is just a short runaway from her feelings towards Ulrich, where in the fact Hannah still obssesed with him and cheating on mikkel. And basically Ulrich treat her like a garbage, even in alternate universe, Hannah is satisfied enough when he married Ulrich and didn't cheating on him.
Also, don't forget when he hook up with Egon, Egon is also bad man by taking no responsibilities towards her pregnancy.
So I don't really blaming her.
The ending was satisfying ,they should not make season 4
Or 33
@@oznivictal6809 bruh bruh
There is an alternate reality where a season 4 is in production. Luckily we don’t live in that world.
@@JustinMoralesTheComposer well played.
@Androva J. but he will exist in reality..Hannah says she will name her son Jonas
That ending was to create a "free for interpretation" argument. You can take one route or the other and you won´t be wrong. It´s created to satisfy every fan, those who wanted a happy ending and those who wanted a neverending heartbreaking new loop. People will speak of this ending for years and that´s the beauty of it.
As there are alternate worlds there are alternate endings and in that the loop never ends.
@@causeway1234 To me the loop affects other alternate universes since Martha and Jonas probably only succeeds by going to the one where the do save the family of Taanhaus
The thing is there's alternate reality world where both occurs one have happy ending other have all the never ending loops so everyone is happy or there as possibility for people to interpret However they want
Exactly. Similar to the coin in Inception. Is it a dream?
Great perspective on this. I highly agree with your point of view.
Theory: The ending is actually the beginning of the show. That's why she had a deja vu, this is the moment of creating the 2 worlds. "The beginning is the end, and the end is the beginning"
And the lights going out is the reason why its called Dark :O :O :O
Yeah, I think you're right, I also wonder how else did Jonas and Martha watch each other in that space portal when they were kids, the fact that they remember having that experience right before they disappear... To me, that points out that it is all part of the loop, and any action, no matter what, will keep this loop going
No.
In the end, we watching at universe where son of tannhaus dont' die, thats mean time travel machine didn't exist, and final scene can't be moment when he turn on machine
The 33 year loops are cycles. The ending we saw was the last cycle. It was a break off point between them breaking the cycle vs. them failing to do so. This hints of parallel universes one in which they did succeed and therefore the loop does not happen and the other in which the loop continued itself endlessly or ended at a different cycle. If we want to think bigger it can also be that the Jonas and Martha from the two worlds loop in one reality is only able to succeed because they entered another parallel universe in which they did making it that each alternate universe/reality affect eachother in a sort of sequence hence the childhood closet meeting, the dreams and de ja vu
Nah, it's like Jonas and Martha said. They'll only be remembered as a dream. All the events DID happen, but they no longer exist, so that's why Hannah has deja vu and she named her kid Jonas because of the deja vu, also she liked the name Jonas, since she named her kid Jonas (duh).
Great thought
Dark is best series ever never believe anything else...😂😁
🙌🙌🙌🙌
No it isn't
Have you not seen Breaking Bad?
Say my name
too much freemasonary symbolism
Light doesn't cut out, it flickers when the time machine is operated. So, the final scene in the dining table doesn't seem to me as a sign of time machine being operated at that time.
Fair enough
Lights flicker as well sometimes when time travel happens, for example there's a school scene where lights flicker, or a scene with young Ulrich and Hannah.
So that dinner scene happened in 1986?
@@geraldjohnson7435 not possible, in 1986 they were a lot younger, it could be between 2000 to 2003.
Maybe it's cause they already have the powerplant to support the electricity output in alternative world and light flickers but in origin world there is no power plant and so the light just goes off.
Claudia : I've understood it all
Wöller : Hold my Eye
THE MORE I LEARN, THE DARKER IT GETS,
"DARK" In a Nutshell
Hahah basically
Thats what happened to jonas
Yah
"mind blowing" doesn't begin to describe the show
One of the best sci-fi shows ever
I stick with the original ending: everyone disappears and everyone is happy. The thought of them going through same misery kills me.
Hahah it’s gonna mess with your head so much, taken me about a week to get around to making this
Heavy Spoilers Well, I can handle the plot twist and everything that comes with Dark, because to be honest it was nit that much complicated for me, but I can’t handle it emotionally: all this misery and sadness was killing me.
Me too.
I prefer this, it makes more sense to me. The idea is that what we have seen in the first 2 seasons has been repeating itself for infinity, the idea of everyone being stuck in the same loop but it was basically hell because the people kept living the pain and suffering over and over and over again. The finale of season 3 brings a more final ending to the concept, essentially freeing all previous characters from their hellish loops
The only problem with taking the existing ending at face value is that it creates it's own time paradox. Jonas and Marta save the clockmaker's son, so he never makes the time machine, so he never splits the world into the other two realities, so Jonas and Marta never exist to save his son, so his son dies, so he DOES make the time machine, so Jonas and Marta do exist to save his son and round and round we go. It makes more logical sense for the origin world to be trapped in the same causal loop as the other two, only the loop is much bigger than even Claudia ever realized. Otherwise the show creators have some 'splainin' to do with regard to how this time paradox at the end can be resolved.
Okay one more thing on this. When Jonas and Martha are travelling to the origin world, they are stuck in the time bridge. Now, there is a moment here when their younger-selves see each other in the basement and the closet respectively. And later in the origin world, when they discuss about it, they happen to have a memory of it from their childhood (Martha asks Jonas if she saw him "In the closet?"). This can have two meanings to it-
1) they have done this before and hence saw what they saw in the basement and closet when they were kids. That means this is a part of the never ending loop.
2) They might have now developed that memory in the present day because they had influenced their memory of the past when they were at the time bridge.
Or maybe when the two worlds were split, the events that occur in the origin world and other two worlds should be same not 100% but a significant one. Thats why what happened in the Eva's world, is the copy of the origin world and thats why when she was a child, she too saw the same thing what origin Martha as a child saw. Because when Tannhouse split the worlds, the memory of the existing people in the origin world also would be copied to the both worlds.
So when the tunnel Martha says 'It was you in the closet?', Jonas wasn't necessarily there in the closet. She is just recalling the memory of the origin world Martha
The only question is when Martha saw Jonas as a kid and Mikkel as his father. What's that supposed to mean? I'm not able to get an explanation around that though
Yea ...1) is possible....I too thought same at that point ..how come she knew that (younger)she saw jonas in closet? ...may be this have repeated once :) therefore infinite loop again ...
@@nayankulkarni5131 "So when the tunnel Martha says 'It was you in the closet?', Jonas wasn't necessarily there in the closet. She is just recalling the memory of the origin world Martha"
There shouldn't be an origin world Martha. The fact that Martha remembers it in the present HEAVILY implies that they have saved the Tannhaus family in a loop. After all, the only way Jonas or Martha can exist is if the Tannhaus family dies and Papa Tannhaus time-travels. What I think happens is that the "fixed" world with an alive Tannhaus family causes a different time travel...one where someone (connected to the entanglement, I suppose?) goes back in time and runs the Tannhaus family off the road. Cue the Jonas/Martha loop all over again.
@@andrewstolzmann2663 Makes sense. The Martha may be remembering the memory from an alternate entangled universe. The one which got split and copied the memories of this incident as well
Andrew, Yes correct 👍🏻 Your point of view seems to make sense !!!
Okay so the thing with Wöller’s eye/arm, is it possible that because we never learn the origin of this, it’s actually evidence of another loop? Kinda like how Claudia could never find Regina’s father in the loops, we can never trace back to Wöller’s accident. Every time he’s about to explain it there’s something stopping him, almost like it’s controlled by time...
All I can say about Wöller is Solid Snake casting: complete.
Oh yes, that could be the case, just like when Jonas wanted to kill himself
Lol no the real actor injured his eye before filming and the writers decided to write it into his character
I think it is just a running gag that he never got to explain what happened to his eye/arm and nobody in the series really cares about him.
@@laneythelame but in the alternate world, the actor had normal eyes tho
Now people are forcefully making theories 😂😂😂😂😂
The bad part is: these are so interesting.
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂true that coz they can't handle how such a good show came to an end
But complete nonsense.... you can't just make up stuff out of thin air and call it a theory. We didn't even see Tannhaus pick up a screw driver. At this point you could say: The yellow jacket is an alien shapeshifter causing new dimensions. That's a theory. Sure.
....
.... no.
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I don't believe EVERYONE ceased to exist from within the two branching off worlds. Simply by entering the origin world, and interacting with Marek and Sonja, Jonah and Martha exist in some capacity. Two people hold memories of them. their voices, choice of dress, their words, etc. No matter how brief the encounter was, it was substantial enough for Marek to think of them as "Angels". They will not be forgotten. Thus, they exist.
Beautiful theory! I believe this too
I believe this because the loop has to exist for it to be destroyed. So there really isn't a loop anymore, but a very long line with Jonas and Martha's prevention at the end
I just think that's a plot hole that can't ever be solved
They were certainly real for Marek and Sonja. I agree.
Remember the beginning is the end and the ending is the beginning. Therefore , there is no happy ending. The creates told us all we needed to know about Dark in the above statement. I’m glad someone finally got what they were telling us.
Yup! Wish I’d said that in my video now 🤣🤣🤣 fml
no infinite loop cause old alt Martha says "this hasn't happened before"
@@Charliezard7 maybe its becauzw after that all person in split realities is vanish, so claudia cant tell the younger claudia what happend, therefore se says it hasnt happened before, but in reality it always happen like a loop.
The thing is, since time travel *is* possible, eventually someone else will discover it, and all of the same problems will ensue when it’s discovered again. It’s not a matter of if, but when.
Exactly, I've been saying this as well. Nothing tells us that Tannenbaum doesn't make the machine later. Maybe his son family dies in some other way - fate won't let it go.
I believe it was Claudia who was explaining to Adam in the final episodes that everything meant to happen will happen, even if its under different circumstances and even different time periods. If "fate" has determined a certain major event is meant to happen such as the the creation of time travel or the apocalypse then I see no reason why Jonas and Martha closing their loop didn't delay it happening later or even sooner. I think the closing of the loop was a reset, not an end.
@@auggiebendoggy this is so true as eva always said’ things may not happen at the same time or same manner but they always happen’
it's a nice dark theory, BUT many people keep saying that jonas will be the same jonas from the loop BUT HE CAN'T BE. he was created by time travel, by the sperm of grown-up mikkel, not the current spouse of hannah. this show is heavily based in sience, moreso than fiction. so scientifically/biologically jonas existing is imposible. (and so is martha btw, cause Ulrich doesn't exist since tronte or his mother wouldn't exist either assuming that the loop was permanently broken. which it was since you know... we were SHOWN the main characters disappear into thin air)
Unless woller and Alexander are twin brothers and have similar dna
i was looking for that comment, thank you 😂
I agree... but then can I ask... is it biologically possible (like... is it a matter of probability) that you can become your own grandma/Grandpa? _(looking at Elis and Char)_
@@MeiTanteixX well i get what you mean. dark does bend the biological rules sometimes, but this is completely basic. a totally different dna cannot make the same jonas.
To me it was obvious since this jonas that hannah gives birth to is woller's son and not the son of michael, obviously the jonas in the origin world is going to be completely different from what we knew him to be. But there is a connection there because the split world of adam and eve was born out of the origin world, so naturally there will be things we see mirrored such as in the name of hannah's son "jonas". To me it was more to show that this way "jonas" gets a new life free from pain and suffering, not shaped by the events that we have seen over the course of the season, but as i said this new jonas is a completely different person because of that
Hannah’s deja vu was simultaneous with her dead. She said the lights were flickering and then everything turn into darkness. I believe that happened while Jonas was choking on her. Then she add, for some reason, I felt free, no past, no present, absolute darkness, I thought it was interesting how she was describing her own dead without noticing at all. And so, It’s unlikely another loop was taking place after Jonas and Martha saved Tanhauss family.
Eerie
Martha + Jonas = Tanhaus
In another video it's explained that the things Hannah experiences in another worlds can remain in original hannah's memory ( since they are connected). Do you know how some children remember their past lives incidents or when they go to some place, they recognise it quickly even tho they've never visited it or they feel like they've done this before too. It's SMTH like that
@@maddy4690 It's like Okabe acquired steins ability to remember it and the red hair girl remember it sometimes later
@@FakeLLama23 No God No
read this like Michael in Office
Oh mate, I feel really Honored that you have created a whole video based on my theory :D However, I do know that many people attack this theory, this is my interpretation of the ending. It didn't mean that the Johnas will be the same Johnas. Didn't either mean that Charlotte will be born etc. But for me, the whole ending scene wasn't a sign for anything positive at all. For me it clearly has a deeper meaning. What I further like about this series, just as you mentioned. To more time we re-watch it, and the more people watch the series, the more theories and the more different interpretations we will get out of it. Still a masterpiece. I believe we do not necessary have to all agree on this theory or on any specific theory. I simply like the way how they basically left the place for us to create theories after this ending.
Ey no problem, your comment really got me thinking and I hate you on some levels 🤣🤣🤣 I know you didn’t say or imply some of the stuff it’s just how I kinda took the idea and then built on it in my own head. I didn’t just wanna read your theory out word for word so hope you don’t mind. Appreciate you checking out both videos and thanks again so much for a really well written and thought out comment, it’s massively changed the shows ending for me so much love
@@heavyspoilers I'm glad to hear that! Well done on both of the videos. Appreciate your work and your time for creating these contents! Keep going 😉 looking forward for the next amazing series
@ I actually think that you may be wrong in this one pal ofc none of us can say for sure, but what I think actually happened is during the blackout that was the other two worlds being destroyed and the primary world continuing as that was the night the tunnel was opened.
Tesó, hagyd a megtiszteltetést, inkább kérj jutalékot a videó bevételéből 😛😛😛
Nah, Tannenhaus probably realized he was obsessed with time travel and to what point it was destroying his relationship with his son, so I think having a second chance with his son would put an end to his obsession with time travel and he would put more focus on fixing their relationship. Jonas wouldn't be Jonas as he wouldn't be of he same descendance. Nope. You're complicating it too much.
This Theorie has a few points, that make it quite easy to debunk.
First point: "Wöller's and Hannah's son becomes the Jonas we know." How can it be possible that he becomes the Jonas we know, if he has a different father???
Second point: "The light flickers, so Tannhaus MUST have built and turned on the time machine again." there are three things, that speak against that. first being Tannhaus is an old man in the 80s, where he finished the Time machine. The Dinner at the end scene happens 2019/2020 judging by the age of Hannah and the others, so clearly a while after the died. second being, that we got to know during season 3, that the fascination of time traveling in the Tannhaus family originates from bringing dead loved ones back to live (we see the father of the blind guy in the 19th century). But even in Jonas world, where his son and granddaughter did die, he didn't research time traveling any further and didn't try to bring his family back to live, because he had Charlotte and he is needed where he already is, not in the future or the past. He was even scared as middle aged Jonas told him, that time traveling is possible and that there is a wormhole in the caves, because as a scientist he knows about the implications that this entails. Only the loss of his son and his grief made him do it in the origin world. And now you want to tell me, that he tries to time travel, when his son survives, even though he didn't even try it, when his family died and he only got a "replacement" for them? Does not make any sense to me whatsoever.
the third thing is rather simple: yes, when someone used the passage in Jonas' world, the light would flicker. But in the scene at the end, the light didn't just flicker. The power was completely gone (as it can happen during a fucking thunderstorm).
And since the whole theory is built on the assumption, that Tannhaus built the time machine anyway, the whole video is debunked.
I thought so! There is no jonas so the whole Nielsen family is gone thus there won’t be any Mikkel, Noah or Charlotte!
_First point: "Wöller's and Hannah's son becomes the Jonas we know." How can it be possible that he becomes the Jonas we know, if he has a different father???_
There would be family lineage loops but it's pretty likely that they would be different from the original loop. Charolette discovered the third timeline by figuring out the incestuous relationships that spawned these families. (That was my take). Only when she found the loose thread that was outside of the loop did she realize there was a third dimension (Universe),
Jonas will be a different Jonas but so were all of the other mirrored characters. The invention of a time machine triggered 2 entirely new dimensions from the source dimension. I think it's accurate to say these dimensions are like taking a snapshot of the primary dimension and forming a loop around it. The time machine was triggered at a different moment,, therefore the split dimensions also change. At the moment that the machine is turned on, all past histories and future happenings are created in that moment.
it's a lot simpler, they disappeared at the end, I thought that was absolutely obvious
The same way how Charlotte is Elizabeth's daughter and vice versa. That is not genetically possible. And besides, Adam and Eva's world are only glitches, the same way Jonas and Martha are. This could imply that the Jonas we saw could finally be born in the origin world in which Woller is the father.
I was wondering about a different detail. Eva used the 'frozen time' moment of the first apocalypse to create a second, alternate branch of reality. There was one in which AlternateMartha saved Jonas, and one in which she did not. These two realities coexisted parallel to each other (or not that parallel in fact, as sometimes they crossed each other).
Enlightened Adam had the same tactics in mind. He used the 'frozen time' moment to create an alternate branch, in which Jonas and Martha prevented the car crash. But this should be just a branch. What about the other branches? To me it seems like it's just a half-solution. Or maybe I'm wrong, my brain already melted several times while watching and thinking about the series.
You are absolutely correct, they destroyed their reality but the other 2 realities still exist. With the time standing still they created 3 know realities (probably Infinity realities, but only 3 are important)one in which Martha saved Jonas,one in which no one saved Jonas and one where old Jonas saved Young Jonas. Even though they ended the 3. reality it Just get's recreated the next time the time stands still (making it the only reality (we know of ) that doesn't exist in a Loop).
I think its like Alternate Marta and Jonas goes to the original world and both of them gets vanished ,so both world's of theirs dnt exist.
I think that all alternative realities/characters can exist at the same time, meaning when martha asked jonas if he remembers going to her world he said “no” even though he already did, but in reality the alt jonas was killed so only one jonas exist. I think that at that time when time stoped you can actually have alternative characters exist at the same time instead of creating other branches, meaning that only 3 worlds exist. if the origin is destroyed by the alt martha and alt jonas, I think this will end the 2 extra worlds. I might be wrong tho😂
@@SA-lf9ii I think that OG world exists outside of the loop. That's why they had to travel through time bridge to reach it and not just use device or dark matter thingy.
The ending is in such a way that people can make different interpretations about it...and that is its beauty!
But I feel, that no more loops would be created. The lights could not have went off due to the creating of time machine, since they already mention that when the time machine was created in Original world, it DESTROYED this world and created 2 new versions. So, if that would have been the case, they would have not shown us later conversations at the table...
the flickering of light and yellow jacket are used to signify that we are somehow connected to our alt versions...
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Good point! It would be destroyed. So Jonas and Martha did change the third dimension.
DIFFERENT THEORY:
I like the idea of anothe loop beeing created, however I think it would be "lazy writing" and not very Dark-like to just say Tannhaus still activated the time machine, because he was interested in time or something. My Theory goes more like this: Tannhaus son dies ->Tannhaus builds the machine -> Tannhaus son gets saved through the events of the series (btw, I think the machine worked perfectly as planned and Claudia had no free will, the breaking of the loop was just part of the plan) ->Tannhaus never builds the machine -> with no machine Tannhaus son can't be saved by Jonas and Martha -> Tannhaus son dies
Aaand that's where we are at the beginning once again
Nah you got it mixed up, if the son was saved from the accident then tannhaus decides not to build the machine, then the son need not to be saved cuz he was already saved. So no it all ends there I think. No loop again.
@@flannel_punk but how can the son be saved if Tannhaus never builds the machine?
@@meisterlert5650 see that's the thing that doesn't have to be complicated. Tannhaus' time machine ironically saved his son. It's as simple as that if Jonas and Martha (nonexistent now) managed to save him, then Tannhaus wouldn't build the time machine, right? See that's the positive thing the time machine ironically brought, by it the son was saved and the result of that meant the time machine wouldn't need to be created. That's one of its ironies I guess but I think it makes sense.
Sorry my explanation is a bit messed up. My point is that it doesn't have to be complicated. I clearly understand your point. The time machine, which ironically saved his son, wouldn't end up getting created in the first place. I just put it as this, that's one of the ironical results of the time machine - it not being created in the first place. I can't think of the right word to express it but I don't think it's a paradox or plothole or something. I hope I made sense.
@@flannel_punk look I am totally on your side, the thing is i'm just thinking one point further. The time machine ironically saves tannhaus son which leads to it never being created. My theory however is if the time machine is not created, it can't save tannhaus son.
@@meisterlert5650 this is so true - bc you can’t really change the future even if it’s not exactly the same way their demise is always the same.
Dear friend,
Please read this full🙏...no one gave me an answer to this.....
We know according to our real science theories, quantum entanglement gives two possibilities.. But since dark has everything in a count of three, i think at the time of apocalypse, there arised 3 possibilities ( jonas saved by martha, jonas who ran to the basement, and the jonas saved by Adam and then sent to the origin world). We dont know the end of Adam. But what if Adam always ends his life by disintegrating as shown in the last episode?.. also we see Jonas who sees little Martha in the light passage... and at the end we see Martha say that she had already seen him in her past in her closet and that was not a dream.. this means the teenager Martha in her childhood, had already saw a jonas who tried to reach the origin world... thus the travel of jonas and martha to the origin world had occured before and it also fall in a loop... thus the rescueing of jonas by adam and thereby reaching the origin world also happens everytime the apocalypse happens😇
A very brilliant theory buddy❤️
@Venkat Gowtham
Looks unreal
Tanhaus made the time machine work for the first time in the origin world in 1986 and at that time Hannah, Katharina and all the others were teenagers.
So the ending scene of the last episode is supposedly happening sometime around 2003.
I think that's why that was the moment when time and space stop existing creating a wormhole and then she can remember that moment becuse, paradoxically, it was just created in that moment so it has to exist in the actual Martha
@Venkat Gowtham still doesn't explain the closet scene
We trust that time is linear.
That it proceeds eternally, uniformly.
Into infinity.
But the distinction between past, present and future is nothing but an illusion.
Yesterday, today and tomorrow
are not consecutive,
they are connected
in a never-ending circle.
. The 3rd reality Jonas and Martha its just an illusion.
Never created in Jonas and Martha world,
cause they dying when apocalips created.
And then they stuck in another dimension.
Maybe 5th dimension or 6th or 4th!?
I dont think so.
So the 3rd realityJonas and Martha, it's not reality in Dark world.
But Reality in unknown dimension.
Sorry my bad english.
I hope it never returns.
It's perfect as it is.
I agree but i still want more
Yes I'm scared it becomes bad. Quit while you're ahead. Dark is perfect as a 3 seasons series
It will never return
3 seasons ....3 worlds and this comment got 3 replies.... my comment is breaking this 333 loop
I'm thinking as Jonas and Marta each as children saw their older selves during the tunnel of light scene, this means that it had happened to them already in the bootstrap versions of Winden, and the dinner scene was where the origin timeline characters were when the machine was activated - the ending is the beginning - and schrodinger's cat was referenced to show that each reality is in a state of existing and not existing at the same time
But there is no origin timeline 2020. Origin world ended in 1986 when it split into two parallel worlds
Since there now finally exists an origin timeline which reached 2020, it means that the loop has ended. But in the stream of time the loop existed at one moment and it will always exist at that moment. Basically people in Adam's and Eva's world experienced lifetimes in a single moment of time stream.
They experience infinite loops, finally solved them so that origin timeline can continue forward. But in this very same timeline, first time around Marek and Sonja would definitely die, loop would be created, loop would be solved, meaning the other 2 worlds will stop existing because there is no one to observe them, but origin world would finally continue forward towards unending future.
So it's a loop but not really at the same time. Because in origin 2020, the other 2 world's definitely don't exist.
@@ananyasharma7463 The world didn't split in 1986, but in the 2000s. The death of Tannhaus' family was the catalyst for him splitting the origin world.
@@ananyasharma7463 It's something like unpausing the Primary universe by destruction of the Tangent one in Donnie Darko.
@@ananyasharma7463 I like this thinking. “The loop wasn’t observed “ possibly experienced in one moment of space time
no infinite loop cause old alt Martha says "this hasn't happened before"
No. The whole point of them going to the original reality was to break the loop. And we saw the other two realities vanishing which shows the loop is now broken.
It also suggest that in real world it is impossible to make a time travelling machine as it would eventually mess things up and someone would come back in time of the original world and would stop the making of the machine. That means for the original world the machine will never ever exist as time will correct everything.
Not necessarily. In order for the Tannhaus' family to be saved Marthe and Jonas have to exist so they can come back and save them. And if nothing can be changed in the past then it is possible that the origin world is just another loop world tied to the other two. Something else I noticed and thought interesting though others might think im making something out of nothing. When Marthe and Jonas were disappearing and all the others disappeared as well, the world around them didn't disappear only they did. Now again maybe I'm looking too much into it but if the worlds were never created because the time machine was never made, why didn't the whole world fade away into twilight vampire sparkles. Why just the people. I have a theory that when they disappeared they were just being reset in their time loops to the beginning of the loop on their world so everything could start again.
@@DaneJacobs_LuxLupino I had similar thoughts as to why only the people of that world disappeared instead of the whole world all together
@@DaneJacobs_LuxLupino I didn't think it that way . Another theory! Nic!
Contradiction - you cant say "come back in time" and say "the machine will never ever exist as time will correct everything" - if it didn't exist, then there's nothing to correct. Seems your argument proves the opposite, if time makes a correction, then the time machine has to exist.
@@preitynessss Agree, some the whole world was vanishing, but some it didn't. Is the writer this nuanced?
You’re missing the point about Tennehaus / his son, daughter in law and grandchild returning makes him realize that he’s missing out on his family and decided to focus on them rather than the time travel pursuit
Jonás will be a different Jonás. It’s Hannah’s and Woller’s son. The Jonás we see throughout the series was Hannah’s and Mikkel’s son. So..... no, it’s not the same Jonás. It’s a different Jonas.
The dinner is just that......... a gathering of all the characters that were not caught in the loop. Hannah’s comment it’s just that dejavú. At one point or another during our day and lives we have those moments of traveling to a new place and you feel like you’ve been there before and can’t explain why. Or meeting someone and feeling that you’ve seen them before, and again you can’t explain why. That’s what the writers were trying to convey. But also the beauty of this show it’s that it’s up for interpretation. To me the loops were finally broken, and now you have the original world with this characters going on with their lives and the begging of their own stories. Yes, we will have a version of Jonás, and maybe they’ll be one of Martha. But this versions will only have one lifetime, not the multiple lifetimes of suffering and warring with each other.
As for Tannhouse, I think he finally gave up on his obsession with time travel after that fight with his son. He understood that the time you need to pay attention is the now, the present with those you love. And being there for those you love. The creation of the time machine was out of regret and heartbreak, for not being there for his son and family. And after the fight and then the story told by his son, Tannhouse just decided to pour all his time and life to his family.
I think people don't change. He'll still build a time machine because it's what he is interested in. Why would the light flicker if it's been codified as "some time travelling is happening now" in the serie ?
The light doesn’t Flickr this time, it goes completely off and comes back again. So I think there’s no time travel going on during that time.
I think that's what the authors ultimately were trying to convey as well. Hannah seems happier in the origin world having finally found the love she was seeking in the maze of the loop.
It's ultimately pain and heartbreak that cause most of the suffering in Dark, along with the characters trying to impose their WILL on others. The concept of WILL (want) being a major concept in German philosophy and touched on quite a bit in the show.
But the briallians of the writer is that Hanna isn't exactly the faithful wife or woman. Suppose we saw one more episode to find out Ulrich actually did exist in the real world. We would all wonder, maybe the baby isn't Woller's. The writer left us in ambiguity for this very reason - to have a million possible interpretations of what we just saw. PERFECT!
@@faysoufox Hmm but the event (his whole family dying after an argument) was the catalyst that pushed him to the level of desperation to find answers, and why he could spend all his time and money on building the machine. That traumatic event isn't there anymore in the original world; so although he would still be fascinated by the idea, I doubt he would have that level of dedication to push so hard and find out how time travel works. Even if he does, it wouldn't be when Hannah, Katharina, Regina are the same age as they were in the series having dinner, it would be when they're significantly older instead since his progress would at the very least be severely delayed by the lack of urgency.
When Tannhaus son comes back from the encounter with ‘Angels’ i think this inspires Tannhaus to explore alternate realities and wormholes etc... instead of creating the time machine he instead goes on to invent the early version of the golden sphere.
The inter dimensional travel enables the invention of time travel and time vice versa, an infinite loop.
Yeah I definitely don’t think he stopped experimenting tbh
Shit, that makes sense. I kept wondering how those had come to exist.
Wasn't the golden sphere just the Eva-world version of the time travel box?
@@heavyspoilers Same here. Nothing ever explains the brass orbs or the time machine. Hell, I don't even think the god particle is explained real well. Where did the black substance come from? Why does the cave have doors to the portal? Lots of questions for me.
@@AggelosVrettos haha
It's over. Don't do it to yourself. I know why but we have to let go.
Pls, it’s all I have left
Never believe anything else
@@heavyspoilers me too
It was a good ending.
Full stop.
@@AlKaBen I agree with that. Let's Netflix do a remake with the "Bigger loop" theory or anything else and they will destroy the most beautiful series in the history
I really don't think that calling her unborn child Jonas will make him be " Jonas Kahnwald". It's just a name. Also, Mikkel/ Michael doesn't exist in this world. So, Jonas can't return.
Marek alliteration Sonja anagram
He will be "jonas woller"
@@kavyaveeramachaneni3132 how ? Someone could be call Jonas Woller, but that wouldn't be "our" Jonas.
Ulrich didn't existed in this real world right?
Not enough info. We know a few people existed but it's not like a caption appeared and said - this is all who exist in the real world. We haven't seen others in wynden (spelling).
It's possible that the 2 alternate worlds formed into one where Tannhaus's family survives, but the origin world still has to exist and have the time machine made to hold everything together.
Yeah, basically all the realities rely on one another so they can’t really be wiped out
@@heavyspoilers not really tho... The resolution to the grandfather paradox is that when you kill your grandfather... You create an alternate reality with your grandfather dead and you there.... With Your original reality continuing to exist... But dark chose a scenario where your reality ceases to exist as shown in the show... So no they don't have to exist
@@heavyspoilers also naming him jonas was just sort of a tease.... It is biologically impossible for him to be born... As Micheal khanwald doesn't exist
@@heavyspoilers Hannah having the Deja Vu is just a call back to the "glitch in the matrix" concept
There's also a theory on reddit about the names SONJA + MARek TannHAus and MARTHA + JONAS - they are anagrams which could mean that Jonas and Martha might live on in the form of Tannhaus's family in the origin world.
Edit: Noah is also anagram from Hanno. Everything is connected.
Oh crap! That’s a really good catch
@@heavyspoilers SO GLAD you read my comment bc true fans like you should know about it!! Especially because I think it's intentional, as NOAH is also an anagram from HANNO !!!
Yeah I realised that one because I was like ‘hanno...ha..no..ah’ but that other one has blown my mind. Massively appreciate you dropping it on the video
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I think Dark elegantly showed us the Buddhist/Hindu concept of samara- the endless loop of illusion and suffering, caused by attachment. These worlds are in a sense created by the desires of Jonas and Martha for one another, starting back in the neutral nirvana-like area where they saw each other for the first time as children through the closets. Desire created their worlds.... the time machine was just a neat device to reveal the endless loop going on...
And it does go on endlessly. Until we wake up, and let go of attachment.
I also identified this aspect. However, Nirvana is not a place. Nirvana is the same as samsara but only perceived by an enlightened mind. I rather believe that Jonas and Martha were the actual embodiment of attachment in two apparently opposite extremes. They disappeared just as ignorance disappears when you realize the nature of your mind. They were staring into space when they disappeared.
Yes, totally agree the authors were heavily influenced by Buddhism, especially when it comes to desire or especially the German concept of Will causing suffering. Martha and Jonas wake up when they realize they have to let everything go, even their own existence, to end their suffering. Also they end their suffering by helping to end the suffering of another person (Tannhaus). Hannah naming her son Jonas implies the possibility of reincarnation.
The influence of Hindu/Buddhist philosophy is very strong on the writing. concept of cause and effect, that is of karma is central to writing. Also concept of non dual nature of matter or existence (Adwait) is also strong. Jonas and Martha represent duality which causes Maya or Mara (llusion) and their actions are either guided by strong desire to love or protect self. When both of them understand the Non Dual nature of their existence, they are driven to perform a selfless act, thus liberating them from eternal cycle of Action and its results due to them.
This is what I thought. The Dejavu represents a glitch in the matrix. It happened when the lights went out. A child named jonas will be born again. It would seem Hannah was influenced by an alternate reality. I mean the creators certainly did this to keep it ambiguous and dark at the very least, which is consistent with the entire show. They do not have simple minds lol.
Yeah they definitely did everything to mess with us, even Wollers eye was trolling
I love how we get forcefully entangled with the larger loop with the 4th wall break at the end as well. I WILL watch it... again... and again...
Also -- I've seen this talked about in medical circles www.epilepsyadvocate.com/blog/epilepsy-and-deja-vu . If Deja-Vu can be a seizure -- there's yet another 'glitch in the matrix'.
@@heavyspoilers I don't believe his eye is a complete red herring. There is a key line on the dark website if you haven't probed about Gustuv Tannhaus.
"He was born blind. But with foresight." That can taken very literally... but based on his conversation with 'alt martha' while touching her face (in the same gesture so common in show) -- He actually HAD some element of foresight. Whatever that truly means in the show. He was immediately threatened by the Origin in the wagon -- ie he could not see their future, and was struck by true terror.
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Where I'm going with this is -- Maybe it's not about the Woller's accident -- The mystery of it. Maybe it's the fact that he was partially blind (and we all know how much the importance of dark and light -- even in physical property) gave me some element of 'quantum uncertainty -- or foresight' in Woller while his eyes are wounded... but that was Eva's method's -- the entanglement. And part of the ending...
Woller's reactions to Clausen's sharp connections in S2 caused Woller great concern in almost every shot afterward (for personal -- but it could be seen as more -- as if HE is having Deja-vu, or a message from beyond...but that breaks a few things too. His sense of 'uncertainty' with one eye is a state -- and with information of both eyes, we'd collapse they mystery wave function.
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TL:DR -- there's a bit more to it, but the HOW isn't the mystery.
I love this thought
I'm just gonna say one thing: naaaaaaaah
I felt the way Tannhaus son and daughter in law looked at Martha and Jonas that there was a connection there. And their names match up too (Sonja being an anagram of Jonas and MARek TA having Martha’s name). In my head canon Jonas and Martha are the souls of those two and they tried to come back together.
And if I think more about it - there are 3 people each - Sonja, Marek and Charlotte on one side and Jonas, Martha and her unborn child on the other!
I love the idea that there was a soul connection there!
No doubt about it. It seems that this was the solution that the "universe" had to bring them back. The pure essence of both Marek and Sonja (Martha and Jonnas) prevented their deaths. At the bottom of it is love and loss that moves everything in Dark
I dunno but for some reason I find it odd that in Adam's world (And Eve's as well probobly) original Charlotte was never found. I kinda think it's possible that Jonas and Marthas are Charlotte soul split into 2, and that's why they are so connected and drown to each other, because they just want to become one and whole again.
I told you mahn that the breaking of the loop could be a part of a bigger loop
Yeah I definitely think there is now
Maybe the 1c and 2c realities disappear but other realities like 1a, 1b, 2a, 2b still exist. Like you say in your video there can be several original realities too, like origin a and origin b, one where the son dies the other where he lives. So 1c and 2c create origin b. And in the one where the son lives other 1 and 2 alternate worlds. See here for the realities www.tvguide.com/news/features/dark-timeline-explained-netflix-season-3/ . Adam still need to have lived to break the loop ... It never ends. The catalyst is Tannhaus. The Tannhaus ancestor would need to be killed in the early 1800s in all worlds. Else there will always be somebody with the desire to create a time machine. So yes this bigger loop makes sense. The question I still can't answer is how the unknown made two Tronte with two different Agnes.
And one more thing, this theory can't be completely correct cuz the origin world was destroyed when the alternate realities were created, no such thing happens in the last scene, and also the light flickering thing, so this theory might not be correct but one thing is there for sure that the loop never actually broke!! That might also be another example of quantum entanglement that the existence of time travel was only prevented by time travel, Martha and Jonas has to exist to vanish their existence. That means Tannhaus' son both died and survived
"What We Know is a Drop; What We Don't Know is an Ocean”...
Here's more to confuse you. The whole monologue at the beginning of last episode about Schroedinger cat experiment where he said that two reality can co exists . What if the time machine we saw in the episode is not actually a time machine but some kind of quantum device which he created to travel from one reality to another, the reality in which his family is alive like cat was alive in one reality similar to that. But he failed and not only split the origin world into two but also created another reality where origin world 2 came into existence and both world co-exist side by side..
🤯🤯🤯🤯
@@heavyspoilers 😂 Content for your next video brother. Here's more it may feel a bit over, the machine in the show has six cylindrical structures. Lets say 6 worlds 2 origin and 4 that was created due to splitting of two those two worlds. Lol. Shouldn't have used 100% of my brain.
what?
Makes sense as to why they went into detail explaining shordingers cat (as if anyone who doesnt understand quantum mechanics could ever begin to comprehend this show )
The problem is some people can't digest a happy ending. The loop ended in the end and everyone born due to the loop doesn't exists any more.
Now coming to the 2 questions that why Hannah takes the name 'Jonas' and why she also experience a 'deja vu'....
Well there is my theory
1. It was Hannah herself in the 1st world who named her son Jonas, it was her choice, the idea of that name came from her mind. In the 3rd universe that's the same Hannah, yes she has experienced many other things which she may not has faced in the 1st world but that doesn't changed the idea of naming her son Jonas. It is as simple as that. I believe if more dark universe exists in the dark multiverse, then everytime Hannah will name her son Jonas.
2. It is not clear till date that why we experience deja vu, multiverse theorists believes we experience deja vu because we are actually facing or faced the same incident in an other universe of the multiverse. As oer them our subconscious mind is always connected to every other versions of ourself in the multiverse.
So Hannan's one self has already experienced all the incidents so that is why she is experiencing the deja vu.
Your second point explains it all. Just like how some children remember some incidents from their past life in real world.
I started getting nervous as the last episode was nearing its end. I thought that Jonas and Martha were the ones that cause the car crash and because of that they were doomed forever to be stuck in this vicious loop and never ending cycle.
Thankfully that did not happen but I'm sure many of you guys thought for a second that it would. That would have been the greatest twist in TV history.
me too I literally thought the same
and actually it almost happened
I don't think it would be the greatest twist since many of us predicted that. A good twist is one you don't see coming!
‘In order for time travel to be prevented from getting invented,there has to be already be time travel in place’
~Gayathri N
this seem like a theory with a lot of "if", when in fact just was a lightning that shutdown the lights for a moment.
The deja bu could have been due to some degree of conscious entanglement that was hinted over the final season.
The similarities on chosen names, yellow coat, just arises in the other realities because the original reality already have them.
What I don’t understand about this show is why Tannhaus goes to the trouble of creating the time machine to save his son and family, but then he never does anything to save them. Ultimately, Martha and Jonas are the ones that stop them from getting into an accident.
He created the machine and we literally saw him activate it but it didn’t work and instead split his world and created the 2 worlds which we know as Adam’s world and Eva’s world.
@@jasan_o3633 Yeah but how do you create another world with a time machine? By altering things in time.
I guess they couldnt show it because of pacing issues and because the plot was overloaded enough already.
But something happening _"just because the script sais so"_ sounds lazy and lame.
This is a good point. Maybe he assumes he failed and the machine doesn’t work, that’s why he does nothing else? But still, how does it create 2 worlds? And what happens to the origin world in the meantime while all the madness is happening?
@@Daymickey He creates the time machine first in the origin world, and when he activates it, it "destroys" his world and splits it in to 2 other worlds (though the origin world could still be accessed using the loophole at the point at which it all technically started despite no longer being there, it had to exist at some point in "time" for the loop to begin).
Even though in those 2 worlds his family is still dead, he was still given Charlotte, so maybe that was reason enough for him to not focus on building a time machine in the 2 main worlds, because he'd put his work over his children before and lost them and didn't want the same thing to happen with Charlotte. That at least explains why he doesn't pursue time travel in the 2 worlds in the same way he did in the Origin world, where they all died and he had nothing left to lose.
@@StygiophobicTannhaus builds the Time machines in both new realities No?
No, the series had a satisfying ending, there is no other theory and the loop has ended, i won't, no, i cannot, believe anything else 😂
Memento : Hold My Memories
Inception : Hold My Dreams
Dark : Hold My Timelines
PREDESTINATION : Hold...... Myself 🔥🔥
@Master Fardin Watched Triangle long back , Hold my Aeolus 😁🔥
Hey, that's the same I've been telling my friends since the show's end, it's the same theory. However there are yet a few more details! When Jonas 1 and Martha 2 were in the time/space flux (the blue thing) they see themselves which prove that's in a loop. Also, they begin there separated until they bump at each other, where they then find the entrance to the 3rd world. That place had 3 dimensions and they were each walking through an axis: jonas 1 was walking the world 2 axis while martha was walking the world 1 axis (since they see each other). They bump when they reach the origin, and there find the 3rd axis. NOTE that the 3 axis represent the 3 worlds and they all have the same origin; that's also what the triquetra represents in my opinion :). So at the end this all makes sense to me BUT there're still some points missing like "what happened to baby charlotte that vanished on the car accident on the 3rd world?" that may yet bring more answers to the blank spaces in the theory.
It should end with the "origin" world being tied in the cycle with the other 2, EITHER as:
option 1. Martha and Jonas travelling to the origin world are what caused the car crash in the first place
option 2. There are 2 cycles just like in the other 2 worlds -> first cycle is what we see in the last scene of the last episode (Regina alive and happy etc.) and the second cycle is Tannhaus building machine again because their family died again (because there is no Jonas and Martha to save them, because they have been erased).
Both of these ties everything perfectly in a nice loop (unknown to Claudia).
I understand it would make a lot of people unhappy but it's not supposed to do that. It's supposed to make sense, just like previous 2 seasons, where EVERYTHING made sense and could be logically explained. Third season kinda ruins it.
We've been told through TWO FULL SEASONS that everything always happens the same again and again in a neat closed loop. That's why the origin world theory doesn't make sense. Tannhaus' family CANNOT be saved indefinitely if other two worlds suddenly stopped existing. That's why the origin world has to be in a loop with the other two worlds. Personally, I would be happy if it didn't have a happy ending, because not every show should have one, and this one definitely shouldn't. The tone of "Dark" was DARK the entire time and it should have stayed DARK :)) I'm afraid that by trying to please the fans by creating a happy ending they ruined a bit what would be the best tv series of all time (I still love it and the ending didn't ruin it that much but it left a bit of disappointment for me)
Oh, I think the show just fooled a lot of people and the ending IS fairly dark. I think you're right, there are now two versions of the origin world: one with an alive Tannhaus family, and one where they are dead. I think that something else happens in the version where they are alive, where someone goes back in time. Time plays itself out again, but now Jonas and Martha aren't there to save the Tannhaus family. Tannhaus goes back in time...all the crazyness we just watched happens again, and Jonas and Martha save the Tannhaus family again. The fact that Jonas and Martha could remember seeing each other in the closets and remember it in the present HEAVILY hints that saving the Tannhaus family is a loop unto itself. There is also the odd fact that Papa Tannhaus mentions they were run off the road...I wonder who might have been motivated to do that...
Actually DARK promises to be DARK and is not dark at the very end. And exactly that was totally surprising! And specially for that reason I loved the show...
my parents walked on me watching dark, I immediately switched it to my porn tab as it easier to explain
My battery is literally 33% lol
The loop continues
That user says we are all oversimplifying the ending but it’s clear he’s overcomplicating it. The concept of the deja vu was discussed by Jonas and Martha before the first time travel happened in their time lines. Deja vus are not attached to time travels nor was it ever hinted they meant some inter dimensional connection between characters from different worlds. The name Jonas could have come from any other experience she had in all those realities.
The only thing holding this theory in my opinion is the fact that nothing can be changed so paradoxically changing it causes its existence. That is pretty convincing, the rest not so much.
I actually think they just added the power outage to give it closure. The other two worlds are wiped out. It's their sendoff. Period.
Actually!! It wasn't time travel or smth that was caused by the machine.
But the ending actually broke the PREDESTINATION PARADOX
Tanhaus saved his son from death and that's the glitch in the matrix
Yep, Ironically Tanhauss actually saved his family by inventing the Time machine, but not in any way he could have imagined.
The cost being seemingly endless cycles of pain and suffering
times two.
@@JWPanimation mate! that's true :D by creating the split-reality where time travel was possible, he did save his fam! his endeavor proved successful without his younger or older self knowing about it.
Actually I think there are two parallel realities of the original world - the one where Tannhaus’ son lives and the other one where Tannhaus’ son dies. In the reality where his son dies, he invents the time machine and unknowingly creates the Jonas and Martha worlds. Which in turn goes on looping again and again, until Jonas and Martha decides to travel back to the original world, stopping Tannhaus’ son from dying, thus creating the second reality of the original world. This is evident from the fact that the younger selves of Jonas and Martha were able to see each other’s older selves in the time space, in their closets, implying this is in fact a part of the bigger loop, which keeps on repeating. Jonas and Martha disappeared after saving Tannhaus’ son because they’re no longer a part of this reality. But there still exists a reality where they’re still alive and continuing the loop. In fact, all these things happened so that Tannhaus can save his son in a different reality.
Now THIS makes sense thank you 😅
I love that this show sparks so much discussion. We need more thought provoking entertainment like this.
As somebody used to create loops for a synth company, I can verify that the best loops have "invisible" start/ stop points once in motion.
I believe that this theory may be correct, and that the ending of Dark implied the next connecting loop point of the Triquetra, rather than a linear time based ending.
Am i the only person who had and have a lot of "de javu " feelings, that things at that moment already happened before? I can't be alone with this. Very chilling, strange moments and gives you a real feeling that something you missing, hope im not in those loops, because if i am , well, will write down this again endlessly
I'm almost certain about one thing that the Jonas born out in this world out of Hannah won't be same Jonas.. As That Jonas could only be born out of Hannah after she married Mikkel(Michael khanwald).. Yeah but I surely think there is a bootstrap paradox happening there, it might be a loophole in the story, The Jonas and Martha had to take a birth and go through all those things to be able to come to the origin world to stop Tannhau's family from dying.. So even do that world ends there, but it must have lived before that time to be able to prevent itself from being created thus there must be a world where Tannhau's family dies so the two worlds of Adam and Eva got created..
So maybe there's a knot that's holding these two worlds like Adam and Eva's world and that knot must exist so that this world gets saved everytime cause of infinite loop by Jonas and Martha Or maybe Tannhau's was able to undo the Death of his family and atlast he was successful but for that a new world was created where already a Tannhau's exist and his family is saved by the efforts of Tannhau whose family died. So for each change in any timeline, a whole new world was created, first where the things happen usual and second world where change happened and thus it would lead in different direction caused by that change( it's like every cause leads to an effect). Maybe that's why things always needed to be in place so a new world was not to be created, only one time when things got changed when Adam took Jonas with himself which lead to a separate world, first there were two but now it was three( one where Martha took Jonas tk his world and he eventually dies and also that Jonas had sex with Martha which led to the birth of their child, second where Jonas saved himself by which eventually leads him tk become Adam, and third where Adam saved Jonas where he goes on along with Martha to stop the origin of his world from happening). Yeah And also a world where Martha was taken by Jonas and her brother and his girlfriend couldn't take her, that also created a whole new world where before that everything remains same but after cause of those choices things go on to be different from there
Wohler got his eye and his arm back haha
All time lines are parallel and simultaneous, they're not created by an event, it is just that a point of access that is created
C’mon. I respect the clickbait hustle. Maybe the analytics showed the DARK clips had some heat and you wanted to keep the fire burning. But...No. This one sniffs of 3 minutes of desperation stretched into 10 for the ad money.
The whole notion in DARK that people could be their own parents or descendants was the bit that required the most suspension of disbelief. It’s just not how genetics work. But at least in those cases they were people within the same family tree. The chromosomes were there to mix and match.
In this case, regardless of what she names her kid, it cannot grow up to be “Jonas” because half his DNA does not exist. His father is a completely different person from a completely different line, because the other was completely erased from existence. Jonas 2.0 could just as easily be Donnie Darko.
If you want to believe he found another reason to make a time machine, or that the power went out because Jonas and Martha arrived in the original universe to get their happy ending, sure, why not. I doubt the showrunners would refute either.
But what made the show impressive was not only did they manage to untangle all the knots and account for every loose end - which had to have been a logistical nightmare - they also, against all odds, made a “the 36 hours of TV you watched never happened” ending feel satisfying. Normally people want to throw a chair at the screen when that happens. So saying “Wuh-hah! But it was only ANOTHER loop *outside* the loop!” would not just spoil that achievement, it would be flipping the bird to their audience on their way out the door.
Speaking of dna how can there be two Tronte from two different Agnes ? Does some artificial insemination happen from the same embryo on the other Agnes ? Else how can the same sexual cells from the unknown and two Agnes create the same Tronte two times at different moments ?
Faysal Aberkane the family tree also shows 2 Jonases. It’s best not to think about it.
i don't think there's any role of DNA here... this was Time Travel.. and they are showing a Paradox.. meaning it never ends.. some way or the other.. IT WILL HAPPEN. i think that's the end scene telling us.. that no matter how you try to break it.. it will eventually happen... maybe without some of the characters.. it will happen again..
4:55 no he won't because his father isn't michael/mikkel.
Ikr
I like the thought that both the happy ending exists, and this ending theory exists, at the same time as we will never be the quantum observers of another season of Dark :p
I love your channel because its making me more obsessed with Dark.
🙌🙌🙌
@@heavyspoilers Let me rephrase, I just love the channel. Keep kicking ass.
This makes me appreciate the ending even more, its so ambiguous and open ended all the theories of what happens both exist and dont exist at the same time because like schrodingers cat we never see what happens next
i think it was just some kind of tribute in the end. idk. only the other 2 worlds were taken out of existence and thats why the characters disappeared. the 1st world still exist (without timetravel) and can have jonas and martha be living happly (together if they want)
Also Jonas and Martha remember seeing each other as kids in the closet/basement. They wouldn't remember it if it hadn't already happened at least one other time.
Exactly!!!!
This is best argument for what's laid out in the video, even though I disagree.
Martha and Jonas stopping the accident is only possible because Tannhaus created the time machine after losing his son. So if he never creates the time machine Martha and Jonas can never stop the accident. It's a new never ending loop of 2 alternative realities.
The only way to get "back to normal" would be to let the accident happen and not create the time machine. The moment it exists there is no going 'back'.
Dark Gained most of its audience in the past year itself but if such feedback was also received by the oa which by the way everyone reading the comment should definitely watch if not already it could have gone to become a historical one by itself. Netflix did wrong to cancel it after s2 even though full 5 seasons were pre planned due to less viewers. A little ray of hope is still alive for it to return but only if it gets the deserved support and feedback dark got.
Can you please give the full name of the series
@@losthusky_ "The OA"
We and dark are a perfect match. Never believe anything else
There can be infinite versions of the events, by design. And we may just be getting another 3 seasons of Dark. Just a thought.
I hope so because I don’t want it to end
@@heavyspoilers Me either, this video gave me hope... keep up the good work
I hope not. The never ending shows are the worst, because they manage to ruin everything good that they created in the beginning.
I hope this show doesn't get a sequel. A sequel will definitely ruin this masterpiece. This show has one of the best ending of a science fiction. Please let it be like that.
Sasha Braus TRUE
"I've yet to see someone completely nail everything". Yes, this has been my thought as well while perusing through the many video reviews and theories since finishing the series. Honest and well put.
I just saw the whole series for the first time and my analysis is this: lts clear to me that what happened is they just found a new origin, a new way to start all over again. When they save the Tannhaus couple they need to exist in order achieve it. Therefore the whole loop needs to start all over again for them to save the couple and the baby. Another thing I noticed is the way they "dissappear". Its the same vissual effect they use when they travel through time with the devices. I think what happened was a complete and full reset to start all over again.
I assumed it was a loop because Hannah never dissapeared. Her death was the birth of Adam.
She wouldn't have been alive to disintegrate, and we know this is the case for all previous looks because of Noah's existence, hence in all previous loops Adam took Silja to the future... etc.
Also, it fits my previous theory that Woller lost his eye to a falling bird. When the time machine went off, he looked up and got hit with a falling bird and hence... his eye injury is the direct result of time travel shenanigans.
They've been hinting at what motivations the main characters have when they built the time machines.
A strong emotional connection to a deceased family member, what else was happening in the original world was it really spilt up in two? Or the apocalypse we seen in both world also happened in the origin world.
If they did really split up into two does that mean everyone who died in the origin world had their personalities split between the two worlds.
So the act of creating the time machine inadvertently recreated a double slit experiment, where the original world is sent through the slit(time machine) and comes out in two or more parallel lines.
I think you are right when you say, that all three worlds are part of the node and that they produce each other. I found two more evidence for this idea:
1. In the last episode when Jonas and Martha are in this in-between-world, they both see a younger version of each other and after that they both remember that they have seen each other earlier in their life in this exact situation. That means, that this exact situation already happend before and that it did not lead to the end of their existence, so it is just a situation as so many other situations that seem to be an escape but are no escape in fact. Because if the ending would be the ending and not a new beginning, it had to be the first time and thus nobody could have remembered it.
2. As the show points out everything happens the exact same way every time. That means all persons act in the same way, again and again and again. But that actually means, that Claudia as well behaves always in the same way, so Claudia from Adam's world always kills her doppelganger, investigates both worlds, finds evidence for the existance of the third world and ties the strings which leads to Jonas and Claudia ending up in the third world and preventing the death of the young couple. It is said, that the cycle has started again many, many times. Combined with the fact, that Claudia always behaves in the same way this leads to the fact, that the ending is no escape from the node, it is in fact just another part of the endless puzzle, of which neither we nor the protagonists have enough knowledge to really understand it.
I smashed that like button ;-) I normally don`t get invested that much into tv shows (apart from got, wandavision and loki) but this one got my interest and had me binging on another level. I really liked it, but your mind needs to be on sharp when you watch it. It was cleverly put together with attention to detail but the last 4 episodes got me lost, so your video was helpful.
In the begginig of the 3rd season we had 2 worlds (with or without Jonas) and 2 masterminds (Adam and Eva). Each mastermind is oldest timetraveler in their world and don"t have a copy because they kill each other copies during the time loop. It's their's war keep timeloop spinning. But everything in dark comes in 3. So there is 3rd world. It has 3rd mastermind (Claudia). She is the 3rd oldest timetraveler, she killed her copy herself. She work toward 3rd world in witch her daughter is alive. I'm not surprised time loop may be still going strong. I'm concerned that Adam and Eva folded too fast. Maybe they become complacent in their knolledge of 2 worlds. Adam wanted to destroy time loop but keep preserving it until the end. Martha swears to destroy this cycle but makes it stronger and became Eva. Claudia all her life seek the way to break the cycle and maybe starts it. The beginning is the end. The end may be the beginning.
Shows like these are like the only things keeping Netflix afloat lol
An alternative view might be that, given that alt-Martha’s path gets split into two (save Jonas / go with Bartosz), who’s to say there aren’t many more splits possible. Maybe the infinity loop should really be seen as a Lorenz system (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_system#/media/File%3AA_Trajectory_Through_Phase_Space_in_a_Lorenz_Attractor.gif) but run over three axes
The authors seem to be leaning towards splits in the time in IMHO on multiple levels like the Lorenz system, which are deterministic and closed, But I don't think the events in Dark are a closed loop or knot as the video suggests. They could be on a larger level though. Thanks for the Wiki link.
Wait. Ur right at one point, but there is a difference. The last scene takes place in 1986. Tanhaus creates the machine and runs it and the 2 worlds were created . It might be that point when he runs the machine and there is a Power cut and rain before it was all doomed, like Hannah SAS9 at the end.
It can't be..sorry...I loosing my mind...I started to question my existence as well...
Haha #MeToo
@Cryss There is also another thing unnoticed there is a scene in the last episode when the baby of SONJA and MAREK is shown... if u pause and zoom the video you can see a cleft in her upper lip... this clears that that baby changed gender in the other worlds like SONJA and MAREK and became the UNKNOWN.. 😇
So what you're saying is this scene isn't the paradise we thought it was, but the horror villain's arm popping out of the ground in the post credit scene
I think that one of the main ideas of the show which is why they mentioned shrodingers cat, is the following. The fact that the cat is both alive and dead but you can't tell until it is observed. Therefore us as viewers had only been observing the world under which tanhaus son dies. Which is why there is even an episode where they show the apocalypse happen in the last season. Then in the last episode the viewer will observe the world in which tanhause son lives breaking the loop in the other worlds. Meaning thats the entanglement we as viewers are experiencing. Hope what I said made sense.
Haha you did, I also think that kinda teases that the worlds exist beyond the show in a state of flux even though we don’t know exactly what’s going on
@@heavyspoilers Precisely! I mean the show runners can really have fun and make a show called LIGHT that intersects with a third show called SHADOW, with time travel and parallel worlds the possibilities are endless. (Good writing helps too.) LOL.
I think the schrodinger's cat is also applied to tanhaus , in one reality he loses his childrens and in one reality he don't lose them
I think in the other way the loop is continuing
True I think
Ever revisted S3E1? The scene where Alt Martha plays a specific part of ariande could be an answer to a lot of questions
Another evidence in that way is when Jonas and Martha are in the in between world, their see each other kids seeing something in a closed. The "it was you" form Martha tells us this is already happened.
I hope you never stop making videos for DARK!! I’m still sad it’s over
Ey thank you, gonna keep talking about it I think, gonna start a rewatch of the entire show soon, can’t wait to see what it’s like with a complete picture
Heavy Spoilers same. It’s always a good time going through the whole thing again since it was so good.