The Philosophy of DARK: Time Travel, Death, and Desire
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Netflix's Dark is a story of love, death, time travel, and tragedy. But how does it help us to think about mortality? Confronting the self? The human condition? Let's examine the philosophy that drives Dark.
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0:00 Intro
2:39 Being
9:34 Death
13:36 Desire
Works referenced:
Martin Heidegger, Being and Time
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Music:
Wo Ist Übergang, Apokalypse, Ein Mensch - Ein Schmetterling, Wenn alles gelingt, wird sie leben, Das ist nicht Mikkel, Die Reisenden 1, Tick Tack, Tick, Tack, Der weisse teufel, Ein tropfen - ein ozean , Anderer Mensch - Anderer Schmetterling, Ob was von uns bleibt, Warum nicht waldweg, Eva
Composer: Ben Frost (Dark)
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There are so many ways into thinking about Dark that it was hard to settle on just Heidegger! Are there any other philosophers you'd like to explore Dark with, or any other interesting details I missed?
It was very meditative to listen to this. A lot of the philosophy of the story gets pushed into the background by the suspense of the time travel mystery plot. And some viewers seem to think it's mere decoration. Obviously Shopenhauer and Nietzsche are always mentioned and I would be interested to hear your take on it.
Schopenhauer was the main source of quotes. I have the theory that Hegel and Schopenhauer are the Schrödingers Cat of philosophy. Hegel saw everything as waves, Schopenhauer saw everthing as individuals/particals, Heidegger was the one collapsing the wave of potential.
There's so much incredible symbolism, both visual and thematic in DARK. For example, whenever Jonas and Martha meet alone for the first time in season 1 and 3, they do so while standing on railroad tracks. It hints at the reality of their existences; running in parallel, but never meeting
Deleuze & Guattari's concept of desire and their critique of the incest taboo
I enjoyed this video to my core, thank you for make it possible, you're channel is awesome!
4:04 Winden = To wind, twist, or writhe in agony
Therefore in the end, they really lived in "a world without winden."
This show is beyond beautiful.
"Think of the million random choices that you make--and yet how each and everyone of them brings you closer to your destiny. Do you know why that is? Because it's not random. It's not chance. It's a plan that is playing itself out perfectly. Free will is an illusion."
I don't know why but I think about this quote every single time I rewatch an episode of Dark. The final scene, when Hannah says that she'd love to call her son Jonas was so heartbreaking and meaningful: did they really break the loop or they just created a new one? A different one?
(Do we live in a loop as well?)
If one were to know preciesly to which Events every single Choice would lead him and how everything is connected, that one would posess the knowledge to influence everything, every just so smal detail, in a way that everything would turn out exactly as he likes it to.
Knowledge is Power and if you knew the outcome of every possible thing you could do, then you could rule the World, you would be a God, able to avoid every kind of accident that would kill you, forsee every assasination attempt on you, you could cheat death by having all the Data!
But isn’t death inevitable? Won’t there be death lurking at the end for every possible series of choices we make?
In the sense that death is the full stop to all life no matter what we try
We might avoid accidental death but what about death originating from us? A person will die because of old age at some point or another right?
That quote is Michael from Supernatural, no?
I have to just remind you that death is abstract point that we can´t really comprehend. From some cultures we know its finish of all doing from others its only a start. You cant really tell which is which, coz non of us did really experienced that. And thats what its so amousing about death.
Now that you said about that diner scene.. There is actually one question that I had in mind, and I really need someone to answer this..
In the last episode, the remaining people that actually exist are gather for diner, oddly enough for me, Katharina is also there.
My question is.. Of course Katharina doesn't born from the loop, but shouldn't she be exist because Hannah is not going to the past so she doesn't met Katharina's mother?
I mean, I always think the reason why Katharina born is because her mother chose to not get an abortion and change her mind after she met Katharina a.k.a real Hannah who travel back to past. Name "Katharina" itself was actually coming from the loop right?
EXCEPT.. there is another loop created, and the end episode where remaining people had diner, is not original universe, but another universe that had been created
OR.. I'm just dumb and there I missed something, so I should watch the entire series again lol
I dont understand how this video is UNDERRATED like OMG i loved every second of this from start to finish
me too. I've shared it with all my friends who have seen Dark.
From finish to start
Me too, in the year 2022, I am here watching this nice video.
@@byronwilliams7977 Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
The French anthropologist René Girard wrote extensively on the subject of desire. He speculated that desire, in most of the world's literature and mythologies, was imitative or mimetic. In other words, we have a tendency to look at what other people desire and we ourselves believe that we desire it as well even though, in our heart of hearts, we probably don't. This mimetic desire then leads to conflict against one another, leading to scapegoating and wars. I LOVE the idea that the characters in Dark are imitating THEIR OWN DESIRES from past or future selves, and still finding no release.
So did lacan
I love Girard and this is a fantastic connection. Maybe I'll do a video on him.
Wow, that thesis is wonderfully wrong
Oh yes please do one on Girard
Brilliant.
I need to meet more people to talk about this show!!! Im glad im now the only one who is fascinated by it
We yearn to understand the mysteries of life and existence! Some understand more than others, and they use their art to guide us. Be fascinated and follow your path...
for me its crazy i meet a guy in an old Counter Strike version and on a 30 people server we were talking about Dark , he said and i agree "Dark is in his own league"
I'm from Chicago. I don't know a single person over here who's seen DARK
Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
yes it may possible that quantum immortality concept of quantum physics can exist in real we just don't know that we are immortal and we will be become our Ulternate version of Scrodinger cat experiment, as Jonas felt something when he first read the letter of Martha, because he knows then only that The lines he said to real Martha can't be known by the Martha of other world. So it may be all version of all characters were past and future life of each other. And that is why he became Adam from Jonas.
There is also a hint given in episode 5 of season 2 that in staring scene Middle Jonas dreamed where he is with Teenage Martha on bed and then suddenly Martha belly Ejects black liquid and that was their son, the origin, he was shocked because Adult jonas never goes to Martha for intercourse on bed , but because in true sense he goes to Martha world and died and reincarnated in alternate version.
And this song just was playing during Stranger Jonas was on work, indicating that he is done dying
12:00-13:35. Jesus, it's just so damn heart rending. Never knew there was a term for this feeling and always assumed it was associated with nostalgia in some way. I think for me, this is why Dark was so powerful.
Is there a word for this term?
@@oriolpaune6268 Entfernung.
The word Entfernung also means distance
reminds me of the scene in interstellar where matthew mcconaughey is watching his kids after years went by on earth, they grew up and he missed so much of their lives, and for him just 1 hour passed in the orbit. thats exact the same feeling and one of the most powerful scenes in cinematic history.
This show was so good, I really started to think it was needlessly convoluted towards the end but then it wrapped it all up so well that I couldn't help but admit this is one of the best shows of all time. What a momentous effort writing this must have been. They got once in a lifetime acting performances from nearly every cast member, the score is chilling and unforgettable, each shot feels impossibly curated as if each scene was inspired by an existing painting. This is an absolute monster of a drama and everyone should watch it.
2:00
"And so i've asked the animal: don't you wanna tell me about your being? And the animal wanted to answer, but straight away forgot the answer. So the animal exist only in present and without memory or will."
Friedrich Nitzsche
I binged this a few weeks ago. The mental gymnastics became addictive. Didn't dawn on me till I watched other TV shows. This really is the show that deserves masterpiece and explanation videos. The ending is amazing. It's done something that hasn't been done before not for me at least. That's how great it is. Great video. 😊love the way the gun travels through time and a prop has a journey that level of writing is sublime.
How has this video not have more thousands of votes by now?
Thanks! If you know any Dark fans, tell them about the video!
View* just caught my mistake
Insanely beautiful analysis. I finished watching this show years ago, yet it remained my favorite show of all time till this day. (Can't express how happy I was when you ended the video by manifesting the "Dasein" feeling). Will definitely share this video with some of my friends.
I come back to this video over and over again. Somehow, you have created a masterpiece.
I found it most appropriate to loop this infinitely
I finished a few hours ago and what a goddamn ride this was. I don't think I ever kept the ENTIRE family tree in my mind. I would update it every time a change was made to it by a character who traveled forward or back, but I wouldn't think about every single connection made. That was... too much for me, tbh, although I am glad that such maps exist online (even on the official website haha).
why do i find this just NOW, almost two years after finishing the 3rd season?! this video is great, it shows a lot of the philosophic questions in dark and i love the corresponding video clips!
Omg same
Great video. Much appreciated.
There is one more dialog by tanhouse which touches the core philosophy.
"You can choose what you want but your wants are already choose for you".
The content is worth of every praise of course, but I wanted to mention something else. I noticed within you narration two phrases from Dark soundtrack songs, "Quiet life" and "Somehow, somewhen" (which, for people who do not know German, would be English translation of 1st and 3rd word from Nena's "Irgendwie, iregendwo, irgendwann") - and there may be more that I missed. I can't believe this is an accident, at the very least you would have to do it unconsciously, but I very much doubt this. I think you did it on purpose, little symbols left there for an watchful ear in true style of Dark itself, what a unity of form and content this would be. If this is indeed the case, it's PURE MASTERY.
Fantastic analysis!
Notice the reference when he says 'A quiet life', at 8:24, which is a reference to the song which seems perfectly written for this series
Dark is perfect never believe anything else
I'm doing my thesis on Heidegger, so absolutely I was excited to see you apply his philosophy to my favorite tv show.
I'd been thinking about Heidegger a lot while watching the show (e.g., one more simple example, the show's repeated line that "What we know is a drop; what we don't know, an ocean." That's very much Heidegger's contention in Origin of the Work of Art, that what discloses itself to us is meaningful is bound around the edges by a vast sense of unknown "earth").
Oh interesting. Are you doing PhD in philosophy?
@@harshr1831 Renaissance Literature, but with phenomenology is my primary theoretical approach.
@@jonathanlgill since you are doing your thesis on heidegger you must have read a lot about him. Can you suggest a good book by him for a beginner?
@@harshr1831 Michael Inwood's "A Very Short Introduction to Heidegger" works well as an introduction. Hubert Dreyfus is another name to mention: his readings of Heidegger are not just highly influential in English scholarship, but he really tries to make Heidegger as clear as possible without sacrificing any depth.
@@jonathanlgill great! I will check it out. Thank you.
This was excellent!
Thank you!
Edit: It's been 6 months since I first watched this and it is still the most beautiful post Dark essay on CZcams!
This is brilliant! Best overview of the themes explored in Dark. So well narrated!
What a fantastic breakdown of the series....Very well done
I have listen to this over and over. And it never get old.
Simply the best Dark analysis I’ve watched. Thank you for this amazing content!
amazing analysis. Thinking of photos of my grandparents as you describe the feeling made me cry.
Great explanation of the philosophical thought structure behind the storyline of the series.
Very nice video that inspects the beauty and elegance of Dark. Really great when someone can clearly express such deep themes. Thanks for sharing!
You have a real genius about your ways of words. Subscribed. The future in Dark is always bearing down on the characters it has a velocity that can not be out maneuvered. 🤯🤯🤯I got goosebumps. This video was well worth time.
Thanks for this video summary, I just finished watching the last episode last night and am still mulling it over…this series is true art and took me on a rollercoaster of emotions and realisations. I now know I’ll have to watch it all again sometime with the benefit of hindsight. Profound, moving and thought provoking.
This was one the best Dark videos I seen in a while! Not only that but you got the show on a whole wrapped up real nicely!.! XD
Very well made, amazing production and analysis
Fractions of an infinite whole 💯 yaaas i love THAT 👏🏾
Beautiful and deep
Somehow that thumbnail and this popping up in my algorithmic feed was the impetus for watching the show so I can fully appreciate a surely moving, visual essay. Well done, my friend.
Every character's storyline is just amazing!
THIS WAS AMAZING, one of the best takes i’ve watched, thank you 🙏🏾 🎉❤
thank you for such a beautiful essay!
you did a really good job w this fr
thank you for this magnificent video dude
Very nice video man! Thx for the work👌🏼
Brilliant Work. Thank you.
Thanks for the explanation. Well done.
This video is so underrated. This is exactly why I called in love with this show. It manages to stay consistent withits philosophical background, and the finale truly bearks my heart.
And honestly, I felt so touched by those unnamed sences that you come across you life. When you fell in love you feel ... like you know this person for million years before, and it's almost like you feel them not the first time, but once more after a loss, and it is the nostalgia coming back at your for what is only about to happen (done beautifully in Arrival, by the way, and I was blessed to feel this once myself). Of pain, no, almost suffer of letting go. Or this sense of inevitability. Or deja vu. Or this nostalgia that you feel for the simpler times, like you know that the pain that happened shaped you, and you don't wish to come back to naiveness, but still long for the time when you had the world in the palm of your hand. Or how it feels to sacrifice something. They managed to convey so many nuanced emotions and portray them so beautifully...
Thank you for the profound philosophy! amazing video for an amazing show.
That was beautiful ✨
Everything you said regarding Heidegger's perspectives, we discussed in school in Sweden when i was 16 years old. Cool to hear it again today.
Fantastic video! So glad I found it on reddit.
Love your channel and your Wisdom, if there is such thing.
What a masterpiece! Thank you for this video❤
You have a real genius about your ways of words. Subscribed.
Ok, Now I like you more because of the painting at the end. Very clever play of words, since the name you’ve chosen for the channel is also in the name of the painting itself. Also given that the painting is my favourite of all.
The Best Dark Analysis!
This video is so damn good, good job bro👏👍
Beautifully written!
Wow this was incredible, what i would give to be able to re watch this show again from a blank slate.
I’m going to re watch it again (:
Wow man
I have no words just wow👏🏼
Man, how did you create this video? I mean, you sound like a Dark expert, and your knowledge of Philosophy and life are terrific! i was intrigued from the beginning to the end...and from the end to the beginning. ;)
I originally watched the show dubbed, but now watching this and seeing Ulrich say the qoute from the Kreator song which is in English, makes the scenes with Egon that much better, him thinking about it as some foreign parable.
It was my favorite show when I was a young teenager, I saw the philosophy in some kind in the show bakc then, but I did not know what philosphy of existence or existencialism is. Now the show makes even more sense. Great analysis
amazing video!
Amaizing show. Thanks for the video, it helped me go even deeper into philosophy behind Dark. Budists call this cylce samsara. Endless cylce of birth, life and death, again and again. Because of attachment, desire and karma, we are making the same decisions again and again, and produce the same karma (fate). They say that only when we escape samsara, we can be free. They did that at the end❤
You just blew my mind with the fact that we will never actually experience our own death. Wow
That's not what some scientists say. Or brain is active for s some time after "death".
good essay!👍
I appreciate this video so much...
such an amazing video damn im so glad i found this
This brings to mind the Buddhist concept of Dukkha.
How do you know about the concept of Buddhist?
It's in Hinduism too
best content,and so deep voice
Great analysis! Shows us how our “predestined” circumstances change who we are ... everything is connected. Everything affects everything.
Extremely good stuff
가장 근본적으론 인간은 시간을 기록하고 시간에 따른 서사가 있기에 시간을 인식하지만 어쩌면 모든 변화를 한번에 인식할 기회가 생기면 시간에 대한 관념이 뒤바뀔 수 있다고 생각해요.시한부 환자는 일반인과 다른 시간 관념을 지니고 살겠죠.
incredible upload Sea of Fog. I killed that thumbs up on your video. Keep on up the fantastic work.
great video
Beautiful!
this video was of the highest quality
Excellent video about my favorite TV show I'm subscribed now ❤❤❤
DARK is life, both Paradise and Hell.
Lets not forget the Soundtrack!!!!!!
Sic mundus creatus est. It has to do with the Emerald Tablet that is also written on the body’s of Bartosz and Noah. Hermeticism is the religion and philosophy where a lot from Dark comes from. It’s an rabbit hole to hardly get out of when entered. It will awnser all questions
Excellent video
best analysis!
I love this video, but I disagree that Helge knew he couldn't change his fate but tried anyway. He had dementia, afterall. He might have legitimately thought that he could change things, not being able to reason through it like a man with a sound mind could have. I think he died thinking he was actually changing things.
I have said FUCK YES out loud only minutes into this.
That are many questions that made me seek annihilation (suicide) to finally be free of the pain, but I've started to believe in neither annihilation or in the cycle of life, but something else, something beyond what our little minds can comprehend, It's hard to accept that we will probably never know what happens afterwards, but maybe we shouldn't care, maybe we should let go of that desire to seek meaning in life but enjoy it until the time comes that we may or may not understand everything, maybe there's much more that we will never be able to comprehend until we go from this world to another one, but until then I'll live.
Or maybe there is a way of knowing, nothing is impossible
Such a good video.
Great video =) subbed
Great analysis of a masterpiece series very very power writing Dark is amazing one of the best series ever made.
oh shit you also have my favorite television show of all time. wow
I like you mister. I want you to know that, because I like you since your picture is from Bloodborne and you’re talking about Dark… hats off to you.
amazing
Holy fucking shit, I thought this was School of Life or something. Excellent video! Subscribed!
I was thinking about how Hannah is just at the center of everything discussed in this video. Very telling she got the last lines of the series, I feel
amazing gj
The songs the soundtrack the art in this was very good
1k likes and 30k views? Are you kidding me? I feel like this video changed my life somehow
very interesting perspektive on the show, also impressed that you seem to be a reader of Heidegger
great video, was looking for something just like this
Is it weird I just thought of DARK as a fourth dimensional family freeing themselves from matter through deleting their existences?