Is the 911 really the best all round sports car? Maserati GranSport Vs 997 C2S
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- Update on Maserati Gransport ownership coupled with a comparison to the legend that is the Porsche 911 - 997 C2S !
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You can't beat the sound of the Maserati.
You're absolutely right!!
Yes off course i get a hemi 392 , and blow the doors of that fish like maserati , soound like a demon o any amg v8 !
@@Tigerloco70 errr no lol. Those sound like shit. In person, the gransport sounds like a beast
@@Tom--Ace no man a hellcat is comparable because of beefed up supercharger whine and hellcat in a manual driving like a ol' boat is dreams come true I can't say which one sounds better I would prefer cl600 amg 2007 for massaging seats lol
@@karmveer240 They just don't. They sound like pushrod American V8 shit.
Why do you think American Sports cars are only popular in America?
The sound of your grand sport is magnificent
I agree!! does sound amazing
I own a Maserati and the third day I owned it, I removed the fuse that brings power to the radio/CD player. Hasn't been turned on since!
The Porsche might be the "better car" - but I still prefer the Maserati! More emotions, more style!
The Maserati sounded amazing, and it certainly adds to the whole experience......great engine. The extra skirts on this Maserati may divide opinion, but I think they really gave it a sporty look. The front and rear definitely are better for it.
I think the Gransport side skirts and general styling improvements were very very well done and really transformed in a subtle way the look of the 4200 - having shopped around for both and settled on a Gransport, I think it easily bests the 4200 in styling (particularly the interior and wheels).
In fact the interior, steering wheel and carbon fibre use and exterior facelift on the Gransport is the reason I decided on one over the cheaper 4200.
neighbour has the Maserati, sounds and feels more special than any 911
Gimme the Maserati any day.
apples to oranges. The Maserati is a GT the Porsche is NOT.
The editing and camera shots are your best so far. Great commenting and review of those two. Top work chap really really impressed
Thank you!! Thanks just so great to hear!!
I totally respect that Porsche ,
when Ferrari owned Maserati they made the best of the Maseratis, forever. 🏁
Yes you can see the effort that has gone into this video
Thanks Nick! Hopefully they will keep improving!
You sound very professional.
Great videos and two superb cars.
Nice comparison Jack, it’s great seeing videos comparing affordable super/sports cars like this. 👍👍
Thanks Stan!
Much more better the MASERATI , also the reves , and sound ....FERRARI !!!
OMG, the elegant style and the noise of the Maserati!!!
Could someone please tell me what the other vehicle is?
Superb videos Number 27…keep up the great work!
I like both, I like the reliability and Teutonic charm of the 911. But I also enjoy a hand built car that decides to work when it wants to, it's like it has its own human personality. Make sure you have a trickle charger on that Maserati though or one day you start it and your instrument cluster will look like a Christmas tree.
I owned a 355 and the cambiacorsa. the cambiacorsa was hard core and special. I sold the 355 and and just really love the maserati and it's not an every day car.
Again two lovely cars, great to watch, thanks
Maserati of course 🔱
Nice comparison, have a great weekend!
Thank you!!
No surprises there as both have less than ideal transmissions and funnily both were on my buying list, though I ended up with a manual 98 996. A tad off topic but I would like to hear your opinion on 996 vs 997 as you have experienced both please.
Nice one Jack 😀I have driven both, as you know, and both have unpleasant gearboxes! 996 is a great all rounder, fast, economical, comfy but a little dull and understeery. Nice roads BTW....😇
Did you enjoy Gransport as much as 147GTA? I have an A35 and considering 147GTA or Gransport
Hi there had both and kinda agree with you but kinda don't the maz needs some tweeks but once done transforms the car and makes it come alive. I sold the porcshe. get the Fomula Dynamics dbw module it changes the software in to F458 territory. and means you can drive out of sport mode with quicker changes. I also recommend springs and brake upgrades. you then have a fantastic GT car!!!
I see older modern Maserati, I subscribe.
Ha!!! Thanks Scott. I have sold it now but hope you enjoy the other videos too!
Both cars should be on the garage. I'd prefer Gransport over Granturismo. I'd prefer 997/1 C2S over 991 and 992. Last examples of oldschool craftsmanship.
Thanks for watching chap!
There are only two occasions I put my 997.2 PASM in Sport mode. One is going over aggressive speed bumps because it stops the exhaust crashing down on the speed bump, the other is at Silverstone. Generally, other roads and circuits are too bumpy!
Yep, tried it in both.. seems you're right there Paul! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Glad you picked a tiptronic for the comparison. How is the Maserati around town for getting groceries? Looked so luxurious!!
Great job Jack! The Maserati is a good looking car and sounds the business but the 997 takes the win for me alough I'd definitely rather have your C2 😊.
Look forward to your next video ! 🖒
Cheers Ryan!
I do enjoy a 997.2 4S (manual of cause) as a daily and an older Maser (Indy 4700 America) if i want that V8 sound. The GranSport has been a very important car for Maserati, the Ferrari genes do not hurt too. This it is a special car to own and having flaws is part of the deal. The 997.1 with the Tiptronic, well - i would go for a 997.2 with PDK or manual instead :-). This being said, the 997.1 is still fast enough in most cases anyways. Both generate smiles per gallon in their own way.
1:10 “music” hahaha oh yeah yeah
Looks like a Gorgeous place to sit in that GranSport and it sounds great its very appealing, but I'm a bit biased - so it's Porsche for me - nice video !
Yep, lovely place to be indeed and that engine is epic!! 997 is the better car objectively but they are so different.. depends on what you're looking for really! thanks for watching Roger!
To be honest with you, I picked a Gransport over a Porche because at the end of the day, the interior, engine and styling just made them much nicer places to be than the Porsches I tried. Not to mention, Porsche interiors are cramped and do not age well.
But even the Boxsters I tried were clearly superior in terms of flat handling and body roll to the Gransport - and I think this is largely what affects the opinion in this video.
I am replacing the standard springs with Formula Dynamics Sport Springs and installing a Formula Dynamics Drive By Wire unit for this reason and I reckon with these changes, the dynamic difference between the Porsche and Gransport will be largely closed.
So i'd say it also depends on what improvements you intend to make to the vehicle! If you buy a stock Gransport, be aware that there are some 'must have' improvements without which it is a bit of a compromised 'luxury' cruiser compared to a sports car like the Porsche.
it is very interesting to see the resale value to both cars , they were about the same price when new but 997 C2s holds the value much better than GranSport(in Australia , a GranSport is around $40k AUD vs $70k AUD
Hi! Here that was true .. but now 997s have continued to drop whereas the GranSport is worth around £5k more than the equivalent 997...
As with the Alfa's...The little quirks make them special as the Porsche's nowadays are almost perfect but become very boring very shortly. The automated single clutch is strange in normal driving but when you hammer it is unbeatable feeling-wise, just imagine a dual clutch in a Lambo Aventador...of course it will be somewhat quicker but that feeling when the clutch grabs on every upper gearchange....you cannot do that in a pdk, sorry. Same with the Alfa's Selespeed, a marvelous box if you understand how it works!
Neither comes anywhere near a manual nonetheless, imho (having previously owned an Alfa 916 GTV 3.0 V6, and now owning a Gransport). A manual gearbox like the Alfa's, let alone an amazing one like the one I tried on a 1987 Lotus Excel SE (literally like a bolt rifle) or a gated shifter, is just far and away the best shifting experience - albeit at the cost of an unforgiving nature and being easy to burn out in hard driving.
The automated single clutch will do perfect shifts and launches day in, day out, with probably less wear than an average driver would put on a comparable manual clutch. That's the cost of analog driving I suppose - better feel, but more room for error.
There really isn't a comparison here. The Porsche is nice and all, but that Gransport is something special. I'd take it in a heartbeat any day over the 911. Unless it was a 911 turbo...
Beside "slow shifts"can be addressed with a simple tune for sub-$1k.
It shows the lack of understanding of Maserati philosophy and the nature of F1. Its also what Ferrari lacked to give Maserati in the fear of competing with their own cars . You can remap the TCU and get the amazing experience . It’s the Ferrari greed more than anything . I had a 997 and it was boring as
The Maserati was at least equal in a straight line, I can vouch for that as I was following in the 911 at the end of the shoot. It wasn’t scientific, but I am confident there is not much in it and wouldn’t surprise me either way. In the twisters I think in the right hands the 911 would do better......
Yes, there seemed be nothing in it.. I guess that the extra 280kgs the Maser carries around negate the power and 6 speed box advantage it would otherwise have.
To answer Minoltalphafans comment.... Porsches are common and you don't give them a second look these days, where a Maserati is just awesome!!! Yes, the porsche is probably a better every day car (its german), but the maserati (as everything italian ;-) ) is inspirational and sounds like nothing else!! Theres not many cars out there that sound as good as a V8 Maser, but like everything in life... its what you like..if every car in the world was 'german' life would be boring.... :-)
To be honest the Masser in real life is a bit quiet and needs a muffler edit. But once that's done, epic! I would say the sound of the Granturismo was done better than the Gransport, which was overmuffled. Either way, a Porsche certainly sounds worse either way.
The thing for me with Porsches is the interior is just SO MUCH WORSE than the Gransport (although not necessarily the Granturismo, which imho went a long way backwards in terms of interior compared to the Gransport).
Particularly the fully specced LE Gransports are just an amazing place to sit, with leather all round and beautiful sumptuous interiors.
I was really hoping for a better conclusion, all that time comparing them to just say that maserati would get a bit annoying?
The title gave the impression I could expect a more definitive answers and I was hoping for some supporting information.
Hey, fair comments. This is however just a blog so I don’t always have time to include as much info as I would like! Thanks for watching aniway!
@@Number27 Ok, well it was a very nice video, I was just hoping for a bit of a stronger conclusion as I'm actually considering buying bother of these cars already. But anyway you provided a lot of useful information so I guess I can take it from there, thanks and keep up the good work!
hahaha I could've told you the tip wasn't a poo poo as most think, I agree that was a good comparison. I've been out on a few Porsche drives around the windy's and more than once I've been asked if my P996 was a manual. With time once you get used to the lag between changes you can begin to extract the best out of the engine and enjoy the drive. What I don't like is that during a spirited drive sometimes it's easy to bump the tip button up or down when turning the wheel and either you lose revs and power or suddenly find yourself red lining. That was a good honest review, I do like the Maserati interior and sounds shame it doesn't drive as well as it should. How many miles have you put on it so far, wondering when that clutch replacement is due?
Only put about 1K miles on it.. clutch replaced not long ago so totally fine.. 33% wear rate at this point! Do like it.. just needs softer suspension and slightly slower steering with more feel!
I can only assume the clutch isn’t set up terribly well and the suspension needs some work on your Gransport. I’ve owned both and a well set up Gransport changes gear much quicker and smoother than a tiptronic 997 and rides and steers much better too. I have a 14k miles Gransport now and it drives unbelieveably well for a 10 year old car - even better to drive than my F430 - but they do need an expert to set them up right.
It actually needs the opposite. It needs stiffer springs! The problem is that the springs on the Gransport are far too soft, and this actually WORSENS its ability to handle terrain - ie, its a 'crashier' suspension experience.
This is particularly noticeable going over speed bumps - go slow and it wont touch, go just a little bit faster and the springs can't handle it and the car will scrape. The springs were a terrible choice on the car but visit Formula Dynamics and there are some much needed corrections available.
You'd fall asleep in that Porche , How dull . Driving a Gransport is an event . It has a sense of occasion . You have to hang on to it , but is so much more of a thrill .
997.2 is my favorite 911.
Everyday sports car it’s got to be the Porsche but the sound of the Maserati is just gorgeous....just leave it as a weekend car haha
it Does sound amazing...makes up for all sorts of ills!
They are very similar... www.zeperfs.com/en/duel1243-2216.htm But the extra weight makes Maser a little slower on track. But for everyday use, the special halo of the Maser definitely is a win win bet, that´s why i chose it for me and is the best car I´ve owned (by far).
Samuel de Uña thanks for watching.. and in terms of ‘special’ feel the Maser definitely has the 997 licked!!
When i come to a curved road it´s like driving a Hummer with a reaction turbine, i agree with you in that, but i don´t hink the gearbox is slow. Using it in normal mode yes, its rubbish, the gearbox try to imitate a torque converter and that definitely crashes the clutch, but in sport mode that is less noticeable. The fastests gear changes, according to the owners guide, is fullthrottle and, i dont remember perfectly, above 5000 rpm. In that circumstance is like a shot and really makes the difference.
I had a M3 SMGII and that gearbox was, for me, much worse and slow.
The Maserati you owned had an aftermarket exhaust?
Love the V8 Maserati “
The transport is clearly not a 2008
Maserati 😍😍
The Mass is a gt not a sports car... it's a true 4 seater. Crash ride same as alfas. Never got what your ad mpg was on the masa
What’s a scratcher ????? I’m American 🇺🇸
Not really a "scratcher" - confused?
Maserati any day!
Unless it’s the 996 or 997 Turbo, Maserati for me.
Why it's not in french😭
Im sorry!!!
It’s a 2006
I would say, Jag XK8... ❤
Interesting and well done for trying but not impressed. Quote-"I think this still has a torque converter" well done. What else would it have, being a conventional automatic gearbox? The sports suspension (PASM) isn't really appropriate for use down bumpy country lanes. The Maserati weighs in at around 400 kg more than the 997 with only 25hp more so I doubt it's quicker. I could go on. I have driven both cars.
Gazza912 Quote: “The Maserati weighs 400kg more and only has 25bhp extra”... errrm NO. The Maser weighs 270kg more, has 45hp more and a six speed box as opposed to the Torque converter 5 speed of the Porsche, so it could well be quicker. If you’re going to correct someone at least try and get your facts right, but interesting and well done for trying.
@@Number27 Damn.
Maserati 👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎
Bad road dangerous. . Bumpy traffic driving on wrong side.
Ive owned both the maserati is a trillion times nicer then any porsche.Yes any porsche.Ive driven virtually all porsches great cars
Maserati all the way!!! 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
Thanks for watching!
@@Number27 thank you for this amazing video brother 👍👍
2008?!
Chris Glover yep, one of the last they made!
No it’s not it’s late 2006 early 2007 on a 56 plate.
You described the Maserati perfectly
aston martin race
Good idea.. not done an Aston yet!
Masi makes the Porsche look like a brick.
The Porsche is way too stiff, and after an 1/2 hour you’ll feel too tired. It’s terrible for long distance.
jaguar
996 and 997 engine down...... the IMS ( double pulley) break engine . Porsche ... no thanks
Who cares about sound? People who know nothing about true performance. 911 Porsche is way better than the horrific reliability of a Maserati. Only fools say Maserati better
You probably know nothing about performance indeed!
Or reliability. It seems like your opinion isnt based on much of anything
New generation Maserati's suck ..No comparison to a 911 . Sounds nice though, wouldn't want to own a Maserati out of warranty.
Yep, you can't argue that they sound nice!! but they are flawed cars. At least for me. later ones are better
Mike being an owner of one and having investigated maintenance costs for both I'm not sure that a 911 is any better a proposition out of warranty! They are both 3x or so more expensive than an ordinary car on costs (sometimes more), but I wouldn't say its crazy high. Most sports cars have high running costs.
If you think a Porsche will be cheap to maintain, you're in for a rude surprise..
For that, consider more ordinary performance cars.
If you want v8 sound or judge cars for the sound they make , get a muscle car , challenger 392, mustang shelby or a chevy camaro for example, not this stupid piece of junk maserati garbage cars
I'm guessing you don't own one otherwise I doubt you'd ever call it garbage.
Perfect? No. But it is still one of the best driving experiences an ordinary person will ever have.