The "House Sound" of Listening Fatigue | Klipsch 600M II Review
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everytime I see a NRD review drop its like a warm hug and a fresh mug of coffee given to me.. just a relaxing enjoyable stress free experience to watch.
Yes, so refreshing. Straight ahead - no BS.
This.... I just can't get enough.
I’ll grab a extra large coffee. Sorry Randy.
Love this, although I do get worried that Ron is turn into mighty Gandalf, with his beard growing longer…. He needs some genuine fajitas and German beer to fill out his face. 😍
I wish i could buy a new set of realistic mc 1200's
I absolutely love my 600m’s, keep the grills on and not toed in too much, give them a warm sounding amp, they are wonderful sounding, I don’t hear the u shape sound, the mids are very much presentable, I listen to them all Sunday afternoon and never are they ear fatiguing but thats me and I love them, I love hearing them at a low volume late at night, you hear details and clarity not many speakers can do at this price.
What are you calling a warm sounding amp?
I agree with you. Have RB 81ii's bookshelves older version of these, not bright, great.
@@getahanddown yeah, how can we know what is warm without buying trying every possible amp?
Agreed - any speaker can sound awful with the wrong amp - and most speakers will sound decent with the right amp.
Wtf is a "warm" amp and the "wrong" amp? If they all have a flat frequency response which most do and no audible distortion then they will all sound the same
I would like to make a couple points as an owner of the original RP600m’s as well as some more neutral sounding diy speakers and various amplifiers.
most people who shop for klipsch speakers never pay list price ( I paid $377 at Best Buy)as they frequently go on sale.
you never mentioned synergy between speaker amps and preamps. In listening to these did you swap out equipment (class a for ab for d)? Perhaps inserting and amp or preamp with a warmer sound would bring up the midrange and lessen your fatigue.
I don’t know but something about your review just came across like you enjoyed dishing out criticism of these a bit too much.
@@dannyfannyfoodle he didn't lie. He referred to the video where he clearly tells the price difference.
If you have to fix your speakers you bought the wrong speakers. Seriously, a budget speaker that you can't use with the gear you already have is a fail. Ever wonder why you can find open box Klipsch's whenever you want? Hmmmm.
"Perhaps inserting and amp or preamp with a warmer sound would bring up the midrange and lessen your fatigue." Sounds like you don't understand how these devices work, but you've watched lots of videos with people preconditioning you to believe such things. An amplifier amplifies the signal. It cannot "bring up the midrange". If you really think it can do so, please tell me how it does it.
@@Jon-nz3dm some manufacturers tune their amplifiers to have a certain tonality. Most won't fix glaring issues, but there are some out there that may reduce certain traits of certain speakers (or enhance others).
Of course it's better to get speakers that don't have as much a problem in the first place.
And there are certain traits that cannot be fixed via tonal balance.
@@RennieAsh I agree, you should really never buy a speaker that you think you need certain equipment with to "get the right sound/balance". Especially since most of those changes with various equipment are placebo, so long as the equipment is in proper working order and of a certain quality.
So I'd like to ask you then
"some manufacturers tune their amplifiers to have a certain tonality" how? what does an engineer do to tune an amplifiers tonality?
I have a pair of the 600 Ms and they sound good. I also have a pair of RF7’s. I’ve been listening to music all my life and it’s amazing to me how much everyone says they can hear. My equipment sounds best when my listening environment is quiet and the Corona is cold. If it sounds good to you that’s all that maters.
I always make sure the Corona is cold in my household. That may also be the reason why I love most of the speakers I’ve owned. 😂
ABSOLUTELY.....!
Reviewing speakers is difficult because there is what is objectively good (meaning, quality polar response and the like) and then there is personal preference as to what sounds best. Part of what sounds best has to do with how loudly you listen because your perception of dynamics and detail changes as volume goes up and down.
IMO, I think going for an objectively better measuring speaker and EQ-ing to taste is the better way to go.
how many other speakers have you tried? have you heard what a fine-tuned speaker sounds like, and would you say Klipchs is better. If one has a beautiful wife who screams and shouts at you all the time, but not enough to get rid of her, you will adapt to the noise eventually.
@Rockit66 that was funny
So much nitpicking isn't necessary - either fine tune the tone controls on the receiver, or just hook in a good old school equalizer and adjust as necessary to raise the midrange dip. Done and done! 😎👍
This adds distortion
Thank you for pointing out what every true audiophile knows, what sounds good to someone may not sound good to another and it may be because of what an engineer would classify as a “defect” actually results in something that listeners may define as pleasing. I have been an audiophile since the early 70s and I learned early to rely on my ears and not my eyes when deciding on what audio gear to purchase for my own use and I always tell others to do the same. I have a pair of the original 600Ms and I am amazed at how well they sound with almost anything driving them.
These so called audiophiles are just arrogant snobbish proclaim my rig has all emotive equipment. A schitt LOKI EQ. FLUANCE TURN TABLE ETC ETC
Appreciate the truth in your reviews. Keep up the great work 👍👍
Great review buddy!!
Thanks for the great review. Can you please review the RF7 III from Klipsch. Not too many reviews on that speaker even though it came a while ago.
After owning the original, completely agree! It is truly dynamic! There are a lot people who likes the ‘smiley’ equalization like myself
But it is also fatiguing to listen in long sessions
If you're listening to any speaker at loud volumes you'll get fatigue. I listen to the 600M (series 1) all day in my home office. No fatigue at all.
Klipsch speakers when used for music rather than home theater are critical of amp pairing. Simple tube or lower powered class-A amps are what bring out the strengths and smooth the rougher edges. The amplification used here was not mentioned. Reviewers who loved the 600M's - such as Steve Guttenberg - drove them appropriately. There is (almost) no such thing as good or bad speakers and amps. There are good and bad systems.
Seems to me to be a waste of time to correct the errors of some product with the errors of another..
@@Hirnlego999 Too many users and respected reviewers like the 600M's for them to be considered seriously flawed. They have character. When paired sympathetically that's called synergy, which is definitely not a waste of time.
@@gaborozorai3714 I think a lot of reviewers feel a pressure to put out positive reviews, if they aren't then they will not receive more products to review and that can stop the cashflow.
This is essentially the fault with the hi-fi press, it's basically made to make money for a lot of people above all so this is also why it's not very scientific.
And then it's likely when people get sort of brainwashed by the corporate system they will read that their product is fine, so obviously it's fine. Obviously. A well received product can then become a sort of status symbol, you bought something great. Ain't that great?
Yep. Lots of people like them and many reviewers even said they're not bright after break-in. It's all of a matter of taste and if you don't like it change your system or buy a different speaker. Whether it's flawed is a matter of taste.
@@Carl-bd1rf When it comes to power and room size I do. But there are neutral sounding components and they do not need matching. Sadly the regular thing is to try to fix the faults of one thing with the faults of the other.
Some speakers obviously too can be fixed with EQ, but it's not possible with all if the sound signature is all over the place..
Same goes for headphones, some cam be EQd to be more neutral, some others can't..
Thanks Ron. I preferred my entry level elacs (not the unifi or reference ones) over the mark 1 version and thought maybe I was wrong or something. I am ready to get something higher up the menu so I look forward to your views on the Buchardt S400 mark II.
Thanks again. John
EXCELLENT REVIEW,,, YOU NAILED IT
Dude, thanks for the honest review! This is exactly what I hear everytime I hear Klipsh speakers. By the way, did you ever reviewed the KLH Model 5? I saw it on the thumbnail of one of your videos… Thanks!
Coming up 🔜
So your saying for your taste, you don't like them? That is the beauty of this hobby. We get to choose what we like. Thanks!
It just goes to show it's all in the ear of the beholder. I think a lot of these descriptions like thin mid range and texture less bass and even fatiguing highs is a bit over done. I have listened to ELAC's, Q Audio's, JBL's etc. and for me I totally prefer the Klipsch sound(although I hate the Heresy). I have the 600Mii's set up with a Cambridge Audio AXA35 amp and CXA35 cd player and I love the sound. I think the amp is a good balance with these speakers and don't find them fatiguing or sibilant at all. Also, I find the bass to be very textured. I listen to a lot of jazz and when I hear an upright double bass you can hear the players fingers against the strings.
Haven't heard the new RP-600M 2, but never been a fan of RP series anyway (copper colored drivers). That being said, I find the whole "fatiguing" thing ridiculous. Live music, including acoustic, is very "fatiguing". I've heard a lot of soft, well mannered ELACs and they don't have any presence, no body, no "life" to them. So from now on, I'm only looking for "fatiguing" speakers.
I agree, depending on music. That was actually my thinking when I bought the original RP-600's, to get that liveliness and excitement back. Coming from a pair of B&W 602 S3's, which was boring as hell, just as you describe it, I just wanted som real "life". Klipsch is perfect for that, they really kick without asking, and for some types of music they are great.
Me too. I sold my Kef speakers because were so boring. I'm getting heresy iv now.
@@jerrypowers7671 I hear you. I have a lot of respect for Andrew Jones, but KEFs sound so boring, so British... Just like British food being so bad/forgettable, so goes their speakers.
@@jerrypowers7671 what KEF models did you had? I have the Q350 and i dont like them, i use them in a 5.1.2 home cinema and i found them as you say, boring, not alive! I need something more dynamic, i mostly use them for movies but i listen to music too.
@@AexoeroV I had Kef reference model 3. Do u approve?
Gotta keep the industry honest and improving. Thanks for no BS! Love it.
Hi NRD, what is your opinion about Polk R100? Do you think it's better or it's bright too or would you recommend something else? I care a lot about the vocals.
The guitar licks on the outtro was dire straights, which song? Remind me! It’s driving me crazy!
Thanks for a straight shooter review. Nice one. Just watched your mofi record rant, you’re on fire bro! Love it. Keep it real.
I have to say this. I remember years ago when i listened to Klipsch speakers for music how i found them to bright in the treble. I thought of getting these to try, in that so many are saying how Klipsch has changed. I am glad i checked out your view to open my eyes again to remind me that that bright sound is still there in these speakers. I think they may be fine for movies but i don't wand to be exhausted after hours of music. Thank you.
What I did was get some 600M's, some Elac's reference's and some Sony SScs5's. I rotate them out. Believe it or not, the cheap Sony's are not bad for $79.00, I love all three of these speakers. I do use a sub woofer. It's fun to rotate the speakers out. I think you can get all three of these speakers for under $1200.00.
Those Sony's are STELLAR for the price. I was blown away how smooth they were
I have 4 sets I rotate periodically. I get enjoyment from all of them for different reasons, and I quit trying to find a forever speaker. My options are Elac B6, Elac Unifi UB5, Wharfedale Linton 85, and RP600s. Enjoy them ALL!
@@4thewinir344 that's the way audio should be! Enjoy what you have and find stuff that continues bringing you that joy.
What's the best overall speaker if bass is not needed
@@codychavarria6088 Of the ones mentioned above, I believe the Klipsch 600M's.
This is the type of click-bait that only chronic audiophiles will even get, let alone click. I love it!
sad that you missed the point.
Thanks, Ron! Do you have a noob guide or something to get started on real Hi-Fi audio? After years of buying mainstream and expensive (yet unprofessional) speakers, I would love to get a real audiophile product for my living room. At least some advice on hardware to listen rock music with great detail and richness? Thanks again!
What I need is a review from you of the Cornwall IVs. I am having a love/hate relationship with a 5 month old pair and I feel YOU are the guy to sort my head out. Placement has been a bear so I went back to your placement method. I'm still not "there" yet.
Hello teacher! how are you? I'm just starting out in the audiophile world and I need some recommendations if you don't mind. I have a medium 15M2 living room. And among the amplifiers that I saw and can access as a mortal are the Marantz pm6007, Yamaha s301 and the Nad316BEE V2 and speakers like the Klipsch RP500 MKII, Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 and Sony SSCS5. What combinations can you recommend if you are so kind? greetings from Argentina!
Great job Ron.
Frederick
Lol! 🔥. One of my interests with this speaker is to add to my floor standing 3 ways. Understanding that audiophiles don't like 2 sets of speakers running. Wish JBL would go back to 8 ohms.
If the way they increased “time domain” emphasis was via the frequency response, is it really time domain or is it just a tweak in the frequency domain?
Any chance you could specify which JBL speakers you were thinking about in this video?
Hey Ron, I’m curious how long of a break-in period was done with these speakers prior to your listening to them?
30+ hours
I don’t see a link to the comparison of the other two speakers you mentioned
Thank you Ron, you can't surprise me in a bad way, you always perform top notch :)... I am waiting for your opinion on Buchardts like a little kid is waiting for Santa. :) Do you have any ETA?
I listened to your 3 speaker comparison and completely agree with the survey results on which speakers sound better. Then I looked at the prices and though: heck, if my ears were used to $1,000+ speakers, I'm pretty sure the 600Ms would sound lacking in comparison. And, for $1000+, those other speakers BETTER outperform the Klipsch, especially the speakers worth $2k+! Not everyone is lucky enough to have the budget for creme-de-la-creme speakers. 😅 No envy here. 😃😇 I haven't been able to buy RP-600Ms; but I did score a deal on some used RP-400Ms some time ago. For $200, they sound fantastic! For an extra $1000+, I'm pretty sure I can find plenty of speakers that will leave the 400Ms in the dust. But for now, I'm happy and often impressed by what $200 can get.
I haven't listened to a fraction of the speakers you have, Ron. Yet, my instincts always told me to be distrustful of speakers that were all fireworks right out of the gate and for the same reasons you gave. I would ask myself, "Okay, but can you see yourself listening to these and not becoming fatigued after a few songs?" I was at my local dealer's place a while back and listened to some Vandersteens driven by a Parasound Halo Hint 6. I remember thinking, "I bet a lot of folks would, in a blind test, pick those Heresy's in the other room that you listened to over these, but I could listen to these Vandies all day and night!"
I have these speakers and although I love the sound myself, I appreciate your objective and subjective review. Keeping the grills on does make them sound better IMO, and you really do want a good subwoofer to go with them.
I just bought two SVS SB-3000 subwoofers to go with my Klipsch RP-600M ii speakers, and they sound awesome together.
I've been trying to like Klipsch speakers for almost 50 years. I keep listening but always come to the conclusion there is something better in the same price range every time.
Are you have a robotics acoustic mtigator use to assesing spakers?
Thank you fantastically (!) for your honest impressions!! I hate sibilance and there is no redemptive characteristic in the rest of the description either. I already saw Eric's audio measurements, so I'm now thoroughly convinced; I'm not buying this Klipsch! Maybe Dali, Dynaudio or Arendal, which all seem promising, but I've yet to actually hear. Again, THANK YOU for your review! 👍🍺
I'm another that cannot tolerate sibilance, no matter how minor, it ruins everything with music replay and also dialog in movies, making singers/actors sound like they have a lisp, and makes cymbals sound absolutely horrible, its also the most aurally tiring defect a speaker can have, and no amount changes of amplification or DSP will rid a speaker of it, if it has it.
Such a refreshing review! I thought it was just me. After the original 600M's started getting stellar reviews, I tried a pair and was completely underwhelmed. I've come to believe that I am sensitive to too much treble energy, and it always causes me listening fatigue. I just recently got my first open baffle speaker and it is a revelation. It gives me no listening fatigue at all...I can listen all day. Besides sounding generally fantastic, these (single full range driver) open baffles are actually cheaper than the 600M's! They have limited bass, which is normal for full range driver open baffles, but I still find them a delight to listen to. I'll be ordering a sub soon.
Go stereo subs mate, you won't regret it I promise
They don’t need a sub. Get a vintage Sansui amp (or any vintage amp with loudened) with Loudness! I sold my REL T5i for this solution. Put them on heavy stands too.
What brand and model?
@@patrikbjorling4391 Sanusi Integrated amplifiers with the reference AU- preceding the series number. AU-5500 for example. Unfortunately, these amplifiers have shot up in value but remain a great investment. They have a loudness button which transforms my loudspeakers with better mid-range. The idea with Sansui was to recreate a tube sound using transistors. Anything made by Sansui from 1970 up to the Mid to end of the 1980s is going to give you plenty of power and pleasure. You will always be able to sell on your Sansui for the same price you paid.
@@patrikbjorling4391 My stands were made in Portsmouth, UK and filled with sand from Omaha beach. 🙂
Are you going to the Texas Audio Roundup in Austin this weekend- Schiit, Emotiva, etc
How did you position these from a toe-in standpoint? I know Erin said it was too much if you pointed them straight at you but was tolerable if they were pointed 20 degrees more into the room.
I am using an Elac 247.4 floor stander and it’s a great neutral sounding speakers with smooth AMT tweeters. It is somehow quite under rated and not being reviewed more. I find it better than the Elac UFR2 floor standers.
I can spend hours and hours listening without fatigue.
I've never heard a klipsch speakers so cannot comment but take my hat off to anyone who can do a review with his children playing in the background well done sir
How's the sound stage and imaging, loud cymbals notwithstanding?
Sent mine back , I could clearly hear the gap between tweeter and woofer , just felt they were producing an out of phase sound , very dynamic and out there . Lacked in bass . Went to my second choice , Wharfdale diamonds 225. Which measure neutral and flat , love my Wharfdales
Tried many speakers and had the 600s a couple years ago. Good bass and treble, but wow there is almost zero mid range (My favourite range) It’s so scooped out. Did lots of AB tests with other bookshelfs and it’s a dramatic U shape.
I can see certain styles of music fans digging it but wasn’t my jam so I sold them.
Yep typical V or U shape sound. Cant stand Klipsch for this reason.
Same here! When I used the RP600 as my main speakers I was enamoured by the unremarkable Q Acoustics 3020. They have midrange! They sound pretty convincing. They're fine.
Hey Ron - how are things progressing with your 'listening room in a shipping container' ? I know I'm not the only one who is interested to hear how it all comes together - I've seen a few that were turned into backyard recording studios but I dont know of any that are specifically designed to be listening rooms. Cheers mate.
Hey Arthur, I’m not building a listening space in the shipping containers. The containers are being moved out and I’m building a room from the ground up.
@@Newrecordday2013 ok- cool. Looking forward to it.
Based on my experience with the Wharfedale Denton 85, the amount of treble could be a matter of how you connect the speaker to the amp. 1) Single wire cross connection made them sound fatiguing. 2) Using only LF (jumpers to HF) improved things but something was still 'off'. 3) Bi-wired or bi-amp brought the treble down and made them sound balanced. Of course, it could be just a flaw with the Dentons but maybe playing around with the connections will help sort things out with the Klipsches too.
Interesting. I have the Denton 80th and went through several integrated amps (two NAD's, Rega Brio) before finding the one that brings out their richness: Arcam SA10. This is the sound that reminds me of my youth in the 1970's spinning lp's.
The two Dentons with a REL HT 1003 subwoofer cover the frequency range, give articulation and warmth without being analytical or wearying. Just nice music.
@@stephenbailey9969 I've never heard the Denton 80th, but reading the internet, they allegedly sound darker then the Denton 85th. Before I bi-wired the 85th, I regretted not buying the 80th instead.
@@cremersalex I've heard that description of the 80th. It was interesting that right out of the box they sounded OK, but within a week became dark. After a hundred or so hours use, they opened up beautifully. They are capable of accuracy and dynamics without being too bright. To get the woofer operating at its best, your amp needs a bit of oomph down to 4 ohms. The Arcam does that while adding some richness in the tones. Keeping the back of the Dentons about 18 inches from the wall helps the bass from becoming muddy.
I listen mostly to jazz and classical music and don't feel the need for a different speaker with the Denton/REL setup. I had thought at one point about upgrading to the Lintons, but my Denton/REL setup is less expensive and less obtrusive.
A good analogous is tvs having brightness and color saturation set to 11 in the store to bump sales , but in reality it's obnoxious. Clean sounding setups take time to appreciate where lound and bright sells
I love Buc-ee's ! Nice review.
Have you ever reviewed the Cornwall IV ?
Yep... the biggest mistake in all of high-end audio is mistaking brightness for resolution/detail. Been there. Done that. Don't like it! It was a lesson that took a lot of time (and wasted funds) to learn. When you finally get it right, you can listen for hour upon hour and still feel disapointed that you have to stop. That's how you know.
So true
Comparadas con las que mejora Dany GR, cual es mejor???
It's really all personal preference. I don't find the original RP-600M fatiguing at all. I listen to Spotify all day at low to mid volume. These speakers are very detailed and I hear things in songs that I didn't hear with my previous speakers. My amp is Yamaha integrated amp and the combination is excellent.
Good video.. I will add that a 10 or 15 band EQ can do a lot here. De-essing and looking at a measurement curve , or just paying attention to your ears can aid. The attack speed and capability is great. I went to Klipsch because of the late-night TV articulation of the sound.. can hear a lot more than with soft domes, without turning it up loud. Music, they are fun and EQ'able and with that said, I also have a different set set up as an alternate B speakers..for longer listening or to switch to. I know your vid is about music only, but so many of us do not have the space for a second listening room, and the stereo also has to be hooked up to the rest of it.. yes the TV. Just the wayt it is in a smaller home.
I have the originals, and I really like them. The horn can be a bit sharp, but with proper placement / angle of the speakers you can adjust the sharpness a bit. I keep the speaker grills on, and I'm also the type of guy who likes to adjust EQ. Anyway, I love these speakers. The best speakers I've had so far.
EQ makes the difference, even though audio snobs take UMBRAGE to them.
@@oluhamilton2121 Yep. I'll do what I need to make the sound perfect for me. I don't care much what the snobs say. Not with an entry level €1000 system. :)
@@Republic3D l EQ my Triangle Trios AND I LOVE BEING A TWEAKO!
My Wilson Watt/Puppy’s measurements were troublesome but the sounded great and are legendary in the audiophile community 😊
Nice to see some sack Ron! I’ve heard several Klipsch models over the years, including the original 600m, and never been impressed. But to each their own right? What’s your flavor of audiophilia?
Back in 1972 i first heard a Klipsch speaker at the first Sydney Hi Fi show. After 5 minutes i had to leave the room, because i could not stand the "crash, crash, boom boom" sound.
I absolutely love these types of brutally honest reviews. I'm so tired of the praise these speakers garner, especially when I never understood all the love.
Hat tip to ya, Ron!
Thanks man!
A speaker can’t produce a sound that’s not recorded. These speakers are simply a good speaker. This guy is simply being contrary
I’m really sick of all of these so called audiophiles. Most use language they heard someone else use. This guy Ron is a snob he’s arrogant. John Darko has the best show on you tube and the audiophiliac. What each person need to understand as long as you like the sound that’s all that matters
@@Carl-bd1rf there are many examples of products that are marketed very well over time and sold a ton but are crap. Look at Beats headphones for example. Just because something sells doesn't make it a pinnacle performer. I guess a lot depends on one's budget and knowledge, but to say that only the 3 of us say so is just laughable...my hyperbole carries more credibility than your nonsensical comment. Good day and enjoy your Klipsch🙄
I won't even get into the fact that if you said the most widely available speaker on the used market is Klipsch, you'd be correct. Let me guess, you think said sellers are upgrading to go up the Klipsch line?
🤣😂
@@disgustedcustomerdoe8237 Thanks Disgusted customer Doe! We sure do appreciate your input and feedback.
Best money I ever spent was on a set of JBL LSR305. They are powered studio monitors. You need 1/4 inch or neutrick plugs. But they have one of the best sound stages and presence I ever heard let alone for the 85$ I paid for the pair at a pawn shop. These speakers are available all over the Internet. Highly recommend you check out some reviews on them.
You apply the same theory to video production, by adding extra lighting with softbox and low aperture for background blur. Humans like beauty and sometimes that means adding some fakeness to the equation, whether that be visually or audibly.
Finally an honest review of these speakers! Unfortunately, I jumped on the hype bandwagon a few years ago and bought the original 600M's. I returned them two weeks later and couldn't understand what everyone on CZcams was raving about. The good thing is I learned a valuable lesson about some reviewer's motivations and marketing hype.
It’s tough to find an honest review when all those other reviewers were compensated in some way, shape, or form. ;)
When I use that old phrase ''Cheap, tawdry affair,'' I'm talking about the 600's! And yes, I got rolled.
I, too, also got caught up in the reviewer hype and lived to regret it. I listened to them for several hours for about 2 weeks, hoping they´d get better. THEY DIDN´T! They´ve been collecting dust sitting in a corner now for over a year. I´ve gone DIY with 4 pairs of two-way speakers in the past 10 years and nothing I ever built sound as bad as the 600s.
Always a great Tip : dont trust 99% of the Hifi Reviewers and make your own decisions :- D. When everyone buy after YT Suggestions, every person would buy the LS50 and an China Topping DAC... no thank you. I pers. would never spend again money on these big Brands like Klipsch, its about quantity not quality, they spend more budget for Marketing and Video Animations than Crossover Parts & Driver
I bought them on sale and installed the GR Research kit. Much improved tonality. Not giant slayers but will work until I get myself some Spatial X4 ;)
This is why measurements matter. Measurements won't tell you whether speakers are good or bad or whether you'll like them, but they will tell you what they will sound like
With my Heresy 3’s I can only tolerate them off axis, with my ears about 1.5 feet higher than the tweeter. And on many tracks, it can be a glorious sound. But KLH 5’s are soooooo much more well rounded and refined without being boring.
I really like the KLH model 5s quite a bit.
Literally 8-9 hours left!! BH Photo Klipsch 600m ii $299.00!!! Plus free shipping for me in Michigan.
Love or hate them this is a great price
Do you think these Speakers would pair up with the Dayton HO 18”?
Wow! That’s amazing. Thank you!!!
What's the best speaker overall idea bass is not needed. I have 2 subs. I watch movies and love to listen to all music, loudly
You worked at Circuit City? I worked at Good Guys and we sold a ton of Klipsch. They were demo room champs especially when doing 20-second a/b comparisons. I think Klipsch understood this better than anyone, which has been a key to their success.
Yes I did and yup, you are correct.
So in TV terms this is like when manufacturers put their TV into vivid mode to make it as bright as possible in BestBuy because it catches consumers attention easily
They buy TV and try to watch a movie in the dark and then the flaws come out the woodwork like roaches and rats with the lights off at night 😬
I’m a huge klipsch fan and always have been. Once I got into two channel audio, I’ve changed my mind. I did a crossover upgrade on my rf7ii, and now love them for two channel. People love klipsch because if there ability to play loud and clear, and sound great with ht. With two channel audio they are pretty bad and my speakers were so out of phase you had to be in the right spot to listen to them and after 10
Or so minutes your ears were in pain, and that’s with good electronics.
I used to go and listen to speakers all the time. Now those opportunities are just not there.
I with my damaged ear canal hair folies , my upper register is flat so the fatigue is not so bad , Klipsch is a great speaker for ole folk with ear bramage
People can like what they like. The more choices and variety the better!
Best and more honest review that I have ever seen in CZcams. Ever.
Totally agree! Had the original RP-600M and they didn't work for me and the music I like to listen to, which is hard rock. That needs midrange with body and less tweeter. I'm so happy with my JBL-HDI 3600! They rock! 🤘🤘😀
"Crazy horn loving knuckleheads" is probably the best quote I have heard in audiophilia.
I have a small room for Vintage Stereo listing. I have a pair of older Polk RTi A1 and wanted a much better speaker. I did my homework, looked at all the reviews and ended listening to recommendations from Crutchfield, so I purchased a pair of ELAC Debut 2.0 B5.2, didn't carefore them. I didn't think they were much better than the older Polk RTi A1. So I sent them back and purchased the Klipsch 600M II, hoping I'll get better quality. I was going to permanently put them on a shelf, but ended up purchasing speaker stands instead, better option with the 600M II.
“If it’s what bakes you audio bread, who am I to judge..”
says while not “judging” 😝
what do you like for death/black metal? not interested in bright speakers
You’re absolutely right the SVS primes, the newer Polk Reference series, the Elac you mentioned, are all going to be more linear and clinical.
However, the reason so many of the uneducated “masses” as you say, like Klipsch (especially the more refined RP or RF series) is because they don’t sound refined or linear. Many people like that characteristic. They enjoy upper mid and treble clarity over possibly more balanced and boring. You can still design the smiley face to be more subtle, which Klipsch has done. Way better while watching movies too, for dialogue.
Give me a horn loaded speaker over a silk dome any day of the week, for example. It’s not for everyone, but many prefer it. You lose some body and nuance, also some soundstage too at times, but the newer Klipsch has done a great job at finding balance and refinement while not losing their signature sound.
Your viewers obviously are apt to agree with you. They’re your viewers.
I have no doubt whatsoever that your thoughts on 600M II are correct. I also know it's not night and day between the original 600m and the newer 600m II.
first I think they were way overpriced at $649. ( as of this moment they're priced at $419.) only a few pairs left in stock... while the older model 600M ebony black is priced at $399.
my question is considering the price drop of $200. which version would you recommend.? if any. Thanks
It's an honest review!
Great review. I think you listen without any prejudice (not sure if you're a George Michael fan though) and you seem pretty knowledgeable. What the heck is the time domain?
I just got a pair of 600mII and for the first days I got some issues about enjoying the sound. The real sweet spot for theese ones is where the tweeters dont go directly into your ears, they have to tangent your head. Sound gets really better. Eitherway, when I purchased theese, I though it would sound amazing, but it was just real good. Not amazing.
great review, as always... but in all fairness... it would have been way better if you did NOT reveal which speaker was the one we listened to on the listening test you did with the klipsch and the buchards. in that way, different bias from everyone would not have made part of picking one or other speaker..
Dang I love Klipsch but that bright sound grows old after all these years. And after this review my ears have grown fatigue from your voice too. Gesh you can talk . Best wishes sir.
After 26 yrs in the industry i believe there is a sound for everyone. I like accuracy, extension, neutrality. But even there you find differences in overall character that are sort of house sounds and that is ok. Klipsch is a bit of a wow speaker, but seems to be trying to get away from that.
I watched your (blind) comparison video with the 3 sets of speakers and I wasn't surprised when speakers 1 were revealed to be Klipsch. I never liked the sound of these speakers sighted and listening blind didn't fool me into liking them more. Maybe if I listen deaf instead of blind, I suppose I could put up with them. Listening fatigue just isn't a choice I am afforded to make. A lot of people claim that it hurts your ears, but I would argue that it hurts your brain, because it's working overtime trying to make sense of the unnatural sounds.
Thanks for the explanation of the midrange. You saved me time and money. The kids gotta be right or I’m out. Oh, and you’re not being a “meany pants.” 🙃
I still look at Klipsch as a HT speaker. I have a pair of their RP-51M's. They sound very good, in my garage. Lots of bass for such a small package, which is nice, but still muddy sounding? I don't know how to describe it, lack of midrange is noticeable. I would imagine not much different than the 600.
looks like you need a better soundproofing for your garage. maybe it will help with your muddy sounding. as it was clear with me
If I wanna be screamed at I'll purposely drop some mayonnaise on the floor in front of my sister and just walk away.
I think Klipsch made great product voor marketing to a special group but not for sound quality. I listened to your soundclips on my stereo system in comparison to other speakers soundclips and their flaws are apparent in the midrange and bass. Female voices sound screamy also. Soundclips on you tube are not completely without flaws, but you make excellent ones with special equipment and the power to spot differences is in the simultaneous comparison that make alle speakers equal. I think the Klipsch are good for (live) rock music but not for other genres. You are the only reviewer I know of that also gives “bad” reviews. We don’t have to agree but you explain the characteristics with speakers and can demonstrate it with soundclips. Compliments for that! Other reviewers follow more the line “ all speakers are good but different and it depends on your taste” I think they are afraid of not getting demosamples from the manufacturer anymore.I have nothing against Klipsch, I also find the kef meta overhyped, they have good qualities but you need a subwoofer due to the lack of bass.
At their current price point, I think people expect a little more. Seems the ELACs, KEF Q series, even the Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 (which are in my den) offer a more "musical" experience. I know many love the RP-600M and will no doubt love this model. Maybe paring it with a rolled off tube amp might help. I'm curious though, since I'm searching for my "end game" speaker in the $2K to $5K per pair range for a modest sized living room (13' X 25' x 8') and have been considering Klipsch Forte IV...Are THEY a far better speaker? Or do they suffer from the Klipsch "house sound" as you describe? Thanks.
Funny, I remember going to Circuit City and Best Buy back in the day, and what you say is soooooo TRUE. The "exciting" speakers were the ones neophytes gravitated to, me included. Then we wondered why over time, we listened less and less to them.
I do agree that for the price you can do better. But they will certainly go on sale for much less and that's hard to beat. The kef q series is very clear but lacks any bass whatsoever. The elac requires an audiophile grade amp to drive them otherwise I don't hear anything at volumes bellow 55db. The wharfdhale sounded so muddy and flat that I sent it back the same day I got it. So the klipsh has it's place in the market, not to mention it's better for home theater application than almost better than rest of the models you had listed.
@@zareff I could see it for home theater where you'll only be listening for 90 to 120 minutes, so yeah, a "bright" strident sounding top end might be "exciting", but not for critical music listening. Like I said, maybe pairing it with a "warm" tube amp is the key to getting some audiophile qualities from it. But you're not going to tame that one note fart bass with any amp. You either simply learn to live with it and accept it or you move on to something else. I love my little Wharfedale 12.2 just fine. Their tweeter doesn't hurt my ears.
I do want to audition the Klipsch Forte IV sometime...put it up against say Monitor Audio's Silver 500 7G, Polk R700, and a few others that Audio Advice in Charlotte have in their showrooms for listening. Figure the Forte IV has to be far more refined and better than the RP-600M II, but then for the price it ought to be.
The good thing about going to Audio Advice is that the speakers are already broken in, so the sound should be pretty close to how they "really" sound.
@@zareff indeed though, if they periodically go on sale for around $500 to $600, many will take a look at them after all the other mostly favorable reviews.
I love bad reviews 👍👍😆
keep it up
One thing I’ve noticed is Klipsch speakers tend to sound better (to me) with a lot of power even though they’re highly sensitive. Like crown amplifiers, for example
I would like to see some measurements. Because the ones I saw it was pretty flat
Ron please review q concept 50 deeply .
i got these to compare with my existing polk es-20s. i was expecting the klipsch to be an easy victor and sell my polks. i was wrong at least with my ears. i got the same impression as NRDs description. my polks actually had a fuller meaty-er midrange that blended with the its soft dome tweeter in a more cohesive way.. the polks sounded more natural overall. the klipsch were better at extremely loud volumes....they held together better there but that's rare listening for me.
Love the honesty here as well, Ron. More power to the people who like the Klipsch sound but it's not for me which I think sounds like pro audio PA systems.