What Classical Conversations Got Wrong
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- Jon talks about a post made on Classical Conversations social media accounts framing support for Juneteenth as an ongoing revolution for greater levels of equality. He then discusses the different reasons conservatives object to Juneteenth as a national holiday and contrasts this celebration with other holidays such as the Fourth of July.
#july4th #juneteenth #classicalconversations
00:00 Introduction
02:58 Equipping the Persecuted
04:26 Classical Conversation's Post
08:34 Why Not Juneteenth?
23:43 The 4th of July
25:33 Final Thoughts - Zábava
The realization that we have these negative holidays is so eye opening.
As a homeschool mom myself: women cannot be trusted alone with this. Husbands and fathers need to be involved.
Amen 🙏🏼
"Truly free" in light of our secular worldview terrifies me.
Hello Jon. I am a member of the Classical Conversations community that used to meet at your church (we moved to another church this past year). Thank you so much for sharing this. I had no idea about this Facebook post, nor did anyone else that I know of in my community. We are appalled. I'm also really shocked and disgusted to see how many CC members liked the post. I plan on emailing the president of CC and sharing your video with him. I believe he will be very concerned. I listen to his podcast regularly and he is openly anti-woke. My community also had the opportunity to meet the founder, Leigh Bortins, last month and she seems patriotic, conservative, and anti-woke as well. Again, thank you for bringing this to the public eye. It needed to be done.
Agree! Fellow CC member
That's why john's channel is so important to get this information out
Our family was a part of CC from K-5 through Challenge 1 (9th grade). The curriculum itself is pretty good. With the right leaders to frame discussions around truth it can be a great program. However, the curriculum is broad enough that with the wrong leaders, it all becomes left leaning. So I would say don’t be afraid of CC. But choose your group wisely and ensure that it is filled with like minded, truth conscious people. We did leave to use the Omnibus curriculum which gives us a more in depth study of the Western tradition.
Thanks for the input. We are doing foundations this year for the first time. Seems like a good community, so I'm hopeful.
@@smithmusicstudies we loved it until the challenge years. Then the class becomes very discussion oriented. If you have a left leaning tutor and/students, those conversations are not framed in truth. That was a reason we left. I lead a small group currently that uses the Omnibus curriculum and we love that our families are all like minded!
@@lindsay.coggin I've heard from a few people they loved it for foundations, but not the latter years. My kids are all foundations age and quite frankly, I'm better teaching older children than younger. I mainly joined because I could use some help in engaging younger kids. I also like the classical model. It sounds like the quality is very community dependant.
@@smithmusicstudies you nailed it! The guides/curriculum for upper levels are good. But the success of those years is extremely tutor and community dependent. If you can tutor the upper level and lead the class how you want it could be great. We have a couple of very conservative groups here but also several squishy and left leaning groups. Good luck! Enjoy the foundations years. We still sing our songs! They come in handy!
@@smithmusicstudies good luck! The memory work is fantastic. My kids are HS and we still sing our songs. I’m teaching grammar to some younger kids and I’m always singing the parts of speech songs I made up. Haha.
I've been leery of CC and this just makes me want to make my kids read a book. No co-ops.
Dont be too hesitant about coops. Not all co-ops are CC. I've always been suspect of CC as well.
Our coop js super Biblically based and very strict standards against any of this sneaking in. Hopefully, you could find one like ours too 🙏🏻
I'm feeling like it's a forced holiday, pushes an ideology more than a historical celebration.
….forced holiday lol? Do you guys even listen to yourselves? What’s the problem with that?!
44 days off for federal workers.
I had to work on Juneteenth, but I missed my mail that day.
What are these 44 days? I'm a federal worker and I'm not sure where this number comes from. I only count 10 federal holidays.
@@mrleemrleeohmrleeyup. Only 10
Banks were closed, state buildings open, post office closed...
@@mrleemrleeohmrlee the 44 days are a combination of the average number of vacation days, sicks days and holidays available to a federal employee.
I shared American Monuments for a debate we do in Challenge 2. ❤ Its great for our art studies.
Wow! We are in CC since age 4 😢. My oldest just graduated. You are right Jon, we should be able to see through!
Considering Jason Whitlock enjoyed Larkin Rose's "Jones Plantation" and is critical of Martin Luther King, he might be interested in the 1607 project. A lot of people are knocking down the final idol, Lincoln.
I had been searching for a new homeschool curriculum after canceling time 4 learning. CC will definitely not replace it.
The CC curriculum is solid and patriotic, though I can understand your caution. This post does not match anything expressed by the founder, Leigh Bortins, or her son and current president, Robert Bortins, who is as anti-woke as they get. I am emailing them about this today for an explanation. I am outraged by it and so are the others in my CC community. It is a complete contradiction to what is taught in CC.
@@piscesrenewed479good on you for messaging them. Hopefully it will help. My reaction to something like this is that if a post like this somehow made it out, even if it was just one employee, how did that person get hired and stay employed? How many more are there? When something this ridiculous rises to the surface, the rot is always much deeper. Even if they respond in the right way, unless there is essentially an internal inquisition to purge the org of the people who have leftist/regime views, the direction of CC remains unchanged.
@@piscesrenewed479 Hopefully it’s just a rogue intern or social media manager. Executives really need to keep an eye on their company’s public facing presence to make sure it always in line with their values.
@@ericthehalfmexican9187 That is my prayer. And I completely agree: as hard as it may be and no matter how big their companies get, executives really do need to watch that stuff. Those are the little doses of rat poison that can bring a quality organization down. I hope that does not happen with CC. I really do love their curriculum and community model and would hate to have to move on to something else.
I used to not care about Juneteenth, one way or the other. Neither fer nor agin.
Then this year, Facebook showed me dozens of different T-shirt designs, all with this slogan: “Free - _ish_ since 1865”
And when I Googled that phrase, I found this:
"But Juneteenth is not just a day of celebration and education. It’s also a day of agitation. It is a day of recommitting ourselves to the ongoing Black freedom struggle. We know that *while slavery was legally abolished in 1865, it was never fully eradicated.* Sadiya Hartman argues that we are dealing with the afterlife of slavery. Slavery takes on new forms and permutations. White supremacy, anti-blackness, state-sponsored and vigilante violence, captivity, and Black death still plague us day in and day out. While we celebrate freedom on Juneteenth, we know that Juneteenth reminds us that *for Black Americans, full freedom has always been denied, delayed, or diluted.* That’s why we have Juneteenth shirts that say “Free-ish” since 1865. *We’ve never been fully free,* just free-ish, but every day, we’re fighting to get free-er and free-er."
~ Michael Brandon McCormack, “Free-ish Since 1865: The Meaning of Juneteenth”
Insightful. Truth is we are a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. I’ll take my slavery in Christ:). God bless
As a Texan, let me help with the geography. During the 1860s the majority of the population were in East Texas, that's where the plantations were. Ports were obviously important so the rest of the population was along the Gulf (hence the day the news arrived to Galveston Bay).
Central Texas scarcely settled due to it recently being Comanche territory. West Texas was still very Indian.
Right, but I’m talking about in 1980.
My work week begins on Sunday evening and ends on Thursday evening. This year, the company removed Easter Sunday from our holiday list and added Juneteenth. Aside from the obvious hit against a Christian holiday, it also means we now have no Spring holidays. We have no days off from New Year's Day until Memorial Day. Five full months. And then, we have Juneteenth and Independence Day right on the heels of Memorial Day. Stupid. All in the name of D E I.
I’m sorry that CC is going to be known for this post alone by many. My son just graduated this year. We used CC as our curriculum for 8 years. It was an amazing experience for us in many ways. They teach critical thinking. Kids read books and discuss and in our classes there truly was diversity of thought expressed and the kids were encouraged to research and debate. The curriculum is heavy on debate and I was constantly amazed at the students, including my son, and their ability to reason through a topic. I have been so blessed to be present in class and to continue those discussions at home. I am very thankful for this curriculum.
Happy Independence Day 🇺🇸 💥
I wish more parents would spend time discussing these things with their kids. Sitting at the dinner table and listening to each other would make stronger kids who can discern what is happening and not just learning by TikTok videos.
I’m a life long Texan and I never heard of juneteen until recent times.
Create your own co-op!
I really wanted to like cc but something seemed off to me. We joined a co op and on orientation day a mom whose kids were my kids age was wearing a shirt that said "just a mom raising little marxists." Then i decided that it wasnt wasnt the group for me. Thankfully we found a different classical christian co op. Praise God!
Well, that was nice of her to clearly display her insane ideology. Saved you some trouble.
Thapnk you, always common sense with gidliness, may God continue to bless you
Learn to spell please.
Thanks Jon. We'll said.
The rainbow rot has come for CC, but I'm certain it hasn't seeped all the way in. Older editions of the curricula should be fine to use.
Juneteenth isn't in the curriculum. CC isn't truly a curriculum really. They use other text and living books. Their curriculum is really piecing together the year in a guide.
I read through my sons' History and Geography LifePac curriculum from Alpha and Omega and it has post-war consensus written all over it.
Oh dear. I just bought that curriculum for 5th grade.
Four years in and people still haven't heard of it. People were surprised when a court case I was following had a holiday that day and they asked what holiday it was. These are intelligent and patriotic Americans.
Thanks brother for your discernment ministry!
Absolutely --and you're too kind. Rabid black nationalism is being rewarded as though it's the most natural thing in the world.
What black nationalism?
Thank you for this
Keep fighting the good fight!
33:00 'gas lighting' that goes back to the early 1800's. Unlike then, it is more arguable today that they know the game their playing.
"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education." -Bastiat
truly free- you mean everyone got saved?
That was my first thought. I thought that was the angle Jon was going to take, but I also appreciate the things he explained.
I didn't realize CC had this bent. What a disappointment!
I would not say that the curriculum does. In fact, many of books in the Challenge years do talk about what a great nation we are.
The curriculum doesn’t. But the people involved could lean left. I’m surprised because Robert Bortins is anti all left things. So use CC, but find a group of like minded people to do it with.
This is a timely post.
I work for a classical Christian school, and I have been using CC history cards as the backbone for my history curriculum. Last year (Age of Exploration to 1850s), I felt it was a pretty good guide. This year (Abe Lincoln to present), I'm finding some problems. The U.N. is presented as a good thing. There is no mention of Tinnennamen Square, Woodstock, the Jesus People movement, Francis Schaefer, Raegan, the Contras War, feminism, or Roe v. Wade. I'm having to think through modern history and add stuff. Particularly the way the U.N. and the E.U. are presented do not inspire my trust.
Well said. It's like we now have two different CIVIC religions. There is this idea that Kamala threw out in her recent campaign ad that's supposed to be cute and black: "WE NOT LIKE THEM."
That's an ugly sentiment for a Vice President to try to make into something proud and loud. It's hate, claiming righteousness by demanding shame & blame on the other skin color. It's at best a highly questionable push that never stops. (Not to mention, Kamala has white skin.)
I've been happy to see-or imagine-a lack of enthusiasm for the holiday among blacks I know. On some level they must know its tainted. Healthy people know the present leftist movements play to the negative side of human nature, but many are falling in with these attitudes and mental habits of self-righteous pride any way; the temptation is strong.
Well said. The pushing a “black national anthem” on people echoes this same agenda.
My family went to church on Thanksgiving when I was a kid.
I remember seeing this from so called Republicans and they were posting happy Juneteenth memes on X . Just really off.
One of my biggest complaints about the Left is that they never know when to stop. The lines are constantly moving. What they fight for now is the ability to fight for something far worse later.
In Mechanicsburg, PA, they have a Juneteenth street celebration every year for years. Main Street is closed and there are venders set up selling food and crafts and activities. I don’t know what this holiday designated for.
Freedom for all except the unborn babies 😢
In our area banks/schools r open on Columbus day yet all closed on Juneteenth. Need I say more?
I have been in Nebraska for a decade and it was the first time I heard of Juneteenth when we moved here. I have since heard testimonies of its celebration in several other states. What the federal government wants to define it as is mostly irrelevant to its history. I get the same sideways looks for celebrating Mardi Gras with my cajun wife.
Juneteenth is a Texas thing, and everybody knows Juneteenth ment somebody was going to shot in a riot during a Juneteenth celebration.
I live in Texas and nobody celebrates this where I live.
That happened in Austin, TX this year!
@@engelberthumberdinkel5162lived here 38 years and never heard of this fake holiday until now.
It was celebrated when I was a kid/teen during the 80-90’s in Austin, TX.
@@nykka3 The rest of Texas does not acknowledge Austin as part of Texas.
Its not part of CC curriculum- Juneteenth
"steps we continue to take toward freedom for all"
if was hearing this blindly I would think that it was someone whose next sentence will talk about how sadly "marginalized" are the rainbow battalion folks.
Black History Month exists, but only liberal Blacks were presented at grandson’s middle school. Moody Radio does Black Christians for that month and it is interesting to learn.
As an American who happens to be black and a redeemed rescued ransomed sin forgiven and grace called to proclaim The True Gospel of Jesus The Messiah/Christ
Division has always been marketed promoted as right when wrong as good when bad or uniting when its aim is to divide
Let us who claim allegiance to His/Jesus’ Name be more Biblical than anything else
Can someone please tell me how to find the 16 0 7 project that John Harris talks about all the time? Because isn't there more than one with the same name? I don't wanna watch any other one, but the 1 that John Harris talks about. So if someone could, please help me, thanks
Federal workers only have 11 paid holidays 31:05
Federal employees typically receive pay for 11 federal holidays, 13 sick days and 20 vacation days per year.
Subversive holiday next in order
Technically the Declaration was voted on the 2nd of July and it's news was distributed to the newly formed states on the 4th, was mostly signed on the 2nd of August and completed in 1781 😂
But it is interesting how many days of remembrance we have that seem to follow this pattern.
I just saw my son's high school in VA has been renamed io Unity Reed...he graduated years ago but now his school doesn't exist
Man, the ignorance about Juneteenth is incredible. It is a true celebration of the victory of The Union. Also, it has been a Texas holiday for a long time and everyone celebrates them.
Thanksgiving is all about football games!
Classical conversations is not classical education. It is neo classical- the ages and stages have no basis in science or based it reality. It was literally made up by someone who had their degree in marketing. I still think it’s a good curriculum, (though the mlm like tactics are annoying) but anyone who has read more than a smattering of old books by Charlotte Mason contemporaries would know that it’s not classical.
What’s Kwanza? Another divider
Celebrating for the umpteenth time how terrible the nation is.
Man don't think too much about the history of Columbus Day
Columbus is a great man. The colonizer rhetoric has really done a number on him, but the war criminal they write about is a fiction from a few letters about him.
So many of these weak Left holidays are on the calendar now that it looks a lot like National Hot Dog Day or National Cycling Day.
We do not use classical conversatiins.