The Difference Between 3/4 and 6/8 Time Signatures - Music Theory
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- What is the difference between 3/4 and 6/8 time signatures? Mathematically it appears that 3/4 and 6/8 are two versions of the same thing. On the face of it, there may appear to be little difference between music in 3/4 time or music in 6/8 time. Musically they are quite distinct, 3/4 being a Simple Triple time and 6/8 being a Compound Duple time. In this music theory lesson the detail of this is unpacked and examples played that demonstrate the essential differences. It is important for players and composers alike to grasp this topic in order to avoid confusing the two. By the end of this music theory lesson you will hear a distinct difference and it will help you to communicate the distinction between the two time signatures in the music you perform.
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0:00 - Introduction to the difference between 3/4 and 6/8 time signatures
0:35 - The theory behind time signatures
6:48 - How can you tell the difference?
11:29 - Conclusion
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The basic difference to me as a percussionist is each meter creates the basic stress points of the eighth notes. In 3/4 it's 3 duples, 1+2+3+. In 6/8 it's 2 triples 123,456. Beats 1 and 4 being the strong beats. In manys cases the 2 meters are interchangeable depending on how you accent the rhythm.
Composers generally pick one or the other depending on basic stress points they want to hear rhythmically in any given phrase. In a lot of Latin American orchestral music you'll often see the meter switch back and forth between 3/4 & 6/8 depending upon when the composer wants to hear duples or triples, while the eighth note tempo remains the same.
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I have known for years that there is a difference between 3/4 and 6/8, but you have done a great job of explaining why. My favorite rhythms on the piano are 9/8 and 12/8. They have such a wonderful “swing” to them, with the various sets of triplets involved. Thank you!
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Nice explanation. I play Irish music, so the best way we distinguish, especially for those whose don't read music well, is to say that 3/4 is basically a waltz time, while 6/8 is essentially a jig time. The key is, as you finally got around to saying, the number of beats in the bar. The waltz is a 3-beat bar, while the jig is a 2-beat bar.
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@@MusicMattersGB If you have two dotted quarters in a 3/4 measure, how is that different than two quarters in a 2/4 measure, since tempos can vary within time signatures? Both situations would be two equal length notes per measure.
That could be possible if you matched up the tempo…
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Thankyou for this clear explanation of the nuance differences between these two time signatures. I have played the bass for years and this has helped my understanding enormously. Thanks!
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I think it really can help to set things out like this on a whiteboard and to then go through examples as you show in this video is a very effective way of making things clearer.
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Thanks for making this. I've been struggling with time signatures and you've made something click in my head. Your delivery is great too.
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The Bob Lowden arrangement written in 6/8, with a bass part playing 3/4 time, horn parts shifting between phrases with a 3/4 feel and phrases with a 6/8 feel.
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Well explained! Thank you! I always wondered how the difference was constructed.
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I was just having a similar discussion with a composition student. Even though he plays the drums, he really didn’t understand meter as a function of rhythm. It has been my experience that many performing musicians don’t fully understand this concept, and as a result, don’t always play with an accurate feel. Composers need to understand this so their pieces accurately reflect the rhythmic expression they wish to convey. Thank you for a concise explanation of this important musical concept.
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A very nice explanation of the difference between 3/4 and 6/8. I always thought of 6/8 as a version of 2/4 (for marches) with triplets built in.
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Yes, I see 12/8 as 4 'swung' triplets.
It’s certainly a way of accessing 12/8.
Correct, 6/8 traditionally is a Marching Rhythm and has a triplet feel like an old English Sea Shanty.
Well this was very diffent? On a more serious note thank the Lord someone has taken the time to explain this. I have a drummer friend who said he didn't like taking a solo in 3. I said to him: don't think of it as 3 but feel it as 6. . . . . . And now you have just corrected diffence . . . . . . as I'm watching. Great explanation thank you so much x
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Been trying to wrap my head around 6/8 for years - without much success. Finally, the explanation I was looking for all this time. Thank you!
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6/8 traditionally is a Marching Rhythm and has a triplet feel like an old English Sea Shanty.
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Brilliant explanation. Thank you!
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Very well described. Thank you!!
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Really well explained, thank you!
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Thanks for reminding me of what I forgot . I played clarinet jr and high school, and I loved it. I also understand why I also had so many headaches then as well.😁
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Finally I’ve begun to understand this! Thank you so much
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Great explanation. Thankyou!
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It's IMportant to place the emPHASis on the correct sylLABle (as well as the correct beat). Thank you so much for explaining one of the great mysteries of music composition. I'm a novice and this is the first really good explanation I've heard. Thanks again!
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As a drummer, I have always loved 6/8 time. For me, 6/8 is a "half-time feel". I enjoy playing halftime feels because as the name implies the rhythm feels like it is playing at half the speed of the "normal" rhythm. For example in 3/4 I will place the bass drum on beat 1 and will either play the snare on 2 and 3 or just 3. When I play in 6/8 I play the bass drum on beat 1 and move the snare to beat 4 (which in 3/4 would be the + of 2) which "elongates" the groove and makes it feel more relaxed. Anyway, that is how I see it. Thanks!
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Thank you! I knew the difference between the two different time signatures that almost sounds similar to each other.
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Merci beaucoup pour votre travail de qualité ! Vous êtes un excellent enseignant, merci beaucoup !
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Excellent! It finally makes sense. Thank you!
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Thank you. Very clear and helpful
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Great explanation, thank you so much
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Wonderfully explained, same with your 2/4, 4/4 video. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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Thanks a lot for your kind lesson!
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I learned reading music year by year in grade school through to high school music and band classes and must be known to get into school marching bands or bands or orchestra settings or such as military bands and music groups with instruments and vocals.
I was taught that 6/8 was called and considered as being "WALTZ TIME" !!! Thanks for this video sir, it is most appreciated !!! 👍😎🎸🤘👏☺️🎼🇺🇸🙏 DDH 8-22-2023.
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I wonder if feeling the difference between 3/4 and 6/8 is better done with a dance step. Also in some ear training patterns it sure seems like sometimes 6/8 feeling can be confused with 4/4 feeling (but the same pattern is definitely not 3/4). From the exam rhythm practice, it is possible to say "that is definitely not 3/4 but ambiguous between 4/4 and 6/8, not sure".
I jotted down in my rhythm training (conducting) book that 6/8 is rarely yet sometimes done as 2+2+2 but don't have specific score examples written down. Recently I have seen percussion scores (South American rhythms) which are notated with both (!) "3/4 6/8" at the start, I think it is because it indicates the kick drum voice to be 6/8 and the sidestick-snare voice to be in 3/4, but notated together on the same staff. It is strange and have not seen this in any textbook.
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It gets even more confusing when you get into flamenco, where the individual bars have different accents and phrases begin not necessarily on the first beat of the bar.
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In the pieces that I've performed in my choir, the occurrences of 6/8 as 2+2+2 usually only lasted a measure or two to provide a little rhythmic tension to the rest of the piece. But I honestly can't remember if that was more indicitive of a specific composer or time period (baroque, romantic, classical, etc).
It could happen in any period that there are touches of 2,2,2 in 6/8. It’s known as hemiola.
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As a beat producer, I've written music pieces in 6/8, that had a very interesting feel to them. The songs felt like they where slower than their actual tempo. I'd write a song in 6/8 at 120bpm, but it sounded like it could pass as a 4/4 song at 90bpm with a bit of swing thrown in the beat. Watching this video on 3/4 vs 6/8 really helped me understand the feel of the time signatures better. Thank you very much! 😁
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So beautifully explained !
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Absolutely brilliant !
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As an ex band member guitarist in a rock band, we covered a few track from Status Quo, which many criticise as being "dead easy" to play. I always challenge them to play the intro of "Whatever You Want", which is of course played in 6/8 timing. But with just the lead guitarist, with no drum track, it is not always obvious, and catches out many who try to play it for the first time.
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Very well explained. Thanks
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A great composer and music teacher of mine often said that our notation system was an imperfect solution with no better system available, meant to be a musical guide as to what notes to play and when. But all of the subtle musical nuance is impossible to notate (exact note start and stops, exact dynamics, pushing and delaying the notes for feeling, etc etc...). The notes are meant to help us recreate the composition over time, as a document meant to preserve the composer's notes. Here lies the world of musical performance teaching and the various interpretations that it requires. Though certain interpretations of the great classical works have become accepted, there is always room for new ways of playing these notes and rhythms and many teachers ready to teach them over their lifetimes! The beauty of notating our musical ideas is that it forces us to make choices as composers, and performers of our own compositions. By writing our ideas down on paper we are making a physical choice that this is our preferred note here which may seem simple but in fact and creates a lot of self discovery. See, often when we play our musical unwritten ideas, they go by quickly without concern. But when we write them down we take responsibility for those notes on paper and we have to say, yea, that is my preferred note choice here. It becomes something of a model composition for what we may have only improvised in different ways until this notation step. As a composer you are saying, I like this way as my standard arrangement, and now you might improvise on it or play variations but you always have authorship of this exact composition for future musicians to reference, interpret, and play.
Absolutely
Great explanation, thank you!
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Hi Gareth, i wonder if it would help understanding if you did a short video specifically on simple vs compound time, explaining where thise terms come from. I'm not sure about the origins of thoe terms -and I would appreciate knowing. In my mind simple time is where you can count the "ands" of each beat (1 + 2 + 3 + in 3 /4 time), and compound time is a three part beat (1 + a 2+ a in 6/8). Incidentally what term applies to tie signatures such as 5/8 or 7/4?
Hi. Yes. The whole picture is explained in our Theory course videos. 5/8 and 7/4 are examples of irregular time signatures.
godamn.. I finally get it. that might have been the most concise explanation of the most confusing part (at least to me) about time signatures I have ever watched. Your a gentleman and scholar good sir, thanks. Might not have to say it but I’m not being sarcastic. I’m just really that happy i stumbled onto this.
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HALLELUYA!! After 45 years, I FINALLY understand and "get it"! i went to boarding school with a 1st class music department, and was always very musical, but despite spending 4 years studying music theory, i got none of it in truth, and this has quite literally haunted me ever since, as i want to be able to make sense of it all, as my type of music is very complex, and it would help me to understand more. Anyway - `many thanks for clearing that up, and i will now rummage through your other materials!
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Awesome job! If you can make more videos on meters like this but composite meters added and tuplets, I would be eternally grateful!
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Very much useful 👍👍👍 thank you so much for this video
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thank you for the great Tutorial
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Thank you. This is the first time this has ever made any sense to me.
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Absolutely brilliant.
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This information is very clearly presented and all musicians and especially songwriters should know this! I always approached it this way, but I couldn’t articulate it like this. As a professional drummer, the wacky thing is when someone writes a chart or score that should be in 6/8 but they write it in 3/4….and vice versa! It’s crazy and the counting is whacked!
Absolutely
Thank you so much for this tutorial 😊
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Very good explanation. Thank You
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Thank you for this simple explanation. It's a pleasure to watch your performances here online.
Did you know that the classic 3/4 beat in a waltz is incorrect? Because the real Viennese waltz does not go 1,2,3 1,2,3 etc. The real Viennese waltz goes 1,2, and perhaps at some time 3.
That's very important and most conductors don't know that. But Strauss composed the waltz for the Schrammeln, that was the name of his band, always with that break between the second and the third quarter.
You’re absolutely correct to point out the displacement of beat 3 that separates the Viennese waltz style from other waltzes. Thanks for your kind comments.
Wonderful. I learnt piano as a young person. Having retired from being a doctor, I am back. You are an excellent revision for me. Thanks
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@@MusicMattersGB I dont live in the UK. I appeared for the penultimate LTCL exam long ago!
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Really easy to understand. Thanks
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wow thank you so much for new understanding for free.subscribed already.Godbless
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A pleasure
Thank you Sir 🎉
For nice explanation of Simple time and Compound time.
In Indian music we are also using 5/8 & 7/8.
Thank you for detailed simple English speech 🙂👌🤝😊
A pleasure. 5/8 and 7/8 also appear in Western music.
Thank you- this is really helpful for a beautiful 12/8 Handel aria I'm learning (Alma mia)
Excellent. Enjoy the Aria.
Very well explained.
That’s most kind
I think the better question is what's the difference between a bar in 6/8 and two bars at double the tempo in 3/4, since there are many waltzes written in both ways.
The answer of course is about the emphasis of metre ie 1 strong beat in 3/4 or 1 strong beat followed by 1 weaker beat in 6/8.
@@MusicMattersGB Thanks!
Beautifully explained
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Thanks for fixing the typo at 9:55. It was hugely distracting the whole time. Great lesson though - really enjoyed it.
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A brilliant introduction. Now let's do the hemiola, like in Bernstein's 'America', where he switches between thee twos and two threes.
We have a video explaining hemiola.
Thank you kindly
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Simple explained and important topic, thank you. Great British accent too 😀
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So pleased you corrected that spelling..
Great job.
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