What's the next great football tactic? | The Tifo Football Show | Episode 3
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Welcome to The Tifo Football Show - the show that answers your questions about football.
Host Joe Devine is joined by JJ Bull and Alex Stewart, The Athletic’s Mark Carey and Dan Sheldon to answer such questions as “what will be the next big football tactic?”, “who is the next Erling Haaland?”, and “tell me something about Southampton”.
If you have a footballing question you want to be answered, tell us in the comments section.
0:00 Intro
0:56 What is the next big football tactic?
3:47 10 quick questions about Southampton
5:46 Is Karim Adeyemi the next Erling Haaland?
8:40 Which team would benefit from Bielsa as manager?
15:12 If you were a skeleton for a day, what would you do?
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Tifo loves football. We create In-depth tactical, historical and geopolitical breakdowns of the beautiful game.
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I remember when Tifo first got off the ground and it was SUPER SERIOUS and VERY INFORMATIVE, I have loved the slow degredation into this silliness while still being the best hub of football knowledge on the internet.
I mean, i could see IRL was made first to create new way to enjoy their content with "tifo but you could se us who present the video" but i think it must be joe personality and guys not trained profesionally in front of camera naturally makes them into unhinghed comedy show revolves around football XD
umaxit football
tbf Tifo is still like that, that's why they have Tifo IRL
yes man me to. They can be serious when they need to, but funny as well. Great combo!
This is the 2nd channel, the irl one
I remember sensible football transfers and how serious it was. I imagined some data scientists crunching numbers to give an academic answer. It had its place but this new format is just so much more engaging on regular basis. The tifo content is what's needed on a Monday morning
This three dudes are becoming the "top gear" of football, I wil listen to them no matter the topic. Keep up boys!!! Love from Portugal.
Hahaha, such a good comparison. Joe is definitely Clarkson, JJ is definitely Hammond, Alex and Seb rotate as James May.
@@vladivanovic1234 😂😂😂 true I love it how Alex is always serious like James may.
Que comparação espetacular 🤣🤣 Podia haver um canal destes em português, quem me dera ter aquele gráfico 👌
Too perfect a description
Only Pythagoras in boots podcast comes close imo.
Watching TIFO feels like the creative side of a brain and the analytical side literally fighting each other for supremacy.
But the only winner, is the audience 😂
Not sure why, but watching this feels like watching a football version of Jay Foreman's Map Men.
Don't believe the hype: there isn't a left brain and right brain in that sense. Just real juicy moist brains and smooth chalky hard brains.
Tifo IRL is the best example of "chaotic neutral".
I absolutely adore the shot of the Spinnaker Tower for the quick 10 Southampton questions, top tier trolling.
Never spotted that 😂
If Doctor Mark Carey hadn't been introduced with a song, I'd have been deeply disappointed. Alas, JJ never disappoints!
Question: Is it true that when a newly promoted side from the championship buys new shiny players to compete in the Premier League it makes their chances more slim of staying up because it brings imbalance to the team?
Bring imbalance into the force
I mean that can (and probably often does) happen but there's no reason it necessarily has to. The bigger issue imo might be if you bring in a lot of new guys it takes time for them to gel and learn the systems and you may end up dropping points early on in the season where, if everyone were fully bedded in, you might have a shot at winning or drawing.
Arguably there are situations where that can't be avoided if the quality of players is low enough that you have no chance of staying up without the new guys.
I guess the ideal situation is if you do as much of this recruitment as you can before you get promoted, but you need to be really sure you're going to make it otherwise you've taken on salary you probably can't afford.
@@DavidChong Yeah, I guess if you bring in players who have already played in a similar system it's less of a risk
@@DavidChong good points. Do you think that this applied to Sheffield United in their first season after promotion?
I don't recall them making many new signings and they overachieved using an uncommon system.
But.... but... Norwich City.
Question: what is stopping Dortmund from abandoning their current model of player development and selling them and instead trying to keep their stars as to challenge bayern on a more regular basis? Cos they have had, currently have and for sure will have so much potential as a club were they to keep most of their stars.
club was almost bankrupt in 2006, they wanna make sure it never happens again so they stash their cash all these years, but they will start keeping players soon. Especially with Kehl as new sporting director, he just got best Bayerns defender for free and will prolly get the best CB in BL this season-Schlotterbeck too and this is just beginning
They need to sell to keep revenue high enough to be able to afford the squad's wages. Selling is a critical source of income without which the club could not prosper as it continues to do.
Two words. Bayern Munich
as players get more stardom and status, they will demand more and more wages. Keeping too many of such players will break dortmund's wage structure
Players keep wanting to leave! And if you don’t sell they can eventually leave for free like Lewandowski did
Question for tifo: is there a concrete way to know how actually good a player was from before the 1980's such as Best, Pele and all that, and compare them to modern footballers, considering tactics may have been less developed back then or worse defenders so on since not alot of recordings of footballers from back then were taken?
There is a stat for this in Baseball called WRC+ for position players and WRS+ for pitchers and catchers. It won’t exist in football because the stats required for such a stat just were not recorded back then. So it’s down to conjecture if players such as Kevin Keegan and the like are compared to a Ronaldo or Salah per se
Ronaldo is the GOAT.
No. You have been answered.
Also different equipment (balls, boots, bobbly pitches) and rules (pass back, offside, substitutions)
Question: if Pep were to eventually leave Man City, what sort of drop off would be seen depending on linked managers?
QUESTION; Can you talk about how Sheffield United's use of overlapping centre backs in the 19/20 season have served as direct influence for Thomas Tuchel's defensive and offensive tactical organisation of Chelsea and pretend that Chelsea are fine and everything is going to be O.K and we're going to be fine and every is great and nothing is wrong?
Question: If Joe Devine played for the England squad like he did for Bayern Munich, would the fame go to his head in such a degree that in 20 odd years, there would be a low-budget documentary about the fall of Joe Devine?
Question: How do teams assess the personality of a player? We've often heard about "personality checks" being done by clubs but how exactly does that happen when a team signs new players?
Yeah I hear that klopp is pretty big on this.
He seems to only accept good eggs in his team.
If I had to guess, mourinho would be the opposite, since he’s always so keen for his players to be c*nts on the football pitch
I guess it would be like that scene in David Fincher's The Game, where Mike Douglas is asked all sorts of seemingly random questions designed to find out what his fears are, how he might react under pressure etc.
I love the way Joe embraces the awkward silences, he thrives in them, he (seemingly) exists for them.
Question for the TIFO football show: Over the past twenty years, we have seen the dominance of Messi and Ronaldo as the two best players in the world (with Modric being the only exception for the Ballon d’or). However before either player there was Kaka, where does he rank when looking at modern football’s greatest players?
P.S: I love you
Kaka on PES2008 was OP as HECK!!!!
@@rorrt him and Adriano on PES 06 were ridiculous!
@@charlieclemmow8027 Adriano's left foot was rickydonkulous!
Question: do the best finishers on average outperform xG? For players like Haaland and Lewandowski, how much higher than xG is reasonable, and how much is luck?
This is the most chaotic show I've ever watched
Theoretically, could a team made up of non top 6 players win the Premier League or is the gap just too steep that even their powers combined wouldn’t give the rest a chance?
They did. It was Leicester. Yes, Mahrez and Kante were then bought up by teams from the big six, but Mahrez and Kante weren't big six players when they won it.
I don’t think they could win but they could have a good shot at top 4. Example 11 from Transfermarket values:
Zaha-Richarlison-Raphinha
Tielemans-Rice-Soucek
Digne-Mings-Soyuncu-Castagne
Martinez
@@alexmarin8727 This team would have no chance. Even if they made top 4 they'd be eaten alive in the champions league
@@davidf2114
Leicester is an outlier.
@@robert2690 it still happened. The question wasn't to become a dynasty but if they could win and it's entirely possible
Question: If Sean Dyche left Burnley, where would he actually go? He is obviously successful in his style but, would anyone actually want there team to play that way when it is thought of so negatively?
Probably the original Burnley, aka Stoke City
The likes of Pulis, Allardyce, and even Warnock keep getting jobs. Someone like Palace will sack a manager mid-season and turn to Dyche. Watford have already appointed him once (and as a successor to Brendan Rodgers no less).
Everton
This made me sad :(
This whole show is so perfect I’ve never felt so much pride to be an og follower of a CZcams channel
Are you from the umaxit days?
This new show is the best thing Tifo’s done. So good!
Lol Route One is coming back to combat the gengenpressing systems that are widely present in the world.
Hello, based department?
Tactical flexibility will bring back a total football mentality. With a wider skill set players can flex into different shapes easier and more efficiently.
Great show, guys! If I were a skeleton for a day I’d go from classroom to classroom taking and liberating as many skeletons as possible.
Love how you combine great answers and peak humor, keep it up!
I love this show! Genuinely amazing! Even the credits are phenomenal
Joe Devine is the gift that keeps on giving.
How is this both the silliest and most informative football channel on CZcams at once? 🤣
I learn so much from this channel.
Wow I proper loved this. Well done guys
love the mixture of dry humor and personality with football content that tifo brings. awesome show
Such a great video chaps - as ever some things were learned, hilarity ensued, bees. Perfection.
Gotta love the picture of Portsmouth for Southampton
As soon as i saw the title intro, all i could think was Would I Lie To You? I'm now wondering when you're having Bob Mortimer on guys. It's the crossover we all need.
That would be incredible
Maybe this is too radical a tactic but I could see a gauridola team do it, could we see sweeping press lines. As in the back four move forward and over lap the mid field 3/4 and on ward to the front three. Maybe it's too dangerous but I always wonder no one has done. It would be like the sea just wave after wave of player lines forcing you back untill your pinned to the rocks like a helpless crap waiting for the inevitable seagull attack aka goal.
Brilliant lads
Loved the segment with Dan (again). Seems like such genuinely nice guy!
Amazing!
How can you not love this content!
Lmaooooo the video of Scumhampton being Pompey is brilliant
Love Alex's Radio Muller t-shirt!
Nice spot!
With, as pointed out in this video, the introduction of greatly increased positional flexibility of how modern teams play football, what do you feel is the possibility of the sport reaching the point where most, if not all, 10 outfield players are trained in such a way that they have the ability to rotate with almost anyone on the pitch?
man city essentially play with 11 midfielders
Would love for you guys to redo this and try to guess the next great football tactic, based on Pep's new incredibly successful tactic at City, the rise of box midfields, Liverpool's demise/transition, and the increasing prevalence of chaotic Relationism in teams like Fluminense in Brazil.
I’m a San Jose Earthquakes fan and our coach Matias Almyada and he plays essentially the same way as bielsa and Leeds we do well in streaks but we just get torn apart with how poor our players r, would love to hear anything about weather there systems r identical or not, as an American any video mls related is super exciting
‘Quick ten about Southampton’ shows picture of spinnika tower. Hurts my soul
Question: Is Viv Miedema in the Harry Kane phase at the moment? She seems to be enjoying the no 10 role more, dropping deeper and creating, rather than being a focal point as a traditional no 9.
Whoever is in charge of the editing on this show/channel is hilarious. The quick cut jokes that always show a juxtaposition of enthusiasm between the broskis are always really well done. reminds me a little of the Please Don't Destroy guys at SNL.
alex?
im gonna go to the board.
okay.
im at the board.
This show is the best thing on the internet.
Question: Would we ever see a team like Sunderland, Portsmouth, Wigan, Nottingham Forest etc make it back to the top division? If so, which one is the closest right now and why?
I would imagine that Nottingham Forest are the closest because they are close to the playoffs in the championship while the other teams are in League One (although Wigan will probably get promoted)
Good question
Question: For how long can Burnley stay up in the Premier League with their seemingly primitive tactics? If Dyche was to leave next season for another team, who could replace him to keep them up?
Could see Sampadoria being a good fit for Bielsa. He likes clubs in cities with a history of leftwing culture, which Genoa has and Samp has a left wing ultra group.
Would prefer him at Bologna, especially with Hickey, Theate and Binks. Also Gary Medel who he managed for Chile. It is the red city after all.
This was great
i was in TEARS after the degree segment but then the silence after it just SENT ME 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tifo Football is the only way. Love from Yakima, WA
Great content
I have a question. (what are the factors that effect how many injuries a team picks up, and is there anything a club/coach can do to reduce the risk of injuries?) for clubs like Leeds and Leicester that could be very important. Is it unavoidable, because you simply have to over exert yourself when playing against man city etc? or are there certain moves and styles of play that affect the odds of injury, and are individual players more or less likely to get injured depending on whether they are reckless, level headed, big, small etc
Guys I am LOVING this show. Great work!! A question from a one-eyed Australian fan - how the hell did the Socceroos go from 11 straight wins in WC qualifying to being rolled by pretty much everyone and needing to go to playoffs? Also, Harry Souttar - should one of the PL clubs buy him cheap in January? Or is he not quite ready for the jump yet?
What were the tactics of Guus Hiddink's 2006 Australia World Cup team?
Love the Radio Müller shirt!
How high can JJ Bull jump?? need to know. I would like to know raw vertical jump, running vertical jump (for maximum height), a long jump, a lateral hop (hoping from right foot {left off the ground} too left foot). Thank you.
QUESTION: Could a team playing a route one tactic win the premier league? i.e. Could a Neil Warnock style team win the premier league title?
I've been calling this for a while now, they'd need a super solid defence and amazing forwards with Bonnuci style Hollywood ball playing from the back. Might be too difficult to do consistently enough to win a top league though.
100%. It works in the championship and thats why Warnock has had so many promotions but always seems to fail in the prem. I just wonder what would happen if a team of already world-class players were put into a route one, physical, counter-attacking system like the one Warnock uses. Although I would also assume that there would be no consistency long-term.
this is one of the greatest shows online
More of this show please!
Give us like 4 a year or something
This show is actually comedic gold I didn't expect that
Although I love to watch them, do the Quaresma style outside the boot crosses/shots have a viable place in football, or should you instead prioritize being well rounded striking with both feet?
Question: In recent years, it feels as though it's the same teams that get relegated from the PL, only to be promoted straight away the year after, e.g Fulham, Watford, Norwich etc.
With PL broadcast revenues and parachute payments as high as they are, is this creating a de facto closed system in the PL?
Now this, is infotainment!
I love that a picture of Portsmouth is used when talking about Southampton
Joe Devine. Icon.
Joe, Alex and JJ, if you would be so kind, which addition/change would you make to the rules of the game ie offsides, set pieces etc
Guys please don’t loose quality! You are the only ones out there! Rather a few vids but quality than a ton but like every f guy out there…🙏🙏🙏
This type of content is only for football nerds like us. Thank for your your content.
I want target men on the wings. Full backs are generally short, and the aerial battle could be won easily. Could result in centre backs being dragged out wider than they'd want, changing the dynamic in the box
The Mandzukic at Juve?
Matías Almeyda at San jose earthquakes also uses the man marking system and even MLS teams pulled it apart. It seems to be a tactic that is not effective as a whole team but what about a team that uses it regularly,
i.e. are there managers who send a midfielder to mark a #10 or forward constantly to keep them from getting the ball or is that not really sensible as a standard tactic, and only a thing to do as a one off to throw a team off its game.
Superb use of Portsmouth for the intro to the Soton bit
this is sensational content and I really like it okay thanks
This is better than most comedy shows
Love the meta humour in this episode! 😂
I love learning from these videos, unlike normal things I'm kept engaged by bees and skeletons
The process of editing these videos must be incredible to watch
Love the Radio Muller shirt
My question is: with Salah asking for 400k from Liverpool, which makes it almost 2x the next salary in the team, how historically were performances of the teams with huge differences in salaries vs teams with equal pay ?
Great question that could have interesting analytics , like 2 or more teams with the same overall salary but larger separation or deviation and how that effects performance
Great home improvement show... What brand of drill?
Tactically, is there a difference between attacking full-back (Trent Alexander-Arnold) and wing back (Reece James)? Also, is there a difference between defensive full back (Kyle Walker) and third center back (César Azpilicueta)?
Goalie moving to the center of the field on the graphic was hilarious
The editing on this video is 🤌
Really enjoying so many questions being answered by the guys :)
Here’s a few from me:
Why were co-ownership deals so popular in Italian football?
Why do La Liga players have to have minimum fee release clauses in their contracts?
What is it about the Bundesliga that draws so many top British talents there?
Just how many trophies would Alan Shearer have won if he did join Manchester United?
Will Cristiano Ronaldo stay at Manchester United next season? How would the leading managerial candidates use him?
Can you do a video on Celtics new manager, ange postecoglou, he has a great story and has finally reached the promised land for Australian managers.
4:08 Nice footage of Portsmouth there...
What changed in the Istanbul 2005 final that allowed liverpool to make that comeback? Was it tactical or just momentum, luck and of course Steven Gerrard?
Got a topic for u .. always interested me why the principality stadium is overlooked for cup ties like the semi final of the fa cup .. or why cant they have the league cup final at the principality stadium and fa cup at Wembley?
Question: What makes a good Captain? Are there any instances where certain players perform better or worse with the pressure of the Captains armband?
Question: is it fair to base how good a player is based on their transfer value before their contract is finished with that club? Or does the amount of money spent on them say how they should affect a club straight away?
like 100m for grealish
Question: Who would be a natural replacement for Henderson for Liverpool? People say, Bellingham, but I don't think Bellingham could do the same job as Henderson, especially in covering spaces for right-backs and playing as an impromptu RM.
JJ BULL!💪🏽♥️
Question, why do so few teams in English leagues have green strips? There's 3 teams in the prem with a specific combo of maroon and blue but a bit weird no green as a main colour
What Alex said, in my Arsenal save I push Tierney to almost as a LW with Brandt coming inside. I've got mukiele on RB defend role. Kimpembe , Caldara and Mukiele become a back 3.
Question: How is injury time at the end of a half actually calculated? In last 30 mins of the Man Utd v Atletico Madrid game, the ball was in play for just over 11 minutes. Injury time was not 19 mins. Very confusing!
Question: Could player transfer values be ascertained by an independent regulator using a system based around performance statistics, age, medical record and a raft of other data? Could this be implemented across the top divisions to manage spiralling transfer costs and create a more sustainable financial situation in football?
This was terrific content and I enjoyed it very much, but I must say the amount of ads made it hard to watch.