Should Managers BAD MOUTH Their Players? | The Tifo Football Show | Episode 5
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Welcome to The Tifo Football Show - the show that answers your questions about football.
Host Joe Devine is joined by JJ Bull and Alex Stewart, Seb Stafford-Bloor, and The Athletic’s Mark Carey and Maram AlBaharna to answer such questions as “should managers slag players off?”, “who is the best defensive midfielder in the world?”, and “why is Haller so good now?”.
If you have a footballing question you want to be answered, tell us in the comments section.
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0:00 Intro
0:54 Does slagging off players ever work?
3:53 Who's the best defensive midfielder in the world?
7:46 How come Haller was rubbish at West Ham and is amazing at Ajax?
10:21 What is Dean Smith trying to do at Norwich?
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Joe Devine is basically living his dream as a 1980s TV star whilst the editors are slowly becoming more unhinged and deranged as the show continues.
slowly?
@@TheAthleticFC God I love you guys. The editors and admin don’t get paid enough 😂.
🤣🤣🤣
This is the funniest show I've ever seen that isn't a "just for laughs" type comedy. It's like a Monty Python sketch but you are in danger of actually learning something.
It feels like a combination of Match of the Day and Numberwang. Absolutely love it
It's great eh!
Get all excited at the prospect of learning something new about football and tactics...
Then I need to rewind because I'm giggled like a child when they're talking about the deep stuff!!
They are being intentionally wierd and I love it
@@chrisbarnes3005 We hope that B-bot hasn't found Colosson and gone rogue.
"in danger of actually learning something" 😂 sounds weird asf but sounds about right about this show haha
As an avid viewer of The Tifo Football show, I'm getting conerned with the lack of being told "you've been answered". In episode 4 only 1 question was stated as answered and in this episode no questions were. How am I, as a viewer, meant to know if the question has been answered?
important questions that have to be answered by the journalists of our time.
QUESTION: What do the j’s in Mr. Bulls name stand for? Is it “Jerry Jackson”? Or possibly something more avant-garde like “Jar Jar”?
I can only assume it's "Jay Jay" as in "Jay Jay Okocha"
Jar Jar for sure
Unfortunately, the two J's stand for Joseph James, gents
I think they stand for Jingle Jongle
It almost stands for 'Joey Joe-Joe Junior'
i hope this group of presenters and series of videos never ends, i truly look forward to the days these videos drop. also great seeing maram presenting a segment again!
JJs jingles for Mark Carey are the highlights of my week.
Question;
Do managers have a peak, like players? Also can this finally settle the "who is the best manager ever" debate
maybe some of the best managers can adapt their tactics accordingly (Ferguson, Ancelotti, heynckes) and can last decades, while others changed the fundamentals of the game for an era (Guardiola, Johan Cruyff). but I think most other managers definitely have a peak: Mourinho, Arrigo Sacchi, Felipe Scolari, Wenger, etc
but don't listen to me, I'm just a nobody😅
@@MarkWTK And i think this here is where my question is, Is 99 Fergie better than 08 Fergie? or is Ac Ancelotti better than Real (La Decima)? When were the peaks? Or do they even have?
@@ewoitotok2945 I forgot to mention that it's a damn good question 👍 but yea, I think most managers definitely have a peak. unless you're always win everything everytime
@@MarkWTK interesting, so does that mean there's an element of luck for most top managers, being in the right place and time in which their methods are effective? Rather than it being simply innate brilliance that lifts them to the top, which you'd think wouldn't be effected by a few years passing by.
please never stop doing this show
Q. Can a billionaire, rather than taking over a club, start their own club? like, for example, if Red Bull are to, rather than buying a dead club, to make a new team, say Red Bull London, how long will it take them to reach the premium league, given money is not an obstacle.
In which country can you start, and reach the top league quickest?
One problem is they’d have 0 fans, outside of a couple 100’d who’d turn up out of curiosity. Even small clubs have generations of fans in England or a local catchment area with decent enough population (unaffiliated population) to eventually gain interest like MK Dons
They would need a stadium first, to generate gate income, a rather big stadium. Of course Red Bull could build a new one like they did for RBNY of MLS but between London real estate and the stadium itself, you're talking about a huge investment. Would like to see it happen, but might be better off buying Palace or Brentford or similar London club instead and just slap on the RB logo as the main sponsor or totally change the badge and deal with OG fan protest, lol.
Should form a club in Wakefield.
One of the largest cities in Europe not to have a football team.
If Red Bull London becomes a thing, they'll need to start from the bottom up. Founding a football club is usually a hassle, but it's Red bull, it's going to be easier for them. If they start in London with an amateur team, they'd have to join one of the regional divisions in tier 10-11, depending on where they are in London. Given that money isn't a problem, they would quickly work their way through the tier 8-9 Isthmian league, and then the tier 6-7 National league. At which point, they turn professional, and it slowly starts to pay off. Then, they join the EFL at League Two, then One, then the Championship and the Premier League. Theoretically, they would need at least 11 years to reach the Premier League, given they get back-to-back promotions every season. Realistically, they would just buy a financially struggling Championship team, because it's much quicker.
@@simonward3229 Wakefield is in very close proximity to Leeds, Bradford and Huddersfield all clubs with strong support that it'd be hard to draw away from but I suppose like MK Dons they could probably establish themselves around League 1 level just through force of investment
Can Alex or JJ analyse Joe playing Rocket League?
Could use online databases such as Rocket League tracker, or Replay footage
As we all know, the only thing Joe loves more than Rocket League is the Athletic
👀
Next video from Tifo: Is Joe Devine Good at Rocket League?
Could a 'lazy' player like Dimitar Berbatov work in a modern, hard working team?
On a similar vibe - who is the worst player that would get into liverpool/City's XI, or alternatively who is the best player that *wouldn't* start for Burnley
@@aaronconway4435 Messi probably would not start for Dyche
De Ketelaere is the new iteration of the Berbatov/Zlatan front man. He works a lot harder than those two did, but still plays like he's strolling
Watching Berba taught me so much about passive-resistance to workplace exploitation
For the show: what do you think of fans actively boycotting the upcoming World Cup, and do you think it's going to affect anything? I massively disagree with the blatant human rights violations, but the game is my passion and I'm unsure whether me not watching will change anything? Do you have any thoughts on this?
I was very conflicted about this but, fortunately or unfortunately, I am Italian, so my decision has become immensely easier...
Same here, I really don't want to watch it but with the hype builiding I am starting to really want to watch it now... it's quite the dilemma tbh. Hope they address this in the next video.
I’m boycotting but I don’t think it’ll effect anything. It’s a conscience thing but it does bring up hypocrisy issues for the other dodgy bits of football.
The perfect grey area to occupy is watching the games you want to see in the pub.
It's going to be on the telly in there anyway, so you're not adding exposure to it, but you still get to see the fitbaw.
I’ll be boycotting as usual and it has nothing to do with Ireland rarely qualifying
This is my favourite thing to watch on a Monday! I love this style of show, really funny but also interesting to listen to.
I also love how they change Sebs name from week to week 😂
Ohh and how Joe says his own name during the intro haha
Question for the show:
Should FC Bayern Munich renew the contract of Hasan Salihamidzic as sporting director after his falling out with Hansi Flick and the failed contract extension of David Alaba last season and the complaints from Niklas Süle (has since confirmed he'll play for Dortmund next season) and Serge Gnabry about not being shown enough appreciation by the club?
Bayern Munich fan here and up up up up
He is just goofy and does very little on his own initiative that pays out. Most of the "big deals" were done by rummenigge and Hoeneß even though they praise Hasan for it. Just get a new, experienced one that has a sophisticated mind of his own as sporting director.
The part on Norwich was a brilliant explanation of data. Dead keen for more.
Also, should the Oceania federation exist? Shouldn’t we just fold all those teams into the Asian confederation rather than having New Zealand steamroll all those Pasifika countries? Or is there a purpose to it, even if NZ pretty much has a free run to the World Cup once the number of teams gets so big Oceania gets an automatic place?
Logistically-wise it will be a nightmare for Asian-based teams to travel all over the Pacific Ocean. Imagine Iran having to travel to Fiji - great for the sun and sea, really bad due to the long round-trip. Not to mention how will the fans be able to travel, if they really want to make it.
I think it is kept more as a way to develop football in the Pacific instead of actually running any competitive tournaments and qualification games.
I'm hoping that Solomon Islands will challange NZ on wednesday. Not very likely though
What about splitting the AFC and OFC into 2 confederations: the Pacific Football Confederation featuring east Asia, southeast Asia, and Oceania nations; and the AFC featuring south, central, and west Asian nations. It would give the current Oceania teams better competition and a less silly qualification process, but less travel and complicated qualification formats that a 60 team AFC+OFC mega confederation would have. Now I would still have the Asian cup tournament featuring both confederations every 4 years (same year as Euros), but otherwise they would have seperate tournaments and World cup qualifications.
Question for the show: Is moving forward the only direction of merit? or who is the fastest player at running backwards?
Moving backwards is moving forwards, from a certain point of view.
Get JJ and Alex to analyse the Will Smith/Chris Rock scenes
Q. How is chelsea lineup going to look like when conor gallagher returns? Will he replace kante/kovacic as the box to box mid or replace mount/Ziyech as an attacking mid?
"Replace" is a very big word my friend. We like Gallagher and we would love to see him in the first team. When he returns, the best he could do immediately is maks himself a good option in midfield, kinda like Chalobah. Break into the first team and be a very good option to rotate for our main guys.
Gallagher seems much better higher up the pitch to me, expect he will be in the rotating cast that makes up the front 3 if he is at Chelsea next season.
How good was John Obi Mikel really? I don’t tend to hear him talked about in the same way as Essien, Makelele, or even Ramires, especially since Chelsea supposedly “kidnapped” him for his signature, hijacking a sure-fire signing for Manchester United. (Asking as a Chelsea fan who didn’t get to see him much since I was busy with school stuff at the time.)
Il answer that, he was fine
fairly simple, he isn't mentioned in as high regard as those other players as he was nowhere near as good as them.
Yup just a decent 7/10 PL midfielder.
Side note for Haller: Erik ten Hag had worked with him at Utrecht before, so he already knew how to properly use him in his system.
Q: who are the “non-traditional” (teams who haven’t been in the Premiere league recently) teams in the championship and league 1 we should keep an eye on? Thinking of clubs doing things the right way - player spending, club investment, style of play etc.
I’m biased as a Cambridge Fan myself but, Cambridge are a nice one to look out for, a young manager who has been at the club since he was 16, for them promoted in his first ever season as a fulltime manager, then they lost a lot of their star players but are still looking comfortable lower-mid table in League 1 (and beat Newcastle in the cup this year) - they just bought the rights to their own stadium back and seem to have an owner who actually cares for them, Cambridge themselves won’t amount to much probably BUT, the manager is one to look out for
Alex shouting out the SC Freiburg player made my day!
The show is getting better and better with time, good work 👌
I still believe it peaked with the Joe at Bayern segment. It remains excellent but I haven't (almost) peed myself laughing since then.
the TIFO football show is really showing your guy's strengths. really engaging, love it!
Lovely episode. Much informative
god I love this show more with every episode. The vibe is just...chef's-kiss
Q: is ‘football is a different game now’ really a viable argument when comparing modern day teams to teams from decades past? For example, when arguing the current day Man City would beat the Brazil 1970 team?
Good Q
Ruben dias vs Pele would be 🔥🔥🔥
Humans haven't changed so if the players from the past were subjected to the same dietary plans and the same fitness requirements then they would be able to compete at the same level as todays players.
@@samc4451 I'm of the opinion that it's not a different game, just different and improved conditions. Taking your example, I dont see why the Brazil team of 1970 cant challenge the current Man City team if the Brazilians had modern fitness conditioning, modern training regimens, modern tactics & understanding of football etc.
@@christianopulinaldo8319 dias eating grass like he tends to
i am madly in love with this whole group
LOL THE ENDING !!!! LOVE YOU GUYSSS ! LOVE FROM THE US OF A
Think it's great how you guys are getting more Athletic journos involved. The symbiosis between brands only becomes more apparent and mutually beneficial. Yes, I work in a corporate environment.
Question: I'd like to see a comparison of how the average position and stats for the rightbacks AND leftbacks of the top 3 teams in the EPL differ. The athletic put out stats comparing the English RBs and TAA looked bad vs the others but I'd bet Robertson more than makes up for his "failings" because of how they are utilized in the game.
The whole right back conundrum England has with TAA constantly being touted as a worse defender than Walker and James has been exacerbated by what the systems ask of him. A specific example is how his headed stats are so bad, but LFC always puts Robertson on the front post for set pieces and Trent at the back. So Trent doesn't get the easy chances to block the first ball.
I’m convinced you guys would be the most fun out of any podcast/show out in the lash. Convinced!
Day by day this show is turning into 'Game board' from the it crowd many years ago, love it x
i fkn love the playful nature of this show it is soo delightful to watch it
Again, loving JJ's contributions to these videos just so precise and erudite with his words, but maybe he needs to let others get a word in ya know
Loved the end credits!!!!
How do you guys analyze football matches and how players fit into tactics the manager implements? I always find it fascinating as to how you guys manage to break down the play into a more comprehensible format, and I want to try analyzing the game like you guys do myself to better understand the game that I love.
Possible video idea - I think it would be cool to see a video about Dermot Corrigan’s piece in the athletic about the chaos behind the scenes at FC Barcelona compared to the sudden return to greatness on the pitch. I feel like people may enjoy it - the piece was very insightful imo. (Also you guys were right - the athletic is phenomenal!! I’ve been reading way more about all the sports I like since I got it, would totally recommend)
Can we have more Joe Devine in FM like the Bayern one, really liked that segment and would love to see more of something similar. For example can Man City avoid relegation with Joe in goal?
this has got to be the best show on earth, starboard!!
man I love this show
omg hey maram! feel like i haven’t seen you in a video in a while. always love her cameos :)
question for the show:
how do liverpool manage to maintain such a high defensive line while also having fullbacks even higher up the pitch and still concede so few goals?
Where will Graham Potter end up managing? Which club would suit his management style?
they've stated pretty heavily for months that they think he's bound to coach the english national team eventually
I think West Ham he could further develop once Moyes steps aside and same said for spurs but realistically Leicester. I think his to young to be national coach. I think there prediction is more emotion driven than what's most likely
@@Azza.10 Also he would be relying on the FA's judgement to actually recognise the value of a manager with progressive ideas. Given they basically lucked into Southgate after choosing to follow Hodgson with Allardyce, 2 of the most regressive managers in the EPL, I wouldn't hold my breath.
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL FROM THE CORE OF MY HEART 😂😂😂
I watched this in the park at lunchtime with headphones. At 10:15 I turned around to see what all that commotion was.
A question for the next episode. How do you think the increased prevalence of Free Agent transfers and player/agent power is going to affect the player market going forward? Could things shift towards the American style of player transfer which is actually centred around the signing of free agents?
Also, love that the raccoon nihilist has a raccoon on his shirt
Thanks TifoIRL! Personally I'd say Fabinho, Kante, Casamiro in that order, but I'd like to see the data!
Next question : Is there a correlation between club disaster and a team being galvanised to produce above average performances, eg current Chelsea and Derby teams?
PS - keep up the good work, your content is informative and hilarious.
This may be your best video yet, crying laughing 😂
Dear Tifo, thank you for your recipe. What type of pasta do you recommend, fresh or dried? And what shape is ideal for this sauce? Thank you!
Every single week i deeply ponder whether Aelx hates it here or loves it😂😂.
Best show on CZcams.
I love how Joe Devine is slowly becoming footballs answer to Vince McMahon
The most eccentric football show ....( queue Clarkson voice) ...IN THE WORLD!
I love this episode of The Tifo Shipping Show.
JJ Bull is the best !
I think if Tifo released a compilation album of all their songs, and the tifo football show theme, I'd buy it!
As a head coach for a youth team I would not do it, but it makes sense when dealing with some first team players IMO.
4:00 I honestly expected Joe to say Ibrahim Sangaré
How did Sebastian Haller end the thirty years war? The peace of West-Ham-Failure
Been waiting for a chance to use that one since the Ten Haag video
Kudos to Maram for bringing out The Passing Network™ aka TPN. Anybody following the football analytics twitter would be aware of the undeserved slagging of TPN received recently for not being of much use. but you know what? TPN is beautiful and useful, full of information, knowledge, and chocolate chip cookies. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The edit is so funny and good
I’m sure you would be good at explaining corners and why balls don’t ever seem to be placed inside or on the line before being taken.. thanks 😊
I absolutely love this hahaha
Stern and bow are the back and front of a boat 😂 PS please end mark careys intro song
Love this
Does Joe still have the singing talent he showed in his prime with performances like Grape Tea? Will we ever see that Joe Devine again?
In all seriousness though, I genuinely thought grape tea was a beautiful song and that Joe sang it wonderfully, and it was quite the pleasant surprise to see that Joe had something like that in his arsenal all this time, with that much skill to it. Much love
What is your favourite goal of all time and why?
Me? Trevor Sinclair's overhead kick against Barnsley. Running away from goal, catches it completey on his foot, in the top corner. I was 19 at the time, so maybe some goals are age-related.
How about RvP's header vs Spain at the 2014 world cup? That was memorable. But my favourite is probably Yekini for Nigeria against Bulgaria, at the 94' world cup. The goal itself was a simple tap in, but the celebration is what makes it iconic. Plus, it was the country's first world cup goal, ever.
Seems like there are more teams transitioning into the 4 defenders but 1 full back bombs forward and one stays back to form a back 3 (Arsenal - Tomiyasu), (Man City - Kyle Walker), (Celtic - Greg Taylor). Can you give out some ideas showing how this style of play benefits? And how to effectively counter this?
I’m here to help the algorithm, carry on.
Old story of a sea captain who always used to look in a little box every time they docked and no one knew why. When he died, someone opened up the box and found a note which read: "port = left / starboard =right"
The best show on YT
I love these
the cooking instructions at the end nearly killed me
Brilliant.
Question:- where did Alex get the t-shirt he's wearing while he's at the board talking about DMs? It's brilliant
Eminence not proximity. Well said, Alex.
Loving the increasingly psychotropic nature of the show.
I have a QUESTION! Can you research into the ‘New Manager Bounce’, how long does it last on average across the football league? When is it most bouncy? Plz inform us all
I love the instructions for Macaroni and Cheese as the credits
Is harry maguire really as bad as people say he is. Would he have had more of an impact in a different system under a different manager - say Mourinho?
many bad center backs could appear good in a very defensive system with lots of cover from surrounding players. Just look at him in the England squad. You need to watch him though and you will definitely see game to game how inept he is
Question: what is the best 11 you can make with current players outside the top 5 leagues?
Hits different at 5am
As Divock Origi will leave for AC in the summer, should we expect his ‘super sub’ goalscoring successes to translate into regular goalscoring from starting xi spot?
Incredible surrealist humour, oh and some football stuff
On the bad mouthing players. I am aware of Neil Warnock signing a player on loan. One of his permanent players had a howler but in the press he skated the on loan player. When challenged about this at training the on loan player was told. Everything that goes wrong between now and the end of the season will be your fault because the other players will be here next season.
that's not like Warnock to moan about things
Great chemistry lol
Can we get a breakdown of Portugal Football like you guys did for Serie A?
14:46 that's what we Slugs form the James and Flav podcast are thinking constantly
In response to the best DM itw question, I am quite surprised to hear no mention of Fabinho. A crucial cog in the LFC system and seems to be underappreciated....This prompts a question of What players seem to get talked about when they are playing well (and silence when they aren't)? Personally Benzema, Hazard and Kante come to mind. May seem harsh but look at Hazard/Kante while having 7th placed seasons. Anyway do you have any examples even if you disagree with mine?
Lads this content is absolutely top notch
How does this UCL, Europa league & Conference league system work? Which positions from which league qualify to which cup? And how does the dropping out thing work between the leagues?
14:43 Joe i cannot =))))))
Q: who is the most tactically innovative and interesting manager outside the Big 5 leagues? And which club would they most suit if a major club comes in for them?
You get a like for that ultra awkward ending :D
JJ with some quick tactical thinking to rescue the situation
I love the Mark Carey scattergram saga.
Thanks for the recipe.
Joe is bonkers. 🤣👏🏻
How good is Fikayo Tomori, relative to England’s other options? Is he underrated because he plays abroad, or is it a case of “absence makes the heart grow fonder”?
a friend of mine had a saying to remember port and starboard. "port has 4 letters and so does left, starboard sounds like "starbursts" (a sweet), and they are alright"
This is amazing