The Fall & Rise of Joelinton.
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- čas přidán 1. 05. 2024
- In this video, James Allcott takes a look at the fall and rise of Brazil and Newcastle United forward turn-midfielder Joelinton.
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0:00 Prologue
0:24 Act I: The Boy From Brazil
2:35 Act II: The Plight of the Pidgeonholed
5:00 Act III: Redemption
7:40 Epilogue - Sport
Lots of effort put into this one and I lost half a stone during the filming so any shares much much appreciated 👊❤️
Loving the new style of vids James, quality through the roof!
That is a quality vid right there mate!
Loving the new format of videos.
Who asked you to starve yourself to make a video
A lot of effort but all I remember is ‘Welcome to Austria’ 😂
top work from the YT football GOAT
1:31 Austria has changed a little since the last time I went there
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As much as Newcastle fans love the entertainer type of player we’ve always had a huge amount of respect for players who graft and work hard for the team. Joelinton epitomises that hard working mentality both on and off the field. Howe spotted something in Big Joe but the amount of work he put in behind the scenes to improve his fitness, physicality and understanding of the new role has to be commended. He deserves all of the plaudits he’s receiving and I’m so pleased he’s made it into the Brazil squad too.
Great video Jim, we know you love Joelinton nearly as much as we do.
Not gonna sit here and claim I knew he was a destroyer centre mid from the start but I do think he was unfairly scapegoated, used to baffle me when fans would say he was lazy. Very easy to watch a lad play in an isolated striker role with the other nine outfield players miles away camped out their own box and suggest he should do more running. Joe has always covered his fair share of yards even when he wasn't playing particularly well.
It's worth pointing out that on the Newcastle Online forum, Joelinton was not only voted Player of the Season in 21/22, but also again in 22/23 after full, brilliant, seasons from Guimaraes, Botman, Isak, Trippier, Almiron, Willock, Wilson etc.
He was absolutely colossal last season and epitomises our rise from relegation battlers to Champions League qualifiers.
I have been watching you for years. This is honestly one of the best videos I have ever seen from you. The story and presentation is fantastic. This format could be a real winner for you! Amazing how much you have grown!
Wow, thank you!
Ciaran Clark gave us the greatest gift and he didn’t even know it
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His greatest contribution you’ll never be forgotten Ciaran! 😂
I never get tired of hearing this story. Our grandchildren will be pleading us to tell the story about Joelinton's redemption at Newcastle in decades to come
Loved the video. As a Newcastle fan, nothing brings me more joy than seeing this man get the recognition he deserves. One slight criticism of the video. You got his name wrong. It's spelt Goatlinton. Howay the lads 🖤🤍
In his interview for NUFC Eddie Howe did a presentation on how he’d analysed Joelinton and looked to play him in midfield instead of attack. The Norwich game was basically Eddie saying to Big Joe “y’know that plan we had about playing you in midfield? Well, we’re bringing it forward a couple of weeks!”
Exactly this - was supposedly one of the reasons Eddie was offered the job - his ability to optimize the squad he'd inherit
I think it's unfair to even suggest Joelinton played centre mid in that Norwich game cos he was f*cking everywhere lol - we had ten men but it seemed like we had twelve at times (although we still couldn't muster a win).
The only problem with that narrative is he didn't play him in midfield until the Norwich game (on the back of the sending off).
@@TheIncredibleBeard_ Which is why I added the bit of made up conversation between Joelinton and Eddie. Playing Joelinton in mf was the plan and he would have got there in a couple of games time. The sending off v Norwich meant EH had to bring the plan forward and it turned out that it was ready to work.
@@dddgtsd I remember thinking that Joelinton looked like the real Geordiedog when he’s let of the lead on Longsands. He looked ‘liberated’.
Absolutely love him, what a change in a player that deserves it. The red card Clark got against Norwich which pulled him into midfield changed his career. Now a top midfielder in Europe and back in the Brazil team ⚫️⚪️⚫️⚪️⚫️⚪️⚫️✌️
What a brilliant insightful video on Joelinton the rise has been unprecedented to go from a Striker to a all round midfielder is unheard-of Newcastle have now got a unbelievable player.
The rise has been incredible yes but not unprecedented or unheard of, Alan Smith was a half decent striker when he joined Man Utd from Leeds but by the time he left Man Utd for Newcastle he was literally what Joelinton is now an all round midfielder
Gini Wijnaldum? And he was better than Joelinton is.
no he wasnt lol@@dlangston2736
Another JLA smash hit, so huge we've moved Vienna to Czechia. Only forwards (in this case forwards being North East)
I was already wracking my brain trying to remember when the fuck had Big Joe been on loan at Banik Ostrava
Great video on probably my favourite player in our squad. Glad you're singing his praises because its well deserved
Glad you enjoyed!
Joelinton has earned this little piece of spotlight, he is the hardest working player in the world.
i can assure you that i will never forget the 30th of November 2021 the first signs of a GOAT
Thank you! Been defending Joelinton for years saying he was never a target man in Germany. He was also nicknamed second Firmino (Brazilian, Hoffenheim, False no.9 - mostly, very active in pressing, very good defensively) Bruce only thought: "He big=he target man" and almost ruined him in the process.
Was at the Norwich game and seeing Clark get a red after not even 10 mins had ALL the fans fuming. Little did we know it was the best thing to happen
All of us Toon fans are guilty of giving up on him in that first coupe of seasons. It was never his fault, he was just part of a seriously depressing period in our history and his performance reflected that.
But man do we all owe him an apology. He could have walked away, resenting is all and looking back at his time at Newcastle as a nightmare. But he didn't, he rook on his new role, he worked hard and he earned the love of the fans, becoming one of our most important players at the same time. I'm so happy he did, and I hope he chooses to stay with us for many years to come. It's always nice to see a success story, and his is a big one.
I was at that Norwich game where he changed Joelinton into midfield, Thinking at 9 mins here we go again. It changes his career and our season, and there is alot of credit that needs to go to Joelinton. He is one of the main reasons we stayed up, got champions league and went on an amazing run. The way he changed is incredbile and all the geordies (including myself) are so proud to see him and bruno G on the pitch together
I read this wrongly as rise and fall of Joelinton. Thought i'd have to start swinging!
Sometimes last season he could just move through congested space in midfield like nobody was there, whether that was just forcing the ball through or having excellent close control. This season he's in a new position and with different expectations of what he will be doing game by game but as just a pure ball-carrying disruptor, he's top-class.
Fantastic video and you’ve nicely summarised how us Newcastle fans feel about him.
The Mike Ashley - “Boo!” Was fantastic and I think it should become a recurring feature when talking about him from a Newcastle fan’s perspective 😂
He's firmly in my top 3 favourite players to ever wear the shirt. Even when he wasn't scoring, the effort never faltered.
agreed, never understood fans who called him lazy - classic fans who have never played the game, the bloke had to close down four defenders off the ball most weeks and then deal with long balls with no one around, impossible job (well I say impossible, Rondon did pretty well but it definitely takes a special sort of hold up striker to do that job which Joe isn't).
He's physically incredible, great tackler, good in the air, excellent at running with the ball, and even managed 6 league goals last season. He's one of the most complete midfielders in the PL, reminds me so much of Mousa Dembele for Tottenham . WHAT. A. PLAYER.
I love Joe (might be one of my favourites of all time due to his redemption arc) but Dembele was far more technically gifted, his close control, weight of pass were miles ahead of Joelinton. They have their similarities but I think Joe's first touch and close control aren't his best attributes, better at running into space with the ball on the counter and using his physical attributes.
@@dddgtsd I didn't say they were identiical!
It's mainly because Dembele was a striker-turned-midfielder who was very strong and excellent running with the ball., but he had some limitations with his vision/creativity and goalscoring like Joelinton. I just think they both dominate games with their physicality and are very well rounded.
I agree Joelinton isn't on the same technical level as Dembele was - he was insane. But Joelinton's first touch isn't too bad, he was pretty good at taking down Schar's long-balls from the left wing - see his goal vs Spurs!
@@ImmuneGEORGE I don't remember Dembele ever playing up top, even at AZ he was a number ten at best. I'd also argue his creativity and vision were two of his best things along with his touch. He was strong but not in the same way Joelinton is, Joe is a bit more all action, bullying players where as Dembele was strong on the ball, used his body well and it almost looked effortless.
Yeah that touch from Joe was class and he's Brazilian so you know he has it but in the middle of the park he sometimes needs a few touches to tame it, compared to someone like Bruno for example. But I get your point, there are some similarities but probably not enough for me to compare the two like that.
@@dddgtsd Ah, I was under the impression he was a striker in his early years in Holland, but I must be mistaken.
I disagree with Dembele's creativity though. He was technically excellent but didn't create many chances for his teams. He only got 15 assists in 243 PL apps which is very poor. He's similar to Joelinton in that regard - they both can run with the ball and create some chances that way, but they're definitely don't have an eye for a pass to be considered playmakers.
@@ImmuneGEORGE fair point, in terms of numbers you're right he didn't deliver many goals and assists but from memory he was creative in a different way, take a man on in his own half and kick start an attack, pass before the pass sort of stuff which I still class as creative. But I'll give you that, he didn't put up many impressive numbers like Joelinton and both players show that G/A don't always tell the full story for a midfielder. I'd say Dembele did have an eye for a pass though but perhaps was more known for his ball carrying. Joelinton does a similar job but his is more bull in a china shop, full throttle, barging through people whereas Dembele was a bit more elegant lol.
James you’re a gem mate what a video. The podcast brought me in but your content is actually quality fair play
Nice video James. As a Newcastle fan Joelinton is my favourite current player and watching him get a Brazil call up got me a wee bit emotional.
Literally got chills when you brought up the Norwich game 🥲
Clark getting sent off that game was weirdly the best thing that happened to Newcastle since the takeover. Big Joe is a firm fan favourite
His redemtion made me eat my words. I was a twitter warrior against him. I was there on 30th of November and I agree - that day I realised, I shall soon delete all my tweets. ( I did ).
I love being proved wrong. Joelinton did that so well.
Great video - Joelinton is one of a growing number of poster boys who've been seemingly seen as a meme or player not at the level to play in the premier league/edging towards the exit; to being reborn under Howe and his coaching. Murphy, Almiron, Schar, Longstaff and even Lascelles
James is absolutely spot on, that Norwich game unearthed an absolute monster in midfield. He has never looked back and is what Newcastle fans love. Someone who works hard for the team, always puts a shift in!
Good timing as it’s my birthday tomorrow and I’m getting the Newcastle home kit with Joelinton 7 on the back and I never thought I would ever be doing that. He’s become my favourite player hands down.
He's my favourite player and somehow STILL never gets the respect from the wider football community
IMO... also to add to why the reception to Bruce's appointment was so lukewarm... that Ashley essentially pushed Rafa Benitez out after Rafa kept us for two seasons on a shoestring budget after getting us out of the Championship.
As I understood it... after being told for months that money was limited, Joelinton was put to Rafa (he had final say on transfers). Rafa wanted Salomon Rondon permanently and to put that money elsewhere. Neither side budged, Rafa left when his contract was up.
Bruce saw what the hierarchy saw in Joelinton (and allegedly was less willing to put his foot down), so the move got done.
I'd like to think however that if Rafa had Joelinton he too would have seen what Howe (and Julian Nagelsmann) saw and been able to get the best out of him...
Loved this video! 👍🏾
Cieran Clark wrote himself into Newcastle history. The forgotten hero...😅⚪⚫ Great video!
Without a doubt, my favorite player
Great vid - He also scored for Brazil, the ultimate redemption. Never seen such a change in a player. HOWAY THE LADS!
Not even a Newcastle fan, but man I love Joelinton, such a warrior, you can only salute his efforts week in week out
I feel the only thing missed here is the arrival of Bruno.
Joelinton plus Bruno is just a revelation.
Bruno does the controlling of the game, and Joelinton is the enforcer/box to box/ball carrier. And if anyone dares even look at Bruno in a funny way... They're dead.
Their pairing is phenomenal, and thats not to even count his partnership on the left with Willock. Those two are amazing together.
Worth noting that he scored on his Brazil 1st team debut in June
Great video James, J7 is one of the best characters there now. Great for highlighting it and the important Norwich game ❤
Great watch. Don’t forget his senior debit goal for brazil. 🇧🇷
Had me for a second with the title there😅
It has been such a good story for the league that he has cooked in a new position
I was at that Norwich game and I remember seeing him drop into the middle and he was absolutely class. It was an instant improvement - never seen anything like it
Will hold me hands up and say I was one of the fans who would always slag him off in those days but now… now he’s gonna be the one who I get on the back of that adidas strip next season 😉 great vid jim! Howay the Lads ⚫️⚪️
Great video, glad big joe is getting the recognition he deserves ⚫️⚪️⚫️⚪️
I have never been so happy to be wrong in my life. I remember disliking Joelinton intensely. He cost pretty penny and we didnt het a return for that investment in the form of goals. I remember going to the away FA Cup game at West Brom, seeing us go from 3-0 up to 3-2 up in the second half and watching him walk around the pitch with no energy or urgency. I felt so negatively towards him at that time. Now though, he is completely transformed and one of our best players, and one of the best midefielders in the league. So pleased for him and i have eaten some humble pie, as have many, in the process. I ❤ Big Joe
I have to defend Joe here, we were all disappointed with his end product and we were a bit confused with what his position was but I genuinely never watched a game where he didn't give his all. You have to understand he was playing up top in a 8-1-1 formation most weeks in which he was having to close down a whole back four on his own and chasing lost causes all game. The poor bloke was knackered most weeks, I used to check the distance covered every week because people would call him lazy but you'd be surprised, even before his upturn in form he was covering the yards.
He frustrated me but some of the fans scapegoated him massively (not suggesting you did), in many games under Bruce he was by no means the worst player but he was always the first one people begin to aim their stick at. He was early 20s, didn't speak a word of English and his manager was Steve Bruce - got to feel for the lad during that time lol.
It was that Man Utd game where every Newcastle fan realised we had a top player in Joelinton that hadn’t yet been unleashed, now he’s a dominator in Newcastle’s midfield..!
And he’s also just renewed his contract for another four years. ⚫️⚪️
unbelievable player
Buzzing to see a video about this guy. I believe him to honestly be one of the most underrated players in the prem nowadays
This is why we love you Jimmy lad
That was unreal 😍
I remember travelling from Aus for his debut against Arsenal and even despite his struggles that year I fell in love with him. So good to see him doing well now
Really glad you did this James, only thing you missed was he only went and scored on his debut for Brazil didn't he? 😀
Great video James! Joelinton will forever be a cult hero here. One of the class lads x
Already liked this video watching the ad before it even started. Love J7
2019 or 2020 I said jokingly if Joelinton scores for us in a particular game I'd get him on the back of a shirt. 2023 I bought the new castore home shirt with number 7 Joelinton. I'd be gutted if he left us.
This was a good watch.
He’s a beast.
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you really are good at what you do young fella... well done sonny me lad...
Another banger from JLA, kudos Hamez! 💪🏿🔥
Superb video, well put together as usual as well. And yes, totally agree that 30/11/2021 was the turning point :)
Excellent video James. Transitions, editing, sound, presentation all ads up for an easy watch. You are only getting better👏👏
He's such an integral player for newcastle and an absolute cult hero in Newcastle now.
He took it upon himself to hire personal trainers and digital analysts to improve his game under Steve Bruce as he could see the lack of coaching and fitness levels was leaving him behind.
He has worked so hard and never ever gave up, even in the tough years, to get to where he is now.
It's been a rough start for newcastles new look midfield this season and he has played every game whilst carrying an injury (again showing his commitment to the club) it's time for Eddie to give him a small break or hopefully the international break will have allowed him to recuperate.
He does his best work when he dovetails along the left hand side with a winger. Or himself as a left winger.
He and Joe willock have a brilliant understanding together on that left hand side where possible.
I so hope he can maintain fitness in time for the champs league, because he deserves every success and to show the world how good he can actually be in midfield. He is powerful, hard working beyond belief, fast, actually a good passer of the ball and very good with his decision making. His only downfall is composure when he gets in the box.
But his first touch and close control is better than people expect.
Can't wait to see him perform at his best against the champs league elite.
Spot on, I love him as a son
Nearly shed a tear.
Incredible content - well done Jimmy!
My dog died in June and I nicknamed her joelinton as she was a right little fighter.
A joy to see. Initially baffling....mainly as he was signed directly after Benitez left...because Benitez was not funded well at all. And then,..suddenly 40m quid for an unknown in England. And,.....didnt start well. The overall change in them all, into excelling, is best symbolized by Joelinton
More videos like this man. That was fire
big joe we need you back in form now, lets get our season started
Love this man to bits!
Big love for JoeLints! ❤️❤️
Class video that! Buzzing to see him in the champions league ⚪️⚫️
Not sure I've ever been more angry at a player than Ciaran Clark when he got sent off in that game against Norwich. Little did I know what it all meant. Thank you Ciaran.
Loved it! More of these would be great! I appreciate the edits and the time researching everything on this.
Absolute rollercoaster of a season that 21/22 campaign. The Howe call to move him into midfield was so ballsy and not many people were convinced at the time, myself included. Didn't feel like the game to experiment with what was at stake. Boy were we wrong. Masterstroke of a decision.
To be fair, when played on the right wing under Bruce he showed glimpses of that player, he was often helping out the centre mids and doing more defending than attacking. But yeah it was a bit of a shock to see him genuinely deployed as CM.
This is Joelinton's world, we're all just living in it
Excellent presentation, thanks James.
Incredible video james 🙌🏼 not even a Newcastle fan but this was produced so well it kept me engaged the whole time
fantastic video I remember all of it especially that Norwich game
Stuck up for him since day 1. Blind man could see he wasn’t a number 9. I never saw him as a midfield general I must admit. I’m be devastated if we sold him for DOUBLE what we paid now.
Joelinton, love that guy. Baller.
excellent video, maybe it is not relevant, your video would have been too long but his early background as a kid would also be worth a look at too, from the other side of the tracks. His biggest quality is his humble attitude, I understand that he is very approachable especially with kids, recently he invited some fans from Scandinavia to his house, very easy going.
Thanks.
sublime video for a great human and player
Newcastle fan love the video such a good explanation keep it up
So CZcams recommends this to me after Newcastle defeated PSG in the Champions League yesterday
Great video, that game against Man Utd was one of the best midfield performances I’ve seen🔥🔥 definitely worth checking out on Newcastle’s channel
Really good video James crazy how things fall into place from failed striker to a boss in midfield.
Very well done ❤❤
Awesome piece, keep up the good work
Great work as per
Love this from u Jim!
I remember that Norwich game very well 😁
Absolutely unreal video mate. Such a detailed well researched piece. You know your onions I'll give you that!
gonna be honest i was a joelinton truther, you could see signs of what he was capable of but his confidence was just obliterated by an uninspired bruce team, even before the takeover in the 21/22 season i'd argue he was one of our best players, but it was hard to see because the overall team performances were so poor, howe has done wonders with him though, and he's probably the newcastle player i'd want to stay the most
Really enjoyed this James, looking forward to more like it on other players if/when possible.
Although I may be slightly (definitely) biased in my picks as two are ex nufc and two are current I think Mitro and Toney are decent shouts from how they were for us to what they've done since leaving (maybe not enough chances is a factor in Toney) - but then also Miggy & Schar especially based on last season from how they were previously viewed.
Love this Jim. A video on the 🐐
Absolutely class content.
It's worth noting that he did have some games out on the wing in which he spent most the game defending (due to his natural work rate and Bruce's defensive set up) and was actually one of our better players, I remember Jones taking over after Bruce fwent and for some reason he dropped Joelinton, almost as if he wanted to make a big statement. I stand by the fact Joelinton was one of our better performers even though it wasn't hard with the way we were playing in Bruce's final months (not saying he had completely shook the meme status but he was unfairly scapegoated). But yes the Norwich game was the true origin story where he was properly in the middle of the park doing a similar job to what he does now.
Fantastic video Jimmy