How Jurgen Klopp turned Liverpool into title challengers | The Tifo Football Show Ep.12
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Welcome to The Tifo Football Show - the show that answers your questions about football.
Host Joe Devine is joined by JJ Bull, Alex Stewart, and Seb Stafford-Bloor to answer such questions as “how did Liverpool go from a mid-table team to title challengers?”, “how influential was Olivier Giroud?”, and “why do teams hoof it from kick off?”.
If you have a footballing question you want to be answered, tell us in the comments section.
0:00 Intro
1:33 How did Liverpool go from mid-table to winning the league?
6:32 How influential was Olivier Giroud in France’s World Cup win?
12:33 Why do teams hoof it from kick off?
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Will we ever see another Mourinho with Porto or ferguson with aberdeen again, and if so, who do you reckon could do it
Well there’s been quite a few almosts in the past several years; Monaco 2017; Ajax 2019; Villarreal arguably last year against Utd and this year in the CL. But if you are trying imply them ACTUALLY winning the CL, then I can only foresee it becoming more difficult for such teams to do it again with every passing year.
Do you mean a future world class manager overachieving with a smaller club and coming a big name or just a smaller club overachieving?
*Who and how
I guess like Mourinho and Ferguson before they achieved it, we won't know who the man will be until he arrives, it does feel like France are overdue a top class manager working his way up though, so I'd look there first
big ange
It’s mad that when Klopp first arrived at Liverpool, their best CB was Mamadou Sakho! This shows how far Liverpool have come under him.
I don’t actually think Sakho was all that bad. He put in some very good performances but was also inconsistent however that was a bugbear for the entire defence for a long time.
As I understand, Klopp rated him and planned to keep him as a regular player but that changed due to Sakho’s attitude and disciplinary issues that lead to Klopp wanting him gone.
@Darth Vader i used to sign sakho on fifa because he had a cool haircut, maybe thats why Liverpool signed him
@@tonytynebridge510 That was part of the reason
@@tonytynebridge510 That would be a very advanced transfer strategy for that era at Liverpool... I'm guessing they had a bunch of defenders in a hat and pulled one out
@@DomenBremecXCVI they must of signed Carroll for his pony tail too 😂
One of the common reasons that's often given for Ancelotti not getting as much credit as other elite managers is that his teams lack a distinct style of play compared to say a Guardiola, Klopp or even a Mourinho side. Is this actually true or is there a secret Ancelotti-ball that isn't recognised by most pundits?
GOAT man manager
Speed in attack. Sort of counter attacks without counter attacks. When your players are noticeably faster than the opponent, you can create counter attack like overloads by simply running at the opposition. His teams usually have some excellent passer further back. And really fast forward line. Pirlo/kaka, Xabi Alonso/ Bale and CR7 and now Kroos/Vinicius
Carlo is all about managing best out of the current squad he never really changes them completely his philosophy is not tactical evolution but something that suits the squad more than that
At least, what makes Ancelotti special?
This is the question
Question: How do clubs and the FA actually decide if kits clash or not? To me it seemed quite ridiculous that in women's FA cup final City and Chelsea could both wear blue, but in men's FA cup final when Liverpool wore Red, Chelsea had a yellow kit instead of their Blue home kit.
Chelsea chose to do that…tuchel wanted luck
@@j.s3300 interesting, maybe I chose a bad example, but there have been multiple questionable kit clash decisions made recently like sometimes stripes Vs stripes isn't allowed even though the stripes are totally different colour.
I remember also there being a game I saw highlights of recently where one team was in dark blue and the other in light blue but that was apparently fine.
@@Noobie2k7 what's wrong with dark blue vs light blue?
Could be BS but I remember hearing that it has to do with being able to tell the teams apart on a black and white broadcast. So light and dark blue would be fine since they would look different, but dark blue and dark red look quite similar so someone's got to change.
Could you compare the output of opposite footed wingers (left foot on the right wing) vs. same footed wingers (right foot on the right wing)? Obviously the game has evolved where both can coexist as inverted wingers, just wanted to see the effectiveness (creative or goalscoring or otherwise) of the foot these inverted wingers use?
good luck, they swap wings possibly mutiple times in the career and positions, to differentiate you would need to input stats from all wingers game by game......
Who's idea was it to add JJ to the Tifo team? most brilliant idea ever, this man is a jewel 😂
Alex Stewart putting in an Ozil shift this week! Rest up lad.
what statistic isn't currently available, but could revolutionise football analytics in the next few years?
(eg. england rugby coach eddie jones recently complained that there weren't enough data gathered to assess the effectiveness of his players' off the ball runs, and intimated he was going to try to push for analytics people to design metrics that would capture that, so like, is there anything similar you'd like to see in football?)
Great question! Off the ball movement ratings would be interesting, wonder how they'd do that.
I think something to track defensive actions better would be good. Maybe identifying "expected fouls/bookings" might make shift tactics
Slabentage, Maguire 100%
@@safwaansibda I think anything to help highlight the dreadful officiating would be nice. Certain teams get so many cards for seemingly lighter fouls
Question: Which players would benefit most from travelling through time and playing in a different tactical era?
For example, is there a current “luxury” playmaker who struggles with modern high-pressing football, but would have flourished in previous tactical eras where there would be less expectation for them to defend? Or are there players from the past that would suit the modern game well?
I think its odd as a high level playmaker who has that press would be even better. Just means they get more time on the ball and can win it back
I have been answered! Thanks Tifo 👍🏼
Really like the idea about using it more like a set piece. That Bournemouth goal was great
Double block was better though!
What do inverted wingers truly bring to a side? What’s the major differences between them and more traditional wingers?
Cut inside for a shot so they can additionaly become strikers , also by cutting inside they can give way for rwb or lwb , they can also create overloads with striker effectively dragging backline , now compare this with giggs and beckham like traditional wingers , they are mostly fixed to the wings and they mostly provide crosses to the two strikers , that was their main task
Full backs usually cross now as they push forward and are expected to do more in the modern game so it makes sense for the wingers to cut in
Mo and Mane are prime examples👍
How did conte exploit sides like City and Liverpool this season and could this translate to lots of success in europe against more traditionally dominant teams?
No…Conte is terrible in europe. Youre welcome
By sitting deep and hitting on the counter attack.
Tottenham are just set up well to be a great counter attacking side. Conte just knows how to do it better than most other managers.
@@prometheustv6558 but against City both goals came from Lloris having a goal kick I think
@Darth Vader but they do it the best
If the red bull franchise were to buy an English team, becoming RB London for example, who would be the most likely team they would buy and how long would it take them to be good?
Personally, Southampton would've made sense. Maybe Brighton and Leeds now. Regarding Leeds, there were even some talks 2 years back. Making them good (consistent Top 4) would probably take about 6 years. If they want a higher profile team, Leicester and Arsenal would make sense. Making them a consistent Top 4 team would take 3-4 years for Leicester and 2-3 years for Arsenal.
@@azlankhan4172 Absolutely no chance a team of Arsenal's standing and brand value would sell out to Red Bull. I think you'd need to look much lower down the table (or leagues) before you'd find a team that would completely abandon their name, badge, history, etc. for energy drink money. Derby County might be in a spot of hot water and could do with a bailout - perhaps that would be worth a shout.
@@azlankhan4172 None of these teams would sell out their historical identity, theyd have to start small like the other RB teams, a league 2 team is relatively the same coefficient as when they took over Markranstadt (Leipzig)
There is a perfect nexus in comedy, of doing something incredibly well, but also incredibly awkwardly and badly.
This is that nexus.
Which countries most over perform based on their population and national league skill levels? Iceland at the euros being an example
Question: Ball controversy used to be a recurring theme of international football reaching a fever pitch with the Adidas Teamgiest at Germany 2006, but how much influence does the design of the ball have on the game itself?
Whatever happened to penny floaters, they’re a dying breed 😮 ⚽️
I’d argue the Jabulani was the peak. Since then they’ve gotten it largely right.
I’ve always wondered what would happen if you filled footballs with helium 🤔
@@tonytynebridge510 They'd speak in a high pitched voice.
@@DomenBremecXCVI Kevin De Bruyne “let me speak, let me speak!” 🐭
You kinda skipped the massive gamble LFC took in 17-18. The ridiculous money that PSG gave Barcelona for Neymar that Barcelona gave to LFC for Coutinho (£113 nett) that LFC then spent on a CB & a GK (Fabinho & Keita were already paid for). For most managers its counter-intuitive to sell forwards to buy defenders, but Klopp used this to transform LFC’s playing style (high-line) in a way that most commentators said would fail. However, the planned introduction of VAR for offside at that time benefited this playing style and was anticipated by LFC more than other clubs.
The exploitation of change has been the key to LFC’s recent success something that Klopp is part of & a key driver within, but is not the sole instigator. Otherwise you’d be looking at the Dortmund v Madrid CL final this year & asking how are Dortmund so good?
Is there an optimal formation or way to play when you go down to 10 men?
Just fantastic editing yet again. A feast for the senses!
Love the TIFO football show so much!
Can't believe you got through that entire explanation without mentioning the contribution of Liverpool's feeder team, Southampton
With the season coming to an end and the summer break fast approaching, I was wondering how long it had been since players have had a proper break with covid and all the euros, how can a good break affect a team and individual players performances?
right on schedule for when i wanted to watch this got my snackies and in bed ready for my favorite show on youtube right now :)
Pundits always bang on about Pogba been so good for France in particular in the world cup but is this really the case?
That Joe Devine guy is simply divine
The british and exclusively football version of My Brother, My Brother and Me. Joe acts like the oldest, JJ is the youngest, and Alex fits that middle child role to perfect.
Question: With the seasons ending now - How do teams prepare for the coming season?
Are there strategies for pre-season? - E.g. Rest (longevity) vs. hard training (good start to the season)
Is there significant difference in preparations from "top of league teams" to "bottom of league teams"?
Is it possible to measure if pre-season has been successful?
With the World cup starting in November how does that impact Pre-season preparation this year?
What’s so exciting about olise? How do you think he will play in the future?
Learned a lot thank you
The bit about golf was hilarious. Keep up the fantastic content!
the 3rd question was i question i had in mind for ages as well thx
Hi TIFO. I want to aks you why Barcelona have 152 thousands strikers and apperatly also want Lewandowski according to The Atletic. What will they do with them, who stays and who goes?
Thanks chaps
There is one other reason about the centre - I was listening to an interview with a Liverpool player (gerrard maybe) and he was talking about Benitez or houllier. The reason he gave was something like - a centre kick usually comes from a disappointing moment (a goal) and so the idea is to implement an automatic movement to reset the mindset and get back to square one mentally rather than “thinking about what to do” which might be harder after a scrambled action.
QUESTION: Can you do a video on Brendan Rogers’ success at Leicester, building on Puel’s foundations, the downturn over the past 12-18 months and how he can take Leicester back to competing for the Top Four?
I really want to know why joe always says the number of the question twice. I'm dying to know!
this is an amazing series and you do a lot of great things with it but that question drives me crazy
Lovely stuff fellas
you can simplify Liverpool's recent success to one thing. The 75 million spent on VvD. Klopp had all those other players, but they were shipping goals. That one purchase enabled his style to actually work consistently.
Question: When did inverted wingers become a thing? From memory, Robben started at Chelsea playing on the left, and then at some point in his career switched to cutting in from the right. Is there anyone (either player or manager) who could fairly be described as having 'invented' the tactic?
Chris Waddle was an Inverted Winger for most of his career. Did this for both England (Italia 90) and Marseille and that's 30+ years ago.
We just used to call them Inside Forwards. Wingers as you understand them only really became a thing in the 60s
@@DICECLUB and I know people like George Best were comfortable on either side too. I only mentioned Robben as I particularly remember him making a definite switch when it became more popular again in modern football. Still curious who the actually first to do it was! 🤔
@@stephenpalmer9375 it’s interesting how football works in cycles isn’t it. Like how with Atletico Madrid (and even Pep a bit now) getting success going back to somewhat of a 4-4-2 again!
@@WizardWallis which kinda makes sense, cuz you invent tactics B to beat tactics A, then tactics C to beat tactics B, and then you realize that A can beat C with some tweaks...
The lads are back!!
This show is so funny I love it
Joe Devine saying "Joe Devine" in the intro is what I live for
The violent golf you described is basically what ice hockey is innit
Question: Rory Delap's specialization in throw-ins used to cause chaos in the box, would a similar player and tactic work in the Premier League currently and which team would benefit most from it?
Personally I think it might work even better now, as footballs gotten more technical and ground based most teams have gotten smaller, and ability to win aerial duels has become less necessary in defenders, I've also noticed one of the main places the big teams concede the most is at set pieces in recent years (Man City are very guilty of this) I think it might be because the systems that teams play now are much more specialised, they're spending more time on shape and movement in training (rightly so too for the most part) and thus less on deadball situations, if I had to pick a team to do it with then it's undoubtedly West Ham, they've 2 big physical strikers in Antonio and Scamacca, Soucek in midfield and similarly aerially dominant centre half's, they're perfect for it, Moyes is the man to implement it too, I'm sure we all remember the dread of his 2000/2010s Everton team getting a corner against your team with the Fellainis, Duncan Fergusons, Distins and Cahills of the era (amongst many others) I honestly reckon if they could implement long throws they'd get the Champions League place they chased last year with relative ease
Question: How different would football be if the objective was to accrue xg, and not goals? Would you need goalies?
Question 2: Do teams really play better near the end of the season when they have 'something to play for'? Or is this just an idea to suit the narrative?
That first question is mental, I love it
To question 1, city are sweeping the league even more
Does David Moyes have the potential to take the next step with West Ham? This has been a very successful season, but is this the peak or is it the start of better things to come?
Question: Given Joelington's transformation moving into midfield, should Liverpool consider playing another former Hoffenheim striker in Firmino as an 8 next season given the competition up front?
Question: Has Van Dijk lost pace since the knee injury?
Question: what is the environmental impact of the premier league? How do the clubs compare?
Madrid also did the kick off set piece against City for the Vini Jr chance
Music is excellent in this video.
The first use of goal line tech at the FIFA WC was in 2014 - France v Switzerland; Benzema's goal not in 2018 France v Australia as Seb indicated
Has there been any change in the Champion League knockout stages since the away rule has been scrapped? Appears as chaotic as always but great to see the data.
Everyone talks about Klopp but not many people talk about Michael Edwards,let's not forget that Michael Edwards helped Klopp to implement his ideas easier by getting the players who would fit into his system.
Question: How much of a difference does height play on set pieces?
I think to add on from JJ’s golf reform and make it more involved in the game. Obviously in normal golf whoever is furthest away takes the shot next but in full contact golf (place holder name) it’s a free for all and so then you could stop whoever and first to their ball takes the shot. Essentially taking all the gentleman out of it and making it carnage. Just imagine on the green Someone going for a putt, the amount of pressure he’ll be under just knowing the other 2 are behind him ready to tackle. Chuckling just thinking of it.
I would absolutely watch JJ's version of golf
what could a manager with the ability of a pep or klopp realistically achieve with the resources of a team like burnley?
Question: What happened to Stoke City? A few years ago they had Shaqiri, Bojan and Arnoutovic and were challenging for Europe. Now they're a mid table Championship side.
they lost faith in Tony Pulis. And lost the Premier League money. If you don't get the promotion from the Championship in the first two years? It's such a competitive league that it is easy to get mired down there
@@stephenpalmer9375 They had 4 years in the Premier League with Mark Hughes after Pulis where they finished in their highest league position for two years running (9th).
It's turned into a poorly run club for me, bad recruitment, no identity and no ambition any more. I would like to see Tifos perspective on it.
Is there that much of a difference between 12pm and 3pm K/Os in terms of player fitness and rest after midweek fixtures?
DCL at Everton has had a rough season. Can you look into what type of goals he scores? I feel he's great at heading and score scrappy goals. Not sure how many he's hit outside the box.
Question: How good is Niccolo Barella, and what kind of midfielder is he? Should any of the bigger clubs look into buying him?
LEGENDS ❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hey guys, another great vid. Thanks. Question. Who is Liverpool's most influential player and are we over indexing on the importance of extending Mohammed Salah's contract?
You should do a video on how the inability to change has plagued different English clubs such as stoke, Burnley, crystal palace (until now) and many others
It is a bit maddening seeing the stat from one of your earlier tifo football videos that the average time the ball spends in play in the PL is 59 minutes. If this is the case, how is extra time currently calculated?
I swear it’s the ref chooses a number
@@cheddarsmith6568 oh my God just like that? XD
FYI, "Golf, but with bodychecking" is the best idea I've heard in years.
Question: Goal difference seems a fairly loose indicator of where a team will finish. Are there teams that have been able to grind out results consistently with a low GD, and how do they do it?
Could you explain the transition brought in by klopp/Pep, the death of the traditional striker with the reliance on a false 9 in order to break down a low block whilst having the majority of possession
I highly approve of the increased twirling in recent videos, presumably towards freedom.
Very cool
Liverpool have been linked to some young mids in recent months, most notably Tchouameni and Bellingham. Stats Wise as well as in terms of play style, who would you say fits them the most?
Ibrahim Sangare
Ibrahim Sangare
It's crazy to say we were a mid-table team. We dropped pace from the top 4 race in the 2009-2016 period but we never finished in the bottom half - our lowest finish was 8th (11/12, 15/16). I do see mid-table as not challenging for Europe or battling relegation, so 8th is a mid-table finish but to only be there twice in one of the worst spells in my lifetime, which also had a second place finish and a League Cup win. To me that makes us a top 4/6 team who finished mid-table and not a mid-table team.
I guess it goes to show how big a club we are that even at the time 20 years on from our last title, missing Europe on a few occasions is seen as a huge failure.
5:31 thats the exact tactic the Canadian Womens National Team won gold with, lol
4:09 Brendan Rodgers Liverpool side definitely didn't play a 5-3-2 normally, it was always a 4-3-3
Yeah it was only in his last year he switched to 5-3-2.
Remember SSS suarez sturridge and sterling
Question : Who is a good Fernandinho replacement?
Matheus Nunes - sporting
Ryan gravenberch -If he dosent go Bayern
Frankie de jong - Barca
Florian grillitsch -Free
Boubacar Kamara - Free
Romeo lavia - Academy
Any of these or do you think they should go for someone else?
Jonjo Shelvey
Question: With the introduction of advanced analytics in football, are recruitment analysts more important than traditional scouts?
Question: how should teams play when up or down a man to best exploit or hide the advantage
Could you clarify when the goalkeeper is allowed to hold the ball bcz sometimes I see teammates passing back and then the goalkeeper holds it even when not under attack
Question: Does the fact that linesmen are always on the right hand touchline of the attacking team affect the game? Are right and left wingers ruled offside more often than the other and if this is the case how much can be gained from adapting a side to benefit from it?
I would like to know this
I miss this
I want to know what Alex thinks of James Ward-Prowse and if he has a chance in the England squad and what his best role would be there
I think clubs need to start emulating Liverpool because they’re being run superbly. How they are able to compete with that City team every year I’ll never know. Best run club in the premier league at the moment. (Brighton also gets an honourable mention)
Question: How good Bruno Fernandes is? If he is? Does he do more damage than he ends up creating? We sure get the high risk high reward thing, but isn't it (what he does) detrimental to the flow a team has? His lack of ball recycling is very visible against top teams. especially.
Yeah that's one of the questions I have as well. Even though I like his creativity and his mindset to push the ball forward but out of possession he takes rash decisions, pressing vehemently when not required and looking tired/uninterested when it is really required.
How are club management skills related to international team management skills? (Asking this as success in one of them does not necessarily equate to success in the other - would be interesting to see the data, underlying tactics, required skills, etc.)
Question: Do you think Europe’s top managers would be successful in the highly competitive and busy Brasileiro (the primary Brasilian league which would also include the Libertadores)? Given one season to settle, which manager(s) do you think would fit in best?
Follow up, which soon to be old and nearing retirement stars in European football could you see playing into their twilight years decently over in yummy Brasil? A “Sensible Transfers” for retirement phase players per se. Personally, I think Arturo Vidal would fit quite well.
Keep up the good work lads, and keep those gehts, gut.
He is right you know. It is a good film.
Finally appreciating Olivier Giroud
QUESTION: how good is Calvin Bassey, what is his potential ceiling, and would he be a good fit for Aston Villa or another Prem side?
(I've only been able to watch a couple Rangers games in the Europa league and he really caught the eye for such a young player)
Who is the best outside of the box shot taker this season (excluding set pieces) and how does he compare to the all time best?
Question: Does anybody know where to get the Tshirt that Alex is wearing?
Question for Maram: What one number metrics are useful for player evaluations? What is the problem with using such metrics? Why isn't such metrics popular is football where as being quite interesting to look at for other sports?(Ex. PER stat in basketball)
I also think it's important to note the roles of Henderson and Milner when it comes to Liverpool. They are obviously not Mo Salah or Virgil Van Dijk, but I genuinely don't believe we would have won anywhere near as much without their influence on and off the pitch.
Question: if you could make a team with the best player in each position based on a single statistic/metric, what would it be? i.e. every player will be recruited because they are 99th percentile aerial duels won etc.
The chip and chase sounds like something out of Mario's Golf
Lol 6th-8th midtable. Would love to be a midtable side here at Brighton
Question (of a sort): Can we have a section just dedicated to how good James Milner has been over his 20 year career? The man is an absolute machine and he deserves to be deified in a Tifo Football Show Tribute in some form.
Can you guys do a video on Wayne Rooney Derby style of play? And can he be the next big English manager?
I love the podcast but tifo football show is up there
Do you think Emre mor and Hakim Mastour will make a comeback to top flight football?
I want to watch JJ’s version of golf
Will the sweeper position ever be tactically viable in the future or has the flat defensive line permanently displaced it?