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- Cleveland Browns HC Kevin Stefanski won the Coach of the Year award over Houston Texans HC Demeco Ryans by one vote. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones, and LeSean McCoy discuss if this was the right choice, as well as Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson winning his 2nd MVP.
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Are you guys high? 2 MVP and he's a HOF'er? Doesn't make it out the wild card without a bye! And needs a no1 Defense to even win a single playoff game. No one will be mentioning Lamar with Burrow, Herbert or Mahomes. He's Justin Fields with a no1 Defense to carry him. We all know CHI is getting rid of Fields. 4 games Lamar had 0 TD's. Way too many games with 1 TD, 1 INT, 150 yards. Allen, CMC, Purdy all deserved it more than him. Did you guys know, Lamar has almost identical stats to Tyrod Taylor? One's a bust, one's Lamar. It's amazing how quickly people forget how bad Lamar was for about 12 weeks. Bc his stats were also identical to MAC JONES, who got BENCHED! How's that a MVP? He was 15th in yards, with Herbert, Burrow and Cousins out. So a guy whose the 18th best at something is now a HOF? Please don't let the HOF become the Pro Bowl. Bc that's where its heading.
@@bmj2k7you obviously know nothing about football and just look at stats. Burrow has missed more games than he's played and Allen is a turnover machine. Neither one has a single MVP season between them.
@@samuelmunoz1464 😂🤣
So Lamar making it to the Championship game is HUGE, but Brock Purdy making it to two straight doesn’t matter if he doesn’t win the Suoer Bowl?
Sounds like 21st century White Privilege to me 👍
I won't be an idiot. So I will admit. I didn't watch Lamar this season, except for the afcg. Everything I remembered of him came glaring off my screen. Questioning what is it that i'm missing? I watched some niners games. Purdy jumped off the screen in a good way. I really hope the niners pull this out.
@@HockeyDudeJames2as someone who watch every ravens Game he was absolutely dominating , especially when his WR wasn’t dropping the ball nd Lamar lost RB1 first game then lost RB2 , and trust me Purdy is great and setting the bar high so they will hate on him cause his checklist is so long lmao , as a Lamar fan get used to it, the more Purdy wins the more they hate it’s disgusting
Plus brock having better numbers
@@HockeyDudeJames2you and a lot people apparently because if you did and honest with yourself, you would see why LJ8 deserves his second MVP! 😈
DO U UNDERSTAND STEFANSKI won 11 games with out his starting QB he started 5 diff qbs, both starting tackles, both starting safety’s, there best all world running back Nick Chubb and won 11 games beat 49ers the ravens excellent job Kevin !!!you earned it buddy congrats
And got crushed in playoffs
Lamar is overrated
20% of the team on ir
@@TheAndre2crumpit’s a regular season award genius
Funny how the defense gets Soooooooo much credit for the Browns wins, but the "MVP" gets ALL the credit for theirs.... hilarious.
The browns offense wasn't good and they still won. Mr MVP had a top 5 scoring offense
Lamar got carried by oline and playmakers balling out making circus catches all year, lamars ball placement and accuracy was really bad this year , he had top 5 scoring offense mainly do to his de getting most turnovers in league
Circus catches? 😂😂😂😂
@@davwes8594what game was you looking at. Lamar only had one big game which was his last game of the season. ESPN push the narrative and got what they wanted. Joy just said this was his most successful year. It’s not 2019 he had the most tds, had 4000 + yards and 1,000 plus rushing . He didn’t lead in non of does categories this year
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you dont know football @@davwes8594
Acho is literally paid to just argue.
Wouldn’t be much of a show if they didn’t pay someone to be a contrarian
@@rfitzpatrick723 I understand that trust me but he doesn’t even try to dress it up. If they go one way he’s going to go to opposite way just cause even if he doesn’t even have a legitimate argument. bro don’t do no research he just be talking😭😭.
@@dariusjohnson6013he is the village idiot. James Jones was a solid player and Shady was amazing. Joy has been doing the sports thing a lot longer than Acho and actually is the most unbiased on the show since her fav teams are Miami and Pittsburg she has no dog in the fight most segments. Acho is the lame duck on the show
I swear
That’s every single sports talk show😂
So much hate for the Browns, it's funny they can't help themselves other than Acho. Everyone of them picked the Browns to finish last in the division, now Joy is saying the Browns were 'expected to go to the playoffs' SMH Missing 3 starting tackles along with Chubb, and countless other injuries....come on now, don't make it sound like this Award was a shame for Stefanski, not to mention the AFC North is miles harder competition than the South.
MAJOR 🧢🧢🧢🧢. Nobody thought the browns would finish last in that division. Everyone said Pittsburgh would because they don't have a QB. Almost every prediction I saw before the season had the Browns in the playoffs🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣 now we trying to re-write history. The Texans were one of the most banged up teams all year so miss me with that. The literally played with 4.. count em.. 4!!! of their starters on the offensive out for almost half the season so again miss me with the missing tackles... 🤦🏾♂️🤣 bruh they were missing the entire line😂 Good job Stefanski but nah he's not coach of the year. Also your division had a team with no QB in Pittsburgh and a Burrow-less Bengals team. Yeah that's some real tough competition 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ybmsimba2410 Literally Shady, Joy and James picked the Browns last at the beginning of the season,
Yep they flip flop and change their arguments based on who they like.
@@ybmsimba2410man you gotta go back everybody had the browns in last on this show on nick wright and Chris broussard show the one show with the old white dude on fox everybody pat Mac show you trying to rewrite history
@@ybmsimba2410you big cap smh they literally said it on more than one occasion the browns were going to finish last
Dude had joe Flacco averaging 30 at one point I can’t cap. It’s a regular season award. So man it wasn’t just defense. It’s a close one though man.
Lamar will get another MVP, but he needs to make it to a Bowl. He will.
Only way Lamar wins a Super Bowl is if he’s committed to being the best athlete on the field, a dual threat, the most dynamic player in the game.
If he keeps trying to be Peyton Manning when he’s in the playoffs he’s cooked.
If only he wasn't a Superbowl choker
@@maskedman5657how is he a choker and hasn’t been there. Yet.
They wont give him another MVP until he gets a ring unless he has a season with some of the most gaudy numbers in NFL history on top of going something like 15-2. So more than likely the earliest he can get another MVP is the 2025 season if he wins it all next year. That's why the next 2 years he could have a chance to even catch up to Mahomes in the argument for best QB of this generation even if he's 3 rings behind after Sunday. And dont let the 49ers win or Lamar could catch Mahomes altogether over the next 2 years by getting 2 rings and a 3rd MVP.
But imagine if Lamar plays half of what Peyton was with his athletic ability he’d be in a SB Lamar should strive to throw imo
Let’s be real here, let’s not pretend the entire NFL didn’t think the browns were cooked when they lost the best offensive player on their team in week 2. Stefanski deserved it
Nah Demarco Ryan's did
Completely agree
Yea when you think about it they could have easily had the same season as the jets
@@AlecWelsh-ut7cc🎯🎯🎯
I don’t think it’s about who deserves it but more so about showing both coaches had amazing szns
Coach Ryans knew what he was going to have coming into the year. Cleveland lost its starting previous pro-bowl QB, and then they lost their starting running back. Is coach of the year about overcoming expectations or overcoming obstacles?
I love how this show has so much raw and genuine discourse from friends. Good content as always Speak squad.
They act like we ain't never seen Mike Vick
Vick just gets disrespected. He was 2-4 in the playoffs like Lamar and he made it to the NFC championship. Also, Vick played when QB's weren't protected like they are today.
@@kifley19 facts!!
@@kifley19Vick is better
Facts...
Vick was different. I remember watching him play as a kid. Man he was electrifying. He was more accurate and had a stronger arm than Lamar for sure. Once his legs went, he was done plus the off field issues. Lamar missed a big opportunity this year.
Nick Chubb, Deshaun Watson, Jack Concklin, Jed Wills , Dawand Jones, Rodney Mcdloud , Grant Delpit , Dustin Hopkins , Anthony Walker .... and in sure theres more im missing. thats all the injruies browns had . Yall acting like they had a couple . Acho understands . They got COTY right
They didn't. The Texans had more injuries. The most players on IR this year. 4 starting linemen got hurt in the pre-season and missed almost half the season but since we naming people. CJ missed games, Pierce, Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Jimmy Ward(starting SS), Steven Nelson(starting CB), all 3 starting LBs missed time, Will Anderson and Greenard are the 2 best pass rushers on this team and both missed multiple games and were still banged up when they came back. Noah Brown, we had to sign and bring in like 3 different offensive linemen off the couch throughout the season because the line was so banged up 🤦🏾♂️🤣. I'm quite sure I'm missing a few too but yeah you get my point. Had had just as many if not more injuries, with a rookie QB, a rookie OC with a team that had only won 11 games in 3 years. Demeco=COTY
@@ybmsimba2410brutal casual take.
@@ybmsimba2410they absolutely did not. Browns lost a crucial player EVERY WEEK. Texans had a fully healthy team vs what amounted to a wounded duck team in the playoffs.
@@djquik182000 The Texans were nowhere near fully healthy.... AT ANY POINT last year but ok🤷🏾♂️ ingest whatever amount of cope-ium you need to sleep at night🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣
I wonder why Acho never took any of his own advice.
You know why. He's a hypocrite. Like every speak cast except James
@@maskedman5657😂😂😂😂 yeah okay
That’s why he is so critical of guys like Lamar. He is so much more talented than Acho it hurts his pride and he comes with this little man complex against him specifically. It’s sad really.
Joy is wrong. Once Stroud showed he was a Top 10 QB, the expectations for the Texans at the beginning of the season didn’t matter. The Texans played in the worst division with a relatively easy schedule due to their record last year. What the Browns did with so many backup QBs is unprecedented. And they played in the harder division.
Nah bro. Not with a rookie head coach and winning under 5 games the previous season. That's just the common practice of moving the goal post.
Texans had a rookie QB, rookie HC, far inferior roster, no one picked them to win the division AND they won a playoff game. Oh yeah, they BEAT THE DOGSHIT out of the Browns IN the playoffs!
So you’re wrong. Stefanski couldn’t lead the Texans to the playoffs 🤷🏾♂️
@@robinabernathy2829nah he’s right once you start winning the expectations change it doesn’t matter if you were supposed to win 4 games. Once stroud started winning if they didn’t make the playoffs it would have been a disappointment
Well said I agree cuz they wanna act like not having your starting QB doesn't matter 9/10 when the starting QB goes down what do we all say about that team oh looks like their season is over but this dude won with 5 different QBs that's crazy if you ask me
So why did Kyle not win it last year with his 3 rd
"getting to the championship is a huge deal and he got the one seed so we can't ignore how big of a feat that is that he did it ONCE"
Purdy: am i a joke to you?
I think you mean 49ers.
It’s funny that the 49ers and the Ravens earned the number one overall seed in their respective conferences twice in the past 4 seasons but only the Niners made it to the Super Bowl
The NFC has only 3 teams. The AFC is loaded
neither of them have rings though @@TYreLL0416
@@glodmack6396and?
How many franchises can win with 5 different qbs most would fall apart
I wonder how these MVP QBs would fare without their top tier defenses
The Ravens offense averaged 28 ppg lol that’ll win you A LOT of games in the NFL. Come on now.
I agree Lamar has had a top 5 defense 4 out of 5 years. He has time though.
Rodgers only had a top 5 defense 1 season. He won 1 SB. It was that season.
Manning had a top 5 defense for 4 seasons. He won 2 SBs
Brady top 5 defense 10 seasons. He won 7 SBs.
@@someguy9301No lamar hasn't. Before this year the defense gave up the most 4th qt yards in the last 6 years even with Flacco that is why Flacco was missing the playoffs. In the playoffs lamar has played in after his rookie season the d gave up the most points and yards in the second half of those games. Their pff in the playoffs in the second half is 42 percent. Bruh yall need to stop creating these lies with the media 😂😂😂😂
@blockbullyrecords5417 It's not a lie based on points given up, 4 of his 5 seasons, the Ravens with him, had the top 5 defense. I'm not counting his rookie season where he played half a season. The only thing is he was hurt for a bit and didn't play in the playoffs in 2 seasons. I forgot about that.
@blockbullyrecords5417 , also 4th quarter yards? When is a game 1 quarter and decided by yards? I'm not even saying he's bad. He's actually really good, I just don't think a 2 time MVP with a top defense almost every year needs to play like a MVP in the playoffs, and he hasn't.
See, this is why a lot of people can never get with Acho
He aint lying
Because you disagree with him?
@@chaddon7685 because he has a long history of outlandish takes that few ppl actually co-sign. I understand his role on this show may be an antagonist role. But most ppl I’ve seen in the comments usually disagree with the majority of his takes. Myself included.
He’s the only one who right most of the time & it’s because he’s objective and not subjective. He’s very brainy instead of all heart. His takes are one of analysis and data vs everyone else talking with their emotions.
@@vacaymcfallinhe is speaking from a twitter troll comment section stand point. That’s not logical that’s weird
Acho is the only one that actually watches all the games...everyone else has no idea what the browns actually went through this season. Pretending like the Browns are just "supposed" to be good, that the defense beat the Ravens, and forgetting that the Browns stomped Houston on Christmas eve. Forgetting the Browns were without the starting QB, RB, RT, LT, LDT, MLB, SS, KR/PR, and key backups like RT, LG, WR and FS...AND ALSO HAD TO START 5 QB's!! Just a complete misunderstanding of what actually went on in Cleveland this year.
I’m usually not feeling like Acho,but he’s on point here
Same, acho usually way out there for me but I agree with his browns take.
They bugging saying hes a 1st ballot HoF qb. Hes not even close to the HoF in general yet. He better learn how to consistently throw from the pocket on top of winning a SB or at least have a positive playoff record. Its gonna get harder for him as his athleticism fades. And then you take a look at his stats which are pedestrian when compared to his peers...
Keep hating. Lamar on the same path as Peyton manning. Just sit back and enjoy greatness and history in the making.
Thanks for your common sense. Kurt Warner won 2 MVPs in 3 years with FAR better output than Lamar. He would have never sniffed the HOF if not for his resurgence in Arizona, and it came with him being surrounded by HOF level talent once again. Lamar has always had an excellent defense backing him. Plenty of qbs could win with it
@@rfitzpatrick723lmao this may be the stupidest comment I’ve seen. Manning had more productive seasons than Lamar at this point in their careers
@@rfitzpatrick723what history is that ? That he will have more MVPs then post season wins ?
Great post 💯
Stefanski was the right choice by seasons end the Browns had 6 defensive starters, 4qbs, the starting RB, the kicker, and the punter out. The voting took place before the playoffs and the browns rolled up 36 points on the Texans who have a defensive head coach playing with no kicker and no punter so they were going for it on every 4th down and going for 2 every time they scored.
Exactly. Browns without their starting QB vs Texans without their starting QB & it wasn't close. They got embarrassed.
Imagine losing to a team missing QB1, RB1, LT 1, RT1, RT2, LG, FS/SS, kicker & punter, plus more. It's a joke to even consider anybody else.
I had Lamar back for 2 years now. But I'm not taking up for him anymore, he had the better team in the AFC championship. And he refused to play like Lamar. Instead he wanted to show everyone he could win throwing, and it was a choke job.
Chiefs bought that game
Lamar doesn't call the plays.
@@ADUSN that's your excuse 😂😂😂😂
He's a choker
You had his back even after Tennessee smoked them in 2020??
I'd say Texans coach shouldve won since we didnt except it
You really think he earned it, naw I believe they got it right. They got the come back player of the year right too, I thought Tua really should of got it but. It could of went both ways too...
@@MrGoddlie you lost all credibility when you said Tua deserves it lol
@@MrGoddlieHe won 11 games... a division title and a playoff game... for a team that had only 11 wins the previous 3 YEARS COMBINED. He did that with a rookie OC and his best players being either rookies or 2nd-3rd year players. Regardless of how it happened the Browns were expected to compete with Baltimore and Cincy for their division and make the playoffs. Absolutely nobody thought the same about the Texans.
@ybmsimba2410 but he didn't have to start 4 different QB in the best and brutal division the AFC north and won 11 games. Cmon man this was Kevin to win
@@ctwn2166 DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE that’s why they won that many games
Acho is the only one being fair. Everyone else is being biased and emotional. The browns were missing 5 Oline starters at one point + the best RB in football, a top 10 qb, CB1 in and out all year, FS1 in and out all year, FS2 out, SS1 out, MLB1 and DT2 out. To say that most of the team was healthy when they had rookies and players off the couch starting for over half the season is blatantly lying. DeMeco got smoked by the browns in the regular season and the browns fell apart at the worst time but it was bound to happen. 11 wins in the best division with 26% of your cap space on IR is more impressive than taking a 3 win team to a 10 win team in a mediocre division especially when you have the best qb in the draft and the best de in the draft
not to mention coty is a REGULAR SEASON award, playoff results are irrelevant
Houston Texans led the league with players on IR this season.
They always cheerleading bro 😂
You lose your Running Back when you are a RUN HEAVY team and it doesn’t matter? What is Joy taking about?
firstly i agree browns coach deserved it missing chubb o line having 4 different qbs etc. but in no world is watson a top 10 qb or even close😂
I think all the other 2X winners went to a SB?? LJ will admit he still has work to do but a SB appearance should assure him a jacket.
He gotta stop choking
The other 2X winners didn't just go, they won.
2x MVP makes him a HOF player already.
@@brandonbooth3231 nah
@@maskedman5657 Yup
Damg Joy, if you was talking like that about Brock. We wouldn't call you a HATER
Look at how Joy Taylor criticized Jokic in the NBA after he was a 2 time MVP for not achieving postseason success and then praises Lamar Jackson instead.
shes racist
@@goldenbuckets23 thank you. I normally respect Joy, but this is a horrible take by her here. Have you noticed how much she was riding Baltimore all season long? I was not surprised to see them lose to the Chiefs, and I fully believe they would have lost to the Bills as well because Lamar cannot win a passing duel against either Mahomes or Josh Allen. He has to play his brand of football, he has to play from ahead, or he’s not going to win
@marcusmcgraw3519 The Ravens would have best the brakes off the Bills stop the madness. The only person that could beat Lamar this year was Pat...which he did it so give him credit. Stop lumping Josh with Pat. They aren't on the same level. It's Pat above everyone, then Lamar and Joe, then Josh.
Yea browns have a good roster but they had 1/4 of the cap on IR. So they were winning without that impressive roster. He Started 5 diff QBs look how the Texans played w/o theirs. It wasn’t a robbery they should of just had co coaches of the year since they tied in points
Agreed... Co coach would have worked here
So did the Texans. Just as banged up if not more so than the Browns and they also won a game without CJ too so your point is invalid. Demeco should have won it but if not then Co-COTY would've been ok too
Don’t mean a thing without the ring
True but Dan Marino an Warren moon were 2 of the best without a ring.🤷🏾
U wrong. This isn’t basketball
Both picks were wrong Lamar with 36 hundred come on bears quarterbacks can do that looks more like a DEI pick. Mahomes is the MVP. Second Ryan's was hands down the coach of the year winning a playoff game
Mahomes is also black..
Is your preference also DEI ?
I would respect the league if they didn’t put him in the hall because he’s mid at best
Y’all calling this man a walk in HOFr when Allen & Burrow are clearly better qbs. Got love for Lamar but he gotta win some big games or them MVPs gonna be sus.
Clear to you my guy.. all three are nice and hv arguments.
Allen never went to a superbowl 😂 no awards burrow went to the superbowl he has good argument
What has Allen done?
@@jaywashington7225 look my eyes tell me that man is a problem!
Not just calling, he is...no way a 2 time MVP isn't going to the hall...I'm not the biggest Lamar fan but that's going to happen
Its such a disgrace, so much cap 🙄
Hes in the HOF??? Hes got 2 playoff wins.
Hes never even thrown over 4,000 yds
And only over 35+ tds 1x
He didnt even deserve a mvp this year #15 pass yds #11 pass tds and only had 5 rush tds
So who do you think deserved it over Lamar?
@tmc31390 just look up the numbers.. guys like
Dak
Allen
Purdy
CMC
All these guys were top seeds, and ranked like #1 - #5 in all major stats
@@josephbanker3829 and I wouldn’t have voted for Purdy or Dak. But Allen and cmc made a lot of sense to capture the award instead, because they had much better offensive output and weren’t scheme dependent
gotta say that the browns did good with 5 different qbs in the toughest division in football .. hats off to the texans and this coming from a ravens fan.
The question that should be asked for who deserved is, which is harder, Overcoming all that stefanski had to overcome to make the playoffs, or overachieving everyones expectations in your first year to make the playoffs?
I think without Flacco strolling in with his walker, slinging TDs and takin naps on the sideline, Browns easily could easily have missed this year. It was magic.
This entire segment is out of pocket. Stefanski was on his 4th string qb and lost the best RB in the NFL to injury early. They werent supposed to make the playoffs or win 11 games but they did. Demeco Ryans has a case as well and I would have no problem if he won CotY either. The downplay of what Stefanski did is crazy though...
bro don’t know who cmc is
Acho is the definition of “Don’t let your feelings get involved”
If Mike Tomlin or Todd Bowles won over Demeco Ryans, the other 3 wouldn’t have a problem with it at all…. If that makes sense
What are you tryna get at though you tryna make this a race thing? The voters got it wrong if they gave it to him because he made it work with his qb situation then Kyle should’ve won it last year
Browns beat the Texans head to head in the regular season without their starting QB… If the head coach of the Texans had beat the Browns with their backup QB then we have an argument… They keep bringing up the Texans beating the Browns in the playoffs with CJ starting… Why didn’t he win the regular season game without him??? 🤷🏽♂️
Then why didn’t Kyle Shannan win he started 3 qbs and went to nfc championship games
not to mention got there with the last pick of the draft demeco ryans was ROBBED
Mvp isnt done how its should be. The recency biases shouldn't be taken into account. As ravens defense carried alot of the load for the team. A mid tier qb couldve carried the team to the playoffs. Seen it basiclly with the browns and bad qbs. Few years back carr held the team together after the gruden emails. And ruggs drama/ dui killing the young lady.
Some would argue that Lamar is mid. I haven't watched him much recently. What I saw in the afcg. Brought back what I remembered.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 I would say Lamar is one of the worst unanimous MVPs we’ve ever seen. 24 tds to 7 INTs hardly screams mvp, unless it was 20 years ago when Steve McNair won the award with that same stat line. The problem is that McNair was actually a good passer, where Lamar totally wastes his receivers unless the coverage is shifted due to the threat of him running the ball
Keep in mind Peyton also had this kind of playoff record, before he finally won a ring
Yeah and he got crushed for it until he won lol.
That narrative was all over Peyton until he started beating Brady in the playoffs and won a ring
Manning was also throwing for like 4,500 yds and 30+ tds a season lol.
Lamar has never even thrown over 4k
Took john elway 15 season to win a superbowl
@@josephbanker3829 what’s ur point buddy?
5 different quarterbacks and still won. He can coach
Not one of those QBs was a rookie 🥱
@@lawrencemalone-px6qeirrelevant
@@Frost11511 yea, having a rookie is irrelevant and means nothing 🤦🏾♂️
@@lawrencemalone-px6qeDTR
I love how they gave Ryan credit for his team's offense and QB progress even though he's a defensive mind, Stefanski gets belied/receives no credit for his team's amazing defense, and his quarterbacks were widely considered below average. CJ Stroud is believed to be a top 10 QB, while most observers question whether Watson is still a top QB, and on top of that didn't even play the whole season.
0:49 Incredible? It’s expected. 😂
Well, he has a chance to beat mahomes in the SB
I thought Eli being a lock for the HOF was crazy... But Lamar Jackson a lock?????????? For regular season achievements??? As AI would say........ We talkin about PRACTICE for the playoffs........
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What about TJ Watt. He should have been DPOTY
Not hating on lamar but he didn't deserve that mvp. Why?! Cuz his defense carried him most of the times. But hes getting the praise of him carrying his team on his back. 🤷
Thought the same thing. Had the best defense, had talent all over the field. He did not carry them, he played well. CM should have won it. CM did carry the 49ers
Offense averaged 28ppg but the defense carried lol sure bud
@@gabrielcastillo3236cmc has the most talented squad. He was carried then
They scored almost 30 a game tf lol
The defense didn’t average 28 points😂
Thanks for saying what nobody is saying about the Browns Defense and the Browns coach!!! 💯🎯
I really wish the media would actually do real analytical work instead of saying the same thing smh the last time I checked football is a team sport and everything has to nearly go right for you to win it all
Acho is the voice of reason.
Nah not this time
This video at least
Demeco Ryans should’ve won coach of the year. First time head coach takes a rookie qb to the playoffs, and beat the coach that they gave the award to…
Naw. Browns lost their best offensive player in Chubb and their QB in Watson in the best division.
Holy casual.
Please stop mentioning Josh Allen when y’all mention MVP’s …He is very good but he has to win something fr
They speak about him because he went to a afc championship game that’s all even tho he lead the league in turnovers a few times
9:14 Same thing happened last year - Daboll won the award over Sirianni and Sirianni beat him by 30 in the playoffs.
LOVE seeing all the whining about the browns sweep last night, keep crying🤪✌🏻
Kudos to lamar for sticking to his guns about playing qb. He couldve caved. Hes a great example of why you dont let the haters take you off course from your goals. And now they all eat crow. Also how is acho even arguing against demeco being robbed??!! Worst roster in football. Rookie qb. Alsi had injuries. Dont act like half our onlineman were out the furst half of the year. The brownsn were a playoff team already. Demeco got robbed. Absurd.
It's wild LJ had to get 2 MVs to just be on Allen and burrows level. I guess that's overlooked and everybody has their own measuring stick...
@bcamm3100 even josh allen shoudlnt be in that group now. Hes never made a conference championship or even sniffed an mvp. Idk why the nedia loves him so much. Baffles me
@@nathanhundley5347he made a conference championship and went toe to toe with Pat. With a beat up defense. The ravens had the #1 defense who shut the chiefs out in the second half😅 let's add nuance and correct facts to our arguments.
What’s the playoff record though? Playoff stats?
CJ Stroud was in the MVP conversation. I’d take that over 5qbs
Exactly that’s why the coach of the year is stefanski
First time, I am agreeing with Joy
How? She the most on point on this show lol. James be on point as well. She always give solid takes. Like I ain’t never seen her not give one and I don’t agree with her all the time. But her points are solid
@@Hey37373she’s the most on point in general, but this one she is off on. How can we say Lamar is a HOF’er at this point? Kurt Warner won 2 MVPs in his first 3 seasons. He would have never made the HOF if not for his resurgence in Arizona, and it came with him surrounded with HOF level talent yet again. Lamar has a ways to go
It's 2 big reasons why I always agree with Joy.
He is not a HOFer...... sorry.... Jim Plunkett has 2 Superbowls and amongst the best records in the playoffs he is not a HOFer.....Lamar Jackson doesn;t move the needle for the HOF.
Lol we’ll see
Plunkett should b n HOF w 2 SBs
Oaktown n L.A.!!
Great deep dive. Well done.
Are you kidding me? Plunkett doesn’t have the numbers Lamar has in his first 7 years and won no MVP’s. Nice try 🏎️’ist
Joy is usually the one who’s always saying the right stuff but today she missed it with the coach of the year, Kevin Absolutely deserved it. This an award that you couldn’t go wrong with Kevin or DeMeco or even Dan Campbell
They need to talk about the hall of fame snubs too
Antonio Gates>Willis, freeney
Head coach of the year should have been between the winner of the Colts and Texans game and the Texans won. DeMeco Ryans should've won.
Crazy I was typing Acho probably the one who didn't vote for Lamar before Shady said it. Even they know sitting next to him how much he hates Lamar...🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
Acho is the only one on TV who ain't on Lamar's d!@&. He ain't been scrutinized on TV like Purdy. He needs the Manning treatment until he wins a superbowl. CMC or Hill deserved the MVP.
Acho can’t help it bro ! Just give him his 💐 today talk about that next season
This is the first time ive seen achos cohosts genuinely look at him like he's on something. Like he's house... all good acho we know you have to appease them with feigned objectivity.
Browns blew them boys out in season, then got blown out in playoffs.
He’s growing at a pocket passer 😂😂😂😂😂? What team they been watching did u watch the afc champ game 😂😂😂😂
Loser
I'm trying to figure that out.... Anyways the league isn't the same anymore.. two hands touch wildcats running offense
@@Henry18845 ur right sir
One game against one of the top pass defenses. How did Josh Allen do against them? You don’t know football🤡
@@nicklove3963 here you guys go trying to compare this dude to a quarterback that has taken his team to a AFC championship game as well. There’s no comparison, sir Josh Allen is a actual quarterback with wheels Lamar Jackson is a running back with mediocre quarterback skills.
None of them had the Browns in the playoffs and barely a 9 win team at the beginning of the season.. Then they make playoffs after starting 5 different QBs but somehow that isnt good enough to win COTY for them. Smh!
I don’t think they thought that one through if you have any expectations an win it’s like oh ok but if you suppose to win 9 games an win 11 I think that’s more impressive but hey who am I 😅
There is not a bigger choke artist than Lafraud. MVP Is now a joke award.
I can't stand how we just throw people in the hof now adays. It's crazy yeah he got the mvp and then lost 😂 these awards are jokes
exactly, like if he retired this year his numbers wouldn’t even be good enough for the hof
Why won’t you go out there and win some 😂🤣
He’s a first ballot HOF keep crying😂
Try and name another team or coach with five different quarterbacks in the season that would of made it as far as he did he definitely deserved the award .
The first time I ever thought Malika had something right to say!!
Ocho should have went to the break room😳💯
So what should Acho have done ?
@@HomerunsamSOSA Break room
the streets knew ACHO was gonna say they got it White... ahem ... right* lol
The MVP should’ve went to CMAC or Dak
I thought Ryan’s stole it from Stefanski Wild Card Weekend. That being said what the Texans did has been done before….and they did it with the picks given to them by the BROWNS……but what Stefanski did hasn’t been done before. If CJ Stroud went out for the year season over. The Browns beat both #1 seeds and swept the AFC South……the division the Texans won…..with some big money players out for the year. Over 25% of their roster. That could have fallen apart quickly….
This cheapens the MVP award going forward. You dont have to be a leader in any meaningful stats, if you have hilites, you are in.
facts! now they're just giving it to ppl who don't lead in any stats!
I agree. MVP is a joke
MVP is more about stats
ACHO is the only real
And let’s not forget, Tank was injured. I think Texans would’ve gotten further but I think next season, the Texans are gonna be lethal.
Bad take by Joy. I would not put Lamar in the HOF at this point if he retired tomorrow, and I have some doubts about whether he’s on pace for a HOF career based on his output
He only played 6 seasons so far he on the right track...all he needs now is a superbowl
There’s only 2 coaches that should’ve been considered Demeco and Dan Campbell both took their franchises that nobody thought would win a game
2 mvps he better than joe burrow and josh Allen only 1 qb done more an that’s Mahomes them other qbs haven’t done it especially Allen
No he’s not. He played much worse than Allen in the playoffs. Also Allen kinda owns him head to head so no Allen and burrow are better than him but mahomes is the best
@@Endzoneproductions17 he has 2 mvps what Allen has just sayin Allen good he just turns the ball over
He can have 5 MVP’s he ain’t better than burrow or Allen and don’t even mention him in the same sentence as Mahomes
@@eddydede4275 lol I’m taking the mvp and I’m sitting Herbert at 3 none of em won a superbowl Lamar has 2 mvps the others lowkey haven’t done anything but I agree with Mahomes
@@terryharris8228 has Lamar ever hurdled a defender
MVP is a player award getting to a Super Bowl is a team goal
4th and 5th tackles also..
How is the MVP awarded? Acho, you love data and stat's put up Lamars stat's against Purdy and explain to me how he wins??? Love how you guys say the voters got it wrong for coach of the year because it's not who you guys wanted to win.???
You neglected to mention that Purdy played against Lamar and Purdy got absolutely crushed. That put a signature on Lamar getting the MVP.
@startedfromscratch1529 can't win every game, Lamars on the couch were Purdy
@@carlotatonetti392 The conversation was about the MVP award, not about winning every game or who is playing in the Superbowl. It's a regular season award and when the race is close you give it to the player who makes a difference for his team. Purdy had a chance to play Lamar at home and got whipped. It wasn't a hard decision after that.
Nobody is critical of Lamar Joy stop the cap
They only criticize him. Everybody else they make excuses for
Dk bout dat1 brah...
They are but putting him over Allen is dumb
Some people are. Ask Mookie Jones
@@Endzoneproductions17what does Josh allen don
Coach of the year award should went to ryans. What him and cj did was unbelievable
That has been done before what stefanski did wasn’t dont before.,.GET IT.
Lamar in hall of fame with zero super bowl appearances is crazy
Shouldn’t have won mvp lol
Yeah Nah give it to Stroud
@@maskedman5657 ja17*
Lmfao Lamar a hof with 2 mvps smh this world coming to an end he a choke artist can’t be a hof 😂😂😂😂😂
You don’t have to win Super Bowl to get in the HoF plenty of ppl in there without one don’t diminish the MVP award likes it’s noting. Not a lot ppl
Won it twice let alone once. That’s HOF worthy.
@@ogbigblunts7280 tons of quarterbacks have won two or more MVPs and have one for Super Bowl and that’s the problem with you fans these days glorify single achievements when it’s a team game and you guys supposed to be winning Super Bowl I’d be mad at my quarterback if he’s winning MVPs but can’t win us, the Super Bowl, the big game the game that he held out to get paid for just to win season MVPs come on man since when is that been condone or people been contempt to win MVPs but no rings
@@ogbigblunts7280 and Brock Purdy deserved that MVP but he’s going to get a Super Bowl ring. The only reason Lamar Jackson was considered an MVP is because they beat the Niners. That was the ravens Super Bowl because they knew they weren’t gonna make it to the Super Bowl because they knew what kind of running back quarterback, they have a choke artist, and look what happened. His playoff record is two and five in his career that’s horrible. They need to change up the rules and consider the MVP after the season after the Super Bowl not just for regular season then that means Brock Purdy should be a Hall of Famer as well since he’s taking the Niners to a NFC championship game and his rookie year and then he’s taking them to the Super Bowl this year, and when he wins the Super Bowl, he should be considered a Hall of Fame
@@ogbigblunts7280 all he needed was one round to make it to the Super Bowl and he couldn’t even do that
@@ogbigblunts7280 a losers mentality. You must be a ravens fan.
Every player Joy mentioned has won a Superbowl. The only QB statistic Lamar lead was rushing yards. In the others (passing yards, TDs, completion % and QBR) he wasn't in the top 3 and in key QB stats (passing yards and TDs) he wasn't in the top 10. Purdy lead him in all these statistics and as a team SF lead Balt in scoring.
2 things to consider. 1. Does Ryans win 10 games with stroud only playing in 5 games? Like the browns did with Watson. 2. Look at the jets with an equal level defense as the browns and a wr equally as good as cooper along with a better running back than what the browns had after chub injury. Also browns losing both tackles. And the jets coach losing all those games compared to stefanski. Ryans was benefited from the organization drafting stroud and would have had a 5 win team with Davis or another QB.
Lamar won’t be a Hall of Famer with 2 MVPs and 2 playoff wins. That’s absurd to say that he’s on track.
This was also Peyton manning too, where did he end up???
He’s the youngest with 2 mvps that’s hof
They're saying if he retired now. But when he retires 8 to 10 years from now we'll see his full resume
You don’t know football
@@lsjmartin6220he ended up with two SB rings. lol
Clearly the NFL's MVP Award is an Equity Award bc if it were a Pure Merit Award it would have been Brock Purdys Award!
You mean CMC
They literally played head to head and Purdy looked like a little boy..
@@jessesmith7836he forgot about that
I agree. Purdy was the best QB this year. Lamar was the emotional pick.
@@jessesmith7836 Where's your boy Lamar? On the couch?
Every 2x MVP winner has won a championship, that’s a part of that HoF stat they don’t add. It would be unprecedented for Lamar to go his whole career without one. I wouldn’t say he’s automatically locked into the HoF as a result.
Ya’ll are ridiculous saying Lamar is a HOF RIGHT NOW. 2 mvp? Neat. The man averages 2600 or so yards passing with about 20 touchdowns per game and 1 more playoff win that Tim Teabow 😂
Facts