This Tribe Went to War For a Truly Disgusting Reason
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- I was reading a history book about Pohnpei called "Upon a Stone Altar" and it had a single page describing the four day purge they undertook before battle. It enthralled me so much I made this entire video based off that single page's prompt.
If you're disgusted, good! So was I. But it was still something worth thinking about, because war is stupid, but I think it's pretty safe to say so are we.
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Just noticed you started your channel on 12/12/12. I'm sure that wasn't by chance. Thank you for being you. Your dad must be proud of you and your sister! I hope you keep making videos for a long time, one of the best underrated youtubers.
I'm just here to say that Rare Earth was a great band.
This is indeed Rare earth. Evan & Kata, thankyou.
I mean, collecting the skulls of fallen enemies seems like a more obvious, less disgusting, display of power of your foe. But I'm no expert.
Shitting urself is more humiliating than just being killed
They coulda taken that one remaining ball?
People in isolation for long periods of time can develop strange habits over that time.
Silly Khorne follower
Nurlgle knows the best way to Immortality
@@Lockflynot really. Unless you're oddly insecure.
This is one of the best reminders that humans are FUCKING INSANE and none of the stupid things we do and say should surprise us
Speak for yourself 😶
Ah yes, human beings in general are insane because brown people still live in premodern times.
I will go on the record and say I possess both testicles and have never conducted midnight stool raids.
@@SyntheticFutureHe is got a point you now...
Well we're insane by our own standarts so who knows maybe you're the insane one
hearing evan talk about a ballsack scabbing over was the last thing i expected from this video
Better than if it never scabs though
@@RareEarthSeries Then the other one falls out
I bet rates of testicular cancer were lower than usual on Pohn Pei
Do they pick which one? I kinda get it… I only need one ball to reproduce but still… yall going to far…
@@thelukesternater
Seems too asymmetrical to me.
It would wreak havoc on somebody with OCD.
"taking no shit from nobody" was actually a disgrace in that island
It's was a "imma take all your shit" situation instead 😅
Sounds like a fun time living with such unnecessary worries
In a place with plenty of resources for all and nothing to fight over human beings still find a reason to fight. It’s like we are all masochists at heart.
Sadists*, few people are asking to be on the receiving end of war.
@@hungrymusicwolf Didn't watch the video, huh?
@@purvel launching a conflict is far different from defending yourself against one, and the nuances shouldn't be ignored just because you watched a 10 minute youtube video.
@@mars7304Thank you. Its always nice to see someone who doesn't go for the dunk on others but talks nuance.
And people think that the fact that I am an anti-natalist is something bad, unwarranted and "goes too far" 🤦
Humans mere seconds after arriving in a new location: "What if we all started doing the most insane thing ever that no other human outside of our culture will understand?"
Then thousands of years later they start trying to force other cultures to do it. Like with circumcision.
Hey what's that guy doing it looks like it hurts,😮.... 😎👍,"COOL".
At least most of them don't start attempting to spread that thing to all the other cultures... unlike with c*rcumcision
Women live pain, so the men have to invent tattoos, ball slicing, and poop wars in order to maintain their sense of worth and superiority.
Sounds fun count me in
3:12 Those are japanese Type 95 Ha-Go light tanks, if anyone was curious.
That tank name means poop in my language.. no kidding.. 😂
@@mandarhalbe9077 The95 Ha-Go was a stinking pile of crap, so that makes sense.
@@user-hl7nt1og7k It's a light tank from the early 30's, the American equivalent would be an M2. Ultimately it's close in design to the even older Renault FT. All this to say that it might not have performed well in the Pacific theater, but it was never some wunderwaffe and also already outdated in general
Yeah, to say it's a bad tank is wrong, actually. It was a perfectly decent tank, just well outclassed by the end of the war, shouldn't have been used so late. @@oivinf
Could you figure out the manufacturing plant and the name of the worker who bolted the third screw from left to right?
I just wanted to express my gratitude, as a Chuukese born, American raised dude. Your content on my people and history is UNMATCHED online. Thank you for ‘putting my people on the map’ so to speak.
If you dont mind elaborating, where is this to start with?
@@ryneagheilim9782 just abit above Papua New Guinea, West Pacific!
do you take shit from people 😂 , , i joke i joke 😅
I'm not sure that is anything to be proud of.
Pwipwi
Current warriors like to teabag their enemies in battle.
Only if they’re of equal status.
Only in pubg mobile
If you know, you know
These guys would have to teabag even harder, having only the one ball and all.
@@king0vitrial double time!
This is a lot like birds of paradaise, when in absence of struggle or predators the males evolve into status traits that actively worsen their chances of survival
maybe it minimizes the effects of overpopulation by becoming deliberately worse at survival lol
How?
@@nilstwestergaup3165Just look at them. Super long feathers that make it hard to fly, extremely eye-catching colors and patterns that make it impossible to hide. Probably more, Im not a biologist.
Right, they change. But that doesn't lower their chances of survival. If that were true, those changes wouldn't persist.
If they grow long feathers, it's precisely because they *don't* need to fly to survive. You're comparing them to birds that *do* have predators, which is silly.
@almightysapling It's called the handicap principle. Certain animals evolve a trait that gives them a disadvantage (like apeakcocks's train) because it acts as an honest signal of fitness. Basically, if a peacock can survive despite such a big handicap, then a peahen will be more likely to mate with them to boost their offsprings fitness (chance of passing on their genes).
But the selection can go too far to the point where it does harm the male's long term survival. Rhinos are an example. Long horns are selected for, but it puts the adult males at greeater risk of poaching. You see examples in species with antlers where the males will die because their antlers get stuck in trees or begin ingrowing into their skull.
The point of these traits is *only* to boost the chance of reproduction. Evolution doesnt care how long the animal lives after they pass on their genes, which is how they end up with detrimental traits that make long term survival a challenge. As long as the male lives long enough to have one offspring, it doesnt matter if their dimorphic trait results in them dying the next day.
(Sorry for the essay, i dont get many chances to use my zooloogy degree lol).
"There are a lot of reasons we go to war. Money. Power. Glory. Fame. But sometimes, I think all we are really trying to is just show each other who can take the most shit."
It's WWI all over again.
The penultimate example that people would choose to inflict pain on themselves rather than embrace boredom.
"Penultimate" means second to last. So what is the last example?
@@elektro3000 Japanese latrine man
@@Spookspek fkin shite😂
wait til they embrace climate change
Goddammit, Evan. No. I don't mind when you make me cry over rocks, but I'm not crying for this.
Well....Now that's a thing I can't unlearn.
what if you just, yknow, pooped before the battle??? seems a little extreme to poison yourself with raw meat and risk death even if you survive the battle. Humans are so bizarre....
Always smart to evacuate the bowels before battle
Yeah, that made me question whether all that is true.
Yeah or have an enema....
They may not have access to laxatives
me: hmm what video should i watch now for dinner
rare earth: M A N P O O P
me: perfect
The thing I remember about Pohnpei is that they have a pretty divergent language being from the larger Austronesian language family - I'd say that only Palauan is much more divergent.
What is the Pohnpei word for poop?
@@djquinn11pwuse
One of the things I love about this channel is your ability to contextualize in a few minutes cultural practices that seem *utterly* alien at first glance.
If someone had bet me that in a little less than 9 minutes they could make me understand why a culture would go to war to secure human shit, I would have taken that bet. And I would have lost.
Wow, war is shit.
"It was a traditional ritual that was meant to show respect, but also disrespect."
That's... the most "human" thing ever
"The population has never truly outstripped this land's fertility"
I'm sure with all the guys having only one testicle, overbreeding was never much of a concern.
Exactly! These bizarre customs saved them from overpopulation.
I don’t think it works like that…
When you lose a testicle, the remaining testicle increases production of sperm/testosterone to compensate. Your testicles are capable of producing several times the normal amount of testosterone and sperm, but they self-limit themselves based on how much you need.
@@weissfox5857 exactly. They come in pairs for redundancy, losing _both_ is a concern.
Interresting to know that even in good conditions violence still a part of human culture.
Kinda makes you lose hope that we will ever see world peace
@@v1x4570
It's like expecting praying mantises not to eat their mates. It's beyond what we can do. We are still animals after all
@@v1x4570 Thats only if you believe peace is the absence of force. Like all social infrastructure, you have to fight to maintain peace. Total pacifism is a lie sold to the gullible. You can avoid starting fights, but when they begin you have to be willing to end them one way or another, or take measures to prevent them, regardless of whether you started them or not. Otherwise the conflict will consume you and everything you ever cared for.
@@LancesArmorStriking Mantises in general don't eat their mates. It is a stress from being observed in non-natural habitat by researches triggered this behaviour.
@@user-nw8pp1cy8q
Then I can pull another example like it's expecting dolphins to not murder fish for fun- or like expecting crows not to pick up gerbils and drop them from heights.
Animals are animals, and no amount of intelligence will make them less violent in the span of 10,000 years. In fact it seems the more intelligent an animal is, the more likely it is to be sadistically violent.
well.. that was completely fu ... messed up, who am I to say though. Thanks for the craziest weekend opener I've seen or heard of in years.
On the contrary, I submit this is the ONLY valid reason to go to war.
"You said the peanuts in you're sh!t are bigger than miiiine!!? LET ME SEE!!" Lmao, too much.
Salute
@@democratictotalitariansoci1462 While the draft may be the real reason, I assure you the shallow social dynamics and status play is still at stake for those that get swept up in it.
@@dopaminecloud I was drafted during war in my country two decades ago, while neither our president nor his son even cared to wear uniforms.
yet today there are people who call that former president ''A hero'', dead soldiers are forgotten
"somewhere distant peacefully our vulgar princes sleep, dead kids don't get photographed god bless our dead marines"
- A Silver Mt Zion "God Bless our Dead Marines" (one of my favourite songs)
I genuinely love how this episode was written, awesome puns. And as usual great unknown topics. Your channel is a gem. Saying hi to to Kata from a fellow Hungarian: Remek amit csináltok, csak így tovább.
Living there back then must have been a living nightmare
Of all the tests and initiations to manhood that I've ever heard. This one takes it by far and beyond. Getting One of your nuts sliced off is brutal, I wonder who was the first guy to suggest that
Probably a guy born missing a teste haha
The literal definition of "holy shit"
A truly illuminating episode. Thank you, Rare Earth!
Humans, the one species to purposely make themselves sick so that their opponents do not get their poo.
Guy sharpening the machete.
Professional respect.
Well, as one saying goes, 'life is like toilet paper, you're either on a roll, or taking shit from somebody'...
Wait i shouldn't eat the hearts of my victims???😮
I never said that
You truly do go some strange places, Evan. Thanks for bringing us along.
Stuff like this really makes me wonder what the average lifespan was for these people, even if they survived warfare.
Routinely eating festering raw rat meat can't be good for the digestion.
Yea, practices of one-upping and shaming opponents has often taken bizarre and unexpected shapes.
First of all; thank you for all the great work and videos.
I fully understand how wonderful and amusing storytelling goes and you do a great job at it. Also, if that means bringing in bits and pieces from all over the area to make it more interesting and to add some context.
You’re showing a beautiful, less known piece of the world.
So, I do not mean this in a pedantic way. But, the thumbnail to highlight the video shows Kiribati warriors, who are on the far end of Micronesia and have very little to do with this story.
Then why do I need to bring this up?
Well… the Kiribati suits, weapons, way of fighting and navigation skills make for an amazing story of themselves. Which could be some great content for the future and is worth looking into! ;)
All the love.
It's the closest we could come visually, but I completely agree and would absolutely love to go to Kiribati for a season. It's just an issue of costs, flights, and time.
Thanks for the comment!
I think this has something to do with living in an easy environment, which is why you often find these bizarre rituals in the tropics. When you environment is abundant and provides every necessity without much effort, humans tend to go a little crazy trying to artificially create struggle for themselves. There are similar things, though they tend to manifest as psychological more often than physical, among the upper middle class in America. Bret Weinstein was just singing the praises of polar plunges for a very similar reason.
Conversely, in temperate areas with heavy seasonality, the people’s cultural focus is on frugality, stoicism, hard work, preparation for winter, dedication to thriving etc. as there is really struggle to survive woven into everyday life, no need to create artificial struggle. Wars are usually over land as land is the only way to secure your family’s continued existence.
Why don't people in paradises just focus on entertainment if they'r so bored instead of killing each other or creating other unnecessary problems for themselves?
@follet5347 That is indeed a very good question. If the answer is not clear to you, then you have a lot to learn about the broad varieties of human natures. We see the same thing around us every day; people living the richest, wealthiest, easiest and most comfortable lives. They spend their days picking fights with strangers over nothing.
@@jonathanfontaine2325 honestly if rich people want some kind of challenge and purposes for they'r lives then they should just dedicate it to helping people and improving the lives of the common folk by funding things that would be useful to they'r country like public healthcare and education and stuff
@@elishafollet5347 Nice of you to tell others what to do with their time and money. Do you do it yourself too?
@@jonathanfontaine2325 I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to spend money on themselves and injoy it I'm just simply saying that if most rich people on top wanted some kind of purpose in life then it would sure be great if they dedicate it to helping people
Social mores, especially those dealing with violence, are always deeply fascinating. Often times people like to find ways of othereing and alienating other people based on culture and customs that look and feel very foreign and strange to their sensibilities, where if you just take a few steps further into trying to think and understand those customs they all shake out to be, at their core, very human and understandable; I feel like Evan does a great job in showing that. After all, much as some of us don't want to admit it, if something is universally funny at a base level, why wouldn't it become important somewhere, for some reason?
I really like this series you're doing in the Pacific. It is an area that gets little attention but is host to many wild activates.
Dude i just simply love this channel
Good OnYa Matey 🤙😏 Have ALWAYS Loved Your Work🙏🤣 Cheerz
So, if soldiers shit themselves when killed in a battle, then a battlefield would be a very smelly place. Good to know
During WWI soldiers returning from leave headed back to the front spoke of the trench smell. Shit smells mingling with corpse stench. Dead horses, millions of dead soldiers, billions of diseased rats. Uncounted shell craters filled stagnant greet water mixed with mustard gas, toxic chemicals and moldering men. A very smelly place indeed.
@@revolutionaryhamburger that sounds like hell
@@greatexpectations6577 Hell on earth, the trenches mean death...
Remember Game of Thrones, season 7, episode 4? Bronn asks Dickon Tarly how he experienced his first battle. Dickon says it was glorious (or something along those lines). Bronn says it wasn't because men shit themselves in battle.
That intro has me hooked!!! Beautiful 👏👏👏
Finished the episode right now, absolutely beautiful! Again as always a great job at showing a different perspective on things. beautiful 👏👏
Imagine if everyone fought like this
Sick double entendre at the end Evan!!
Haha didn't expect to see Paul Pierce catching strayss in a Rare Earth video
So reducing two nuts down to one cuts down the recovery time to half when getting kicked in the groin by the enemy...get back to fightin' quicker!!!😆😜
Definite Advantage!!!😂
Yay, second video in a row for Ponhpei! ❤
The fifth, even!
@@RareEarthSeriesOh wow! Pohnpei related? I’ll have to search. I’ve watched all of the Micronesia ones.
Millenia of boredom in a watery desert paradise, ...may cause seems-a-bit-much behavior.
I have loved your channel since discovering during lockdown. And I have always wondered why the expletive you werent getting more views. Guess your older videos just werent shitty enough!😅
Please keep up the great work you two! Our lives would be poorer without you.
I had an really bad asthma attack once I was just at the point of going unconscious and as everything was fading in I shit my pants and at that moment an ambulance arrived and gave me oxygen. The moment I was conscious again I screamed I shit my pants it was that present in my mind.
This video really reminds me of the now long-gone, forsaken old practice we Dayaks on Borneo used to engage in. It was a means to prove one's worth to marry a noble bride or demonstrate one's might, aiming to become a noteworthy legend.
Headhunting activity was one of the requirements, especially if the victims were from tribes or people living in faraway places; it was as valuable as seashells to those deep inside the jungle interior.
In turn, these needless bloodshed would ignite constant, unending tribal warfare. Yet, in some odd way, nobody tried to contemplate why it persisted until the arrival of the missionaries.
Then this video comes in and gives me the idea that perhaps my ancestors were just trying to find meaning in life and accomplish something noteworthy, all while fulfilling their thirst for vengeance or bloodlust, thus making it part of tradition. This continued until our tribe gradually converted to the new Abrahamic faiths.
Always a pleasure to see one of my favourite youtubers talking shit.
Bravo. Well done.
I just have to wonder when will you tackle the Ona and Selknam massacres here in Chile. I really loved your vids about Chile :)
the losing a testicle bit was worse than the rest of the video. after you go through that, nothing you go through in a battle could be worse than what you've already done to yourself
I love that the quote at the end of the video is a double entendre
I feel like there has to be something I'm missing since fighting skill and status don't always go together, a group could break all the social norms to gain a tactical edge and conquer all their neighbors if the battles are the way they are described here and there wasn't anything else to the story. It doesn't matter if what you did is taboo if all the abled bodied men capable of enforcing rules are either dead or joined your plot.
Sometimes people just need a stupid reason to fight long-hold resentment.
Now I understand Loathsome Dung Eater.
I thought for a second that you were going to say they were raidng each other's manure/compost stores for fertilizer. Considering before the Haber-Bosch process way of making ammonia guano was the resource nations sent military forces to defend.
I suppose it would be untoward of me to ask what lunch was.
We still play those games with each other just not as explicitly... I can think of several times during the course of my life where I endured pain, even inflicted pain on myself intentionally just to spite someone whose M.O. was domination through the infliction of suffering. The idea is that if you can take the pain willingly, even happily (takes a lot of practice and is ultimately very damaging but I think it's our instinct to do these things) then it challenges the power of the ones inflicting it and eggs them on to really bring it. AKA go hard or go home, give me all you got, this is a good way to test whether someone is actually willing to go all in for that victory over you. I see it as they should have to earn it. And if they go as far as committing a grievous enough injury/murder then they end up losing status anyway, and alerting others to the fact that they're bad business/lack discipline. Some may see this as provoking someone unfairly but what they fail to realize is that they assume they have a right to act in ways that are condescending to others and if the others don't fight back then they deserve it so anyone with that mentality better be ready to get continually challenged and "provoked" And even the part about ultimately making peace with them and becoming "friends" at least sometimes... not all the time, holds true as long as humility and mutual respect is established. But if not, an enemy is just an enemy.
People living in paradise torturing each other. That is so human.
It's like I always say, "no pain, no ...
... no, pain. Please no pain." Not surprisingly I am tattoo free.
pft, i bet you even have two testicles like a PUSSY
Me too, lol!
You always find the best places
Brilliant stuff
Nice one Ev.
Thanks Phil!
I like your style of presenting :D
I know as anthropologists, the discipline kept trying to teach that we had to be unbiased in our ethnography because our worldview comes from an upbringing separate from the observed group's.... But I always said fuck that.
Minimal observer bias is really important when REPORTING on a culture, but empathy for others should always be your moral compass and guide through the lens of humanities, and I find it correct to call out fundamental violations of that when being candid or in service of human rights. I find war to always be a violation of that and should always be held against all people.
Cultural relativism is necessary while studying other cultures in anthropology, but it shouldn't be that you relinquish your own values when it comes to living life and holding opinions as a member of your own society.
It has been many years since I studied a few subjects on it back at university, but I've heard that the anthropology departments have been taken over by the sociologists. Certainly I have seen some stuff coming out from the field where they seem to practice more cultural advocacy over relativism and they will happily distort, remove and or reinterpret facts to push narratives over truth. Actually thinking about it, that seems to also be the case for a lot of other disciplines too nowadays!
Cultural relativism is a safeguard for stupid people. It isn't necessary if your values aren't derived from culture to begin with.
War bad?. Usa is the most warmongering state on earth. With the most guns per capita. What does that say about your culture.
Limited and measured cultural relativism
Or you will get idiots tolerating human sacrifice and child rape cause it's "cultural"
@@CountingStars333 I don't support the USA partaking in war and I likewise don't support groups in the US benefiting from war. I don't understand what you're trying to strawman me as, someone who is anti war but pro gun? Or because I was adopted by US citizens and grew up in the US, I must be a war profiteer and thus cannot comment in good faith about what I think is a transgression against human rights?
I am pleasantly surprised by this recommendation, seems like an interesting channel.
New crazy dungeons and dragons background just dropped.
> Doesn't include picture of poop from the war
> Includes TV footage of poopy pants anyways
There weren't pictures in 1500s Pohnpei, but Paul Pierce on the other hand...
Just wonderful 😊
8:40 The ending credits are gold. xD
Im saving tbe intro becuase im gonna find a perfect video to add it to
i like to imagine the development of poop technology like missiles in the cold war. "chief, we must not allow a poop gap!"
I was wondering why this island's name sounded so freaking familiar until I read that this is also home to the famous Nan Madol complex which is just off the eastern shore of Pohnpei (or Ponape, as it used to be named) This was part of the fabled lost continent of Lemuria (or Mu, as it is sometimes referred to.) So this island has a more interesting than being home to a group of warriors with strange fecal and alimentary proclivities. Still, it adds yet another layer to their unusual history.
Lemuria and Mu are inventions popularized by a Russian con-woman who believed ancient, telekinetic pure-race magicians spawned the world. Her belief system would later be repurposed by the Nazis, and is completely misunderstood by virtually all of its proponents today.
So yeah, kind of interesting. But Nan Madol has little to do with that beyond modern attempts to repackage her beliefs for a new generation.
missed you king
Ok that's a strong intro.....how do I not keep watching.
*_To Poop or not to poop... War is the question !_*
8:31 The end card on this one is pretty funny in a crappy way 🙂
Wish I could give this video a second like just for the end credits.
I lived on Pohnpei from 1990 to 1995 - and don't remember ever hearing about this.
You *were not lying* when you said this would be a silly one on Patreon. I laughed multiple times, Evan and Kata. You did a shit job! (in the Pohnpeiian sense)
So... does it mean that humans NEED to have somethign to pour their aggression into?
If the world is prosperous, we turn violent because there's nowhere to pour the aggression.
If life is hard, then we work better together?
North American Indians invented Lacrosse because they did not want to keep losing young men in battle...The same is true for Mayans or Incas who played ther latl latl game, and even the Olympic games were created so citystates could show off their prowess without resorting to killing each other...Boxing, ice hockey, there is a large number of ways to take out your aggression without resorting to killing...We STILL have to face the problem of overpopulation, tho.
I want to support your channel by hitting that "like" button, but sometimes it's hard to "like" stories like this. I may not enjoy it, but I know your stories are teaching tools so I grit my teeth and listen.
Teaching stools indeed.
I would have chosen a fishing contest or tuba making challenge. Nut cuttin n sh!t collecting is a tad much.
Salute
Why would they be looking for "undigested food" in their enemies gut, if the prize they're after is actually their enemy's "poop"....?
You got me interested. I wanted to know the reason, now I want to know more.
Probably the most interesting RE episode ever.
I watched this a few days ago and can't stop thinking about it. If you lived in that society and had the realization, we are all nuts with these crap crusades they are disgusting and awful! Then told people that. Everybody would mock you and then attack you. Basically tell you to cut that crap out or else.
If possible, it's always best to poop before a battle. Nobody wants to charge into combat while having to hold one in
So slightly similar to the Flower Wars? Minus the large scale sacrifice of course.
Any chance they might have been killing each other in order to prevent themselves from using up all the resources that "were so abundant"?
there at the beginning you almost listed off the five things that make the world go around, in no particular order, but as they were given to me
1. Money
2. Power
3. Fear
4. Sex
5. Hope
Had to pause until the WHAT??? in my head stopped echoing around.
the outro credit thou 🤣