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The Gaming Whales Have Spoken | Asmongold Reacts
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- čas přidán 27. 10. 2023
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*Whale* : "you can't judge me for how i spend my money"
*Also, Whale judging you for not spending money* : "you're broke"
"your* broke" 😂
@@cidlunius1076 you're broke is correct
@@mromzie It was a joke
Gotta love CZcams linguistic experts
@@mromzie whoosh
Ten years ago I used to play a Chinese MMO called Age of Wushu a LOT. Was a big player on my server and a very known name. The game started out not p2w then became more and more so as the game went on. Over the 4 years I played, I spent $2k ish trying to keep up with the whales just to stay competitive. My whole perspective changed when I met the top player, a guy from Singapore, he was a banker, and we chatted for a bit. He would casually say "Hold on im gonna drop $3k so I can get a few things" on the regular.
It really put into perspective for me that some people out there just have that kind of money. That is their play money, they won't miss it in the slightest. They wont even notice it's gone.
After that game, if a game has pay to win elements (that extend beyond basic pay for conveniences) I completely disregard it and assume it isn't worth my time as a gamer. It is a dangerous mindset when you are a competitive gamer and you think you can compete with these people if you just swipe a few more times. Find a game that respects your time and skill as a gamer instead.
Man, Age of Wushu was so good. I miss that game, no other game scratches the same itch.
They will miss it that's why they go out of their way to posture and proclaim how much they are spending.
@@TheNewtonFr no banker from Singapore can casually drop 3k on a game unless they’re a true deadbeat. Singapore has a far inferior economy compared to the US
@@ectsyhate to break it to you but there are millionaires and billionaires in every country, poor or not. Singapore is a thriving country and one of the most popular destination sites. Your comment makes no sense
@@ectsy singapore banking industry is very lucrative
You: "That's half a million dollars. That's a house."
Me: "Bro I live in Arkansas. That's the whole damn trailerhood and every acre of land within a 20 mile radius".
You can buy half of Pine Bluff with that and still have half a million left over.
A sturdy shed big enough is a house.
That’s a modest home in Denton Tx
Damn I'm moving to Arkansas!
The trailerhood 😂
Thanks for a chuckle!
“Every once in a while, they give you a potato.”
As an Irishman, I give this a thumbs up 👍
As a fat guy, I give this a thumbs up too!
@@rallyrobx7604 brace yourself… I am also kind of fat lol
Whale also takes business trips to dubai and loses women on yacht trips all the time while destabilizing our country in standers
O and the world has a problem with whales the world isnt trying to shame their rich for their lack of family values like muslim nations who are trying to influence our democracy
My Mum is from Ireland, my Dad is Englash and I live in England.
The other year on her birthday, I told my Mum I was going to buy her a takeaway of a traditional Irish dinner.
I then proceeded to send her nothing!
"it makes them happy"
Most addicts aren't happy when they're actively a slave to their addiction, they're just temporarily staying the crippling anxiety/depression, spawned from their addiction, that they live with as they try to chase that initial novel thrill they know they'll never feel again.
I think its pretty evident they aren't happy, these aren't the comments of happy people.
yeah, theyre huffing premium grade columbian cope
In reality they are talking about the gaming developers being happy from the whales keeping their income up long after the game copies have sold. Its all psychology u want Big Deek Energy, I can give u that for a price. The whales will oblige because it generates the feeling of rarity and power not attainable from no lifers. Most whales are people that have a high income that work a ton and cant play all day. So in return its like using your real world skills to catch up to no lifers. Who is really to blame now? people that have all the time in the world to 100 percent a game or the people working the 9-5 who can play one hour a night? OR the greedy developer trying to pocket the deficit? Its much deeper than some generic old story of drug addict looking for his next hit.
Exactly and that is why whales keep on whaling, it's not that they are addicted, sure some are, but rather they feel slight ir temporary sense of fulfilment
@@haruyanto8085 also sunk cost fallacy is fukken real for these people
if you spend 500k + on a game you aren't a gamer, you are the game the developers are playing! xP
Hahaha I love this. The whales are being farmed by gambling game devs.
This is the best description I've ever seen. 😂
Bruh they don't care. They have fun in the moment and don't get all aspie about implications or whatever. True freedom.
Yeah i don't mind spending money as long i having fun 😂.
Cows eat grass happily, ignorant of the slaughter house - they just really love grass.
For half a million you can become a shareholder of the game company. If you own ten percent of it, you can probably even influence the company.
Blizzard stock has been in the $90s since July last year, you could get over 5,500 shares for $500,000. The last dividend in August was 99c. You'd make $5K a year sitting on your ass just in passive income for the amount of money these whales blow on pixels.
@@lewisyeadon4046 I know. People are dumb.
@@lewisyeadon4046But is it gamey? Dopamine once a month or year on dividends only? Yuck.
@@DamianSzajnowski That's where day trading comes in, duh
@@lewisyeadon4046that's a bad Divenend yeild.
"If you're broke just say that".
If you're unskilled just say that.
Rich people build wealth.
Poor people throw money to look rich.
@@abadenoughdude300Absolutely based and red pilled. I don’t spend discretionary money on anything that doesn’t appreciate or BARE MINIMUM holds value.
$15k on a Rolex? No problem. $20 on skins? No chance.
Those games are not about skill its time gating content the free to play have to wait longer to get it for free while pay to play get to skip the wait both get the same thing free to play just grinding by logging in more has nothing to do with skill
the gambling/betting/casino industry is SO tightly regulated, it blows my mind that these "gaming" companies are still getting away with it.
My mom works in a betting office and they literally have to get ID and financial statements and talk to the bank and upper management of someone is trying to spend over a certain amount
gambling is illegal in Japan, they were replaced w games.
Very true
And gambling addicts don't even spend as much on the slots as people do on these games. Not even close.
You're right. Gambling addicts spend way more... lol@@ethanwilliams1880
gaming whales have been keeping bad games alive for so many years now
And for many years to come, unfortunately. Nothing will change.
Gamers have kept bad games alive and will keep doing it while complaining about others.
let them... more idiots busy with gacha games means less idiots in good games. its not like we had a shortage of good games with fair business models. there are way more crazy good games i want to play than i ever had time for.
@@tNuOcCaFrUmS It's impacting nongacha games. Whales are a blight on gaming. I'm old enough to remember when games were complete when you bought them. You could earn all of the content by playing. Now time is wasted with cosmetic bullshit instead of the shit that matters.
Whales have been keeping bad games alive AND making potential good games becoming bad whaling games AND forcing the creation of bad predatory games aimed at them for so many years now.
Fixed it for you :)
I remember my first experience with anything like this. It was one of those coin-op capsule toy machines at a store somewhere when I was a little kid. I saw something I wanted, asked for a quarter, put it in and turned the crank, and I didn't get what I wanted. That experience immediately made me hate gambling. I saw it for what it was. A waste of money. I am acutely aware of anything like this and avoid it like the plague. I don't buy lottery tickets, I don't play MMOs, I don't waste my money on anything I can't see. The worst I do is buy the little gatcha Battletech minis.
We need YOU bruv! There's a society of us, who will go to play a casher game, as a free to play, and set out to PROVE one don't NEED a thousand dollars to win the 1s and 0s competition 😂.
YOU are the type of people we WANT to see in these casher games! You HAVE the resolve to not crumble and give in to the casher model. You possess the patience needed to grind like a REAL person.
honestly the gacha BT minis aren’t that bad, especially since you can buy the packs that come with the minis that come in those packs separately
@@swizzamane8775 Unfortunately for you I also value my time too much. I would rather play a real game that respects my time investment to not have manufactured problems and flaws.
See, it's never a gamble with minis, just add them to the collection and use them lol long live battle tech
I'm an old FGO player whose mostly F2P except for guaranteed gachas and I realized early on that since they didn't have a pity system, it wasn't worth spending unless you were going to whale. So I just played the game knowing I can't have everyone I like. Overall, I'd say I had a lot of fun with the game. As a Fate fan, the story was pretty engaging to me even if I played on JP and can't read anything. The character designs are great as well. The only reason I stopped was because I got busy IRL and my muscle memory couldn't keep up with all the changes.
So, my advice, if you have self-control issues, steer clear of gacha games, however, if you can manage the FOMO, they can still be a fun experience.
FGO does have a pity system now. All you have to do is 300 pulls / 30 multis on the same banner to guarantee 1 copy (and then the "pity" stops). Yes, 300 pulls, even the pity is targetted for whales.
I've been a strictly F2P FGO player (literally cannot spend on the game because the microtransactions are blocked in my country), and I agree that the game is pretty fun without spending any money. I personally liked the story.
Sure, it sucks when you don't get a servant you want, but as a matter of fact you don't really need more than what you're dealt to see the singularities/lostbelts to their completions.
Especially if you're against Cerunnos. Jesus Christ I never would have thought that one of those "disposable" servants you can get on the free gacha could literally delete a boss that starts with 70% damage reduction by default.
@@magnaillusion6085 Which bronze did you use against Cernunos? IIRC brought a team of 4-5-stars and still had to use 2 leyline cubes...
@@thewhyzer I did the fight with Robin Hood, Boudica, and the support Castoria at the front. I don't remember who was in the back (aside from Mash of course), but I'm sure Robin was the only DPS I had for the fight.
Granted, I didn't come up with the party myself; I did follow a composition I saw on a CZcams video. But, even with my under loved servants, Robin was doing 500K+ damage per NP.
The more I watch this video the more this quote comes to mind “it’s easier to con someone than it is to convince someone they’ve been conned”
Would be scam in the con?
That also explains modern politics lmao
@@samfire3067you are the prime example of why its easier to con someone
Imagine going to the grocery store, and being required to buy Supermarket Coins and then going to the register and buying unmarked brown bags of "food" with these coins. You just wanted some milk and eggs, so you have to just keep spending more and more coins until you finally get them.
@@somethingclever4563 or just politics
“NOONE CARES IF YOU ARE MAD” then managed to write a literral essay about how not care he is. ICANT
Facts 😂
I think your google translate broke at the end there 🤔
ICANT is an emote, you're clueless
@@therealzizmon1748 🤓
@@therealzizmon1748 I think he meant the "how not care he is" part
There was a gacha that actually did what Asmongold talked about at 31:00 : It's a gacha called Brave Frontier. It was a regular gacha, pull to get your max star or rate up unit. Then came Brave Frontier 2, that allowed the player to buy ANY UNIT they wanted for the same price, while retaining the same system of free currency.
The game went under very, very fast.
if without pradatory system the game dies, its not a good game to begin with.
alt currency makes you spend more bc this item costs 900 gems but you can only buy 500 or 1000 gems so you buy 1000
It’s also the reason why they’re technically not gambling. You aren’t buying the rolls in these games, you’re buying the coins to play the rolls in the game, and thus not gambling with real money. This is strictly legally speaking, it’s still just gambling with extra steps.
The anger in the whale comments is from the realization that they can buy everything but approval from other people
If someone pays for a game or for an item in the game i dont think it is to get other peoples approval. i myself have payed for in game items and i do not GAF what or who you are,, so your approval or disapproval is totally irrelevant just like you....
@@michaelphillips721🐳🐳🐳🐳🐳🐳😅
I think they just want to be left alone to do what they want. I know I would if I had that money. Who cares what I do with it? "You are coping!", "NO. YOU are coping!" Both sides of this are idiots. Anyone who cares needs to get a life.
@@michaelphillips721 Mmmmm you don't care about anyone person in particular. But it's disingenuous to say they are irrelevant, because without them you would not be buying anything. Whales need krill after all.
@@michaelphillips721 Exhibit 1: Angry whale.
"as long as their happy." Is the most destructive sentence of all time.
people are 100% clueless now a days they live in there own little world
very few people now a days are aware of the world around them and how things you do do effect things and set chain reactions
like in this example of whales in mini transaction u might say its not hurting no one if it makes the whale happy then whats the problem .. see clueless they dont see the bigger picture if you let them keep doing that then game devalopers get the impression people like spending money on mini transations and there for creating more games pay to win.
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude Very true, everyone just lives in their own little world these days without any consideration for what's happening around them. It's a problem much larger than anything going on in video gaming.
can one american tell me why you are unable to use the words you're and they're correctly in place of your and their?
@@AlexeiX1 Freedom 🇺🇸🌭🔥
Positively.
Get out of your little sphere, Asmon. The world won't fix itself, and this defeatist attitude is possibly even more harmful than that of the whales.
The way is it today: Whale enters game I play.
Shortly thereafter: No longer playable, and there is absolutely nothing I can do, because whales move where other people move.
This is absolutely not limited to games either; just look at the hardware market.
32:32 I completely agree, because when games have an in game currency if a skin is about 50 dollars, they will make it about 1000 more in game credits than the 50 dollar value to try and coax you into either buying the 100 dollar value or at the very least you end up spending 60-70 dollars on said skin.
30:00 - You ALSO need to include RPGs into this...
eg: Oh well you need 100 of these gems to build an item to unlock this boss to fight (and each run needs those gems). Either grind for those... or pay me $3.
Then the BOSS has the random drops.....
Just imagine playing elden ring and when you die at a bossfight, a screen appear and tell you, would you like to skip the boss for 20$?
They would have made way more money lol
Its a bit different tho, you dont wanna skip on content, what you skip in bullshit microtransaction filled games is usually filler grindy boring shit
ea would do that, lol
All I meant to say is the sastisfaction of completing the game wouldnt be as meaningfull if something like that was in the game. I remember when I bought the 1st dark soul in the "used" section in a video game shop. The dude told me this game was hard and its why the person returned it. Came back like 1 week later, told him I made it to game plus+++. Whenever I hear someone tell he beated any dark souls game, I know he is a true try hard gamer and I respect that.
The sad part is that this would still be so much more ethical than what actually is in most of AAA games these days already.
First, let's not make it 20$, but make it 2000 "Bright Runes".
2000 Bright Runes actually cost 25$.
But wait, you can't buy 2000 Bright Runes, they only come in packs of less, which buys you pretty much nothing, or far more, at a supposed "discount" for the bigger packs.
Oh and ofc there are barely any skins to earn ingame, and most of the ones that are there, are just slight alterations and recolours - if you actually want to look cool and have visual progression throughout the game, you have to buy that too, with much higher quality and fidelity skins constantly advertised in the Store, with a distracting blinking/glowing icon with every new addition until you click into the store to see them - so might as well get the bigger packs, right?
And ofc stuff like Sacrificial Twigs to not lose Runes on death are on the store instead of just available ingame, for the benefit of the customer ofc - not everybody can and wants to regrind Runes lost on potential deaths after all.
And ofc all the Bell Bearings and the Twin Maiden Husk Vendor? That's all in the cash shop, and more.
/E: My bad, I forgot to add the game costs 70 bucks now, which is 100$ if you want to play the game on it's actual release date through a "Deluxe" Edition, otherwise you have to wait and go on an internet blackout or get spoiled. Oh and there is the 10+$ Battlepass. And the 30+$ Expansions. And the 15+$ Season Pass for all the DLC.
Enjoy the game! Devs have to eat after all you monster, and this game would have been impossible to make without these MTX. Our CEO certainly didn't get a multi million dollar bonus while firing half the company workers after the record profits.
Just wanted to add to asmond's point, about secondary currencies abuse. Say you want a season pass and it's 12$ worth of tokens but the closest pack of tokens you can buy to get the season pass is 15$. Now they have 3 extra dollars of your money just because of a secondary currency system that shouldn't exist. And you have a season pass and 3$ worth of tokens that typically cannot buy anything in the shop by itself. Leading to more spending down the road.
Best part? the next "usable" but cheaper thing cost $20, so even a purchase of $15 of Vbucks isn't enough (you are just short by $2); better go next tier of $25, but then you are left $8... let's add another $15 next so i can pay for that $20 Special Bundle, right?
Oh wait? The next tier to $25 is $50? and it's special offer gives an extra +$5 for a great total of $55 Vbucks? OMG! What a coincidence.
Better get used to pay AT MINIMUM $50 per month so I don't "miss" anything, I'm right fellas?
@@MalekitGJ50 USD? Why not just go for the 99.99 pack saying it's "Best Value" with a free extra more of the currency and a + 10x loot chest
As a whale myself yes i fucking HATE secondary currencies. Its one of the reasons I wont play Epic 7. To many currencies for summoning. Fucking stick to one and tickets for free stuff and leave it at that.
@@MalekitGJ and for those people that aren't just buying the super large bundles? You put in a daily store with at least one "cheap" thing to get FOMO for, and which so happens to be at a price that just so happens to *just* be enough to mean you no longer have that "buffer" to buy the next battle pass. Those "cheap" things on MTX stores aren't there to be "cheap and useful". They are designed to drain the leftovers of the paid currency to ensure that you have to overpay again when the next "big thing" releases.
@@yohasan308yeah I quit epic 7 because it’s impossible to get a character you want without spending an insane amt of money which I don’t have lmao, and the fact that currency is more expensive than many better made gacha games
If you can buy the skin outright, I have no issue with that, but if you need to spin to win, that's a different kettle of fish.
I think that Satan explained all of that perfectly to Stan in the Freemium isn't Free episode of South Park.
Just a reminder: “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” -Mark Twain
This is exactly why i don't argue with anyone.
@@worldzealot🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't forget; "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." -George Carlin.
Especially if they are large groups of stupid people with copious amounts of disposable income.
Never play chess with a pigeon it will shit over over the board and strut around like it won.
In Romania we have another wise words for this, we say NU TE PUNE CU PROSTUL, CA ARE MINTEA ODIHNITA, aprox translation "he doesn't fool you because his mind is at rest"
If Tectone spent 300k on Genshin, he's not a whale. He's a kraken.
He earned way more than that on Genshin, so actually he didn't spend anything, his viewers, ad sponsors and CZcams did.
@@Tyronom That's not how income works, lol
You can't prove that the $300k spent on the game earned itself back through ad revenue vs. how much he would have made playing the game F2P
@@Tyronom Your logic is so broken it may as well never been made.
@@ultimaxkom8728 His logic is fine. tectone needs content to get ad revenue and sponsors -> he makes crazy vids of him spending exhorbitant amounts of money on genshin impact -> he gets tons of viewers and engagement -> he gets more money from ad revenue and sponsors -> he makes even MORE crazy vids -> gets MORE viewers , etc etc. The logic is irrefutable and is extremely sound. I have no idea why youd say otherwise. You think MrBeast has an endless well of money and just graces the world with giving it away? lol Its a means to an end, not a singular active thing. Do you have any idea how much twitch pays for sponsored ads alone? its tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands per minute in some cases. Asmongold turned down a sponsored segment not too long ago; it was 45,000$ for 30 seconds.
how much to be an entire ocean then
Theres a new old saying "Spend as much time behind the computer screen as much as you can in your life, cause when you die you cant take the computer with you in the afterlife" 😂
The other thing to consider is that $14,000 is worth significantly less than it was even 5 years ago. Inflation is no joke, the US doubled, I'll say that again, literally DOUBLED the amount of legal tender in circulation over the course of just a few *months* during 2020. There are more US dollars in the world now, therefore they hold less worth. ($14,000 is still a lot of money, just not as much as it used to be).
And that $14k isn't always in a short period of time. If you play one game for 5 years and spend $14k that'd amount to $54 per week.
If you're struggling pay check to pay check then yeah, $50 at the end of the week would be a massive deal to have in the pocket. But if you're able to comfortably pay all your bills then $50 isn't much to be parting with.
$14k to save 200 hours not to play a game. . .
So err, 70$ an hour not to play a game?
With that sort of income, I can whale on art commissions instead.
math has never spoken to me on such monumental level before )_)
$70 is minimum price to buy a game too
@@cairomiravity what? no not all games are at thos prices i love farming games and thos are usely 25$ or 35
I could not play those shitty games for free haha
I recently discovered that mushroom hunting gives me the same joy as grinding gacha games. The joy of finding something that has value (mushrooms can be sold easily or converted to food) triggers the same hapiness. Gambling games are mindbreaking people and exploiting our nature to collect things there is no defending this predatory system, all games with microtransactions should be 18+, and treated the same way as alcohol, real gambling and cigs.
Where do you live where you can just find and sell mushrooms? 😂
Wild mushrooms can be easily poisonous and they look like the edible ones. Hopefully you never picked a wrong one.
@@nazume9 Yeah I suppose this would be true for people that start to learn collecting. The kind of mushroom that people tend to sell are very easy to identify though (penny bun and bolete in my case to be specific.)
Nice that you found something! Keep save and if you ever eat or process a mushroom you don't now, keep some of it. If it was a poisonous shroom, you better have some left to give it to the EMS so they know how to treat you.
@@nazume9 there are extensive books specifically for this
It is simple, start a game, set it up so that gaining power between level 1 and 20 is easy, and come with rewards that are great for the level. Level 20-40 are similar if you spend a small amount, then once you hit 41 or so it is a wall unless you spend big, make sure you have a few powerful players that are active in forums and chats that you keep powerful for free, so there are people talking about how it is possible to be competitive without spending much, just a little.
It works the same way as any other addiction, the first few are free, oncr hooked it gets expensive.
He contradics himself 15:50 about not to get angry at developers but their managers or company 😮
I miss the days where discovering and unlocking things through game play was part of the fun for most games. Now that sort of thing seems to be the exception most of that stuff got moved behind a pay wall.
You just ignore indie developers. That experience never went away all you did was hyper fixate on large companies.
@@badger_ninja8681 I do play some Indie games but I am probably over focusing on big releases. Still it shouldn't be just Indie games.
@@clinton4161 it's not it's also the AA industry
@@clinton4161 indies are also not as restricted as they were even 5 years ago.
It's not all terrible in the AAA scene either, we've had some great releases in the past few years like elden ring, god of war, baldur's gate, tears of the kingdom etc. that are all complete, amazing packages. Lots of the industry is giving into this P2W crap but as long as we show there's a market for great games and support them with our dollar, I think they will continue to be made.
Whaling in a competitive game is like bidding on an auction where the item is imaginary.
Think they call those NFTs
@@gigaclowni was about to say that. Bingo!
Bidding on your own item to artificially drive up its price and perceived desirability.. Sounds like Apex skins
The U.S. justice system is paid to win. The more you spend the higher chance you'll win. Gacha is the same.
"Maple syrup if your in Canada" LMAOOOOOOO
Most I have ever spent on a video game was like $300 over a period of 3-4 years on rocket league crates… and you are absolutely right. Gotcha scheme. Since then I will only spend money on something if I KNOW what I am going to get, instead of gambling on the hope to get an item I’ll just buy in game currency and trade for the item but at that point, depending on the item, it takes the gun out of obtaining the item.
I believe it's just a matter of perspective.
Grindy gamers make fun of whales who waste money, whales make fun of grindy gamers who waste time,
casual gamers make fun of both for committing too much to a video game,
non-gamers make fun of gamers for not being productive or not contributing to society whatsoever.
It's funny that a whale would make fun of someone for spending time on a game lol
@@tomfoolery7797 Yeah, depends on the game though. Some mobile games can get extremely time consuming and grindy without microtransactions.
And I make fun of all of them for wasting time making fun of each other
@@KHarrowJPyeah that's by design. A good game is not ultra Grindy with MTX to take that grind away. A game with both those features is artificially funneling their purchases and is therefore shit.
@@tomfoolery7797 And it's equally as funny grindy losers like myself would make fun of a whale for spending their money on a game.
They used their time to make more money than me, and then spent money on the game. Either way, we both wasted time (and potential money/productivity) on a video game. So it is what it is, I'll enjoy my time my way and let them enjoy their time their way. Time's more valuable than anything else we have anyways.
I gotta say "pocket watchers" is a top tier slur.
It's clever enough to work both ways. Well done whales.
That’s a classic term for people who always cried about other people who had more money than them. I love that it fits so perfectly here. Bunch of a weirdos making endless videos crying about people with more money than them
@@kuntakentay6969found whale lmao
@@kuntakentay6969And youre hurt by them
@@kuntakentay6969 One must find a way to take their mind off the harpoon in their side, it would seem.
@@kuntakentay6969 The issue is that, and what most whales can't recognize, is that even if you're wealthy and have the money - That doesn't make a bad spending habit any less bad. It's still dumb, and it still hurts yourself and other people. It doesn't make it any less of a gambling addiction.
It goes further than that, though, since people in this category always assume that other people have similar spending habits, just on... something else. But that isn't true. Most people aren't going out drinking to a bar/club. Most people aren't eating out regularly. Most people don't have hobbies they dump money into. Most people aren't doing drugs. Most people aren't paying for fap material. It's always a tiny percentage of people. Hell, most of us aren't even paying for streaming services for entertainment, or even paying the full $60-70 dollars for games. We're waiting for sales, watching things for free, and at best sharing/splitting accounts with other people.
The problem isn't that you have the money. It's the problem that you can't accept that you're not the norm. It's the inherent selfishness of brushing off the fact that your actions hurt *most* people that don't fall into your small demographic. Birth RNG skews towards poverty, that's by design.
5:00 THIS! Game developers need to get a clue, but I know they won't.
Not gonna lie a couple years ago i was in between moving from 1 house to another and didn't have wifi. Got addicted to the mobile gotcha "Rise of Kingdoms" in a year i spent almost 15k on this game and it was just to keep up with my clan. We had a couple guys in over a 100k and the rest of us were at about the 10k to 20k mark in a year. I still regret that shit to this day.
in-game currency also forces u to spend more than you need. like if an item is sold as 120 tokens in the game, but u can only buy 100 tokens or 150 tokens package, you have to at least waste more money to buy 150 tokens, spend 120 tokens for the item you want and then be left with 30 tokens u bought for no reason.
Exactly what I hate the most about those in game currency, now I know how that works cause I'm 21 but when I was younger playing LoL and rarely buying a skin, I would hate seeing the left over money and always wanted to get a thing with what I had left, but nope you'll need to buy more if you want something, and you'll still have left over ingame money, it's a really bad thing
@@cczsus6513 I never bought a second skin for a character too (I think I bought champion on LoL because I was young and thought it was too long to farm) but like seeing some leftover Riot Point felt strange, I just think it's wrong having an in game currency that entice you to spend more and more instead of just showing the price in your local currency
Well, just but 6 of the 100 tokens one and buy the item 5 times 😂
I have a friend who could afford to spend $1000 a day on a mobile game easily. One day he snap out of it, he said to me : " This is stupid, I spend money to finish the game earily and now I got nothing to do and need to look for another game.".
And that's how it should be. You spend money on one thing, master it, then move onto the next. At no point is your home fully complete to where you never purchase anything for it again as long as you live in it. At no point do you ever purchase different meals at the restaurant you usually get one or two things at. See how stupid those last two sentences are? You don't spend on one thing and expect it to satisfy your life. You move on and spend on another and another. It's called living. Invest and dedicate to one thing after another so long as you're satisfied.
@@icraigs9438thats just mindless consumerism
and theres so many better places to spend that money
@@moedark4390 where to spend money is a matter of opinion. The next meal you're going to eat.. It would be more beneficial if you sent it to a poor location. Will you? Hell no. Because it's your food and your money.
@@icraigs9438 Except video games are supposed to be entertainment, not an investment, The goal isn't to finish as many games as possible as fast as possible, it is to actually play the game and enjoy it.
What a ridiculous comment.
honestly the best way to combat this is to just not play the game, or never play online mode. Let the whale fight for each other, but then peeople are always too dumb
ESO is a major contributor to this, so many quests locked behind a $20 each paywall.. there is like 20-30 quests locked.
That story at the end hit me close to heart, I see children in my family playing these gambling games dressed up as children games.
I brought up the topic to their parents.
They said I was exxegerating, they see no difference between any type of game, a game is a game in their eyes, what's important is that the child is busy and not bothering them.
Meanwhile my country in general has very loose laws on gambling allowing these kinds of games, we will see the price of that later down the line.
U in Holland?
@@ZaaggastkichAmerica. According to the law here "loot boxes" aren't gambling via technicality.
@@jojogodtierThat is only because for some reason companies are allowed to lobby the government
Hopefully they’ll see the problem after their kids max out their credit cards on loot boxes.
I hope in 5 years they are illegal anywhere in the world or 18+ only and mainstream app stores won't accept them. Laws are slow to catch up with the fast paced internet world.
The 25 cent toy machines in stores, is really the first thing kids learn gambling with.
That is literally the Japanese Gachapon machine that gacha games emulated into browser games and MMOs in the 2000s.
There also used to be bags of chips you could buy which had "rare" cards in them and kids would bring them to school and show them off. TV adverts sold us about how rare these cards were and even the crisps advertised themselves in a way that every packet had a card which could potentially be rare. The rarest one was the mascot of the brand, a crocodile ninja with a battle staff. I would often buy these chips just so I could show off rare cards in school for attention and validation even though I didn't like the actual chips themselves. One time a kid had the rarest card and he showed it to me and I couldn't believe that the rarest card actually existed.
@@zekun4741 my country once had bag of chips with real money inside
oddly enough didnt hear about any scandal
probably cuz people didnt believe that shit
They're $1 now, but you're right.
@@raynorreynolds8121 damn kids need to be rich to afford those pulls
i'm so happy that i've never spent money on any game past the purchase price. the practice of whaling is so far removed from my normal psyche that i didn't even know it was a thing before i started watching Asmongold
the CoD Mobile guy could have gotten one of the best PC setups money could buy, headphones or a surround sound setup to make it as immersive as possible, gotten a giant TV or monitor to play games & watch movies on, and then had enough money left over to buy most if not every Call of Duty game ever made.... Or he could get some cool looking skins for a FREE mobile game on his phone that'll probably lose support in 3-5 years... I don't know why he thinks other people are angry at him for burning his own money, but it is pretty funny nonetheless
Edit: I like how he talks about "looking fresh" and "server costs" despite the fact that many of the people you run into on CoD Mobile servers are actual bots, not even real people. Bro is looking fresh for NPCs and covering server costs inhabited by them as well lmfao
Whales and Peasants in f2p is a very good study of Divide and Conquer technique. All the hatred directed at each other. Yet they both play the game while the devs pocket the only currency that matters.
Underrated commentary.
Well thats just human nature in a nutshell, its a never-ending loop of mankind
greed is the most dangerous human condition. it is why everyone becomes corrupt when they have money and power.
that first guy, oof.
"LEAVE THE MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALONE, KID"
"How dare you entitled people call billion dollar companies greedy for their microtransactions!! They need money to survive!!" Literally seen whales say this stupid shit,they act like we just feed ourselves air and sunshine SMFH
I spent 2 dollars on Candy Crush once, I'm still upset with myself for doing that.
I love these videos where the premise is "i don't care" but the person is clearly emotional right from the start.
In 5 years they’ll be selling aimbot for 99.99$
I don't think they want to invest time to make anything.
Better : Put it in the lootboxes
They already are. Tf2's bot hosters went down for a few weeks because the cathook dev was struggling irl and wanted money to keep updating.
That's right, fools are paying money to host virtual machines on foreign servers 24/7, and paying another developer to make their bots, just to have a virtual shark patrolling public games to ruin people's matches. Evil whales.
World of tanks has been selling "premium ammo" for over a decade by now.
@@adahepper2665that hasn't cost gold in years. I'd focus more on their loot boxes
It’s interesting to see the correlation between actual casinos and gacha games. Flying out whales and enticing them with looking at the development of said game, taking their input into consideration etc. is really not different from casinos telling their waiters to serve that one guy whatever he wants and housing that dude into the best suite so he can come back to the slots immediately. It’s the same stuff. Just siphoning money of those rich dudes who suffer from an unhealthy addiction.
Not every whale is rich.
@@DIsturbios1234that’s the extra sad part lol
You can also play casinos really easy that way if you're not loaded with money, just be in a good suit and walk up to an ATM and take out a good portion of money(that you won't even use) and most times you're instantly targeted for comps
Between Mobsters,FarmVille,Black Ops 3, Clash Royale and Pokémon GO I’ve spent around 20k. That’s over the span of like 12 years and I don’t play any of them anymore…
He said he was a pizza delivery guy. He definitely made 30k by 20. I put a down payment on my first house at 19 years old being a pizza delivery guy in 2009. 40 hours of delivery a week is easily like 35k or more.
I'll tell you this, I don't think our parents had anything like this when they were kids, this is a new type of evil.
It wasnt on this scale. But as a kid i would go to a local arcade. Some games always had the same people playing them all day long. Arcade owners treated these people like royalty.
Gambling was 100% a thing. The difference is in regulation. Kids couldn't sit down and play the slots at the casino like they can with the gacha games.
@kragor420 You'd still spend less playing arcade games all day than you would for a night at the bar, so it's not really the same. You get the benefits of actually going out and socializing, unlike gatcha games. I've spent $200+ on whole days at the arcade and never felt like it wasn't worth it, the experience was worth far more than any microtransaction. That's the real reason these whales look like complete idiots, they're just funding their own antisocial behavior and emotional dependency. They have all that money and they can't even avoid being manipulated into a miserable lifestyle.
You damn right
My dad was addicted to arcade Mario in the 80s 😅
Starving wife w/toddler's in the background: "Honey... please... the kids haven't eaten. Please stop..." 😭
Average EFT player above the age of 25. You have no idea how many negligent "fathers" I have encountered in the official EFT discord, who will legit ignore and/or get irritated at their own wife and children over the mic for trying to talk to them. And people wonder how the idea of the "toxic male gamer" came about and became weaponized by "Progressives"...
I hate the "woke" mentality that all gamers are "toxic males" as much as everyone, because it _is_ mostly false. However, the shooter and "live service" genres are the exceptions that are filled with those kinds of scumbags. Stereotypes always have a _speck_ of truth to them - is it why they are stereotypes in the first place.
Most of the gamers who grew up playing games in the golden age of the '90s and 2000s don't understand this problem with modern playerbases, because they grew up in environments where "toxic" people were just trolls and joksters who _everyone_ knew were not to be taken seriously. They are too old now to see how bad the communities of shooters and "live service" games actually are today, and/or are too blinded by their nostalgia of the past to acknowledge it.
A lot of people these days are the kinds of parents that _shouldn't_ be parents, and for some reason these jackasses congregate the most within the shooter and "live-service" spaces.
“I’m not a needy little crybaby,” proceeds to write an essay how the video hurt their feelings
The hard truth is, if 100k for them is like 10 bucks for you
In a world where everyone wants to just fit in gaming provides an escape, but when that escape becomes more IRL and finds ways to make people feel like outcasts and brings in the "have and have not's" we will soon find out that gaming is no longer the escape it used to be and now virtual realities allow the "High school" mentality to extend forever.
the high school mentality is just basic human existence, its when things get hard that people tend to rise above the pettiness of humanity in order to survive but once society rests on a comfortable balcony, the 'high school mentality' rises to the surface once again.
epic response, I really like/agree with this.@@Shiirow
To someone like me, who never cared about fitting in this comment looks like absolute bs. If you care about fitting in that much then I pity you.
You know that no one can compel you to play a game with basically unethical business practices, don't you? All you have to do when you see a gacha game or p2w game is just don't play it, that's how you win.
I actually find it interesting when people claim that they dont care about fitting in or what people think about them. You are part of the very small percentage if you actually think and live that way. @@TearThatRedFlagDown
@@CocaCoca44 What's interesting about that? We're watching Asmongold, I'd say that he's like that.
Well, it's not like I claimed to be a majority, the people around me pretty much prove to me that people like myself aren't very common.
But for me it's genuinely hard to imagine actually caring about what people think of me or worrying about fitting in. Maybe I'm just an autist.
One thing I really enjoy in life is winning against a whale.
It's a particularly satisfying experience.
And usually you can witness the intense frustration and saltyness of the whale.
It's just so good.
I stopped playing Raid a while ago, but my whale killer PVP team is still in Gold 5 because my comp isn’t common and the whales don’t know what to do. I logged on the other day and had 28 wins against the same whale in a 10 min period. I can only imagine how pissed he was to lose to a FTP rare and epic team, to his multiple $10k + teams. So, satisfying.
@@lordchaa1598 On Fire Emblem Heroes you can see the absolute desperation in the person way to try so hard to salvage a critical mistake(like losing a queen in chess).
One time the "whale" was literally playing like his life was on the line.
What used to be a 2min fight became 10min of careful thinking every move.
With not a single commitment. Only trying to bait me in making a mistake myself.
But I am not dumb, and I can tell you I was overly motivated to hold on till the very end to this sweet opportunity to win against On of the most disgusting team I have ever seen.
These people are disgusting. And trust me, on Fire Emblem Heroes you can clearly estimate how much money they have invested in their ridiculous teams of dozens of multiple merges for each characters and skill slots(per characters).
It's truly disgusting.
That one made my day(among a few others) . It's definitely one of the most pathetic thing to witness.
at least they support the devs lmao@@KSpartan
Well most of the time whales are trash, that’s why they need to throw money at the game to gain an unfair advantage over others.
@@DJezdic Of course, but the one from my example definitely knew what he was doing. And that probably why he fought so hard to salvage his blunder.
And I figured i absolutely needed to secure the win.
Like I said, we can see when someone actually knows how to play, whale or not.
I could barely win because of one mistake he made. Otherwise it was unwinnable.
But yeah, most of them are usually trash.
I wonder if Vegas is concerned about the gamblers finding a new playground.
I love how they're like "some people waste their money eating food which they need to live, i spend my money on pay to win video games"
As a former summoners war player, I know all about Whales. One in particular said if you aren't spending 5k a month you're basically free to play in his eyes.
4k a month is free to play lol.
No one mentioned it, but I still remember when there used to be spending limits on gachas. Players (mainly whales) were the ones that fought hard against it.
The divide between the pro-microtransactions gamers and anti-microtransactions gamers was really effective at making sure only the former had a say in how microtransactions evolved, because they were the only ones at the table.
This is about to change though. More and more we're seeing gambling laws actually target video games.
I think Genshin has that, and I would assume Honkai too since it's the same company
Likely obliged by law, I'm not sure though
@@Psycorde Rates are to be available by law in some european countries. Making it extra easy to read is on the dev though.
Not Bao the Whale? 🐳
i just wat to point out, its almost never the Developer that puts in the microtransactions, but almost always the publisher forcing the Devs to put certain things like that in the game.
In Pokemon Shuffle, there's a pop-up that says there's a limit to how much money you're allowed to spend on the shop each month. I feel like that should also be a law here, in addition to the two that you mentioned. Deception and exploitation should not be allowed at all in games.
...or just "Windfall Tax" anything above that amount instead of enacting Prohibition on it ...use the money to rebuild our collapsing western society
and one of those pokemon side games (picross maybe) once you had spent 40 bucks worth cumulative on microtransactions it just unlocked everything in the store permanently as you had essentially paid the price of a full game.
I actually think there should be some kind of law in place that prevents games from having the ability to charge that much to begin with. There is no reason it should cost $1000+ to get everything within a game in the first place. If you've reached the point where you implement a monthly spending limit, you should really take a look at how you've developed your transaction system.
@@lo4trIt’s there for the 1/10th of a percent of people who will actually click it. The games are developed with those players in mind specifically, and then they model the f2p model around the paid system so that playing for free takes forever, and paying will take away arbitrary cooldowns or farming paths.
My only issue is minors shouldn't be allowed to gamble, it doesn't matter if there is a limit this should not be on a kids game.
If an adult wanna spend 300k on a game that's their problem, it's still dumb but it's their problem.
Over the past few years in the US, the FTC has actually been looking into loot boxes and similar mechanics in regards to seeing if it's gambling like mechanics are something that needs to be regulated especially within games played by kids. I do know they had a panel regarding it last year or possibly earlier this year from what I've read on the FTC website but not sure if they made a decision on anything yet.
The problem is that our government is made up of people who don't know how to use a computer, so none of this makes any sense to them. Also no, I'm not just talking about the politicians, have you seen the websites?
Theyve been getting lobbied for a while now ever since the game industry transformed into the passionless corrupt profit pursuiant that it is. So it won't happen especially since gambling in games(and any game issues in general) will all become unimportant compared to the destruction and economic devestation that will sadly be soon unleashed upon humanity and our froobcake planet. That's not mentioning the natural(natural & "natural") disasters also coming within this decade.
@@TomasVorik-qz2lw actually it's depending on what they're going after and how. For some of the things such as Tapjoy not providing promised rewards or not clearly stating the terms for getting the rewards. Or with Fortnite and the deceptive way they had players unwillingly make purchases due to the icon for making the purchase being obscured and difficult to see ( not exactly sure what or how this looked like since I never played Fortnite. Netease has already had to deal with the SEC at least twice over the years one being the falsification of actual earnings they submitted one year while the other involved all companies based in China that are in the NYSE. Which involved then being required to submit all financial records for the SEC to go over, which in the past the companies used china's national secrets as a cause for avoiding this and that such investigation will compromise them. I'm not 100% sure the outcome but it seems like they had an independent third party US company go over their books as a compromise. Other companies abandoned the NYSE and started looking into Hong Kong stock exchange. These 2 regarding Fortnite and Tapjoy were a success. It's more been in going after companies for certain anti trust violations or what could lead to such violations. For instance no violation had been done by Microsoft regarding Activision Blizzard. It was the concern or fear of such violations being done by Microsoft owning the company.. One being that the games are exclusive to Microsoft consoles and other products. Long before this, the FTC only has a history of 25% success rate regarding these antitrust cases involving a larger company taking over smaller companies. Even though Netease is doing the same thing, as far as I know they're not under investigation for it. There's other anti competition/antitrust laws that are a bit easier to prosecute which the ones harmed by the violations can be awarded triple in damages from a lawsuit if they win. Such violations being various scams such as bait and switch scene, failing to provide all promised rewards for winning promotional contests (such as the monopoly game that McDonald's did), price gouy and price fixing to prevent competition or to over price goods of low quality, hidden fees being charged for some products are considered a violation of these laws, and in making contracts for exclusive rights to the materials or products of one company or industry in shutting off access to competitors falls under this too. False advertising I believe also falls under this but I could be wrong this.
As for the situation regarding loot boxes, it's a certain senator, forgot who, had been bugging the FTC the past number of years to look into them. I believe it's only just recently they actually started doing it.
@@TomasVorik-qz2lw as for gambling in games, it depends on the circumstances. There's definitely going to be something done if it involves in game currency or other items being sold through RMT if the game has gambling mechanics. That's why many of these games claim to have rules regarding RMT between players involving the game and banning some. However even these companies, Netease included will ignore these violations being done by certain players. This also goes beyond the RMT violations but even if it's reported with video evidence of botting behavior or the use of an exploit. Either of which has had players being banned for doing the same thing. Instead the devs have ignored the reports on these players. There's also the issue of these gambling mechanics being accessible ito not just children but in some games designed for kids to play. This was brought up after a number of complaints by parents regarding how easily their kids were able to make purchases in these games and the large amounts being spent on the purchase. In this circumference they're looking at requiring additional label for games that involves microtransactions in warning parents that the game has this mechanic or gambling like mechanic in loot boxes. While also banning such mechanics from games designed for minors. Both of which I believe would have a high chance to be put in effect in the near future. It's more of the loot boxes involving structures adults that would be the most problematic. However in part there's certain things that were not brought up which is only partially caused by the monetization and loot boxes but I personally feel that with the current state of the industry and the way it's going currently. Has a high risk of another crash similar to what occurred in 83. Circumstances maybe very different than back then but the end results of various key factors are showing some presence. Lack of trust in the quality of the games being published is a big one, heavy saturation of the market especially with so many clones of games being made and even more esse in putting them on the market with online stores than back in 83. Even the consoles have loosened up on the requirements for a game being launched on their systems;when working at Activision as QA tester. Some of the tests done were from a list of what was required for games to pass when tested by console companies. who charged thousands of dollars for each time a gais tested and the reason why they had us running the testsfirst to which it had to pass before being submitted to consoles. I had to do these tests once and it's a very long list of multiple pages which includes the button functions on controllers for in-game menu such as X to select and circle to cancel or go back for playstation consoles are a requirement if I'm correct. In games being released for consoles that are heavily buggdd or even incomplete/non functional upon release. After years of such companies as Nintendo being very big on the quality of the games for their systems. It's not just the devs and publishers at risk of losing the public's trust but the consoles themselves. Especially with Nintendo who set a lot of these standards with the NES which was a key part iin saving the industry 2 years after the crash.
Won't happen. The U.S. has the worst consumer protections in the developed world for a reason. Politicians and bureaucrats are entirely subservient to the entities they're supposed to be regulating.
Loot boxes or slot machines in video games should be FREE ways to get random items. While the people who really want those items should be able to buy them directly from the store.
BG3 and AC6 were a blessing. No micro transactions, no in game purchases, just PLAY THE DAMN GAME AND GET NEW STUFF.
"I know I'll win if I spend enough money"
And then we smash cut to this man's legion raids in Lost Ark.
I used to be a whale. I spent all up about $15 on Clash of Clans back in the day. I still think about what that money could have done to this day.
😂 coc the only mobile game thats manged to get money out of me. That gold pass imo worth it.
Our gm in a gatcha game was a whale and he was one of the nicest guy around, he never disrespected f2p players and always helped everyone as much as he could and never bragged about how much he spent on the game. Not all of them are like these people on the vid. Of course people like myself can't relate because we don't have 15k just to spend on our hobbies but they do and I don't have a problem with it, it's their money.
1 guy out of 1000 other whales, is not a good ratio 😂
P.S. that number pulled out of azz because none of us are going to know the REAL ratio, as NEW cashers are added to these games each day. But the point still stands, the small ratio of "Nice guys" is NOT enough to counter the whale problem in games
(Btw, you want a community of "nice guy" gamers, join Miners Settlement. My experience there, the nice guys SMOTHER the a-hole cashers until they are banned from chats, and more lol.
he just a guy try to get every f2p stay to the game so every pennies he put is worth it, not because hes nice.
Pocket watchers was the coolest thing that dude said lol. That's an old hip hop term. Like you worried about someone's else's money and spending, watching the money come and go out of his pocket when you should just focus on your money and getting that up. Instead of spending energy on what someone else is doing. 💯💯
The first step to handling a gambling addiction is realizing YOU have a problem. Nothing changes if someone realizes it for you, you have to accept the blame for yourself.
i do have a problem, i have had it for YEARS, yet i still do this kind of crap, i know its bad.. i still do it. why? how can i stop myself... i have free money, i just throw it away like a pethedic simp...terrible but thats what i do...
games got me in bad, over 20 years noone really stopped me so i just keep doing it. throw a few grand at a game day one cause i think its cool then never play it again...done that many times... stupid but why i stil doing it? i dunno... my brain is fukd up... i do ned help but i cant get help......
@@CCCPWarHammer How do you have the money to do that?
@CCCPWarHammer it might help if you find a way to distract yourself.
Find something you enjoy even more than gachas.
For me I got into an mmorpg, now I've been so hooked I don't even touch gacha anymore.
I don't really play any new games much either.
Did I just replace one addiction for another? Sure.
But it's much less expensive
Yep, that is why no governments around the world regulate gambling. Oh wait...
@@BubbleTea033 By.. working, as everyone else does.
Keeping the whales happy over everything makes total sense. When i was a server we were told to put our regulars who would come in almost daily before ANYONE else, even if their issues were absurd or if some randoms had already been waiting awhile.
The old Pareto principle (80/20 rule).
for mobile games, the seasons passes, i only buy when them i complete the free track. then i get everything with no risk. i sometimes do that with pc games
Way back when they released xbox achievements, I realized after a while that some of the achievements required absolutely absurd levels of pure time grinding or just dumb luck. Sure the achievements are shiny and all that, but I've carried that forward by not caring about cosmetics or pay-to-win features. Don't try to get everything just because it is available. You need to be able to decide what you do and don't want.
And thanks to those Whales the gaming industry is the way it is.
Anytime 🐳
Well time hunt a new type of whale to extinction.
Look who's broke! 😂
@@jtjames79 I have a fuckton of expendable income, but I'm not gonna waste it on useless cosmetics or garbage pay to win games, no. I'd rather spend that money on getting a collection of GOOD games together, games with the plague and lack of quality design that are microtransactions.
@@megaman37456 Grab the harpoons!
About whales that are attracted to gambling games; it's probably not false but I can attest that whales who are more hardcore/traditional gamers (rather than phone games that catter a bit more to a casual audience) also do spends A LOT in microtransactions. The data I've seen in our games was really impressive; I didn't expect so many people spending about 20000s to acquire all cosmetics in game by purchasing currency to get all items directly as soon as they are available in the game store.
what games are you referring to?
@@Edigor100I can't specify even though I don't work there anymore; it's still proprietary information that I had partial access into (from the game designers) since I was developping the monetization features on UI, Online and Tools side
I also remember charts describing the monetization in one of the game saying people spends a couple of dollar in average but it was really surprising: most spending put a few dollars but a few spends thousands and above and they completely mess up the stats and justify putting those features in games...
Phone or mobile gamers aren't more casual. People go nuts buying stuff in mobile games which are all built solely around micro transactions. They are much worse compared to console or computer games. Freemium games are made specifically to be more addicting and people can play anywhere and at anytime.
@@moshunit96 what you said is true. I meant to highlight that hardcore gamers that traditionally play PC/Consoles also spends a whole lot. And they also have different habits than those who play phone games that are specifically tailored to casual audience. Not all phone games :) (nor all freemiums either even though those are usually the ones with the most aggressive monetization)
This is exactly why i've never been able to move on from old school runescape, especially playing iron man modes where outside of a monthly subscription for membership it's impossible for pay to win while literally every other game i tried in the past 2-3 years had pay to win or gambling of some sort.
Got to say Asmon’s two-ends candle theory is pretty accurate. My elder cousin was a big gamer when I was young. He introduced me to a lot of classic titles like Fallout, AOE, TES and HOMM and even WOW back in early 2000s. He basically educated me to be a gamer. Nowadays he only plays Gacha games on phone due to the lack of time to play other bigger titles. Back then he was a big fan of Baldur’s Gate, NWN and The Icewind Dale. But now he struggles to find time play BG3 while working as a lawyer, raising kids and supporting his family. We are still very close and he often asks me about the newest games. He told me that those gacha games are shitty at best but still that’s the only type of entertainment that suits his schedule.
Damn, i remember there was a guy who played a Vietnamese mmorpg back in 2010 and spent $77k (inflation adjusted) when the average annual income is just $1162, and he was dominating the whole game, not just server.
prob botting
the only game I have seen so far that is perfect with microtransactions has been Helldivers 2, the only thing to really buy is the super credits and even then super credits can be earned and found through out the game. if there is something you want you can just earn it by playing enough, and there is even 2 ways to earn them, through the war bonds themselves or just finding them in the map. You are not forced to buy ANYTHING, its all choice because even out of the first war bond you have enough to get the second, and so on and so forth until you have them all
'if you die tomorrow you can not take (your money) with you'
Well that's true, but if your p2w cash grab shuts down tomorrow you can't take any of those microtransactions with you.
Guess which of the above 2 situations is most likely to happen.
The same is for any game tho? This is not a matter of taking your microtransactions with you, but having the most fun. They are having fun, and even if the game closes, they still had fun; as long as it doesnt impact them financially, if it does, then that's another thing.
Irrelevant. It isn't about what you take with you at the end of the argument. It's about making the most of what you have while you're alive because it doesn't go with you when you're gone. If you have it, use it. Optimally, you'll utilize every single thing you own to get the most out of it before you die. THAT is the point. The rest is just the risk you take before leaving. But...living is gambling so...who the heck knows? Just live how you want.
@@AlbertoTuberdefending whales lol, lmao even
@@AlbertoTuberHow do you close a single player game? lmao.
@@Xfushion2
If its a server-side online only game, its quite easy to do a complete shutdown and have players lose evrything
"why would i hate you, i only pitty you" never felt more fitting
I used to sell people home theater systems using the same logic. Some people go out to the clubs and the bars and spend money, but I like to stay home and watch movies. really made them feel a lot better about spending $10,000
Over the course of a year and a half, I spent somewhere between 24-30k on a mobile game that I dont even really play anymore.
BROO WTF
One of the craziest pay to win stories I saw recently was someone making a forum post about their 65 men guild winning an event on their server with 2 billion points in Goodgame Empire (a browser game) and then someone repplied with a picture showing his 2.5 billion personal point contribution for his guild which won by like 6 billion on an other server.
@@iron1204I've played it many years ago. It's a lot. If he is talking about the real money rubies, I think I have accumulated like one or two thousand without spending anything.
I am not 100% sure, it was like 10 years ago
all i had to see was a single person being able to perform to the same level as team of 65 dedicated people.
Do you really need a currency to see that's stupid? @@iron1204
Jp, the man who whaled too close to the sun
Just buy the sun
@@ertai222 it wasnt for sale :(
dont mind him whaling since it's his money, but diablo immortal of all things?! what a waste of money on a trash game
To be fair, he won Diablo Immortal. Noone could be matched with him. He won the game.
I try to stay mostly FTP unless the math seriously works out. I mostly stick to Battle Passes and daily "free" currency packages. This is usually more than enough to succeed in the games I play. I do agree that it would be awesome if you could just buy the character etc you want for a base price in addition to the GACHA. That way you can "gamble" and maybe get it for less or you can choose to simply get what you want/need directly. IMO the developer doesn't really lose either way.
🐳 : “if your broke just say that”
At the same time, if he's illiterate he should just say that.
Should reword as "if you're broke, don't play". 🐋
Biggest reason I dodge Gacha like the plague. As I'm forever hit with the temple of can't, right there.
What's funny is that most whales end up broke.
I love how balanced Asmond's views typically are. He doesn't jump on bandwagons and it's refreshing.
I miss when the most controversial micro transactions were bacon skins on black ops 2 and a borderlands 2 headhunter packs being overpriced
Only whales I appreciated were the ones in Naruto Blazing on mobile. Those dudes would carry me through hard ass missions so I could earn the characters for free ❤
I have seen first hand how a partner can become additicted to spending money on a game for the shortcuts to the top. To the point that it ruins their lives and others around them. And it takes a lot of pain and many years to repair all of the damage. Seems that is an aspect not talked about too much when talking about gaming 'whales'. Not all the 'whales' can afford to be 'whales'.
That's the issue, really. A lot of people don't have self-control. Personally, I spend money on Arknights (Monthly pack + Event packs), but only after 1. Bills are paid (Internet, rent, electricity, insurance, etc) and the fridge and freezer are filled with food and I have enough to drink stockpiled to last me a few weeks.
The biggest problem is that whales act like them spending all their money on micros only has to do w them and its nobody elses business. However, thats not the case when them spending all that money then causes more games to go that route. Meaning it literally has an impact on MY experience bc you just caused a fn paywall.
They are right tho, where they spend their money is their business not ours.
Just as the way the developers monetize their games is up to them, not us.
The only thing we can do is to support a company that makes what we like, so more companys see that its profitable to make us happy aswell.
They aren't right. They claim their spending doesn't change gaming for others. It does therefore they are wrong. Simple
@@JohnSmith-ti9uq If you play games with micro transactions then you are perpetuating that business practice. People playing = popularity. Popularity = more whales. If you don't want greedy CEOs to ruin games, then just ignore any game with MTX and find something else to play. But as long as people buy it, they're going to sell it.
@@ideryd dude you didnt really read his comment did you? i agree with him completely its not a coincidence that all games have a gatcha system now. them spending money is not just their business its all gamers business bc they are screwing with the games coming out in the future. sure if you want to act like we have no control over how developers monetize games but thats completely untrue bc if ppl didnt spend massive amounts of money on these games they wouldnt try to monetize them this way and its completely idiotic to say well its not up to us so just let chaos rein and spend as much as possible its not your business uh no the only way to stop games from doing microtransactions or gatcha bs is to change all the whales minds and make them stop or force the issue and create a new law so they dont even have the option to do it anymore. you have very backwards logic you dont seem to realize how gambling addiction in games is corrupting future titles.
@@RageKage987 i did read and I do understand. You obviously didnt read what i wrote tho. Good job trying atleast
29:52 the smart ass company listening to that idea: "Okey, now I will sell magic boxes you can use to decorate your base, attack enemies, and break them to see what's inside, you know what I'm selling, this is simply a secondary effect of the item lmao"