What Went Wrong With Gaming? | Asmongold Reacts
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Happy New Year :)
Happy new year mate !!! May your cups be full of various teas and drinks. 😊
The man, the myth hisself!
Happy new year Josh 🥰
:)
I watched the react-ception live on your channel, that shit was hilarious 😂
My personal approach to what I call 'pleasure buys' (ie. things I want but don't need) is to wait 3 days after seeing the thing. If after that time it's still on my mind, then and only then do I even consider buying that thing. It is *EXTREMELY* rare that I buy something more than $10 on impulse. Even with small, inconsequential things like candy and soda. I've made the decision to not let myself get used to buying _anything_ without sitting on it for at least a little while, all to keep me from overspending and falling into this corporate trap that is so prevalent in video games (and beyond) these days.
Also a good idea to only buy things you can potentially return or refund. Preorders are easy to cancel. In-game you can apply for refunds but you will get banned, but chances are if you're doing it you don't want to continue playing
I buy whatever I want whenever I want because I always make good decisions.
My wife and I use a similar technique in our personal purchases - "Let's think about it...", which generally means - "Let's not buy it, in a few days we will forget it."
The thing is most things online showed to be up for a limited time so you don't have that time to think if you actually need it.
@@Jonathan-rw8uw breath in......now breath out. breath in....now breath out. breath in....now breath out. Feeling better man?
Imagine if a grocery store did this. No one buys anything in our store, they purchase "buyer tokens" outside, and than once inside they transfer those into "grocery bucks."
And you get more grocery bucks if you buy double the amounts of tokens first! 800% value brooo😂
But the free cart only holds 52oz. You can buy the use of a full size cart for an additional fee. I also recommend the item booster, it makes every item a lootbox so you dont know whats inside, could be cereal or chopped liver, or both! In a hurry? Theres the Xp skipper (express payment skipper) available for 1408 grocery bucks that lets you cut in front of others to get to the front of the line, cut off your fellow human today!
You better delete this shit before anyone with enough power to do this sees it.
@@erraldstyler well they better start hiring more security then.
The fact that you make so many references to your mom is heart warming. I had a brilliant relationship with my mom; not necessarily out of a shared interest like you, but nevertheless a great relationship. In addition, the fact that you speak openly about it makes it all the better. 👊🏻
Sweet home alabama
@@goose_cluesI mean, what else was Asmon supposed to do after he broke both arms?
@@goose_cluesthis generation makes everything weird ffs
Nah, it's only him. Bro don't have a nice relationship with his family, so it's unable to see any kind of love for your parents in any way other than sexual @@yeasure.7875
@@yeasure.7875 it's not just this generation, it's just immature people who have to be edgy the moment they sense vulnerability or heartfelt sincerity.
I want to thank Asmongold for helping me overcome gacha addiction. Simply just reminding me how stupid these purchases are makes me doubletake my buying decisions, and allow me to sit on them for a while before ultimately deciding it's not worth it.
Or play gatcha games like Azur Lane which don't make you feel like you have to purchase something. But these two are the exception not the rule when it comes to gatcha's.
never gacha, only gachi ♂
Yeah listening to Asmon really helps. I was also helped along by a friend who taught me this - "sleep on it". Just sleep on your decisions including Gacha limited-time sales. Just one good sleep and a day of work would wake you from the fear-of-missing-out (FOMO) irrational mindset. You have better places to spend your hard-earned income.
As a reply here also mentioned, Steam Sales are awesome. I've been able to try out all these games I've missed out at -80% prices - FPSes, turn-based strategy, action-adventure, open world - the variety is stunning and I'm getting many hours' worth of joy. I won't be able to get the same amount of joy from that new SSR unit in my phone game, which depreciates in value from guaranteed power creep.
Legit his whole plan, this gonna save you so much money my friend happy new year
How can you fall prey to them in the first place
Without giving Maple Story too much credit here, while explaining the Maple Story problem the narrator even said "while investors..." So if we really want to track the source of the problem here, its when game companies turn to be publicly traded and need positive stonks year after year. Pushing more and more devs to go for the Fifa model because people are stupid.
Maple Story was merely the vessel to which stocks could always go up while product quality goes down.
In the early days people didn't make shitty games because no one wanted to play shitty games. The devs were making games as passion projects. Doom, Unreal Tournament, Quake, Starcraft, Halo.. literal classics.
When the devs lost passion about their projects, thats when their games went down hill in quality and to make up for that they just add more and more monetization just doubling down on the horrible bullshit.
For profit soulless games will always be garbage.
"In the early days people didn't make shitty games" You're 12 years old confirmed. There were thousands of terrible games back then. What an actual smoothbrain.
This is so ridiculous. Do you really think the devs are the people in charge?
@@johansermartinez9287 you clearly missed the point and lack reading skills. He was saying the devs USED to be the people in charge. Investors and the people the investors want running these companies are now in charge. You gotta try better than that. (inb4 delusional non-argument reply)
No,no,no...the real problem is all the people who buy, promote and justify this crap.
@@luxinterna3370 that’s a backward way of thinking.
Dude looks like MoistCriticals Alolan form
Lol 😂
So great 😅😅
Holy shit underrated comment
HAHAHAHA Im fucking dead
😂
I always thought it was pretty ironic that my ti-83 calculator, the ultimate mathematical tool capable of solving all of the math, was the direct reason for my not understanding math. Drug Wars, Baseball, and Tetris I remember wreaking particular havoc on my GPA as the graphing calculator started to find use in my other classes as well. So much fun. So much getting yelled at by my parents.
Runescape did the same to me😂
Asmongold, that story about your fan interaction in the grocery store is the gold standard for how to act. You probably made that dudes day. Good on you
Note for myself: 55:24
Born in 95, grown up with cod 4/5 and mw2 as my first multiplayer games ever and simultaneously playing wow for the first time in wotlk - best time ever. I miss this kind of playing games so much, just simple, straight to the point. If you were good, you were good. If you were bad, you were bad. And thats it.
Cod 4 and mw2 where amazing you brought back some good memories I remember when we could play a game then stop playing for a month and not lose out on a battle pass or event items or monthly available purchases able items that dissappear if you don't that's why I don't play multiplayer shooter games anymore I'm expected to play every day to get a challenge completed for the battle pass that I paid for or I lose my money
Now you have lucksacks and payers telling you "skill issue" in Genshin Impact because they meet the DPS checks in the Abyss with either extremely luckily rolled artifacts with double the damage stats as your best one or 5star weapons.
Genshin is like a refuge of failed raiders, low ELO MOBA players, and "can't progress in monhun because too hard" people pretending like that optional side content in Genshin built to be a playground for whales to see big numbers with their OP 5star characters and their personal 5star weapons is the Dark Souls of gaming and they are truly the "elite" equal to Challenger players and mythic+ raiders...
You missed out. Check out Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault.
I'm not even into shooters but playing the original Battlefront 2 on PS2 with my cousin... Irreplaceable
Born in 85 here, you still missed out on the 10 most fun years of gaming. But that may be my nostalgia talking
I think that they should just pass a law that aggressively taxes game companies on the money they make from transactions after the initial game purchase or past a specific amount. That will encourage game companies to try to get more people to buy their game rather than get a small amount of people to spend a life-ruining amount of money on it.
unless the "tax" is around 100%, this won't prevent the game devs from monetizing their games. maybe they'd have to be more strategic but overall they still make money per purchase whether its 99 cents, 4 dollars, or 40 dollars
Just abuse anyone you know who spends money on micro transactions. Mock them incessantly. Gamers didn't gatekeep their hobby, and now the hobby is awful
I have never spent money on a single micro-transaction. They tick the same boxes in my mind that gambling does and I have never been a gambler. When I was little I saw those little coin-op toy machines, saw on the little display sheet what I wanted, put the coin in, did not get what I wanted, and immediately thought "Well that was a waste of money." and never looked back.
My first reaction was not "It didn't give me what I wanted, I had better try again."
It was "It didn't give me what I wanted, this is unreliable, fuck this."
This sort of thinking colors a lot of my consumer habits.
How quickly can we get you as a CEO of Gaming?
Literally the exact lesson that i had as a child, Never gambled or bought micros in my life
You are like 99% there man. If you would only stop calling yourself a "consumer" and fix that to "customer". Remember, you're not a human "resource", you're an employee. Don't let them dehumanize you.
@@fu102what? Consumer and customer have definitions lmao. If I sell you a lemon directly, you are my customer. If I sell my lemon to the store and you buy the lemon from said store, you are my consumer, not my customer.
The word has nothing to do with "dehumanization". It's accurate in the business world. Your Steam's customer, your the developers consumer.
59:15 „these have not been added to make the game better, they‘ve been added to make the game money.“ sums up game development, well, life in 2022 perfectly…
gaming? nothing. monetization? everything
I hate how true this is
Adjust gaming prices for inflation.
These are businesses that must make profit to stay in business.
It is what it is.
Incel seb
@@shiiswii4136 ok troll
@@zyubat you insulting me based on a comment thread from a video 4 days ago is the biggest compliment you could ever give me. I’m glad I live in your head rent free because I called Tate an incel.
"just cant wait to be king" level of lion king for NES is intentionally an arbitrary memory-puzzle on a timer, where you end up in one-way-loops and death traps.
It is also visually VERY unique and pretty, so it looked nicer to observers, while the players got stuck in this "level of chance", till they memorize the correct path.
It was designed with game rentals in mind.
i think the best thing to do for battle passes is they give it to you at the end of the duration but if you want to unlock it early you either play and do the missions or every play you get xp to unlock the bp tier its like those things that is a calendar that have gift for everyday of that month
I'm so grateful to have grown up in the NES/SNES era so I have no issues going back to those games and enjoying them for the complete artistic masterpieces that they are. And I will always support indie developers who share that same passion and gamer first mentality which has given us such gems as Shovel Knight, Hollow Knight, Celeste, Blasphemous etc.
You should play “the messenger”
@@CarlosMorenccc oh heck yes the Messenger is great.
True brother
I might have written this comment myself. I have to imagine you grew up with megaman, metroid and casylevania and Kirby like me.
All of those 2d sides rollers are fucking gems and always will be
I didn't grow up in that era, as I've grown during the 360 and PS3, but I still feel this. Even if I don't use it anymore, I'll always love my old 360, even though it's disc tray broke years ago.
I played Facebook games. I played Farmville. The name of the game was free gaming. How far can you get before you run into the pay wall. How comfortable is it to scrape against it until you get around it. If you couldn't get around it go play something else. There was a massive pool of Facebook games.
I never gave them a dime. I had a 400 person friend list just to play these games.
I played mafia wars too.
BRO!, Mafia wars and Farmville was the shit back in the day.
I miss Mafia Wars!
the whole reason i have Facebook account in the first place was Because Facebook games. XD
(kinda the only social media account i have)
@@kmeanxneth thats what facebook initial strategy for people to get hook up.
they went hardcore social media. they would not have much people
I miss vampire wars😭😭😭💔
Nobody seems to mention, before horse armor, MapleStory also had cosmetics you could buy except they were rentals so that cool shirt and hat were only temporary and then youd need to buy them again to keep the look (I think they charged a larger price for permanent)
the awesome part of loot boxes is also that it's all digital
at anytime they can take it from you
they can even ban your account and make you start over
When PC games started finally getting good for me was when I got Command and Conquer for Christmas in like 96 or 97. I had an old Packard Bell computer with Win 95 on it. I thought the cut scenes were absolutely amazing. Also it being the early days of RTS and just coming off playing Dune 2 on Sega Genesis made it even sweeter. The fact that you could control multiple characters in a game, build a base, and build armies was revolutionary for the time.
@@Snowsc-fg3sn there were plenty of garbage games back then not just on PC true, but that doesn't mean that PC gaming of that era was bad, so I can agree. We had plenty of great games, I won't repeat the same ones you listed, but, C&C Red Alert 1&2 (All the other C&C games) Age of Empires collection, Warcraft 2, 3, Frozen Throne expan., Duke Nukem 1&2, Xargon, Doom 1&2. But Asmon is correct these are all games that you get as a finished product with little to no updating.
My all-time favorite arcade game(which we also had at home on the Commodore) was Asteroids. That was such a fun game. So simple yet satisfying.
I had the Vic 20, Commodore 64 and Commodore Amiga 500 they were great so many good games. Also he forgot paying for a save in Metal gear Survive.
Rainbow islands..paperboy...
@@exodore2000 My dad had an Amiga. I remember he used to groan whenever I asked him to install The Perfect General because it always took over an hour. Wizkid, Pirates, Reel Fishing, so many amazing games from that era.
@@ChickenPizza I remember calling in late to work once because I was playing Sword of Aragon on Amiga.
An ideal battle pass for me would be, it is free for everyone. But it is time gated, but if you decide to buy it you don’t have a time limit. You just keep leveling it up along side any new one that comes up. So if you play a lot you can potentially unlock everything but if you have a life outside gaming like a family you can opt to buy it and get everything at your pase.
90's games were some of the best. Red alert, command and conquer, dune, mech warrior, earth siege :D
oh man, some of the absolute best memories I have in gaming were around the time where I only played maplestory and runescape all day. My god just the pure ecstacy of joining the unknown world and becoming the best out of your friends and having the coolest stuff, exploring and flexing together was just the purest fun of my life.
The problem is with the consumers that keep spending money on clear predatory monetization, which incentivizes companies to make more and more predatory monetization methods. It wouldn't be such a problem if people didn't consume it. More often than not lazy games that are predatory end up getting more money than masterpieces that have no monetization.
Whenever I'm tempted to pay for something stupid, the biggest reason which stops me is that I don't want to support bad business practices.
The self control to say, "yknow what? I don't actually need this" deteriorates everyday but I hope ppl can stay strong in the face of disrespectful games.
Well, that's why it's called "predatory". It's constructed in a way to subtly put pressure and force you to pay even if you have no intention to. And those tricks are clearly effective, considering even people fully aware of them and with their guard up being tempted time to time. Imagine how it is for majority of people who are clueless about all this monetization and far lees passionate about games.
There should be some personal responisibility, but currently monetisation got so invasive and powerful that it places disproportionate amount of pressure on personal responicibility. It's like having a huge pit in the middle of the road and only a narrow plank to cross it. Maybe we should do something about the pit instead of blaming the people that fall into it?
@@Thanatos2k A fool and his money are easily parted. This is 100% on the consumers.
@@ashero2092 "Imagine how it is for majority of people who are clueless about all this monetization and far lees passionate about games." -- For real, I always thought it was so obvious, honestly, I can't even comprehend how it's possible for some people to be clueless about this. I just can't.
I liked it when Soulcaliber/Ultimate Alliance (or any game) had a unique character on each system. Or how they each had a unique level/area/boss.
The only battle pass system I like is in conquers blade. Where even after a season ends, you can go back and play prior seasons and still earn them. It takes a little more effort that doing them when they are active but they can still be earned.
I was always under the impression that the fake ingame currencies were a work-around against some kind of illegality. I think I remember watching a video explaining that casinos don't allow people to wager real money on gambling as it's against the law, so they sell chips as a "service", and then there's no laws about what people do with the chips. I figured microtransactions followed that same path.
You have a point. I think that's probably true.
There is truth to that, but it also works with confusing the players themselves. Because almost nobody would pay the raw amounts of certain cosmetics, but if it's connected to "luck" ?? Uhhh just one more try... ok one more.. ah i need 100 silver for another box... but only have 90 left (how weird) so im only spending money for 10 silver right? But the packs come in 300 silver ect. And to use the silver, you first have to exchange the tokens you get from xyz, and so on, further blurring the actual price of things..
Its less about real money gambling being illegal and more of the fact that people forget the chips are money in their brains while playing which makes them risk and spend more.
We ruined video games by continuing to give these companies our money and not holding the dev studios accountable when they don't deliver on advertisements, promises, or take advantage of consumers. Stop buying crap and they'll eventually go away or stop...
Are you seriously blaming the gamers instead? Lol
@@sarahwallace1103 i dont buy games hombre. I'm old school and i pirate them if its not free
@Culcia your logic is the same with blaming drug users instead blaming the drug dealers lol what a failed mindset
@@tripninick8597 now this is also why we have MTX, why make premium games that people can pirate when you can just make F2P game with microtransaction instead?
@@tripninick8597 You should blame the drug users. I got nothing against the dealers. The users are always the problem. They have all the money, and money talks. They decide the direction things go, and they have made their wishes clear. I despise the consumers more than the greedy devs. They ruined gaming, not a few sleazy salesmen.
Son original MapleStory was the best leveling experience I have ever had in an MMO EVER. every 10 levels felt like and entirely new game without getting to complicated. Back tracking and throwing down 35k down in hennessy on the orange mushrooms was the most fulfilling.
49:17 COD elite was the first battle pass style system I ever noticed. It wasn’t exactly a battle pass. But gave access to challenges and prizes as well as exclusive tags and badges. In 2011
When me and my friends played maplestory almost 20 years ago, we didn't touch the pay elements once and it was still one of the best games out there. I feel like it gets a lot of slack for being that gacha game but coming home after school to hang out with friends and exploring over leveled zones was so much fun :)
Flak?
@@Rain1 hate, scourge, destaste, bashing on it
@@Chaotic818 he said slack but I think he meant flak
yea MapleStory was a good game. The community, the grinding, the PartyQuests, boss raids, guilds etc were real and extremely fun without having to pay a single penny. It was quite WoW in cute 2D graphics.
I still play maplestory if I'm honest. Its very different now, but I still enjoy it deeply
Gatcha-pon is actually something they have as physical items for kids over in Asia. Its been like that for decades.
Not arguing it's not gambling but that "chance" style of earning something has been a part of their culture for a long time.
To be fair, we had physical toy gatchas in europe too. I can't speak for every european country but they definitely had them in France since at least the 2000s, I used to stare at them everytime my parents took me grocery shopping because the big supermarkets had a bunch of gacha machines at the tills.
Bruh, America had all of these things decades ago too, they just weren't called "gatcha". Every grocery store, restaurant, and arcade had toy, sticker, and candy dispensers for quarters.
48:15 Chivalry 2 does a decent job of this, the battle pass levels up whether you have it or not and once the season ends the battle pass stays and gives you the option of which battle pass to put your xp towards
Hahaha that exhale after Farmville invite from hotty
It's a nice feeling to tell someone "I told you so", but it's not that nice when the thing I was talking about for over a decade means one of my favorite hobbies got ruined. The sad part it, we're currently on the edge of another great fall of video games and people are just as stupid as they were. Microsoft wants to monopolize game sales but in the same time you're not going to buy or own any of your games. Only your corporate overlords from MS decide and you have to keep paying. What's the people's reaction? "Shut up, and take my money!" Again... I remember when I was younger and I wished people didn't have to wait untill they make a mistake to learn, but today I'd wish they learned a lesson at all.
I want to pay €60,- and get the full experience.
I dont want the feeling of being gamed.
This is exactly why there has been a rise in the Indy gaming space. AAA might be getting worse, but, there is no shortage of great Indy games out there.
Not only is this fall going to happen for all of the same reasons that it did in 1982, but now even MORE reasons are making it happen as well, needlessly excessive, and needlessly existing, downloadable content, a lack of proper bug checking, lots of loot crate/loot box/gacha/pass/subscription nonsense, games literally being halfway done, the whole greed of both sides of the SAG-AFTRA strike, and other related organizations (yes, that also affects video games as well, including many indie video game studios), needless mergers, as well as some unavoidable reasons that are literally beyond the abilities of almost anyone in this situation to affect, i.e. disasters, war, overall economic downturns, etc.
Imagine what kind of games we would have if all companies were trying to create the best game possible
Ban DLC and cash grabs and watch them either happen, or see the entire video game industry implode worse than it did in 1982. Hopefully, the industry will come back, though. The blister needs to be popped and the balloon must burst.
Yes this is why I was excited for the direction that games were going, then all of a sudden the floor fell out and everything got tossed into the black hole that sucks money out of our wallets.
Directors , actors , writers, and video game programmers
The sad part about the bit about the people being responsible is that they had the odd stacked against them. Predatory practices.
Imagine kids being told not to talk to strangers, especially ones that offer candy for a ride in their white van.
The problem was, the predator(gaming companies) and the candy(loot boxes/gacha system) and the white van(battle pass system) came before the warning that no, these people should not be trusted, do not take the candy, do not ride the white van.
So many were tempted by the candy. By the time people realized how dangerous the predators were. It was too late. It had taken root and was earning money. By the time people sounded the alarm and started speaking out, a formula for getting people addicted was made and written down.
yes, to a certain extent people can be blamed for making the purchases, but its kinda hard to have expected them to say no. I mean, as Asmongold had said, most of the buyers were kids who didn't care enough about the purchases. The only reason people became aware was that some had started to become mature. Some earlier than others.
Platform exclusivity can be a positive thing in certain scenarios: (1) The game might never be made otherwise in some cases, such as Bayonetta 2 on WiiU. (2) It's much easier for a developer to properly optimize a game for one platform at a time. (3) It allows a developer to take full advantage of a specific platform's unique capabilities (when those exist).
I miss the old wizardry series and dnd pc games. I remember playing neverwinter nights for years. Had a blast making my own games (mods) and playing with others with what I made.
47:00 What you have to remember about the OG gameshark is that it actually wasn't developed by any dev as a pay to win solution too their own game. It was a tool developed by 3rd partys that basically allowed you to hack your games. So it's not like devs were selling the pay 2 win solution too their own games like they do today.
Yeah, that's why they ended up getting sued because it could also manipulate copy protection code.
Question, what its the volume addon you control your firefox there? thanks
My 90's mall had a software store where you could "rent" games, and it was about 1/2 the price of what it cost to rent a console game.
It really makes me sad, extremely sad , to see how bad things are.
I hate to imagine where we would be in next 10 years.
@@Axis9712 Here's how I do it: I allow myself to spend up to $60 on microtransactions for F2P games. Any game that is sold and contains microtransactions, I refuse to buy. The exception are full expansion packs, which fall under the same old category of money for content. In fact the best gaming experiences in some of the best games I've ever played were expansions. Blood and Wine was better than the base game of The Witcher 3. The Ringed City, Ashes of Ariandel, all three DS2 expansions, The Old Hunters, and Artorias Of The Abyss all had better bosses and generally better content than their base games. That is because they are content that had more time to develop. It's like a director's cut, an ultimate vision. So I happily support that.
If everyone just adopted this mindset, this shit would literally cease to exist by 2024. Isn't that a sad thought? That people are such weak little drones that they cannot do this?
@@gokublack8342 If you already paid for the game, you should be against it.
@@gokublack8342 You already paid for the content on your drive. You just need to pay more to actually unlock it. That's theft. That's like buying a can of beans, getting 2/3rds of its content, but then finding a lock with a card reader at the bottom that you need to swipe to get charged an extra $1.50 to get the last 1/3rd of the beans.
Cosmetic or otherwise, any microtransactions in games that aren't F2P are theft. They're locks on content you already paid for and that is taking up space on your drive.
@@gokublack8342 No, and you're clearly grabbing at fallacies by making that argument. Expansions are not on your drive when you buy the game. They are gigabytes worth of content that are months to years in the making just like the game itself was. For example, Elden Ring. It is now close to a year old. There'll undoubtedly be an expansion or two. That means From will have been working on it for a year or more. Completely original content with brand new mechanics, weapons, armors, enemies, music, etc.
This is an entirely different concept from making a game and just launching it with paid locks on some of its content, which is what games like the upcoming Diablo 4 are doing for example. And we know that it's what they're doing because much of the microtransactions are already public. They're literally designed to be locked until you pay more, even though they come with the rest of the game meaning you've already paid for them.
The one advantage of the in game currency is when games have the currency be earnable through whatever seasonal content they have, like some games do with their battle passes. Not saying its right but theyll probably argue that
Pay to win also came from browser games!!! Way earlier than FB games. Around the same time as Maplestory was first out, the browser game market changed as well. From just simple strategic games like Travian or Tribal Wars (where all mobile games got their inspiration from). They were purely strategic at first, only had a QoL premium account thingy that added like tabs and queue’s. This changed after a few years when they added options where you just straight up bought progression in the form of ‘halving building times’. Stuff like that became rampant and now only a fraction of people still play these games. While they were soo fun at first!
Anyhow; my point is that the pay to win aspects in games today started in this market as well.
depending on how you look at it...
the most fun / disgusting thing about all of this...
imagine all this money going straight to developers
...instead of the pockets of investors / shareholders / management
The devs of clicker heroes had a cash shop for gems to use for boosts and such... in their idle game. They later posted that the handful of people who spent thousands on their game made them feel awful, and they promised the sequel would just have an upfront purchase price. IIRC the sequel is in early access, but it's got a flat purchase price and no shop, as promised.
I had some really dope old school PC games though.. There was one with like time travel, and another one with like chess and battles.. There was also that one Spider-Man game with all the unlockable suits.. that was really dope (I think I got a free CD of it inside a box of cereal..) Adventure Pinball: Forgotten Island was mad dope too. But the golden age of gaming didn't come until Warcraft 3 Custom Games.
Battle Chess was ahead of its time.
In Deep Rock Galactic when the equivalent of the battle pass ends all the cosmetics stay in the game and can still be aquired but through different means. Plus all the battle pass rewards are already unlocked from the get go.
1:04:40 "No, it's the player's fault for buying them."
You got that right.
That's what I really like about the new wow expansion. It actually feels like they cared for a good experience again and not just about creating content that gains a lot of player hours because time spent on content equals to a good game for some people. One good experience was in a "battle pass" and I mean faction rep levels that resemble it a lot. It unlocks that people from that faction treat you nicely. When I read that I thought: "yeah... that's cool. why waasn't that here before? I can remember being called the hero of whatever in every cinematic, but everytime I cross those npcs over there I get some line about how they dislike me. cool idea."
So it's not like they can't use those mechanics in a way that enhances the experience for players. It's just that they choose to instead prefer to make money with it.
They are plenty of ways to add transactions to games that I might agree with. But there are plenty of ways that they abuse this power as well, and that I don't agree with.
We used the blockbuster rental slang but...that meant you could rent it and beat it on a rental..double dragon 3 in the arcade was pay to win look it up I rember it was crazy
late 90s best PC games were FPS and RTS. Price of entry was pretty low back then as well.
32:00 another advantag is that you don't have to make the money procedure everytime you buy something in game, you don't have to think about it
What I like about Asmongold is that he draws more attention to videos that should be seen, he actually promotes his fellow youtubers.
There’s a player in my rise of kingdoms clan who spends £1500 a day on chests 😂😂😂🤡
a day?
1:00:50 The next game predatory step; throttle controller/keyboard functions so they work only about 50% of the time until the players pay $100 to have the inputs restored to normal function for a few days (real world time).
Maplestory is the only game I've played for 18 years. It's amazing and wonderful. I'm completely free-to-play and love it. Never paid a single dollar for the hobby, and play on a cheap laptop with 0 lag. Any complaints about this game shock me.
The problem with mmo's and even most games made today is they make a game that is good enough to get you hooked, but frustrating enough to make you want to buy 'lootboxes'. Back in the day, Gaming devs would make games they themselves would want to play, but now those devs are leaving and now we have a new bunch of devs who only see working in gaming as a job rather than a passion.
to be fair unless its indie, most AAA studios are beholden to holding companies/shareholders, a la square enix, so unless its a indie studio or non invasive corporate, dev's are literally just the cogs in the machine bro, they literally have no say according to most of the crunch stories, plus the market saturating with so many ways to play (console/pc/mobile) and lack of proper quality control (sonic 06/boom/colors launch, cyberpunk launch, gta definitive launch) makes game development near impossible to be passion driven, case in point how modders/hackers have to save/conserve alot of these games, and do a much better job at it (super mario 64 decompilation vs 3d all stars collection)
That reminds me of an interview with bungie devs from this year and they talked about their motto at one point nad it literallly went from "we make games we want to play " to "we make experiences tha make friendships" they said it had some to do with racial exclusion and shit with making games for middle aged white dudes mf just say yall are ashamed and wouldn't wanna play your peoducts anymore💀
@@agssilv5919 I remember when Googles motto was ''Dont do evil' and they changed it to “do the right thing.” back in 2017...
agree with asmongold’s point about personal accountability but i would appreciate it if he led the charge on getting streamers to stop spending money for content. if every streamer said “im not gonna pay for microtransactions and you’re a loser if you do” it would lessen it to some degree
He already said in the past he's not doing that anymore because he no longer wants to be the sole guy trying it and getting blowback from it. He is done dying on that hill.
I think most players doesn't watch streams
That will literally never happen, the more people who do that, the more money there is for creators who don't, which attracts more creators. Time to join reality and come up with a real solution.
Blockbuster hard games are the ones that forged us in the fires of gaming hell and made what is around now a trivial inconvenience at best.
the thing with fifa is if you are a good player you can get a high value team pretty quickly, for exemple i play on the elite division wich every week gives me really good rewards, then i play WL and get at least 9 playoff wines and 17 final round wins and then if i have time ill do squad battles to get even more rewards so by the end of like 2 months i had a team worth around 30M and ive never spent money on it
Fix is simple, people got to stop spending money on bad games designed just to rake in huge money year after year. But people won't.
People could have collectively not spent any money on Diablo Immortal but they spent tons, justifying its existence and rewarding this behavior.
That's the problem in gaming, people aren't going to stop rewarding the shitty developer behavior so it will keep happening and keep getting progressively worse.
people are having fun playing the games, the practices are unethical but not illegal... thats just capitalism and the market economy at work. so......... that's that. I personally would never pay stupid amounts of money on paywall things, but millions of people are! their loss (or not, depending how you look at it).
Color me guilty I just downloaded rdr2 on my pc after already having it on Xbox. Love the game.. but not enough to play it without buying some gold right away.
@@johnd3124 So what that it's not illegal? It's immoral, just like the corrupt politicians that support this type of predatory behaviour mostly targeting children.
FOMO is more powerful than crack cocaine it’s a literal direct attack on the subconscious ego.
Not only devs bro, the corporates trash are behind this, u wouldn't believe, true is they also hire psychologist and other pro to keep us addicted, devs are only like soldiers
The bit about separating real world currency from game currency is really interesting because it mostly targets people who are functionally mentally handicapped. There was a study published in a journal of psychology which studied inmates in the American prison system and gauged their IQ and then asked some interesting questions. By and large, people in jail have very low IQs. Bellow 90 with a large portion of those being around 80. And they discovered something very interesting. They asked inmates to make up a story about 2 people which they name and each of those people have a line of dialogue. For instance:
Mary and Joseph meet in a stable.
Mary: I am pregnant.
Joseph: Who's the father?
Simple right? Well, for you and me, yes. But if you have an IQ around 90 you take your time, around 80 and you can't do it. Then they asked to tell a new story with 2 new characters talking about the original story. If you have an IQ around 90, you are completely lost by now. If you have an IQ of around 100, you can just about do it. And then they ask for a new story with yet 2 new characters talking about the previous 2 characters talking about the original story. If you are struggling with this, it is very likely your IQ is bellow 110.
So when Diablo Immortal has like 3 different premium currencies, they are basically targeting everyone of average intelligence and below. It is the same principle. You basically stop being able to attribute real value to the in game currencies. If you are below average, you are even more screwed and you are likely unaware that there is a link between real world money and whatever currency you are buying with the other premium currency. And that is very interesting.
There is a second aspect to it that isn't mentioned in the video: Selling randomized lootboxes for real money is considered gambling in some countries and would be subject to rather strict regulations. The definition in the law specifically refers to sales where the buyers can't be sure of what they get for the money. Using an arbitrary ingame currency, especially one that the players can also get by playing (usually locked away behind insane ammounts of grind), bypasses those rules. The real money trade that the law regulates only concerns exact ammounts of gems/platin/whatever. Whatever happens with ingame currencies after that isn't covered by the law.
IQ does not matter that much. Even when a person can calculate the real cost he would rarely do that. The result btw will be mindblowing in most cases. I once calculated what i would need to spend to get a fighting chance in one of those common mobile "rpg"s and got totally blown. To barely compete i needed 5 legendary characters, legendary characters could be random summoned with a chance of 1/40 and the real world cost of a summon was about 3 USD so to barely compete one would need about 600 USD and that game was probably not the worst of them as you could grind over long enough time to get them without paying.
Me when I spread misinformation on the internet
@@hamiller666yea Belgium had diablo immortal banned for lootboxes and gambling. I played it for about 2 hours and uninstalled it because you could immediatly see how bad it was in that aspect
So basically you're saying I'm like 200 IQ because that's very easy to do those things 50 times over with 70 more characters
i think one of the next way game companies could monetize games but prob just more so seen in mmos would be to monetize player bots. i dont know if its been done already but companies could just make a game super grindy and then sell an auto feature that plays the game while you cant. its like taking the idle system from mobile games away from the game and selling it separately.
8:54 Aside from a handful of great games, Warcraft 2, Fallout 2, half-life, Thief, Quake etc. 90s PC gaming was rough.
sweet video. Lots of huge points and it definitely is depressing seeing games come out how they are lately. Even more sad knowing its the norm and will get worse.
Just have to stop giving these corrupt companies the money so they stop doing this obvious rip-offs. Sure, the chance of it not working at all in the grand scheme of things is high, but atleast you get to save yourself from getting milked by these predators that invaded the gaming industry.
Amazing video. Sad times for gaming man, indeed. Very sad to see how far we have come as humans in making all these things....
Most games take a lot more money do make nowadays, they need to get the money someway
The Farm Ville hit hard, my grandma was obsessed with it.
carmageddon splat pack, this game had the biggest box for 2 or 3 cd's, GOOD TIMES !
i don't remember much older games coming in boxes, maby age of empires which came with massive expantion cd's, tomb raider, dungeon keeper
Legend has it asmons copy of asteroids is still making its rounds on the school calculators
Tf2 was the first western game to do full scale loot boxes
But their trading system gave me some of the most fun I've ever had in gaming and I'm sure a lot of people would agree.
@@jcon2060 ''But'' You are part of the problem.
I feel like it's the same thing with certain food. We used to have an issue (still do with certain brands) where the amount of hot dogs you get doesn't match the amount of hot dog buns that come in a package 😒
Man I kinda miss those days when seeing a killcam someone having a gold smg in cod was like "dang he's good"
Star Wars Trilogy Arcade, Metal Slug, Galaga, Resident Evil, and Gauntlet Dark Legacy were some of my favorite arcade games. I got the hidden rank of Grand Admiral on the Star Wars game once. Broke 15 million on Galaga and was so proud of that achievement. No one in my town or maybe even the entire county could top that score.
Galaga was a quarter well spent. Value for time played. :)
@@dmaifred or you could pirate it on your pc for free and compete with your neighbors.
@@ShapeshifterOS this was back pre PC
@@dmaifred Before pc it was a nickel at most not a quarter. Maybe even 10¢.
@@Psilocybin77 Canada money was worth far less than the dollar back then to be fair. Even in the 90's we still had arcades that played for 10¢. They may have been dying out by then, but still existed here in the US.
I fell out of love with games years ago sadly as well as watching sports except big games I may show interest but idk to me regardless how good they look it doesn’t feel the same I’m 29 and haven’t owned a system since 2015
50:52 I remember Spiderman the movie game did this. I think on Xbox the exclusive boss was Craven and on PlayStation 2 it was a different boss, I can’t remember.
The adventures of Billy bayou was only so hard in the states because of rentals. A ton of games back then did. I can beat both that and lion king btw
Gauntlet was lit af. One of the best games at all time.
What went wrong with gaming?
Greedy companies
Greedy consumers
Lazy developers
Overworked developers
Free to play model
Early access model
Micro transactions
Greedy consumers?
Use to love going to the arcade, I remember cutting the coupons out of our local tv guides and going to a place called magic mountain which was like a mini waterpark/arcade.
Played games like golden axe, the original street fighter 2, TMNT if I recall was one of the first original 4 player arcade games.
Home console wise the Atari and pitfall took many hours of my life😂
wow nice throwback Soul Caliber reference I remember that
Thank you for saying what a lot of youtubers/streamers are afraid/ignorant to say. It's the player's fault. We need to hold ourselves accountable.
AAA gaming has gone to shit, but I am old and there is so much stuff I still have to play... And are still new indies and the rare AAA games that is still worth playing, so I am not too worried.
Just for a reference, might have been a regional thing, but rpgs were 80 to 100 30 years ago. Phantasy Star, Dragon Warrior, Final Fantasy all these series were put on shelf at $99.99 saw this a lot in the early mid 90s
I would argue it was the subscription model WoW introduced or the SOJ ring in diablo II
I was just discussing this with my best friend of 28 yrs. We're both 38 and have both been gaming since NES was new(ish). Asmond made a good point at the start - this isn't new, but it used to be that you would get tangible rewards for your efforts or very small monetary expenditure (I still have the Tshirt with 8-bit Link on it, holding up the Master Sword that says "Sword Play" on it that came with a pre-order of TLOZ: The Wind Waker and still wear the fucker lol). Anyways, gaming has NEVER been cheap, but it was a one-time expenditure. Now, you like a game and want to "buy" that game? Then you better be ready to sign on for a 2 yr long expedition of spending. Gaming has become pretty trash, at least in a vacuum, but in today's late-stage Capitalist society, it still beats the fuckin' pants off of most other hobbies. Does that make us yearn for the gaming of yesteryear? Of course. But gaming is still fun for the most part. They need to do away with pay-to-win microtransactions. That would be a massive step toward gaming getting back to what it used to be. Or, as close to it as is possible in this day and age.
lol there is no such thing as late-stage capitalism because capitalism is the default
about battle passes, I think more could be done like deep Rock galactic: when the pass expires, all items within become added to some loot pool, nothing becoming unobtainable but the pass being an easier way to access those items and allowing you to do so early. then again i guess it works in deep rock because of how the loot mechanic is, and both the access to said loot and the pass itself being completely free.
Or even do what halo did and allow you to buy the battle pass when ever you want even after it expires so it reduces the amount of fomo
@@louisharland3071 thing is they don't want to reduce the fomo
@@agssilv5919 yea sad part about the gaming industry all the greedy executives designing everything with money first game later
The Double Dragon 3 arcade had weapons and stuff for real-money purchase in the arcade. That was 1990, and an example of “pay for more power, back in the day.”
Energy system and timer in a game usually keeps me there for the first couple of timers and then when the time gets too long the game gets uninstalled.
That's really depressing...what a way to end a year XD
I'm not depressed by the video, because there are still many great games out there. Elden Ring and many Indy Games for example
@@Martin-jm8wi Good for you
Ahhhhhh Oblivion. Great fucking game. The Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles came with my game of the year edition I got in High School. All the other DLC I downloaded for free off the internet. If anyone still plays Oblivion there is a fully voiced guild/quest chain mod on Thenexus with an archiology guild and interdimensional beings. Was pretty bangin'.
Damn I had the same game back in the day. GOTY edition with Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles. That was pretty amazing. I got the game for 10 dollars because there was a tech store close to my parents’ house that was closing and had a sale to get rid of the stock.
I played that game to death.
But I never enjoyed any mods since I played on xbox 360 back then. Might need to check that out.
I bought and played it again last year, and it is still a good game.
Oblivion is so great, I'm just lazy so I haven't gotten back to it and the large modset available. Takes up a lot of time too, but so fun.
theres bands that played on those xbox ones too. introduced to some new music
Or just a battlepass that isn't bound to time, which is more conveniant. Although your sacrificing global/public events what you could do to prevent it is giving the community the power to host events themselfs without the need of dedicated homebrew server. For the events for example they could make it so it plays through a list of gamemodes with custom rules and a mixup of stuff already present in the main game. So anyone can play how they want with everyone and also an optional idea is to increase difficulty for factions/gear/items you unlock behind paywalled content. So experienced players can still have fun in pvp with friends who never played. But also have something more difficult endgame then the battlepass content, to make players content who don't have enough money, which will be good in the long run for the company if this player buys a new release. And the battle pass stuff needs to look unique instead of better, which is a grey area to some extent which why its almost impossible to really draw the line and it also depends on art style/genre. Im really trying here to justify a battlepass, what has happened. What if all dlcs where only standalones? I will (try) do that in our game and im hoping it will be reverenced in a future video as an example that reversed engineerd gaming to be good again. lol
This box physically cannot disappear without legislation either, due to one existing legal concept;
Fiduciary Responsibility.
If you are not making your shareholders as much money as humanly possible (in most cases a giant positive, but not in gaming), you will be held legally accountable for it and lose your company.
The only way around this issue, is to make a rock solid argument, preferably using most of Josh's video as evidence, of why this design in the long run will destroy your company by making your consumer base leave, compared to the FromSoftware or successfull Indie models of long term slow, steady valuegrowth. However, that also vastly limits your ability to grow your company and offer competitive sallaries.
As somebody who abhors government over-regulation in most markets, I still recognise the only way to save both the videogame market and videogames as an entertainment medium from a new cataclysmic collapse, is airtight regulation and tying most of these abusive methods directly to the same laws used to regulate casinos. Chop the infected limb off.
Timestamp: 1:03:30 These moments when he talks about something and then something else confirms the thing he was just talking about. This got me thinking about what I know about psychology and the human brain. We live in this world and make predictions, and sometimes our observations and what we think of those observations turn out to be correct. This reminded me about a scene in the 2nd movie (I think) of national treasure 2, when nicholas cage and the women were locked in a cell after having a fake argument and they talked about making guesses and turning out to be right. That got me thinking about a poem made by Bobby Sands called- "Rhythm Of Time". Then ALL of this got me thinking about infants not knowing anything at all to them acquiring information as they get older, and this led me to the realization of one thing....when you have figured out how the world works holistically, you are presented with two choices, sacrifice your morals for profit in some way, or keep your morals and live a role that you've convinced yourself belongs to you.
I started playing Maple Story pre-Gachapon. I will never forget the misery that introduced to the marketplace, the social factor, and inequality in getting farm/boss rooms.
BTW Maple Story did paid cosmetics on launch, years before the gacha.
One thing i will say is that Dota 2 does the Battle pass well considering that a portion of the international battle pass goes toward the payout for the international tourney itself so something like 20% or around there goes to the winning teams. which boosts the payout considerably. Because of this Dota 2 international has something like 6 of the top paying tourneys ever in E-sports
yes E-Sports, Dota 2, Paladins, and also probably Rocket League. Really booming it is...
I loved old MapleStory, it was my childhood.
And the thing about MapleStory, is that you could make alot of ingame money inside the game for free in the free market, if you learn prices and you do noob trades.
I never spent real money on MapleStory but I was very rich in the game.