The WORST Mistake in Warrior Cats
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2021
- The Warrior Cats books are no stranger to making mistakes, but a recent mistake shines above all the overs.
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Whitestorm is really impressive, he apparantly became a warrior while his father, Thisleclaw was an apprentice. GOOD JOB WHITESTORM👍
CONGRATULATIONS WHITESTORM!
Thislepaw During white storms warrior ceremony:That's meh boi!
I also realized snow fur was already a queen while whistle was an app..when the heck does the start of the book happen-
Nono, he managed to be born while his father was a child, he cloned himself, AND one of his clones because a warrior. Great job white storm
At first I thought Cloudtail was his clone I guess that failed then GOOD JOB WHITESTORM👏👏👏
he is super cat
Mm yes, isn’t it wonderful that Whitestorm definitely got to be made a warrior with his mother and clone by his side? Warms my heart ❤️
Also Whitekit wasn't born until after Thistlepaw became a warrior. So Snowfur shouldn't be in the nursery yet.
@@pockets3265 ah, warrior cats. What ever are we going to do with you?
@@pockets3265 they wanted father and son to become warriors together, how sweet ❤️
@@pockets3265 I guess they decided that all Snows need to be pregnant with an apprentice. First Snowbird, and now Snowfur...
@@ladykatie8204 It's worse that Running & Mouse are on there, since they're born way after Whitekit. But they're warriors?
"not supposed to be a Warrior and a kit at the same time!"
. . . Badgerfang?
You killed me omg xD
I read this when she said it-
Coincidence? i think not!
Bruh
When I first heard it I was like, 🧐🤨 how can a KIT have a WARRIOR name?
Oh my goodness Badgerfang yes
It’s been a while since the authors released a prequel. It would make sense why they made mistakes, but mistakes like THESE? Oh dear. Erin has messed up.
All they had to do is reread bluestar super edition and crookedstar super edition since it based on that timeline
@@sandywolfr26 lol yeah they could have just looked at the allegiances of those books
Honestly I can't wait for a Moonkitti video about this, she could make so much fun of this...
She did one. "Graystripe" where Graystripe calls Mistystar "daughter". 🙃
3:54 And I'm reading"Bramblestar's Storm" now...🤣 It will be funny.
@@Stefi_C Yes, but I mean about the Leopardstar's Honor allegiances and not about mistakes:)
@@essaytime As I said: it will be funny. :)
@@Stefi_C 'Silverstream you won't believe it this is my real father!'
Whitekit: hi whitestorm
Whitestorm hi whiteki- wait a minute....
New Superedition "Whitestorms Time-Machine" confirmed.
Description: The warrior cats books are no stranger-
Me: *to love?*
Description: to making mistakes
Me: *o h*
YOU'VE GOT THE RUUULES, AND SOOOOO DO IIIIIIIII
@@UUEBWISJSVUSSNIFFUEUE A FULL COMMITMENTS WHAT IM THINKING OFFFFF
YOU WOULDNT GET THIS FROM ANY OTHER GUYYYY
@@UUEBWISJSVUSSNIFFUEUE NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP
@@coyotix IIIIIII JUST WANNA TELL YOU HOW IM FELLIMGGG
I have to agree this is the worst I`ve seen, but another bad one is in Crookedstar's Promise, when the fresh-kill pile is reffered to as the "fresh-kill pie". I'm never letting that one go.
IM DYING LMAOO
"Mmmm mouse pieeee"
Om nom hmmmm this is like pastry
"What do you have in this... Fresh-Kill Pie?”
“Oh, thrushes, mouse, rabbits, squirrels, starlings... We are blessed by Green-Leaf!”
“An apple pie please.”
HELP IM GETTING CROOKEDSTARS PROMISE NEXT WEEK AND IMMA BE LOOKING FOR THAT
"This was a disaster waiting to happen. And that disaster did indeed happen." -Bright Guardian Akira, 2021.
Anyone remember when Clawface died in Forest of Secretes And was alive (and had quite a major role) in Tigerclaw’s fury? And how he had a son that would be an elder at that point in time?
Didn't he die in Fire and Ice?
I haven't read tigerclaws fury, but I want to. Should I read it? I've only finished omen of the stars.
@@Vivian_Moon_ pretty sure it was in FoS. They discussed the battle after Tiger’s exile
@@paulocastillo9458 If you want to go ahead. I don’t think there’s anything bad about it (except the inconsistencies)
@Sofia Lozano I've had many, MANY spoilers. When I was only reading the prophesies begin, I knew leafpool was going to break the code with crowfeather, and I knew dovewing ran off with tigerheart, because I accidentally read Tigerhearts shadow (lol ) so yeah, maybe I'll read it
Theory: Whitestorm is going to do a pro gamer move and become second Cinderpelt-Cinderheart
Wouldn't he be the first though,since Cinder is younger then him---
@@fable1657 yeah but it's in later released books so debatable
"I am renaming Whitestorm into Cinderpeltheart" ~Firsetar at the lake territories.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
WhiteRain /j
WhiteEars (I'm not creative)
I feel like they made an ai and inputted all the allegiances into it, and it just spit out something random and they said "Yeah that makes sense"
They’re using AI dungeon to make warrior cats LMAO
When Mousefur and Runningwind were shown to be warriors even before Thistlepaw and Rosepaw became warriors, I cringed.
Erins, please proofread your mistakes over... I'm sorry, but an error in every Clan is an error in the book itself. Thank you for bringing this to attention. :)
Mousefur and runningwind are in my top 10 favourite warrior cats so I’m really upset that they did that
The German translators are really bad, messing up names all the time, cutting entire paragraphs etc.
The allegiances for Pinestarʼs Choice were all over the place because every cat that appeared in the book was placed in the allegiances, even though about five years pass during the book.
Goosefeather is there twice, for example.
I didn't know the actual authors could make such stupid mistakes too.
I read the arcs 1-6 in german and the names are being messed up all the time! Just why? Nearly all toms who have the suffix -fur are being changed to have the suffix -pelt. The name changes don't even make sense, they are just confusing lol
Yes and characters have different translations in different arcs/special editions. For example in the main arc, Thistleclaw is translated as Distelkralle or Distelklaue, in Bluestar's super edition he's translated as Stachelkralle. I also really dont understand their decision to change Crookedstars name to "Stripestar"? In the main arc he's called Stripestar so obviously in his super edition, they needed him to change his name to Stripe- to fit the original arc, while also having the "Crooked"-prefix because it's important for the character development. So StarClan changed his name while giving him his 9 lives from Crookedmouth to Stripestar because "You suffered enough". Like I understand where that's coming from but it's so weird that his name change through StarClan only happened in the German edition?
(Similar with Brightheart. They didnt think her original Bright- prefix would be important so they changed it to Corn-, only for Firestar to completely change her name to Lightheart in the end, while in the English version she just returns to her old apprentice/kit suffix)
@@Lee-ss8yj WAIT THAT WHOLE THING WITH FIRESTAR CHANGING BRIGHTHEARTS NAME TO BRIGHTHEART ONLY HAPPENED IM THE GERMAN TRANSLATION OR AM I UNDERSTANDING IT WRONG?!
@@historydude844 No you're understanding it wrong. He changes her name to Brightheart in the original English version as well. However in the English version her apprentice name was Brightpaw, so "Brightheart" isnt a completely new invention, but just him returning to her birth name. (In English she goes through "Brightpaw -> Lostface -> Brightheart").
In the German translation her apprentice name is Cornpaw. So him naming her Brightheart (more direct translation of the German name is Lightheart) is a completely new 'invention' of Firestar, rather than him returning to her birthname (She goes through "Cornpaw -> Halfface/Lostface -> Brightheart/Lightheart")
@@Lee-ss8yjohh thank you! Sorry for the misunderstanding!
I have a feeling that this is just the writing team taking advantage of the fact that pretty much nobody reads the allegiances lol.
Edit: Y’all chill I was joking 😭
I read them every time unless I'm rereading an entire arc at once
I read them but usually skips riverclan cuz they are never important. Unless it a riverclan book then I read them all
Fun fact: you’re wrong
Bro I feel like I read those more than the actual books lmao, as a fan fiction creator I am constantly wrighting out new allegiances, It's probably one of the most important things to reference while writing your own or wanting to understand who or what a character is yk
Me who analyzes then carefully before reading the book-
I can’t believe I forgot one of my favorite cats, Whitestorm, existed until now.
Even FrostFur was more memorable since she was in omen of the stars briefly. Warriors did not do any of those background gen1 characters justice.
Who was Frostfur again?
Maybe it's because I only just finished story arc 1 and I'm new to the fandom but whitestorm is a pretty heavy bg character idk I can't imagine forgetting him. *Spoilers!* He was firestar's deputy. Idk he was one of my favorite characters and I'm really upset he died. He literally carries the whole clan on his back soooooo many times while bluestar goes berzonkers and fireheart was scrambling to figure out how to be deputy. I'll be real I totally cried when he died lol I wished they hadnt killed him he's like literally one of the only cats who dies in that battle and it makes me mad.
Also I think frost fur gets mentioned maybe like 5 times through the whole first main story... While whitestorm is mentioned numerous times in ✨most✨ books in that set. She must have something big come up later cuz when they mentioned her going with them to fourtrees for the battle with blood clan I had almost forgotten she even existed. I was like ohhhh yeaa... That other all white cat... Also can we just talk for like 2 sec about how all the other cats "made fun" of cloud tail for being an all white kit and having no camouflage when there were literally 2 other all white cats in the camp? Lol sorry just had to mention that since we brought them up. I just feel like the bg characters get completely forgotten about by erins until they need them lol
@@twist_ending7545 she’s an elder in TNP and decided to stay with the others. Frostfur is also Bluestar’s first apprentice
@@Carlie_flower I honestly think they made fun of cloudtail was because he was born a kittypet
Okay but like. How do you mess it up so badly that Whitestorm is a kit and a warrior and his dad is an apprentice while his mom is a queen?
Also I think I saw a post that said Bluestar is also an apprentice in the allegiances-
I believe they give someone else who has never read a warrior cats book in their lives the task to create the allegiances 😂
And since Erin Hunter themselves write so many books, they get confused with all the characters and different book series and rely totally on the allegiances 😂
Erin Hunter is actually a group of people writing the books I think?
@@theaveragecomment1014 yes
@@lef2617 Thanks for changing it =)
@@theaveragecomment1014 changing what? I always wrote „they“
@@lef2617 Yeah, you edited the comment? thus making a change? I'm not trying to be aggressive I'm just thanking you? O-o
The biggest mistake in warriors is the writing. The plots have potential but they're executed in the worst way
It wasn't...
@@aw3ff340 I'm aware.
@@Clooover Oh really? Lol
@@aw3ff340 Mhm
Heh 😅
I mean we keep saying that the Erin’s are bound to make a mistake with so many books, but as readers, we take in just as much information as the writers. The writers should know the bare minimum of a characters age and parents. I’m not mad, just really confused on how this happened. Whitekit had a whole scene over his mother’s death- it’s hard to forget who his mother and father are.
Okay but one that always made me laugh was in Yellowfang's Secret, when they had called Raggedpelt "Raggedstar" before he was made deputy, and it pretty much foreshadowed it
Yeah I remember that
ikr 😭
This just shows how much of a mess the warrior cats family tree is.
I tried to make a Warrior Cats family tree with a good family tree making app. I still have it there but It's too much, I've worked on it for probably an hour with all the information needed from the Wiki in case I forgot something and there is so much done yet I'm far from finished. The family tree sure is a mess.
the worst mistake is that this book is supposed to take place before into the wild, and leopardstar is somehow leader despite her being crookedstars deputy, and crookedstar being leader in into the wild.
It starts before into the wild seemingly with Leppardstar as an apprentice still but the end of the book is going to take place during Into The Wild from what I understand
@@ezra-jacksimas9613 ah alright
In tallstars revenge, after Shrewclaw is made a warrior, he still gets called Shrewpaw at one point. And in rising storm, in the alligances, it calls mousefur a ‘Small dusky brown tom’
In yellowfang's secret, tall tail and shrewclaw are shown as warriors well before barkpaw is introduced as hawkheart's apprentice
Honestly I think Beetlewhisker has it the worst. He died in The Last Hope, and confirmed dead in Dovewing Silence, but in Vison of shadows when dark tails cats take over the river clan camp he is one of the warriors fighting Darktails cats
What
@@UmbraDaiwrfol lol auto correct messed me up so bad when I was writing the comment
i haven’t read the books in a while but im pretty sure at one point Mistysyar says “Petalfur is dead” and then proceeeds to ask Petalfur to send a message to windclan.
with Greystripe, im gonna just throw it out there. I think they wanted to put a little dementia in this with Greystripe as he is one of the oldest cats in the clans and they wanted to show his old age like they did with Greypool.
But
Mistystar
is
older
they got rid of the mistake in next printed copies tho, so it's not intentional.
So in conclusion, no one read the allegiances at this point. Not even the authors.
Remember when everyone read allegiances?
Me neither
I always avoided these because I didn’t want spoilers XP (at times the allegiances had cats in positions they only got there later in the book)
I would actually love 2 whitestorms he’s just that sweet
Thistlepaw: sees white storm as warrior while he is an apprentice, “THATS MA BOI!!”
These mistakes are on par with Graystripe's parents being siblings. For frick's sake, Erins.
Yeah, I know they didn't know how far Warriors would go when they wrote the first books, but they really should have decided things like family trees for all the cats in each Clan beforehand, rather than retconning them in later and causing so many mistakes, inconsistencies, and intra-family relationships that only became so once they added the details.
Of course, real cats partner up with whoever, but these cats come across as having more human standards, so...
But then they would have had to start with a lot more characters.
@@zoegallamore7984 this! I wouldn’t have minded too much if they weren’t as organized as clans with religion and codes. It’s just the inter family part with their intelligence is weird. If they weren’t as organized I would have gotten over it since real cats but they seem to be morally human like so I really really agree.
The Whitestorm situation is just so weird because..
1, his dad's an apparentice.
2. He's a kit and warrior.
3. Snowfur is alive when he's a warrior.
I read the extended preview on the Warriors website last night during my insomnia boredom and honestly even the writing was sub par. I found a lot of super basic editing mistakes; and I mean like actual rules of writing were broken on multiple occasions, so it felt more like reading a fanfiction than an official book. Often times when reading fanfics I find myself editing in my head when there are mistakes and just mentally correcting so that it's grammatically correct/properly formatted/etc. and I was not planning on having to do that for a professionally written work with an actual editing team
This is a preview though, so maybe at least some of the mistakes will be corrected
@@springmelodies3588 hopefully you’re right. I’m slightly worried that it’s too late for edits tho
Plot twist:WhiteStorm found a time machine and went to see himself as a kit.
They cloned Whitestorm so one of them could be Ashfur's father.
do they even have editors for these? I love the books but fact-checking can't be that hard by this point
You know what this means.... The writers are running out of name ideas.
They are not mistakes. It's just running out of ideas.
Well queens have a lot of kits lately so why not just name them after someone long dead heck there are like 4 Robinwings
@@umbreonattack at least Bramblestar choose different suffixes for holly, fern, and whoever else.
True that
Looks like somebody became a time lord…. Looking at you Mistystar
Weren't there two frecklewishs in the series as well? The one that got killed by mapleshade and I think the other was in the reformed sky clan. And two mudclaws. One in shadow clan in yellowfangs big edition and the obvious wind clan one. This is not the only time things got funky.
Different cats having the same name at different points in time is fairly common, and not really that weird. Loads of humans share the same name. I do find it somewhat odd when we get Silverstream and Silverpaw, two separate cats, in the Clan at the same time though. Sharing a prefix at the same time in the same Clan seems a little odd.
There’s also a mistake in Tallstar’s Revenge where Fuzzypelt and Robinwing are apprentices while Dappletail is a warrior. warriors. But in Bluestar’s Prophecy it’s actually the other way around
I feel like they should have just left CS promise, BS prochecy, TS revenge and YF secret as the only 4 prequel super editions- they kinda form a nice little quartet of "books that explain the original 4 leaders in the first book"
Me in the first few seconds of the video: authors make mistakes sometimes, they can’t remember everything they wrote over the span of a few months
Me by the end of the video: HOW DID THEY MESS THAT UP SO BADLY
I remember in Tigerclaw's Fury how Clawface not only is alive but have a good arc as a shadowcat, mate and father.
But he died by Graystripe at least one or two books ago lmao
There are two different Reedshines who served under two different Darkstars' leadership
So since there’s two white storms...does that mean the REAL white storm didn’t die from bone?! (It’s a joke)
They don’t care what they’re writing anymore😭 It’s ridiculous, they just want to pump out these books as fast as possible.
I’m curious, if the allegiances are this bad would it affect the actual story. To be honest I just got back into Warriors after not reading it for several years(I’m slowly catching up). I use to look at them in the next book I read after I saw a new cat become a warrior.
Yeah I usually use character births and deaths to tie the timeline together so I always look to the allegiances (if that doesn't work sometimes I just use major events like the great battle and the great journey)
@@umbreonattack Exactly! It should be a useful tool for us(even tho they do have some spoilers sometimes). It's sad that the fans care way more and are more careful when it comes to keeping track of the warrior storyline. I know these are kid books but even children will pick up on most of these inconsistencies. I wish they'd release less books if that meant they'd pay attention to their own timeline. Kids deserve to read well written books too.
Grasswhisker is exist, when her mother is kit, it's broke my heart
Even though the “cat cloning” of Patchpelt and Whitestorm has nothing to do with actual animal cloning it still reminded me of something cute I know: the first ever cloned cat was named CC, short for Copycat
2:37 if Mousewhisker was alive in this book, then we'd have some SERIOUS problems
Agreed
Imagine the mistakes are still there.
Oh man, your videos are so good and relaxing to listen to while working on projects. 💜
I’d just like to point out,they forgot to put the title on the cover of the book of Leopard'Stars honor. It just came in the mail for me today,and I was ready to see it…but,well,uh…there no title. It was super awkward. The cover was just Leopard'Star/Leopard'Fur standing in the water,staring. Yikes.
did you get a hardcover? the hardcovers have a removable sleeve with the "title" (aka the character art and then the title and other writing), and then the actual cover of the book itself under the sleeve is just the full character art, with no writing on it. did your copy come missing the sleeve?
@@opaiescents yes. I have a blue stars prophecy like that,but when I took the hard cover off,it had the name and title and author.
This is nothing compared to two different Reedshines serving under two different Darkstars' leaderships and Beetlewhisker dying in the Dark Forest then appearing alive again
I don’t care what any Erin says, the RiverClan cats in Mapleshades Vengeance and the ones in CoTC are the same. It seems like they were obviously planned to be, there are warriors with the same name like Darkstar, Reedshine, Splashheart and Eeltail who I believe are the same as the ones in MV.
There were also two Ashfurs! The one From The first few books in The first series was There, we acknowledged her, but when ASHFUR Ashfur came along, we completely forgot about the older one
That's worse than when Tigerstar was mislabeled as Firestar!!!😬
idc if im late, whitestorm must have been there when whitestorm (ahem) i mean white kit was born, while snowfur had been mates with an apprentice, who’s kit was older than he was. great logic there
I saw this on tumblr and I was like "how can you mess up this bad"
Speaking of two Whitestorms (for the thumbnail) if you look in ShadowClan’s elders in the first book, you will find Ashfur’s name twin
I've read sixty of the books, and at this point I don't even think /the authors/ are reading their own books. Like in Bluestar's Prophecy, they changed Crookedstar's mother in the allegiances! I read it a while ago, but I'm pretty sure it was Lilyheart (?!) or Lilystem or something. Her actual name is Rainflower. Like seriously? I know there are a lot of different authors, books, and many, many cats, but that's no excuse to make these huge errors. It seems like they're just pumping out books without even checking to make sure there aren't huge mistakes. For instance, I’ve heard there are many other errors in Leopardstar's book, like they re-ordered stuff in the chapters but didn't fix it. Not to mention all the typos, spelling mistakes, and random extra letters in the dialog of A Thief In ThunderClan. Like seriously did no one preview it before publication? I thought you guys were professionals. And in my opinion, one of the worst mistakes is that I’ve heard in the ebook of Riverstar’s Home Tigerstar is mentioned in the allegiances? Like um… he isn’t alive yet? Come on guys, that is just… tbh, kinda pathetic. Please do better with the upcoming books.
I’ve read about, 15 to 17
I've read 80 now ha. almost there
This is very in-related and I know this isn’t the first time you’re using it but, I really love your intro.
I legit found this this so funny, White storm's a scientist and has found out how to clone
I’m patiently waiting for Moon Kiti to start memeing on this. I particularly want the clones to meet.
Clearly Whitestorm was a Time Lord this whole time. Must have slipped away quietly after he regenerated
Someone should make an au with these clones 👀
Two Whitestorms... Bruh.
Oh hi there, didn’t expect you to be here :’)
Fun fact: There are also 2 Ashfurs! The most popular one, in the 2nd series with Squirrel'Flight, and a Shadowclan elder in the 1st series, 1st book.
I can just imagine Whitestorm being like one moon old and then beating everyone who challenges him
There's only one thing that makes this understandable......
And that is.....
TIME TRAVEL!!!
honestly Erins, the FANDOM KNOWS BETTER THAN YOU LIKE-
I just got the book it has not been corrected if anyone was wondering
Theory: Whitestorm stole a time machine from a twoleg inventor and traveled back in time to see himself as a kit.
I thought the continuity in Redtail’s novella was bad but this is on a whole other level.
I think the creators had a stroke all at the same time for this to have passed
tsk tsk tsk, Akira, don't you remember time travel?
in midnight, sorreltail is said to be an apprentice, but she did become a warrior at the beginning, which isnt that bad, but in moonrise, she is still discribed as a warrior, and the order of the new prophecy, midnight can start, it makes sense, but like moonrise isnt after midnight, it should be dawn, or maybe starlight
midnight, starlight, dawn, daylight, sundown, twilight
“These books came out before into the Wild started”
- Yeets into the Wild across the screen -
One would hope that authors create outlines including timelines before they start writing to ensure mistakes like these don't happen.. but there ya go..
Ok also in leopardstars honor, which I have, they mention her leader name 'Leopardstar' when she was still very much a warrior! Istg that they failed.
I thought Whitestorm was a she cat until Rising Storm
My favorite Warriors mistake will always be Ravepaw in the first arc.
Same
Two white’storms sounds like a treat to me
In the first book "into the wild" in the alligences introducing WindClan it only shows Tallstar
I have a later version of Leopardstar’s Honour and ThunderClan and RiverClan are fixed but not WindClan and ShadowClan. Also, MUDCLAW WAS PUT IN SHADOWCLAN
i dont really think they mean it that way. in crookedstars promise, there is a litter of kits noted that havent even been born at the beginning of the book, i think the clan lists are just a list of all characters that will appear troughout the whole book, not just the beginning of the book.
That’s what I always thought
You ever give birth to your son who is already an adult when your husband is still a teenager even though you were both adults when you had your son, and also you died before your son was an adult? A common situation I’m sure.
(Also I started reading the book before I watched this and did notice this mistake, thank you for making a video on it)
No Wonder why i always felt like there were 2 WhiteStorms in the book
Ah finally whitestorm is mentioned again he is my favourite character
Ah, before whitekit was born he became a warrior. How could you get anything better?
Possible spoilers [i think o-o]
I found a few lil mistakes while reading through the book [Leopardstar's Honor] like misspelled words like on page 110, 5th line down they wrote "His lifted his tail happily and followed her as - . . " I think it was supposed to have been 'He lifted his tail happily [i may be wrong]
I haven't finished reading but other than that and the warriors alliances , on page 129, Chapter 6 Leopardfur is still a warrior but 2 lines up from the bottom they have "Leopardstar bit back an angry retort, reminding herself -- " [that could be a mistake in the writing unless it was put there on purpose]
Thats a few/ 2 lil possible mistakes i found while reading but it may just be my book, I do very much like the book other than that lil bit and the timeskips
*Gasp* They made time travel canon!!!
To anyone who DOESNT have leopardstars honor wondering if this mistake was fixed, no. No it was not fixed. I just checked my Leopardstars honor.
thanks :)
Watching this and hearing about the time line issues and clones reminds me of that time travel au, lol. Maybe they're onto something.
Awsome vid like always!
We can blame the characters’ more memory recall of events apparently
Im not surprised they have to fix this before it releases
I looked back in the books and saw this for my own eyes...
So nobody's talking about how Snowfur is a queen and Thistleclaw is an apprentice???
There’s been so many lore mistakes and generally mistakes in Warrior Cats that it’s getting to the point where I’m expecting them while reading books
I was reading warrior cats and in the middle of the sentence it said "firestorm"
👁👄👁
I just finished reading Leopardstar's Honor, and I loved it!! It's really sad though...
*omg I noticed the Graystripe/Mistystar thing when I got Bramblestar's Storm from my library. WHAT THE HECK-*
In starlight, smokepaw is listed as oakfur's apprentice when he died in dawn on the mountains after a cliff fell under him