Why Experts Failed To Predict Russia's Invasion of Ukraine - Mark Galeotti

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  • @SK-lt1so
    @SK-lt1so Před 5 měsíci +3

    He's not an "expert".
    He's proven that.

  • @dawidlijewski5105
    @dawidlijewski5105 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Those "experts" ignore Russia's and region's history pre 1991. For anybody with basic knowledge of history and culture the invasion was an obvious move. Only unknown was the timing.

    • @marrs1013
      @marrs1013 Před 26 dny

      Even knowing the history it doesn't make sense. The Ukranians clearly indicated that they wish not to be under Russian influence. One Russian puppet leader already has been removed by Ukranians.

  • @planetmikusha5898
    @planetmikusha5898 Před 5 měsíci +9

    Perhaps the West needs more competent experts on the Russian Federation?

    • @StillAliveAndKicking_
      @StillAliveAndKicking_ Před 5 měsíci

      Or perhaps mind reading is impossible.

    • @joeycmore
      @joeycmore Před 5 měsíci +5

      Remember: US intelligence were screaming months in advance the invasion was inevitable. Buddy in the interview conveniently skips this.

    • @planetmikusha5898
      @planetmikusha5898 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@joeycmore British Intelligence was also convinced an invasion was coming.

  • @trashfeeddp
    @trashfeeddp Před 5 měsíci +4

    Ridiculous copout.

  • @jasonalmendra3823
    @jasonalmendra3823 Před 5 měsíci +8

    Wow. The CIA must had a bug in the Putinbunker.

  • @harrybarrow6222
    @harrybarrow6222 Před 5 měsíci +14

    Putin’s intelligence services probably told him what they thought he wanted to hear…

  • @edbop
    @edbop Před 5 měsíci +1

    Well that just tells you the so called experts you were listening to weren't so expert.

  • @dora71803
    @dora71803 Před 5 měsíci +6

    An old man who'd been around far too long, people were tired of him.

  • @deecee1522
    @deecee1522 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Putin reeks of desperation.

  • @madstrsleff2958
    @madstrsleff2958 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great talk 😊

  • @kamilziemian995
    @kamilziemian995 Před 5 měsíci

    This is very important question, no doubt about it.

  • @George-2115
    @George-2115 Před 5 měsíci +3

    A very useful perspective, worth watching right to the end, as the conclusion is spot on.

  • @rursus8354
    @rursus8354 Před 4 měsíci +1

    _"It doesn't make sense [for Russia to attack]"_ is not a valid reasoning when dealing with really foreign modes of thinking: _maybe it makes sense for them based on what they know and what their plans are._ I had another reason for thinking that Russia would invade Ukraine: _because CIA says so, and they are pretty professional nowadays_ (i.e. in 2022).

  • @lattehour
    @lattehour Před 5 měsíci +4

    why your experts failed there was a guy on euronews saying it for years exactly when and how will happen

    • @noahway13
      @noahway13 Před 5 měsíci

      Who? I'm not from Europe.

    • @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo
      @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo Před 5 měsíci

      Who? I'm from Europe.

    • @HisameArtwork
      @HisameArtwork Před 2 měsíci

      @@noahway13 there were actually many. even before Crimean invasion and annexation.
      now for example an american general keeps popping up on TV saying china will invade soon for 4 years now, he's saying that.
      eventually they'll be right.

  • @gendalfgray7889
    @gendalfgray7889 Před 4 měsíci +1

    May be experts forgot to take into account gopnik mafia psychology. I lived in 90s during during gopnik infestation and seeing putin speech and gestures give me flashbacks.
    Gopnik untold law №whatever : if fight inevitable attack first.

  • @harrybarrow6222
    @harrybarrow6222 Před 5 měsíci

    But, invasion requires preparation.
    Was the threatening massing of forces adequate preparation?

    • @a5cent
      @a5cent Před 5 měsíci

      If you are convinced the invasion would be over in two or three weeks, absolutely, it would have been adequately prepared. Not great, but good enough.

  • @johnwalsh4857
    @johnwalsh4857 Před 5 měsíci +5

    yes risk averse but has that flaw/advantage of fighting it out when caught in a situation, in this case it is a massive flaw. since fighting it out until the end means he is digging deeper into the hole he fell in instead of trying to get out. Reminds me of that Japanese gambler in the movie Casino(Deniro Scorsese), he would bet the minimum until he was really sure he would win then bet massively. However if he lost the big bet, he would bet even more to try to regain his losses. That is Putin in a nutshell.

  • @paulkaiser8834
    @paulkaiser8834 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Huh? Pretty The US predicted it and warned allies/Ukraine appropriately.

    • @noahway13
      @noahway13 Před 5 měsíci

      Ukraine did not even believe it. They would have militarized and positioned the troops very differently if they knew the invasion was imminent. The x factor that nobody got right was how awful the Russian intelligence/ military performed.

    • @a5cent
      @a5cent Před 5 měsíci +1

      While true, that is a very flawed point.
      When it comes to Russia, the US "cries wolf" all the time. Most of the time it's unjustified, and it's correctly viewed as biased, because "crying wolf" serves our own geopolitical interests. After being wrong 10 times, we don't get points for saying what everyone already expects us to say, even if we do happen to be right for once.
      Moreover, the Europeans still vividly remember the US government literally fabricating fake evidence to dupe the world into believing US claims about Iraqi WMDs. That has irrepairably damaged our credibility. I wouldn't trust us either, because history proves we aren't that trustworthy.
      To top it all off, after insisting, time and time again how dangerous Russia is, we are now turning our backs on Europe, because while Europe can and is financing Ukraine's efforts, only we have the equipment and production capacity required to fight it. And congress is now preventing us from even delivering our old stuff.
      Would you trust anything we said about Russia if you were Europe? You'd be wise not to.

    • @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo
      @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo Před 5 měsíci

      True. US intelligence knew all about it since Dec 2021 at least. That month the US issues warnings to its allies and Ukraine. But not to 'experts'.

    • @rursus8354
      @rursus8354 Před 4 měsíci

      @@noahway13 We don't know whether Ukraine (Zelenskyy) believed it or not. He could have said that the imminent war info was false information, because he wanted to stop the risk for panic and traffic jams outside of Kiev. We'll know when he writes his memoirs some time in 2027-28.

    • @hyhhy
      @hyhhy Před 26 dny

      @@rursus8354 Zelensky already told in an interview (right now I don't remember which American paper it was) that he knew the special military operation was imminent but lied about it to the people.

  • @CollectiveWest1
    @CollectiveWest1 Před 5 měsíci +8

    Thanks for this. You have a good channel. Galeotti added nothing to my understanding here, stating the obvious. On the one hand, Galeotti states with absolute certainty in other videos that Putin will not attack any NATO member in future. On the other hand, he states here that the Putin regime is a black box because it is a personalised regime. So how can Galeotti make any predictions now? Galeotti has a preconceived notion that Putin is risk averse. But Galeotti seems to have trouble imagining how Putin sees the world from his closed bubble, based on Putin's KGB world view and without looking at the internet. If Putin believes (in a deluded way) that the current world order threatens the existence of the Russian Federation, then Putin could be capable of doing anything (and of believing that he will succeed), even if Putin is completely wrong in so thinking.

    • @noahway13
      @noahway13 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Yes, he gave a response like a politician.

    • @brianmccormack6575
      @brianmccormack6575 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I think Galeotti bases his assumptions on two factors. Number 1 is that "Ukraine" is viewed by Putin and many Russians much differently than other parts of the former Soviet Union. They really believe that Ukrainians are just "funny speaking Russians" or "Little Brothers." I was living in Russia during 2014 and I was shocked how many Russians I knew supported the annexation of "Our Krim". It was theirs, treaties or law be damned. Many still think the same about Eastern Ukraine. The second assumption is that Putin learns from his mistakes. All indications are that Putin thought that Ukraine would fall quickly. The Ukrainian military of 2022 was no better than the Ukrainian military of 2014. Everyone knew that their was some corruption in the Russian military just like all of Russia, but not the extent. I guarantee you that Putin was incredibely shocked to find that his imagined invincible Russia Military was a Potemkin village. Putin knows that his military has no chance against NATO. However, Western Militaries have to take potential threats serious and need to prepare to defend against possible Russian aggression. I think the threat is slight too, but "hope for the best while preparing for the worst."

  • @johnwalsh4857
    @johnwalsh4857 Před 5 měsíci +7

    since their brains were all clouded by Russia's military peacocking since 2000. Also the perfomance of the Russian army in 2014 and 2015 was impressive , the Ukrs were simply outfought and outgunned but what happened was the Ukrs learned the hard way, revised their military to NATO standards, NATO combat doctrine, Ukrainian officers were trained along NATO lines, and became flexible in command and control, Ukrainian command and control became a bit more flexible , along with development of artillery apps which served as a force mutliplier and NATO giving Ukraine lots of NLAW and Javelin ATGMs, along with drone warfare innovations. Meanwhile the Russians were not totally stupid they used cyberwarfare to temporarilly disrupt Ukrainian command and control at the start of the war, the cope cages on their tanks were a response to the Javelin and NLAW ATGMs, however the Russians most of the time really underestimated the Ukrainians, Russian army doctrine was old , Soviet ww2 era, Anatoly Serdyukov tried to reform the Russian army to a smaller more effective flexible efficient leaner force replace the Soviet combat doctrine to something closer to NATO lines,(less centralized command, etc), however he made a lot of enemies in the Russian military and was replaced by Sergei Shoigu in 2012. And Shoigu promptly rolled back the reforms and expanded the Russian military and other than that everything else was the same. Russian army troops were poorly trained, poor discipline, poor morale(due to many not being paid or underpaid and lots of abuse from their officers), very high corruption, poor corrupt logistics, vehicles were poorly maintained, officers many incompetent and corrupt. Command and control centralized and very inflexible. So what happened. Russians thought the war would be over in 3 days, at worse 2 weeks. Ukrainians would defect shower them with flowers, what they got instead, was bullets, javelins, and strong fierce resistance. which totally derailed the Russian war plans. the Russians simply did not expect the Ukrainians to put up such a fierce determined fight and fight smartly too. with excellent leadership and coordination and the population rallied hard and fought back. And this is the Ukrainian army which was looked down upon by western military analysts.

    • @frankmiller95
      @frankmiller95 Před 5 měsíci +2

      lf this is part of your doctoral dissertation, it could use a few paragraphs.

    • @johnwalsh4857
      @johnwalsh4857 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@frankmiller95 young people should really stop being lazy reading whats the world coming to hahaha

    • @ReimerGodt
      @ReimerGodt Před 5 měsíci

      2014-2015 both sides were not impressive at all.
      Much in Ukraine still was Soviet Standard
      afterwards.
      Ukraine soldiers only getting 1 month of basic
      training at home,
      apparently no handling of mines, etc.
      Ukraine gambles with the lifes of their
      soldiers, but talks otherwise.
      Even the Nazis on near defeat had
      basic training of 3 month during
      Winter 1944/1945.
      Learning ground mines the hard way
      is not advisable to me,
      but Danilov, Zalushnij and Zelinskij
      apparently think otherwise.
      The overall impression of Ruzzian army
      might be true,
      but there were enough battalions with
      normal behaviour,
      thus Ruzzia did not break down.
      A little alcoholism and corruption here
      and there appears in every society and
      army,
      especially conscription armies.
      Ukraine has a lot of conscripts trying
      to bribe army low ranks to not
      being conscripted,
      scandals almost every day since start
      of this Ruzzian-Vughledar-Style counteroffensive.

    • @frankmiller95
      @frankmiller95 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@johnwalsh4857 Um, what does that have to with comment? I'm neither young nor lazy, but when l'm looking reliable, insightful information on foreign affairs, l don't generally head for the YT comments section.

  • @karlikuris
    @karlikuris Před 5 měsíci +10

    Almost all you experts in the western Europe got this wrong, because you dont really understand russia. Ask from the countries who have suffered from russian occupation and border them, they understand.

    • @StepDub
      @StepDub Před 5 měsíci +4

      I would say instead that we didn’t understand Russia. Past tense. We were deliberately misled by Putin and his regime and at the same time our desire to bring Russia into our own world of commercial cooperation and prosperity. We Western Europeans believed that once freed from authoritarian Communist control that most Russians would embrace our philosophy of international harmony and move forward, albeit shakily, with us. We were wrong and (mostly, hopefully) know different now.

    • @noahway13
      @noahway13 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Wow. That was a great, honest, accurate response as I've ever seen on the internet. @@StepDub

    • @karlikuris
      @karlikuris Před 5 měsíci +1

      Who is "we"? Do you mean the western Europe? EE countries have constantly repeated to not underestimate russians imperialist ambitions. These warnings have always fell onto deaf ears, suffering from posttraumatic stress, we were told. In the 90s we were laughed at, in 2008, 2014, 2022... and still somewhat. Western Europe has a problem of looking down onto the eastern part of Europeans and not listening to them. Russians respect force, anything else provokes them. Western Europe still tries to appease and go back to business as usual with russians, Eastern Europe aims for the disintegration , humiliation and demilitarization of russia, if we want peace. That is the only way for them to move forward and become part of civilized society.@@StepDub

    • @StepDub
      @StepDub Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@karlikuris Yes, I have qualified what parts of Europe that I refer to, because I am aware of opinions of many in the Eastern European sector such as yourself. I am in complete agreement with you. However not all people from this area share that view and on the contrary still have a rosy recollection of those Soviet times. This unfortunately extends to their choice of government, notably Hungary and others.
      It is a shame that your voice and views were not heard and heeded earlier. I hope that you and like minded people from Eastern Europe protest your case wherever you are not being represented and vote in anti-Russian politicians when possible. While you can.

    • @jacek1765
      @jacek1765 Před 5 měsíci

      Experts in the western Europe still don't understand that putler is coming after them.

  • @romanroman1850
    @romanroman1850 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Like this guy pretty much, clear view, straight words)) and russian stiffness where it needed supersensitivity first of all))) and so this desastrous war..

  • @iainmore3961
    @iainmore3961 Před 5 měsíci

    Being cynical - Did they?

  • @raginald7mars408
    @raginald7mars408 Před 5 měsíci +2

    EX PERTS
    EX
    PRE TENDERS
    TALE TELLERS

  • @drakelang8342
    @drakelang8342 Před 5 měsíci

    Russian experts don't know much about Russia Speech going to start pontificating about Ukraine even speak the language of Nora been there

  • @jonathanbelanger6574
    @jonathanbelanger6574 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Lmao experts failed to predict? It was quite obvious to anyone with any sense that it had been coming for years lol

    • @flemminghansen6500
      @flemminghansen6500 Před 5 měsíci +1

      No it wasn't. It is two years later. Almost everybody was thinking that a war would at its maximum be an invasion of Dundas. It simply didn't make sense for normally thinking people that it would be a full scale attack on Ukraine.
      Can you as an example link to a comment where you said that a full scale attack was coming?

    • @jonathanbelanger6574
      @jonathanbelanger6574 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@flemminghansen6500 use your imagination

    • @flemminghansen6500
      @flemminghansen6500 Před 5 měsíci

      @@jonathanbelanger6574 or you could just answer the question...

    • @sidecar7714
      @sidecar7714 Před 5 měsíci

      The Ukrainians certainly didn’t behave as if they believed the invasion was likely

  • @jackie4chan
    @jackie4chan Před 4 měsíci

    Answer to that question:
    - most experts nowadays are more like shamans. No basis in data. Mostly trying to scare the audience. No integrity, no analysis what happened before, if the country or subject has history of similar conducts.
    Most “experts” seemed unaware that Russia and Ukraine are in defacto war since 2014. Most didn’t understand previous conflicts with Georgia or in Chechnya.
    - if even someone looked in data they were oblivious to political and historical aspects
    - if someone was aware about political and historical aspects they have not looked into the data
    - if there was one or two people who took all important factors and had something to say of substance, their voices were lost in sea of above mentioned dimwits that should sell fish on your local market.

  • @ReimerGodt
    @ReimerGodt Před 5 měsíci +1

    It was talked all around,
    that an invasion force would
    need a three to one advance
    to be successfull
    before the war started.
    Ruzzian forces were estimated
    being 120 to 200 thousand soldiers at
    Ukrainian borders,
    awhile Ukraine army was at
    200 thousand,
    which would make an one to one
    ratio.
    And it was to be expected,
    Ukraine would declare martial law
    and mobilization,
    thus giving Ukraine an three to one
    advantage.
    Also, to wait for Olympics to finish,
    but not to wait for Paralympics
    to finish didn't make sense,
    since that would have lead to
    diplomatic hassles with China;
    especially since war creates
    Paralympians.
    Putin wanted China to know,
    that he doesn't care about China.
    And China knows that.
    The argument to invade while still winter,
    I counter, that modern vehicles have
    more horsepower, than during WW2.
    It is still cold, soldiers sweat during day
    while moving and freeze at night,
    getting flue.
    Now, Pentagon claims 360 thousand
    Ruzzians at start of the war,
    but there were no reports of reserve
    troops being sat in trains,
    but only tanks from storage.
    A complete desaster for Putin for
    not building barracks first,
    move the units to new barracks
    and renovate the old barracks
    for yearly reservists update trainings.
    If he would have collected
    600 thousand soldiers at the borders,
    then everyone would have expected
    an assault.
    Putin likely wanted to secure some
    surprise moment,
    but also the surprising assaults by
    Hitler did not help the final outcome.

  • @AlanStrandbygaard
    @AlanStrandbygaard Před 5 měsíci

    This is the first time I've seen Mark being insecure about something.
    Don't worry, Mark, we're all humans :)

  • @kjererrt7804
    @kjererrt7804 Před 5 měsíci

    ukraine is winning?

    • @Justmekpc
      @Justmekpc Před 5 měsíci

      Kyiv in three days and here it’s nearly two years and still well under Ukraines control

    • @kjererrt7804
      @kjererrt7804 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Justmekpc so ukraine is winning isn it?

    • @kjererrt7804
      @kjererrt7804 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Justmekpcalso what is kiev in 3 days?

    • @Justmekpc
      @Justmekpc Před 5 měsíci

      @@kjererrt7804 what putin predicted that’d it’d fall and his troops would be greeted with open arms

    • @Justmekpc
      @Justmekpc Před 5 měsíci

      @@kjererrt7804 they’ve held off the second strongest military in the world for nearly two years Turns out Russia may be the second strongest military in Ukraine

  • @rogerdiogo6893
    @rogerdiogo6893 Před 5 měsíci

    40000 muhajedin defeated the russians, and 600 million europeans can't😢

  • @Kavala76
    @Kavala76 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Why don't you interview prof. John Mearsheimer who was correctly warning of this potential conflict back in 2015?
    I believe the professor has a better understanding of the historical context and geopolitical interests than experts like Galeotti.

    • @mongolexception
      @mongolexception Před 5 měsíci

      Nah. Mearsheimer doesn’t know what he is talking about. He also denied the 2022 invasion was going to take place 😂😂😂. He is a short sighted chap who only looks at things through ‘Great Power’ perspective. He is an old hack really. He doesn’t even acknowledge the Ukrainian absolute will for freedom and democracy.
      There is such a thing as self determination, as the Vietnamese proved. Sandwiched between the political interests of 3 (USA, USSR, China) it showed that you have to understand the will for self determination and autonomy. Ukraine is proving that once again. Mearsheimer is essentially a colonialist who can’t see past his own self importance.

  • @antoniogramsci8217
    @antoniogramsci8217 Před 5 měsíci +3

    All of you got it all wrong, thinking that you can push Russia around.
    Build Disneyland sponsored by Pentagon next to Saint Petersburg
    It was freaking obvious that it will eventually happen.
    Aha, I hear accents, that explain to me where this all shortsightness is coming from.

    • @wamingo
      @wamingo Před 5 měsíci +4

      Projection, as always.
      It's russia that wanted to push around.
      But when russia's regime has been changed we'll see about building you a Disneyland, ok?