Cat C9 Lifter Pre Failure Inspection .
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2022
- Pre failure lifter clip inspection & replacement of lifters .
There were a few C9 engine blocks that were manufactured with a casting defect , if let unchecked can result in lifter & camshaft failure . - Věda a technologie
This is some footage of a job at work that i carried out some time ago . Sorting out video / audio issues at the moment . I will be back to my usual content when the issues are resolved . Cheers .
hi Max ,
if you need help with the audio /video , please call me. I would be happy to assist you.
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I feel your pain with the audio video problems , though I enjoyed watching the teardown diagnosis explanation and repair of the c-9 too . Thanks for sharing what you do , very cool 😎
Not only do you know your way around a lathe machine you can get around a ratatat cat ,,, I enjoyed this video learn something new every day
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A small come along is one of the handiest tools a mechanic can own Max. Not only for rigging as you show here, but bolt removal. Just this week I was removing the fuel tank open a 1959 D9 19A dozer. of course the factory way back then welded a bracket to where you could not access two of the tank bolts directly. With the cable control and blade rope sleeve assembly in the way. The only way I could get on the inner 3/4" bolt on the right hand side of the machine was with a short ratchet that would just squeeze in there. No way I could pull it. Small come along to the rescue. Setting it so I could pull on the end of the ratchet handle and hopefully not slip off it broke the bolt loose and I was able get it apart without resorting to extreme methods. Cheers Max, A nice look into the life a Catman!
Sounds like you were going to have a look into the steering clutches ! Funny , i still have a tiny piece of sprocket fragment in my leg from one of those , the last time i did a final drive seal back in the 80's ! 👍
Turning a ratchet handle with a winch... Not sure I would ever have thought of that on my own. It goes in the tricky tool box now!
@@swanvalleymachineshop Close, having a peek at the brakes. Hmmm I'll be damned! I too had a fragment of sprocket stuck in my leg, miraculously it worked it's way out after a few years.
Prevention better than cure. 👍🏴
Cheaper & a lot less work !!! 👍
At least your hands won't go rusty Max.
Nice job.
Thanks for sharing
Never , My body will seize up first . The sooner i am back to full time machining the better ! 👍
interesting. thanks for sharing, hope you get back up and running soon
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Cheers Max, interesting video mate I've learned another bit of mechanics.
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very good job MAX,,thanks for your time
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They can't always bust your balls, thank goodness. Well done.
I probably bust my balls more than they do ! 👍
Nice work Max, always got interesting things going on your channel, enjoyed, thanks for your time and skills!
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@@swanvalleymachineshopplease describe the complain or troublec
An interesting repair. The lift rigging as shown to the clearance was a particular to this type I took note of, as well as the inspection for fault. And as the job shown to re assembly, the care to clean surfaces and torque process. A very particular maintenance instruction key to the process. It was nice to see the unit back to operation. Thanks for the view. M.
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Ahh the yummy "C" Series CAT. Great while they're running but a ripe pain in the rear when something goes wrong. I think back how many times I've had to work over one of those while still hot. No wonder my hands have lost so much feeling. Memories Max.
Yes , they have their moments ! Still better than working on 657 scrapers ! 👍
Thanks for sharing! Super job!
Thanks Sam . 👍
That was really interesting work. Thanks, Max. It's no wonder you have no fear when it comes to disassembling lathe carriages and the like. They are simple compared to your day job. Cheers.
Thanks . I used to do a lot of Caterpillar transmission work , lots of gears , bearings & what-not in those things ! 👍
Dang, big job but at least it's warranty work in a comfortable shop!
Lol . Yes , better than outdoors ! 👍
Very interesting max, your a Jack of all trades, great video, keep'um coming.
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I think a kinder description would be "versatile".
The "Jack of all trades" always carries the snide "master of none". From what we see, Max has an excellence ethic, together with a willingness to tackle work outside the "normal" narrow bounds of conventional trades. Long may he continue!
Nice aerobic workout Max
A bit of stretching involved ! 👍
A man of many varied talents Max.
Interesting indeed.
Coulda been worse I guess, coulda been a C9 in a cray boat and be doing that under the deck out at the Abrolhos Islands, in the sun rocking & rolling. 😜😂😂
I draw the line at boats ! Had to do job on 2 , V8 540 Perkins in a boat once .... never again ! 👍
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It’s definitely not a lot of fun.
Didn't know you did this kind of work, your just as methodical with this engine as you are doing machining work 👍just amazes us that those head bolts are that small, looks like our hotrod head bolts are larger than those but that head has about 4x the amount of bolts 🔩
Thanks . These are not as spectacular as a drag car when they blow up !!! 👍
Hello Max,
Good video... I liked the idea of marking the bolts before tightening them... I hope you have a good weekend.
Cheers
Paul,,
Thanks Paul . You have to mark them for the 90 deg rotation . 👍
that sounds strong! top job mate
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Great video Max and great explanation, take care, cheers!
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Hi Max ... Well done, I thought you would have had the Rattle Gun out a lot sooner. 😆 🤣 😂 . Thought you might have checked the push rods before they went in .. The Cat .. Purring like a Kitten
Push rods were fine . 👍
nice job max !
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G'day Max. Good to see you doing some on the job work, I wonder how many engines failed before they found the fault, good to see Cat supporting their customers.
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Peter
We already have had to change the cam in a couple ! The followers rotate 90 deg & wear off the cam lobe . 👍
Enjoyed getting to see you on your day job, and great to see the process you have to go through on some of those newer Cat heads I've heard its a pain but never seen it done nice job Max thanks for taking us along, hope you get your video issues worked out I know how painful it is to lose footage due to some quirky issue. Good Luck!!!! CHEERS!
Thanks . Just switching from a 10 year old I pad a go pro 8 . Not the newest , but within the budget ! 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop Oh cool deal, def consider doing a video on the go pro 8 been looking at swapping over to that from the wife's old Cannon digital camera. The only issue we have with it is the battery life is only about 20-30 mins of shooting videos so its alot of stops and battery changes but we like the memory capacity of the 128GB SD cards and its awesome to not have to deal with storage on a device and the stupid cloud. So if the GP8 can boost SD storage and extend battery life I think Its worth the $300 so im excited to see what you think about it! Cheers
G'day Max, great to see your day job my mate, bloody love it, thorough as always 👍
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That's a big lump in there Max! Easy looking to work on though, well designed pushrod mechanism. Nicely carried out. Cheers, Jon
Thanks . I will be glad when i don't have to work on this stuff & go back to full time machining ! 👍
Very interesting job Max looks like back breaking work. Cheers
Thanks . It is the climbing up & down that get's me , sooner i am full time machining in my own shop the better !!! 👍
Thanks for the video mate 👍🇦🇺
No problem 👍
cool vid Max! learned a lot
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Interesting. Thx for the vid.
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Interesting Max, were the faulty ones missed by quality the control inspectors on Friday afternoon at the manufacturers. I bet it makes a change working on a nice clean engine. Tony
It was only in a specific serial number range . Not sure if they changed the casting patterns or something . 👍
Hello Max. It's nice to have the scale on the crane so you know how much force you're putting on the head. I worked at a mine in the underground shop back when I was a summer student. We had a twenty ton bridge crane and some of the guys were so ham fisted if they had forgot to remove a head bolt they would have had the tracks in the air before they realized it. Ken
Hi Ken . That one is a 16 ton crane & the scale makes life easy when removing some large parts off a machine . 👍
I love the title Max hehe.
Cheers . Just picked up all of Bruce's Coventry die heads & chasers . Will be handy to have . 👍
Thanks for sharing 👍
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See, if ya had one of those engines on ya big lathe 🤣🤣👍👍👍
Could not afford the fuel ! 👍
I thought when you brought out the breaker bar it was going to be tighten till it strips and back off a quarter turn! This is the first time I have seen this tightening technique. Know about mikeing rod bolts on Lycoming Acft engines but haven’t seen the 1/2- loosen/ re-torque- 1/4 bit. Must work eh?
It's as per the Cat manual . Gives more pressure on the head gasket i guess . 👍
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It is in Australia ! 👍
Nice work,but what was really the problem of the engine before you concluded on changing the valve lifters
Certain serial numbers had an error on the casting putting side load on the lifter clips . Un checked , the lifter clip would break & the lifter would rotate destroying the camshaft . We used a die grinder to re profile part of the casting as per Cat special instructions on other engines . This engine , the casting was ok but still had to be checked . Lifters supplied under warranty from Cat . 👍
Nice to hear the Chisels playing in the background! Does the head need another round of tension once it's run and warmed up?
Can't beat a bit of chisel ! No the head does not require a retorque . 👍
Gday Max, what hp are the C9 rated at?, interesting job mate, Cheers
Would depend on their application . This one , 336D excavator is 268hp ( 200kw ) 👍
the injector nozzles of the cat 3066 engine of the Caterpillar 320c excavator. Do you sell them originals?
No we do not sell parts . All our parts are from a local Cat dealer . 👍
Those steel anti rotation clips are a weak design. I occasionally see them fail in the Deere engines and cause big failures when they take out the cam, drop a valve wreck the head and tear up a piston. They really should have designed a more positive setup.
The updated ones are supposed to be stronger . Maybe they should have taken a leaf out of Detroit's book & used the solid guide bar that they use on the 2 strokes ! They must have changed the patterns for the block castings as this only effects a particular serial number range .
Got a bit of everything going on don’t you !
Just a bit . 👍
How do you remove a stuck cam follower, the clip/hook broke off and the follower will not slide up and out ????
By force from the top . That sounds like the lifter bore may have to be bored & sleeved . I can not remember if they will come out the bottom . That may be an engine out & strip down by the sound of it . Check your serial number in case you can get a warranty claim if it is one of the ones with the blocks that have not been clearenced enough for the lifter clip .
@@swanvalleymachineshop it definitely has not been machined or clearanced. The hook Part of the lifter clip is gone/broken its the rest of the clip that snaps around the cam follower/lifter that we feel is keeping it from coming up and out. Next step is to pull the cam and oil pan and go from there.
I think they must have changed the cylinder block casting pattern . The old C9's did not have the problem . Our ones in 336D excavators that were new in 2013 or 2014 are the ones with the clearence issue .
I'll have to find out what year this one is 2005 sticks in my mind it's an 8.8 liter
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Please share customer complaint. Mention
Previous experience with lifter failure on these engines . Not all , just within a certain serial number range .
Well, it's obvious that it's not the first time you're doing this.
Hi Rusty , not my first rodeo !!! 👍