The Being of the Father is 3 Persons?!? 🤨
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In this video, a Trinitarian makes the absurd claim that "the being of the Father is 3 persons". There is no precedence for such a statement in the Christian tradition.
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I'm so glad I left Christianity! Alhamdulillah. Hearing Christians try to explain the Trinity makes my head wanna explode! So ridiculous!
Masha Allah
Alhamdulillah
@@ghostkilla2016 That doesn't make sense because attributes and persons aren't the same thing. Tawheed says GOD is one period. Very simple, the 99 attributes which btw aren't his only attributes have nothing to do with it. Trinity is a whole different claim. These are not comparable my friend.
@@ghostkilla2016
All Christian teaching is not biblical. 1. Nowhere in the bible does it say God is three entities three person three things in one being. 2.Jesus can never be God because He sits next to God in heaven.
@@ghostkilla2016
no philosophy out there can help you defend the nonsensical mythology of Christianity.
Muslims just don't get it bro, in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT one name, not names GOD is nothing like his creation but can become what ever he wants because he's all powerful and is capable of that... unlike allah he can't even enter creation the weaklean
He keeps equivocating on "being" and it confuses him. On the one hand, he wants to use being as a universal, and on the other hand he wants to use it as a particular substance.
I noticed that too, he keeps using that word a bit loosely
"The personhood in the personhood in the personhood" 😅
Wow this was crazy. I’m shaking my head like how can someone believe this. I’m not even speaking out of arrogance. Just concern for people have left their critical thinking. I feel sorry for them.
Dogma
"If my fellow polytheists don't express their polytheism in the way I've just now expressed it, they're going to hell."
"The being of the father is triune" and the same guy claims he doesn't put God in parts.
Al Hamdulillah for Islam. I thank Allah the Almighty for guiding me to Islam
O my, why do they make it so complicated
And in Corinthians they say God is NOT an author of confusion.
They waffle so much that they forgot what they said earlier.
سبحان الله والحمد لله ولا اله الا الله والله اكبر. No other words to express the gratitude for being a muslim and for the guidance Allāh (swt) gave us. Thank you brother JAKE for these educational videos
Wow wow wow this is like a mental gymnastics !
You ask 10 Christians regarding trinity and you get around 100 different answers.
I love it when a sophist is being thoroughly exposed
Lol on matt slick on speed dial.
It's not ' difficult ' it's ' impossible '
It's Shirk, may Allah protect us
When he describes "beinghood" it sounds like he is describing haecceity or a thing's "thisness" however given the fact that he already agreed that each of the divine persons within the trinity has their own idiomada (properties that differentiate them) this clearly can't be the case as this would violate the classical law of identity. I think this guy just ended up confusing himself more than he did the audience.
Edit: Now it's starting to sound like he's appealing to "functional monotheism" which for all intents and purposes is still polytheism.
Edit2: Now he's saying that "the being of the Father is triune" opening up the door to there potentially being an infinite amount of divine persons...
LoL
They've violated classical logic, affirmed the existence of true contradictions, fallen into several heresies, and it's only Monday 😳
26:28 🤣🤣 Barakallahufeekum for your efforts akhi! Don't know how manage to do it w/ a straight face but you got me crackin up in public!
Well done brother jake
I remember 🤣
A polytheist monotheist is an oxymoron.
This is like the Russian dolls explanation of the trinity, more things inside itself and then another things inside that etc
Good job
JazakAllah'u khairan brother
It’s like listening to mumbo jumbo explaining trinity
Shhhh
Who is mumbo jumbo?
@@homtanks7259 it’s a phrase basically meaning nonsensical talk.
@@Jay702 ok
@@welcometolife4237
Poke a little bit results in heresy.
Alhamdilillah for Islam.
Is the Father All knowing like that of the Son's knowledge, like that of the Spirit's too! The father's will is different than that of the Son's & the Spirit's.
I really like these videos
The *Creator* is not part of *His* creation.
I am as confused as he is😅😅
ALHAMDULILLAH ❤️ JAJAKALLA KHIRAN ❤️🙂❤️
⭐️🌸⭐️🌸⭐️🌸⭐️
Christianity is finished at this point.
The only way I can make sense on the guy's understanding of the "Being of the Father is Triune", is that he uses the term Being as a "Company"
eg.
"A" is God, is a Being, is Triune.
"B" is the Father, is a Person, and one of the Persons in the Triune.
So, whenever he says ""Being of the Father is Triune", he's referencing the "A", not the "B"
You can see this like;
1. Microsoft is a Company that is Big.
2. Bill Gates is part of Microsoft.
3. The Company of Bill Gates is Big. (not that Bill Gates himself is Big)
Next time, we should pin down the terminology more. Though, honestly, I won't be surprised if this turns out to be a heresy, cause Jake is right. This is the first time "Being of the Father is Triune" in that order is used that I've heard of.
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Wasted my time, the Xtians waffling
Good job catholic. What I gathered, is the trinity is not objective. everyone can come up with their own model. Then mine is the sun, the moon & the sky are one
Exactly… I’m just amused that no 2 Christians tell the same story. It’s a burden put on their shoulders by the church fathers after the Nicea Council.
did u end up having a convo with the other catholic who apparently holds the same weird triune being Father view? link me please if u did
No, it didn't happen
@@JakeBrancatella makes sense haha
What a confusing concept.
masha ALLAH
everything falls apart for the trinitarian when asked simple questions and they start bringing up things like the hypostatis when it has nothing to do with the conversation. theirs minds are in a blender and they make simple mistakes on doctrine. embarrassing bro.
11:30 Yes you did 🧐
This is what you have to understand to be christian? You know, christians boxed themselves into a corner when they introduced the trinity.
@anita Singh he destroys the trinity every time you should stay in your place you not ready.
Such a confusing theology
so anyone can come up with whatever undefined unexplained term then use it as a magic word. If we replace the word "being" with the word "nonsense" it wouldnt make a difference since there's no definition or explanation.
Good argument Jake
It's more complicated than Hindu
the end result is the same 👉🏻 🔥 👈🏻, may Allah protect us
At least Hindus are unapologetic about being polytheists, Christians despite this claim to be monotheists
The Christian invented a trinity within each person of the trinity! Just like that, the nonity was born. 🤣
Lmaooooo Christian man 🤦♂️, absolutely makes no sense
😂😂😂
Explaining something without understanding, easy thing to say this is mystery!
If the questioner is intelligent it's lifetime unsolved discussion!
God is not the author of confusion.
How can the Creator be comprehended by His creation? How can human logic, the creation of humans, be applied to a God Whom transcends human logic? How is it valid that human logic is sufficient to comprehend the Trinity? Just because something cannot be comprehended, doesn’t make it invalid.
So then I can make my own description of God because I don't comprehend him fully like the pagans do? Or should I stick to the simple concept of what our Creator taught us throughout all history and prophets which is he is only one God period!
We are given logic to know truth from falsehood. If ur logic is contradictory and u scapegoat it by claiming it's a mystery, then why try explaining it? We can literally rip apart this whole concept with the help of the old testament and the new testament themselves, which is an added issue for you.
@@WeAreGhuraba
*“We can literally rip apart this whole concept with the help of the old testament and the new testament themselves, which is an added issue for you.”*
Then let’s see what you have - go ahead & rip it apart, I dare you.
@@lxmzhg I don't know why you're surprised when much of your tradition doesn't even belong to you, and they believe as the Muslims believe, which is monotheism. Anyways, according to Jesus in john 17:3, who is the only true God?
Libyano Stop interrupting again dude it's annoying trying to explain for him as if it make anu sense just let him dig a hole for himself
I want to find these discussions interesting and even fruitful. That is not possible. Christian theology as it is articulated by any Christian is unintelligible, incoherent, and more often than not circular.
25:05 At this point three things are ringing in my head: Surah Ikhlas, Surah Al-Kafiruun, & ayat'ul Kursi.
I'm done.
The title is misrepresenting what CatholicTraditionalist said. Start at 44:40 and you'll see that he says there is not 3 persons of the Father, as in father#1, father#2 and father#3. Instead, he means the being of the Father is God, and God exists as 3 persons, namely the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The title is a direct quote from him. The title says nothing about father #1, father #2, father #3. It simply says "The Being of the Father is 3 Persons," which is exactly what he said.
It's literally a quote from the video, which he repeated numerous times.
Explaining trinity is insane it’s completely ridiculous damaging brain🤯🤯⚰️🪦
If u ask 5000 Christians to explain the trinity, ull get 5000 different answers, they try to make the impossible, possible, what a joke.
it's triune beings all the way down