Is the God of Jesus a Trinity? Jake The Muslim Metaphysician and Rev. Samuel Green on
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In this special livestream, Mansur and Hashim host Rev. Samuel Green along with Jake Brancatella (The Muslim Metaphysician) to explore the way Jesus perceived God during his earthly ministry. Did Jesus ever worship God as a Trinity or advocate his followers to do the same? Or did he always teach others to pray to and worship a unitarian God and did the same himself? This is in sharp contrast to the preaching of the church, which asserts the worship of a Triune God. We shall also demonstrate the logical incoherence and contradictions within the 4th century doctrine of Trinity and Incarnation. Consider hitting the like, subscribe, and share buttons if you enjoyed this video and wish to see more content like it on this channel in the future.
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Samuel Green (and most other Christians) deserves a gold medal for the word gymnastics he has had to do to justify his belief.
Why cant all interactions be this respectful, it's beautiful.
Muslims should set & maintain this standard always.
Yes, I agree
True, but I see ppl saying Muslims are rude. And atheists saying Muslim apologists are dishonest or not bringing intelligent arguments. I think they are biased and too critical though.
I am so happy to see that brother Jake is educating Samual Green with the Christian Bible.
Thank you for uploading it jake, you really are quite educated on these matters mashallah, may allah bless you.
My pleasure. Ameen!
@@JakeBrancatella with all due respect Question for Christians about John 3:16 DID GOD SEND GOD TO CRUCIFY GOD TO SATISFY GOD ?
Who is the ANTI CHRIST satan evil the God who KILLED INNOCENT Jesus on the cross in VIOLENT BARBARIC way in the name of LOVE and called him the CURSED ONE or the God ALLAH who saved Jesus from the crime of the cross in the name of LOVE and called him the BLESSED ONE ? Do you consider the crime act of the Jew and Romans against the innocent Jesus on the cross as act of TERROR or act of LOVE ? What do you call the master mind who plan the torture and killing of Jesus on the cross in barbaric way in the name of LOVE for your salvation ?
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Jesus (a.s) could easily have said, (while praying) at some point in his ministry, "in the name of the father, Son and holy spirit".
Then answered questions about why he prayed in their name.
He never did this.
Jake you were awesome in this debate.. Masha Allah.. Maybe you can have guests on your channel as well
Yes, I will try to in shaa Allah
I've debated Samuel in the past and all I can say is his a very respectful man
the way you made Samuel Green stumble! OMG best moments of this stream!!! your a legend bro
Glad you enjoyed!
Time stamp plz?
Samuel is a nice guy, but he didn’t seem very prepared at all, so the discussion was more or less Jake just educating Samuel.
I now fully understand what ALLAH (SWT) Meant when He warned Christains to desist from their Pagan heretic called "Trinity". We cant thanks God enough for making us Muslims. Worshipping the absolute One God.
Great and intersting debate akhi, may Allah reward you!
Ameen!
Trinity seems to be 100% paganism. Literally zero differences in the way Samuel is describing it
Jake made brilliant logical points whereas Samuel just wanted to throw logic out of the window unfortunately.
Father is God.and jesus is the messiah...prophet...thats it...lets move on together amicably
The young Samuel Green vs Ahmed Deedat. Then, Old Samuel Green vs young muslims.
41:40 awkward moment when a christian rotate his brain to find some justification.
41:28 MIC DROP! someone needs to clip that, nearly knocked Samuel out lol subhanaallah!
Good idea.
Mashallah bro
I hear all Samsul explanation and got headache😝😂🤪
The name of the Muslim brother from America is ( jake brancatella)
The first question hashem asked was where does Jesus advocate for a triune concept of god. Sam doesn’t answer the question instead says they pray through the son by the spirit. Where does Jesus say this means the son and spirit are part of the godhead?
At 1:39:00 - 139:24 even the dog disagrees with him!
I tot you are mocking Him then I heard barking voice in the back ground 🤣
Concept of God in Islam.
Monotheism, belief in one God, is the most important and foundational concept in Islam. Muslims believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything within it. He is unique and exalted above everything He creates, and His greatness cannot be compared to His creation. Furthermore, He is the only one deserving of any worship and the ultimate purpose of all creation is to submit to Him. The Islamic understanding of God is distinct from all other religions and beliefs in various respects since it is based on a pure and clear understanding of monotheism. This essentially captures the concept of God in Islam, which will be further elaborated in this pamphlet.
Muslims often refer to God as Allah. This is a universal name for God and does not refer to an exclusively ‘Islamic’ God. Interestingly, this name is related to the Aramaic and Hebrew names for God, Allaha and Elohim. Therefore, Allah is simply the Arabic name for God which affirms that He is One singular God with no partners or equals. The name Allah cannot be pluralized or limited to a specific gender, which establishes that God is One and that He is unique from everything He creates. Muslims continue to use this original Arabic name for God (Allah) since it perfectly expresses His unique qualities.
God is the Creator and the Sustainer of the universe who created everything for a reason. Muslims believe that He created humankind with a simple purpose - to worship Him. He sent messengers to guide people in fulfilling this purpose. Some of these messengers include Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, peace be upon all of them. They all taught a consistent message about God by affirming His greatness as the Creator and guiding people to worship Him alone. This basic concept has always resonated with people’s natural understanding of God. (Click here to learn more about prophets in Islam.)
When the final prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him (pbuh), was asked about God, the answer came directly from God in the holy book of Muslims, the Quran (also spelled ‘Koran’): “Say, ‘He is God the One, God the eternal. He begot no one nor was He begotten. No one is comparable to Him.’” [112:1-4] This is a clear statement by God describing Himself to humanity without any room for confusion. God is One and is exalted above everything He creates and He is capable over all things.
Fully accepting the oneness of God is to accept that He is distinct from everything else. It would not suit God’s majesty and glory to associate the limited attributes of His creation to Him because He is not restricted in any way, while His creation is. He is the First with no beginning and the Last with no end. Everything in the universe was created by His will. He is not confined by space or time and He is the only One who is in control and provides for His creation.
“He is God: there is no god other than Him. It is He who knows what is hidden as well as what is in the open, He is the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy. He is God: there is no god other than Him, the Controller, the Holy One, Source of Peace, Granter of Security, Guardian over all, the Almighty, the Compeller, the Truly Great; God is far above anything they consider to be His partner. He is God: the Creator, the Originator, the Shaper. The best names belong to Him. Everything in the heavens and earth glorifies Him: He is the Almighty, the Wise.” [Quran, 59:22-24]
Why did God create people whom He already knew would reject Him and go to hell? Shouldn’t God who is All Loving instead not create them so that they won’t go through punishment? These are some common questions connected to this topic. Answered by Nouman Ali Khan
Pure Monotheism
“God: there is no god but Him, the Ever Living, the Ever Watchful. Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. All that is in the heavens and in the earth belongs to Him. Who is there that can intercede with Him except by His leave? He knows what is before them and what is behind them, but they do not comprehend any of His knowledge except what He wills. His throne extends over the heavens and the earth; it does not weary Him to preserve them both. He is the Most High, the Tremendous.” [Quran, 2:255]
The primary pillar of Islamic belief clearly states that there is nothing worthy of worship except God. Associating partners with God or attributing qualities of lesser beings to Him is considered to be the greatest sin in Islam.
In the past, this often took the form of idol worship or praying to multiple lesser gods. Although this is less common now, the current era has replaced many of the physical ‘idols’ of the past with other contemporary ‘gods.’ Many people today allow passions like entertainment, drugs, relationships or material objects to become the center of their lives. They become so consumed with these things that they submit to whatever will allow them to fulfill their desires. For example, if a drug addict allows their addiction to control their actions, beliefs, feelings, and behaviors, causing them to risk their personal safety and the safety of others, that drug has essentially become their god. Likewise, if another person puts a loved one before God by obeying that person even if that causes them to transgress against God’s commands, their loved one has taken precedence over God.
Islam teaches that people should completely submit only to God as He is the only One worthy of their worship. He is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe and everything in it belongs to Him. The Quran points out the faulty thinking of those who worship other than God:
“‘How can you worship things you carve with your own hands, when it is God who has created you and all your handiwork?’” [37:95-96]
Better answers are available...
While listening, Brother Mansur was probably saying in his mind "Rev Green's ignorance is beyond any education".
Samuel comes across as nice but some of his debates he does "drop" in niceness, bringing false arguments like the likes of hatun and david wood do, just to avoid answering a question asked of him. I must say he hasn't done so in the last few discussions I've seen him have with muslims lately.
A lot of his arguments are about an airy fairy christianity not one based on scripture
He didn't do it in this one. I thought he remained respectful despite difficult questions presented to him.
@@JakeBrancatella he has been respectful lately which I do grant. He does always contradict himself when you continue with the point, brother you did a great job as always, may Allah bless you, ameen. Would love to see another full moderated debate of yours, you bring a whole different level to the debates, MashaAllah.
Great Video guys just as usual Christians contradict themselves even one of their preachers he didn't answer any of the questions especially the main one
Trinity revise the rule of grammar & turn it on its head
Samuel this was sad to watch when your talking so much but not making any sense.
Does Samuel Green really believe in these things he's saying? Do they honestly make sense to him? These shouldn't make sense to any sensible person. I'd just give up talking to him to be honest with no disrespect to him.
G غ + SUDAN.
Aetiological subordination (Nicene Orthodoxy) is not ontological subordination (Arianism). To argue that one leads to the other requires a fleshed out and controversial understanding of ontological subordination.
It's not controversial at all. It naturally follows.
@@JakeBrancatella syllogism?
Have you read either of these papers? Also, I will be having Dr. Ryan T Mullins on for an interview on this subject later this month on 2/24. He is the author of the paper in the first link. Do you have any questions for him? I'll make a note of it.
ojs.uclouvain.be/index.php/theologica/article/view/52323
www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writings/christian-doctrines/is-god-the-son-begotten-in-his-divine-nature/
@@JakeBrancatella
Yes. This was an important admission by Mullins and shows his honesty with the subject:
“One might try to reject (OSP3) and (OSP4) by saying that these premises are not natural interpretations of ontological subordination. If one wishes to make this strategy to avoid the argument, I should like to see what a more natural interpretation of ontological subordination looks like. This is not to say that there is no other natural interpretation of ontological subordination. It is simply a call for clarity on the exact understanding of ontological subordination.”
Moreover, the whole notion of aseity as a “great-making property” does not fit into the Patristic metaphysics of real essentialism and the essence-energy distinction.
Given the quote, one must define ontological subordination in a way that is coherent/better understood and also that avoids Mullins' arguments. If you have a definition that fits the bill I'm all ears. Secondly, there is an internal contradiction within Nicene Orthodoxy, including EO thought. This is something that I have pointed out on several occasions, specifically in my debates with Joshua and Beau. The internal incoherence is saying that the Father is greater than the Son and Spirit in virtue of being uncaused and then at the same time denying that aseity is a great-making property. So, aseity renders the Father greater than the Son, but aseity is not a great-making property? This is quite literally incoherent.
Jesus: My God the Father is greater than I
Trinitarians: Nope, you’re wrong, Jesus. You are equal to the Father and you are also God.
On jhn 1vs1 that Samuel is holding on to, his translation is wrong. If u read the Greek manuscript in that verse the word for the God of the and God is different one is a definate article and the other is not. On the verse the last phrase says "and the word was theos". (god). I personally think that the the Christian world don't understand there scripture language and it's usage. Ο Θεός is the definite word for the God. There is a deliberate mistranslation going on here. Same verse on good news Bible translation is different.
Is trinity some kind of schizophrenia?
lol sam just throwing mud at a wall ..seein wat stiks.... :)
This pagan are confused to explain himself delusional hilarious inconsistence Illogical 🤯🤯🤯
All this intellectual gymnastics that you brother Samuel is using to explain wat is not in there scripture to justify his position is appalling. How many Christians understands the trinity this way? Certainly not in Africa where am from. The con ept of trinity is different on our side of the continent. I will like to discuss further with you about brother Samuel Green on this mater, that is if he is inclined to
lol sam believes in a "light switch" god.... on/off/on/off
Two sided, intra-trinitarian dependence between the Father and the Son.
@Jake The description is extremely faulty and based on fallacies. For one, it begs the question that Jesus was not God ("...the way Jesus percieved God"), and it includes a Unitarian assumption.
I didn't choose the title.
@Mahmoud Boston 3 me?
@@profanotherletter4346 huh?
@@profanotherletter4346 oh i see 😅
The god of jesus is a thing in the bible too, jesus has a God that he is submitted to.