DEBATE: Jay Dyer vs. Jake the Muslim Metaphysician (Trinity vs. Tawhid)
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The timing is phenomenal Jake
Woke up for fajr.Alhamdulillah brother Jake defending Islam
Same here
@@gabrielaprofetaphillips1740 Jake dismantled his opponent my dear
lol did she deleted her own comment 🤭
@@homtanks7259where is the link for the GoFundMe?
@@Abd-al-Qadr
Ameen.
Jazak Allahu Khayran BarakAllahu Feekum Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen
Just finished praying 🤲🏾 fajr salah/morning prayer here in New York City and about to listen❤it is now 6:26am
Dude martyred Justin martyr💀😂 how you gonna throw someone you pray to under the bus? 🥴 calls him a heretic then backtracks saying he wasn’t classed as a heretic in those times 😭
Its bizarre how something isn't considered a Hersey until a council comes along and condemned it? So was it always a heresy, or does it become heresy ?
I don’t think the average Christian understands the trinity. They just simply believe it because they were told to
They want it badly actually cuz they do not want to bear the consequences of their sins, they will try to make it work, no matter the cost, a miserable, sick mentality.
@@sh-en2gyjust listened to his opening 15 and he barely touches his core doctrine.
Yup, the chat was funny during the debate with Christians saying Jay is winning, but none of them actually have the same view with Jay regarding the Trinity at all 😂😂
The average muslim doesnt understand anything which was debated here lmao
@@benk769 There is no muslim who doesn't believe what Jake said about Allah otherwise they can't be muslim. Allah is one. Btw Surah Ikhlas is one of the Surahs we recite every morning and afternoon, so even a 5 year old can recite. If you dont believe what states in surah Ikhlas you basically polytheistic.
Jay went from defending Justin Martyr as a trinitarian with his CC video, to calling him a heretic here lol 😂😂😂
Jay didn't call Justin Martyr a heretic. Jay called him a saint but one teaching was heretical. But that doesn't mean that Justin Martyr wasn't a trinitarian. Other church fathers would hold heretical teachings but that's normal. They're humans. That's why we have the church. The church is like a law. The church shows us where the saints might be wrong but that doesn't mean that they're heretics
@@vaso2000 A heretical pagan saint. Fits in perfectly with the God of Neoplatonism lmao
@@TheProofLady ok keep yapping
Powerful response lol. Imagine depending on ‘saints’ for apostolic succession that can’t even get right who God is.
@@dri-fit9712 I don't wanna waste time to people who won't listen. I already explained that saints made mistakes too and he still won't listen. Basically it's a waste of time
He knows and does not know at the same time, very Trinitarian lol
I just started watching did the christian actually say that 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I hope not ah man what a 🤡
@@tymon1928 no not like that at all because we know that ALLAH has attributes and it stops right there, it's very simple to understand.
You all are the ones who either believe you are apes spinning on the globe with no purpose, or has a god who made a woman give birth to himself, praised and worshiped himself, then allowed his creations to murder him, because he himself required blood in order to forgive the sins from the creations that he created.
It doesn't matter what you try to nitpick or twist, our religion makes sense and if evolution or any biblical faith is your religion it doesn't.
May Allah bless you for your efforts and your EXCELLENT WORK as usual.
The Christian guy’s mocking showed his defeat. Allaho Akbar!
true brother. dyer is a nut
even I fell in love with olla after I read quran especially **2.223**. I loved ploughing and planting seeds💦, especially in chi34 fields.
Now I can plough my chi34 wifi whichever way I want, I can plough my adult wifi whichever way I want. even I can skip ploughing my old out of shape wife (like sawdah) and instead plough the new little chi34 wifi. and what more olla the pyeemph will give me yathmithunna dolls so I can continue plouging in eternity. So praise olla who sincerely truly cares about the welfare of mens' pennies - both herenow and in the hereafter
what is your favourite ploughing position brother ?
@@seanou2837 yes brother. olla the batchelor god said in guran 2.223 that **you and I** can plough chi34 and mature fields whichever way we want.
olla himself does not wish to plough - (21.17) as he wants to remain batchelor.
I am giving dawah brother. Recently my friend reverted. Here is his revert story. Hope you like it
I have a friend who is adopted child. Recently I found him a little disturbed. When I coaxed him what the problem was he said that his foster father might have caught a glimpse of his (friend') wifi when she was changing. Apparently the foster father developed feelings for the wifi. I told my friend this was natural and showed him the example of razu lala (sallallhu waalaiyi wasallum), zaid and zainab. All 3 - my friend, friend's wifi and friend's foster father have now reverted. My friend divorced his wifi and she is now happily married to his foster father. the adoption is also cancelled. praise olla who makes the straight path easy
@@pankaja7974 - I smell Modi Hindu
@@seanou2837 yup olla is a batchelor per guran 21.17.
@@pankaja7974 * s*x with your father's brother's wife (Lev. 18:14, Lev. 20:20)
* s*x with your father's wife (stepmother) (Lev. 20:11, Lev. 18:8)
* s*x with your mother (Lev. 18:7)
* s*x with your sister or half-sister (Lev. 18:9, Lev. 20:12)
* s*x with your granddaughter (Lev 18:10)
* s*x with your stepsister (Lev. 18:11)
* s*x with your biological aunt (Lev. 18:12-13)
* s*x with your daughter-in-law (Lev. 18:15, Lev. 20:12)
* s*x with your sister-in-law (Lev. 18:16, Lev. 20:21)
* s*x with both a woman and her daughter or granddaughter (Lev. 18:17, Lev. 20:14)
* marrying your wife's sister (while still married to your wife) (Lev. 18:18)
* s*x with any close relative (Lev. 18:6)
Bro the modern day debates comment section is literally just Christian 🤖 trolling, no intelligent conversation.
The MDD comment section has always been an echo chamber for all the Islam haters. They don’t care if they’re wrong. They’ll still say “Jay won” even though he lost badly.
Keep coping. Reality is Jake is philosophically illiterate and wasn’t equipped for this discussion. He doesn’t have a logic or philosophy background and it showed here.
It’s annoying when Jay pretends to be sophisticated and educated, making fun of Jake, who is more educated and articulate in his words.
Did anyone else notice that?
No actually the opposite,
Jay addressed Jake's points directly,
while Jake would misrepresent Jay's aguements
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
May Allah SWT bless you brother Jake, ur work is much appreciated
No one can defend better than Islam.
Its simple.
Rest they are like roller coasters.
Quran is one of the most foolish texts of all time that can easily debunked just by the fact that it says Jesus didn't die on the cross
😂
Jake is very knowledgeable and logical , what he says, he believes.
Masterclass performance brother Jake 🤝🏻, may Allah make you even more knowledgeable 🤲🏻
for a muthaphysician he did fantastic.
@@pankaja7974bajeet?
@@pankaja7974
The Christian was defeated but crying & pain is from a Hindu?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Your anger about our faith satisfy us 😊
@@user-po6cn3gf5k satisfied ?? 🤣 Looks like you made peace with a 54 yr old climbing on top of a 9 yr old 🤣
@@pankaja7974 And your God descended down to earth to mount a 6 YO 😂😂😂😂😂
It was over when Jay completely doesn’t understand the Fitra
Excited for review
Well smashed him Jake. Baraka allahu fik from Lombok Indonesia!
So Clear u won but the modern day debate is a clear anti Islam audience. You can tell just bc the entire ending questions are all for Jake 😭😭😭
Jay thinks his worldview is the best but is too shy to put it up there and express it, in his opening. All he does is sit back and say Jake doesn't understand the position but there's no position he even posited, a big failure in his presentation.
Wait, why did he mention Ibn Taymiyyah’s concept of Christian theology😂 that has nothing to do with the debate. We could just as easily do the same on a larger scale by proving his “saints” had zero clue about Islām and made zero compelling arguments.
Great job western philosophy is clearly flawed and it's a beautiful thing people are realizing and accepting Islamic metaphysics, psychology, and knowledge.
@AustinJVic it developed throughout western philosophy since its of Greek origin.
Your comment is more sad
🤣
Modern day debates is my favorite standard of debate moderation.
His audiance is quite islamophobic however.
Just look at the comment section of this debate on modern day debate.
There is no chance in hell that trinity makes more sense to anyone than tawhid does.
Yet his comment section will make you believe that trinity is the one that makes sense.
@@Radec913that’s too what I’ve recognized
@Radec913 I took a poll on what faith is more logical and less than 30 were tawhid all the way. Bear in mind anti islamic comments are allowed but muslim comments get deleted sometimes.
Whenever I spoke there I need to use hashtags to censor what I'm saying
@@Radec913most of the commenters are right wing ✝️ 🐖 and toxic atheist ⚛️
@@Im_Sanenough is why i dont watch that channel at all. I only sometimes watch debates if they are posted on muslim channels
Dear Jay, if something is “self-evident” then by definition it doesn’t need “justification”.
Moreover if you insist everything needs justification then we have the problem of infinite regress.
With all due respect, that wasn’t Jay’s point. Jay asked for a way to determine if something is self evident. Jake couldn’t answer and gave a circular argument essentially saying that things are self evident because they are self evident. Jay then correctly compared that to the problem of criterion in philosophy. This was a demonstration of Jake’s lack of understanding of both philosophy and Jays’ overall point which was completely valid.
@@brendanmassie9586In fact, if you study Immanuel Kant critically, then you realize jay's point here has no value.He was blatantly ignoring Jake's arguments and points and at one point debate focused on cosmological arguments and epistemological arguments.Which is off topic .you say in your comment about jay that he asked to jake determine the way self evident but jay asking this question is not really a question at all, it's a diversion trick of a large scale in this kind of theological debate . Actually knowledge of self-evident propositions is possible even if, on the one hand, their elements are abstract and causally inert and, on the other, beliefs constituting knowledge must meet both causal and reliability conditions connected with their truthmakers. If you judge jay's stupid argument from a theological perspective, then there is no need for epistemological philosophy .
@@brendanmassie9586 Respond to the brother up top or conciede.
@@nazmunnesa6331 it was Jake who was ignoring Jay’s point the entirety of the debate. Saying the epistemological argument has no value doesn’t mean it has no value. It’s just an avoidance tactic. It’s actually a foundational point to his theological position that has to be answered in order for it to be true. He didn’t provide a way to determine how self evident truths are other than circular reasoning.
As for Jay, what points was he ignoring?
@@brendanmassie9586 the question of " what's the criteria ti determine what are the self evident truths " is in it of itself a dumb question as the person who is asking that question itself is using one of these self evident truths and presupposing it as true in order to ask the question to begin with which is the law of non contradiction, these basic self evident truths are innately known by humans and by default are used for any type of exchange of any coherent information between humans, the criteria is quite literally the innate and default use of these self evident truths in our day to day life, without them nothing can be coherent or understood.
Jay's solution to LPT: *ad-hoc decide to count god in a different way*
Jay's solution to each person of god having different powers: *ad-hoc decide to redefine power in a different way*
He's essentially saying certain laws of logic are necessarily invalid in order to fit his world view.
You absolutely whooped him
Lol😂
@@StJames37 😂1+1+1=3
@@amina-sp7bv 🤡Muslims🐪🥒🤣.
1 x 1 x 1 = 1 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@amina-sp7bv
@@amina-sp7bv 1x1x1=...., better than 2 right hands and golden foot lol
Isn’t Dyer getting a bit ad hominem when he inflects into a sort of pseudo homeboy down in the hood voice? I think the moderator needs to pull him up on that stuff. Dyer is a decent dude, but he might be getting too gangster since his discussion with Sammy. He’s not made yet, but he’s already talking like he’s a skipper.
Jay when he realized he cannot use "circular Argument" : 😮
Crazy to see in the channel of modern day debate all the comments of the cricisboys thinking jay won something here
@@d.t.7739He couldn’t even address the topic and went on to make personal remarks at Jake. How exactly is that winning? I saw the entire debate and not once did Jay defend the trinity which was literally the topic of the debate. Instead he went on to talk about epistemology which is a completely different topic.
Alhamdulilah.. I wakeup about to pray suddenly realised Jake is here defending Islam. May Allah bless this brother. These reverts invest i inestimable amount of Time spreading the Message than those born into Muslim families, (specifically myself) their commitment embarrassed me and i envy people like Jake Sub'han-Allah.
This is one of the weakest debate performance I've seen from Jay
Jake cooked this guy, MashaAllah. May Allah increase Jake in knowledge and protect him n those he loves. Ameen.
Haha Jay made this dude look like an atheist
W Jake اللهم بارك
So proud of Jake. May ALLAH reward you. Ameen ya RABB
Even tho brother jake and Daniel obliterated Jay one thing we can appreciate about him is he doesn’t go down to cheap score tactics like liberal Christian preachers. May Allah guide him to Islam.
Jay duet is a psuedo intellectual. He’s studied secular philosophy enough to the point that whenever he is put into a hole in a debate he claims that the person he’s talking with is “contradicting themselves” or “a logical fallacy”. He uses philosophical standard to substantiate his belief, yet if he was so fundamentally logical, he’d realize that 3 in 1 is a logical fallacy for a creator, who created everything, and was not created.
Jay' s questions have nothing to do with Tauhid or Trinity
Jake is always a savage
Jay spent his rebuttals desperately trying to "rebuff" his opening INSTEAD of rebutting 🤦♂️
😂😂😂
Good debate bro Jake, may Allah Azzawajal bless you, ameen
im not back peddling im "rebuffing"
The MDD chat is full of people for whom the entire debate went way over their heads.
The MDD chat is always for non muslim side even we use rationale answer as clear as possible just look comment on his yt short like Daniel vs dilahunty when dilahunty always think that marriage = sex but even daniel just explain marriage on islam need long procedures, but in comment say haha muslim is ped0 like bro every single your great2 grandfather all do the same cause life expectancy is really short not like today
@@bambangedir1815Yeah I noticed that too. They always resort to insults and name calling because they can’t explain properly why they think Islam is wrong.
Great job brother Jake we are so proud of you and thankful that you are on our side. May Allah protect you and your family at all times
Alhamdulilah for Islam.
The debate starts at the start of the video but those who are watching in it’s entirety know that the REAL debate starts at 1:04:56 when brother Jake SMOKES this guy…
It's worrying you don't realise Jake had to edit this
@@rossk3482 don’t worry about me bro…but worry about the fact that you don’t realize our brother just cut the very intro and outro from the host that had no bearing on the debate.
It is astonishing to me how islamophobic the audiance of modern day debate is.
Just look at the comment section of this debate on modern day debate.
There is no chance in hell that trinity makes more sense to anyone than tawhid does.
Yet his comment section will make you believe that trinity is the one that makes sense.
I would understand it if these people LIKE liberalism more than islam because islam is stricter.
But these haters are literally saying christianity makes more sense than islam.
THere is no chance, absolutely zero chance that ANY person finds the trinity more sensible than the tawhid.
The fact that you said there is 0 chance shows your ignorance
@@ConradThePalamite Contradictary belief has 0% chance of being true.
Heck many of your own scholars know it doesnt make sense. But they say "you just got to belief".
or "its a mystery"
@@Radec913 you think a transcendental being who created logic is restricted by it ?
Yes. They were just cheerleading without substances. Show how ignorant their understanding of the trinity
@@xravenx24fe With your attitude, you are only affirming that you people truly are the worst of creatures. Keep crying! This is all you can do after your boy Dyer got humiliated so badly.
May the Almighty guard you, brother Jake
The fact someone want to defend trinity and confront tawheed is crazy. Honestly, its worst than crazy. Tawheed is about monotheism which is what they believe in but they say its three person that make up that monotheism. Like huh?
That’s a really good point. They claim that there is one god then argue against the concept of monotheism
3 in 1 makes the most sense. It just does. idk how to explain it. It just does. and god is human, who doesn't know the last hour. and didn't also know the fig tree. also God came out of a womans private parts.
........lol...........
@@kemest6666 “the father shares this essence” with the other two. So it’s not monotheism then, that’s the point. Hinduism also believes in one god that manifests in many forms or as you say “persons”. Pretty much every polytheistic religion makes up some type of justification to worship something other than god
@@kemest6666that sounds like a hersesy bro.
God is 3 persons, The Father (full God),The Son (full God), The Holy Spirit (full God)
We see in the incident of the baptism of Jesus in Mathew 3:16-17
That the Son (full God) was on earth in water, The Father was in Heaven (full God), and the Holy Spirit was taking the shape of a Dove (full God)
As we can see they are clearly separate.
So how many Gods do we have?
@@kemest6666 >"Hindus don't believe that the supreme God is the lower deities but these deities are parts of the ultimate God or they emanate from the one God. These deities are deities in their own rights."
Then you haven't studied Hinduism properly. There are various schools of thoughts among Hindus and this is one of them. What you have said is folk Hinduism.
There are Hindu schools where they believe that everything is One.
Jazak Allah khair brother Jake , My Allah raise your status .
Good work!
Jay doesnt understand what fitra is ..i am surprised
I love how Jay keeps saying muslims don't understand the trinity, Yes we don't understand it because IT'S LITERALLY LOGICALLY NONSENSICAL. Jake showed multiple times why that is, but the best Jay can say is "Uh you guys don't understand the complexity of a god killing himself, sacrificing to himself, for himself." like seriously christianity is a joke christian apologists should run the circus. 🤣
G💡D, "did not" come down & get "tempted",from a creature "he made", with everything he ALREADY OWNS? God doesn't grow in favor, "with Himself",
In Isaiah 53🆘 God Divides spoils for JesusSon-Of-Man?
The pre-flood Hindu Trinity is biblically unexplainable.
Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His Name, and what is his Son’s name?
Surely you know!
John 5:43
I have come in my 👉Father's name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him.
John 10:25
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my
👉Father's name bear witness about me,
Yeshua=Yahweh Saves.
Jesus came in his "father's name" .
Jesus quotes 2 Esdras dozens of times.
2 Esdras 2:42-48
42. I, Ezra, saw on Mount Zion a great multitude, which I could not number, and they all were praising the Lord with songs.
43. In their midst was a 🤴Young Man of great stature, taller than any of the others, and on the head of each of them he placed a crown, but he was more exalted than they. And I was held spellbound.
44. Then I asked an angel, “Who are these, my lord?”
45. He answered and said to me, “These are they who have put off mortal clothing and have put on the immortal, and they have
👉 confessed the name of God; now they are being crowned, and receive palms.” 46.Then I said to the angel, “Who is that young man who places crowns on them and puts palms in their hands?” 47.
He answered and said to me,
🤴 “He is the Son of God, whom they confessed in the world.” So I began to praise those who had stood valiantly for the name of the Lord. 48. Then the angel said to me, “Go, tell my people how great and many are the wonders of the Lord God which you have seen.”
(🤴John 17:4-6 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. “I have manifested👉Your Name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.)
Yeshua was called Son-of-Man,
88 times in the New Testament,
AND favorite self-designated title.
Again Enoch & Esdras were in circulation, hundreds of years, BEFORE Jesus/Son-of-Man, stepped on the Israel scene & preserved in Dead Sea Scroll's
⭐Enoch 46: 1-6
-1.And there I saw One who had a head of days, 👨🦳And His head was white like wool, And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,🤴 And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.
-2.And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that
-3.🤴🏼 Son-of•Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the
👨🦳Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:
This is the son of Man who hath righteousness, With whom dwelleth righteousness, And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden.
-4. And this 💡Son of Man whom thou hast seen shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats, and the strong from their thrones and shall loosen the reins of the strong, and break the teeth of the sinners.
-5.And he shall put down the kings from their thrones and kingdoms because they do not extol and praise Him, nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them.
-6.And he shall put down the countenance of the strong, and shall fill them with shame.
[🎯Daniel 7:13-14.
“I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a 💡Son-of-Man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to 👉Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."🌠]
[Jesus/Son-of-Man/Lamb is presented to:
Ancient-Old/God-of-Spirits, after leaving his Apostles on a cloud in Galilee.]
⭐-Enoch 48: 2-6
-2. And at that hour that Son-of-Man was named in the presence of the "Lord-of-Spirits", and his name before the Head of Days.
-3.Yea, before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of the heaven were made, his name was named before the Lord of Spirits. [JOHN 17:5]
-4.He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall, and he shall be the
💡"light of the Gentiles, and the hope of those who are troubled of heart.
-5.All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him, and will praise and bless and celebrate with song, The Lord-of-Spirits.
-6 And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him, before the creation of the world and for evermore.
[Isaiah 49💡I will also make You a light of the nations, So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the 💡light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.]
⭐Enoch 62: 1-3
-1.And thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, and said: Open your eyes and lift up your horns if Ye are able to recognize the 💡Elect One.
-2.And the Lord of Spirits seated Him on the Throne of His glory, and the spirit of righteousness was poured out upon him, and the word of his mouth slays all the sinners, and all the unrighteous are destroyed from before his face.
-3.And there shall stand up in that day all the kings and the mighty, and the exalted and those who hold the earth, and they shall see and recognize How he sits on the throne of his glory, and righteousness is judged before him, and no lying word is spoken before him.
-4.Then shall pain come upon them as on a woman in travail, [and she has pain in bringing forth] when her child enters the mouth of the womb, and she has pain in bringing forth.
-5.And one portion of them shall look on the other, and they shall be terrified, and they shall be downcast of countenance, and pain shall seize them, when they see 💡"that Son-of-Man" Sitting on the throne of his glory.
-6.And the kings and the mighty and all who possess the earth shall bless and glorify and extol him who rules over all, who was hidden.
-7.For from the beginning 'the Son-of-Man was hidden", and the Most High preserved him in the presence of His might, and revealed him to the elect.
[Isaiah 49:2.He has made My mouth like a sharp sword, In the 👉"Shadow of His hand", He has concealed Me;
And He has also made Me a sharpened arrow,
He has hidden Me in His quiver.]
-8.And the congregation of the elect and holy shall be sown, and all the elect shall stand before him on that day.
-9.And all the kings and the mighty and the exalted and those who rule the earth shall fall down before him on their faces, and worship and set their hope upon that Son of Man, and petition him and supplicate for mercy at his hands.
Rev 3:21 KJV
To him that overcomith , will I grant to sit with me on
🔥"My Throne"; even as I also overcame,
and am set down with
👉"My Father" on his throne.
Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the 👉"Son Of Man🤴 will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
AGAIN:
Acts 7:55 But Stephen,
full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the "Glory of God, and
🤴"Jesus standing"
at the right hand of
👉God.👨🦳
56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and
🔥"The Son of Man, "Standing"
at the right hand 👉of God.”
We we're grafted into a Messianic & Monotheistic ancient religion, with a rational functioning hierarchy and meant to assimilate, so Trinitys False and Jesus is the son of God PERIOD 🧐
Enoch and Ezra's were unfortunatey
❌"Cancelled by the Rabbis/CHURCH.
@@Bible4kso you quote the book of enoch to justify your faith. How peculiar.
Nonethless your interpretation of isaiah 53 is completely wrong.
Read the first couple of verses it's israel
@@tymon1928 then you have no problem accepting psalm 20 and psalm 91 when it says the messiah will be saved
@@Im_Sanenough
Clement mentioned in Philippians 4:3
Phlip 4:3 Indeed, true companion, I ask you also, help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, alongside ✔️Clement as well as the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Clement, was "Apostle Peter's Scribe", and ran 1st church Rome from
60-90AD till Martyred.
Here's Clement:
1 Clement 59:4.
"Let all the Gentiles know that
👉Thou art the God alone, and
🤴🏻Jesus Christ is Thy Son.
Clement echos Jesus perfectly as follows:
John 17:3
"Now this is eternal life, that they may know
You, the 👨🏻🦳only true God,
🤴🏻and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent."
Irenaeus~ Against Heresies 3.9.1 (180-200AD)
The Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the 👨🏻🦳only God and Lord, who 👉alone is God and ruler of all…
Irenaeus~Against Heresies 3.6.4(180-200AD)
Wherefore I do also call upon
thee,👉 Lord God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob and Israel, who art the
🤴🏻Father of our lord Jesus Christ,
👨🏻🦳the God who, through the abundance of
Thy mercy, hast had a favour towards us,
that we should know Thee,
Who hast made heaven and earth,
who rulest over all, who art the
👉"only and the true God"👈 above whom
there is none other God; Grant, by our
🤴🏻Lord Jesus Christ,
the governing power of the Holy Spirit;
give to every reader of this book to know
Thee, that 👨🏻🦳Thou art God alone,
to be strengthened in Thee,
And to "avoid every heretical, and godless,
and impious doctrine".
Justin martyr First Apology 61
[T]here is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of 👉God the Father and Lord of the universe; he who leads to the laver the person that is to be washed calling him by this name alone, For no one can utter the name
of the👨🏻🦳 ineffable God…
And in the name of 🤴🏻Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed. [10]
Martyrdom of Ignatius 2 (140A.D.)
Thou art in error when thou callest the daemons of the nations gods. For there is but 👨🏻🦳One God, who made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that are in them; and 🤴🏻One Jesus Christ,
🫴the only-begotten Son of God,
whose kingdom may I enjoy.
210AD TERTULLIAN A HERMOGENES.
CHAP. IIIAN ARGUMENT OF HERMOGENES
(🫨210A.D. time when 👉Jesus didn't exist?)
Because God is in like manner a Father, and He is also a Judge; but He has not always been Father and Judge, merely on the ground of His having always been God.
For He could not have been the Father previous to the Son, nor a Judge previous to sin.
There was, however, a time when 👉neither
sin existed with Him,👉nor the Son;🤴
the former of which was to constitute the Lord a Judge, and the 🫴latter a Father.👈
In this way He was not Lord previous to those things of which He was to be the Lord.
But He was only to become Lord at some future time: just as He became
👉the "Father by the Son"👈, and a "Judge by sin", so also did He become Lord by means of those things which He had made, in order that they might serve Him. Do I seem to you to be weaving arguments Hermogenes?
210AD TERTULLIAN A HERMOGENES.
CHAP. III AN ARGUMENT OF HERMOGENES
Revelation 3:12
The one who conquers,
I will make him a pillar in the temple of
👉"My God". Never shall he go out of it,
and I will write on him the name of
👉"My God", and the name of the city of
👉 "My God", the new Jerusalem,
which comes down from
👉 "My God" out of heaven, and
🤴🏻My New Name".
(2 Separate individuals)
Rev 3:21 KJV
To him that overcomith ,
will I grant to sit with me on
🤴🏻"My Throne"; even as I also overcame,
and ad set down with
👨🏻🦳"my father" on his throne.
(✌️2 SEPARATE THONES!!)
Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the 👸"Son Of Man👈 will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Jesus Son-Of-Man, Standing NEXT to God
Acts 7:5 Stephen looked up to heaven & saw the "Glory of God,
and 🤴🏻"Jesus standing"
at the right hand of
👨🏻🦳God.
56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and
🤴🏻"The Son of Man,
Standing at the right hand 👨🏻🦳of God.”
Here's where we find Jesus in the O.T.
Daniel 7:9-14
“As I looked, “thrones were set in place,
and the👨🏻🦳 "Ancient of Days" took his seat
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10. A river of fire was flowing, coming
out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a
🤴"Son of Man",coming with the clouds of heaven. 🫴He approached the
👨🏻🦳 "Ancient of Days" and was led into his presence.
14 🤴🏻He was given Authority, glory and sovereign power; All Nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an Everlasting Dominion that will not pass away, and His Kingdom is one that will never be destroyed
Even at the END of the 2nd Century, The ONLY GOD? Was ALWAYS the Father.
ALL 9NT Authors christology of Jesus, was & is uncontested that Jesus has a God.
I've also provided the most popular theologians of the first and second century and they also confirmed that the one God was always the father.
Something I never learned on a church pew was?? the Memoir "nicknamed"
The Gospel of John?
Is "ANONYMOUS MEMOIR"!!
(See chapter 20+21, an unnamed collection of scribes simply identified as "we"🙄)
However Christians reframe the whole biblical narrative watch:
-G💡D, "did not" come down AND get "tempted",
from a creature "he made",
with everything he ALREADY OWNS?
-God doesn't grow in favor, "with God".
-God doesn't "anoint" God.
-Watch ISAIAH 53 FALL FLAT with the TRINITY...
According to Isaiah chapter 53,
YaH Rewards Yeshua, The Suffering-Son-of-Man Servant, With Spoils, wait what??
Then in TRINITARIAN terms?
💯God rewards GOD, with spoils??
🫷Trinity land...
Luke brags that Jesus will sit on his great grandfather King Davids throne?
This repackaged Constantine narrative,
Makes 🫱King David ,The Great Grandfather
of God Almighty?!?
Was God the actual father of Jesus?
Because "IF" the Holy Spirit is actually, "another person" of the trinity, and that's a different"who"?
😬 Wheres Maury we might need a paternity test...
Trinitarian theologians didn't think ANY of this through 😏
@@Bible4kthe greatest cherry picked, copy paste, riddled with emojis, and without explanation, explanation the world has ever seen
brothers and sisters please pray for me im asking allah to accept your prayers for me my wife left me for no real reason a couple of months ago and my faith got stronger and i got closer to allah but i really miss her and i really love her please pray for us please
Praying for you brother, stay strong. This is a test from Allah and you will be rewarded inshallah
May Allah being you two back together or give you even better
May ALLAH make it easy on your heart. Pray the two raka’a of Istakhara then leave it to ALLAH
@@quranchannel4622 I did and i pray witr and night prayer and all fards and when i can i pray sunnah its been almost 1 year
A comprehensive destruction, Allahu Akbar. He had no reply other than to say Jake doesn't understand how embarrassing the Christian sophistry is ridiculous...
السلام عليك أخي جيك .. بارك الله في مجهوداتك .. مع تحيات أخيك من مصر
Jay has a lot of bot accounts always posting positive comments on his videos.
Jay dyer got destroyed by Daniel now jake he has both his coffin closed and nailed it's dead and dusted for him
Jay makes alot of claims, but never backs anything up. It s quite ironic really. I find his introduction to be sad. I mean just consider this leap in logic:
God laughs eternally, we dont know what that means, therefore tawheed is a joke and the trinity wins.
Does he really think rational people will buy that type of reasoning??
May allaha grant you jannah jake, you are really great at what you do, I am from Ethiopia and I love you
Fantastic Jake, got him and his entire thought system on the backfoot the entire discussion!
Jay and many christian apologists always like to redefine terms and like to ask questions on random facts, many of which they themselves already believe but they like to twist and redefine in order to make the illogical seem logical 😂😂😂😂
I’ve had many conversations with Christian’s, pseudo-intellectuals like Jay usually redefines words, or use irrelevant philosophical terms to justify their claims. Uneducated Christian’s just say “I believe solely on faith, I don’t have to understand”. Both of them are misguided and cannot be reasoned with. There are so many debates of Christian’s sounding unintelligent and dumbfounded, talking with them at this point is just useless, they are preparing for their “God”-King Dajjal.
Don't read the comment. Go to the back and forth discussion, and you 'll see Dyer is constantly on the back foot.
Jay -“3 lil g gods”😭😭 this was just comical
I commented on this in the 'Modern Day Debate' channel, but since I'm a fan, I'll say the same thing here. I mean, I think Jay made a significant error by not addressing the question about the consistency of the counting method. It's something I've been pondering for a while: how can we count persons/energies by their identities but use a different method for gods? If we employ 'counting by division' and remain consistent, meaning if persons are inseparable, would there be only one person? Worse yet, if the person, essence, and energies are inseparable, could this somehow lead to a collapse like people who affirm in absolute divine simplicity (ADS)?
I am sorry that you have to deal with the punishment of commenting on the MDD mostly incel chat.
@@adamyahya9567 okay dyerite 🐒
jays solution is still pretty dumb because division is just that division, which is to say separation
so in what whey are they separating, if they separate into different mind/ entities its polytheism
if they separate by FURsona than its a god going threw a mental disorder of, identifying as he/they/them , the LGBT of gods
@@kemest6666 Attributes aren't persons and beings, though. I can have a million different attributes but am still a single person.
@@kemest6666
1: What are you trying to count? Persons or attributes?
If it's three distinct persons, it'll always be three different gods.
2: They don't share one mind: the son doesn't know the hour. They don't share one power: the son had to eat, sleep, drink, etc.
May Allah SWT always guide us, strengthen our faith in Him and make all things easy for us
Jay got cooked in the interrogation
@@jackmatt1022Answers to what exactly? He couldn’t even address the topic of the debate. Quit embarrassing yourself.
@@jackmatt1022 I did. He still didn’t address the topic. Seems like you didn’t pay attention to the debate.
@@jackmatt1022 Only one with answers to questions which have nothing to do with the topic of the debate.
@@jackmatt1022 LOL is that all you got? Where exactly did Jay address the trinity? How did he defend it? All he did was shift to epistemology which wasn’t even the topic.
@@jackmatt1022 Are you still struggling to accept the fact that Jay couldn’t address the main topic?
Man
I got shocked from mdd comments
Then I watched the debate
It's one sided debate with someone who thinks he's smart and he doesn't even know what fitra is.
If you see athiests and christians together using bots and commenting like they won in the comments, you know they got crushed so bad
Just don't watch debates there. They're one against us at the end of day.
Agreed. This is why I stopped watching debates on the MDD channel. That place is an echo chamber for all the Islam haters who couldn’t care any less about the truth.
@@xravenx24fe That’s all you people respond with when your apologists lose. Keep coping.
@@xravenx24fe have you wonder why we couldn't? Because trinity makes us lose our mind 🥴
Bruh, david wood and apostate do videos together. @@AlexLazaros
Alhamdulillah , Jake My Brother , I learn so much from you !! You are indeed one of the Lion's of Islam. Truly appreciate your work and efforts.
JazakAllah
Amazing This Jay is like “I can’t prove my argument, so I will prove your position is absurd”. I don't recall that positive claims work this way, but no problem. He could try. And what do we see? He doesn't even know what he has put himself in or what exact position he is criticizing, “eternal quran.” Ah, please 🤣
W Trinity Destroyer
Islam is true good for me and you!! ❤❤❤
strong debate
This keyboard crusader say this ignorance jay win debate 🤣🤣
Dear jay came to talk about Islamic theology but he don’t know what is fitra🤣🤣
Non of those tritheist clowns would be even able to tell a single good argument that jay made for the trinity
When Jay says that Ibn Taimiyya says allegedly that we don't know the meaning of Divine attributes that's inaccurate because that would be Tafwid Al Ma'na and that's what Asharis do, not Atharis. Thats not Ibn Taimiyya's position.
AmIzing debate this rubbish Jay debates the trinity and not even once mentions the new testiment which is nothing but hogwash
Muslim = 1 GOD (ALLAH), Christian = 3 GODS TRINITY, Hindu = 100 GODS, Atheist = NO GOD, Agnostic = Which GOD no idea, but there is a GOD, etc.....
Room temperature iq statement
@@benk769IQlessism is only present when someone is a trinitarian.
You can't debate Muslims on Allah and not know what Tafwid is. Poor research.
"The difference between Christians and Hindus are that Hindus are honest about having Multiple Gods and can count how many Gods they have".
-Rabbi Schlomo Cockenstein
I love the clear difference of the comments between this video on this channel and jay's/other channels. Us muslims gives cheers to jake and appreciate him for defending islam, we mostly focus on our side. Yet everywhere i see a christian comment, most of them only throw out insults to our side as if our mere presence is a threat lol, it shows the standard emotional reaction between both sides. Makes me proud.
May Allah bless from Somalia
جزاك الله خيرا وبارك فيك جايك ونفع الله بك
I believe the reason more question to Jake is that Muslims do not want to give the money to this debate channel. I really do not like them because of how they treat Daniel.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 wallahi this is so crazy. These people love to be humiliated. May Allah guide them.
بارك الله فيك
Shukran akhe
Quran mentions Allah creating “with His hands” it makes it clear in Surah Iklas that “lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad" He is not like unto, not comparable to anyone or anything in the universe He created.
Allah is not a part of His creation, and is not like His creation, so the fact of His having hands cannot be imagined or compared with human hands, except in the sense that He acts with them.
As Allah tells us explicitly, there are verses in the Quran which are clear and easily understood, and others which are “mutashabiha” likened to something familiar, but, as aspects of the divinity, are beyond human understanding. And He warns us not to seek to unravel these mysteries of the Divinity. It leads only to confusion, not to knowledge.
Allah in all His being and aspects, is beyond the material world, the world of humanity which He created. He can tell us something about Himself, using human language, but the human language cannot fully contain that Divine quality or attribute. Nor can the human mind. Like the word “infinite”. We cannot fully grasp infinity. We get something like “very big, bigger, biggest, bigger than biggest” but infinite is beyond these words, beyond our 4 dimensional universe and our finite minds.
As so we accept them as telling us something that Allah wants us to know about Himself, but we recognize our human limitations.
He is the One, the Only, the Creator, the Merciful, the Giver of all good, the Forgiving, the Living, the all Knowing, the Beginning and the End.
All good comes from Him. All evil comes from ourselves, from our free choices. Choose Him, ask Him to guide you, be grateful to Him.
walam*. "walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad".
MashaAllah, Jake is one of the best out there!
May Allah reward you this world and hereafter brother.
Jake the Muslim is the Boss! Jake won this debate easily 😂 Jay the loser looked sooo nervous he kept clearing his throat 😂
Salaam, i dont think one should even entertain people like Jay, technical play on words yet fully understanding what the bases of the question is, this is a typical strategic play to avoid simple and rational questions. Jay and many Christians similar to him will make up and bend the interpretation of simple words, they make up questions and arguments that do not exist. Simply put the Trinity cannot be explained without contradicting one self, until they can explain it it simply does not exist outside their mind which they fool themselves to make true.
Very well said, they all bend and twist for dear life
May Allah reward you my brother and protect you and your family
amin.
not finished to watch yet but you did a good job !
Debate Islam theology without any clue about the fitrah. Nothing to ad more
Good afternoon everyone
The goon actually "showed up" lol. I hope you took it easy on him.
Has Jay not heard of Ahmed Deedat? God bless is his soul and grant him a place in paradise, he memorised every version of the Bible to a point where Christians couldn’t debate with him because he knew the Bible better than all of them and yet he’s a Muslim. GOD BLESS IS HIM AMEEN
May Allah reward you for your efforts brother. it's amazing how christians attaks islam exactly the same way soufis and shias do
Jake showing us exactly what “Metaphysician” means, MashaAllah
Jay seems afraid to defend his beliefs. Avoids answering questions, interrupts, doesn't seem to have basic topics, lacks arguments, no objective criteria on counting or feedback on justifications, made wrong statements, etc etc.
Subhanallah... Great Job let Allah be with you
Well done nice job
aImaginary dialogue between a Muslim and a Christian
Muslim : Who is God?
Christian : Jesus
Muslim : Is Jesus the son of Mary.
Christian : Yes
Muslim : Who created Mary?
Christian : God.
Muslim : Who is God?
Christian: Jesus
Muslim : Jesus is a servant of God.
Christian : Yes
Muslim : Jesus died on the cross?
Christian : Yes
Muslim : Who resurrected him?
Christian : God.
Muslim : Is Jesus a messenger.
Christian : Yes
Muslim : Who sent him?
Christian : God.
Muslim : Who is God?
Christian : Jesus.
Muslim: Did Jesus worship while on earth.
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Whom did he worship?
Christian: God.
Muslim : Who is God?
Christian : Jesus.
Muslim : Did God have a beginning?
Christian : No
Muslim: Then who was born on 25/DEC?
Christian : Jesus.
Muslim : Is Jesus God.
Christian : Yes
Muslim : Where's God?
Christian : In Heaven.
Muslim : How many Gods are there in heaven?
Christian : Only one God.
Muslim : Where's Jesus?
Christian : He is seated on the right hand of his father.
Muslim : Then how many are they in heaven?
Christian : Only one God.
Muslim : Then how many seats?
Christian : One
Muslim : Where's Jesus?
Christian: Seated next to God.
Muslim : How are they seated on one chair?
Christian : It's only understood by those with the Ghost. You need Ghost my friend.
Allah clearly tells us in Qu'ran :-
"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth.The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary,
was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him.
So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say,"Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son.
To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." - Surah An-Nisa [4:171]
Bible says :-
“... God is not the author of confusion ...” (Corinthians 14:33 )."God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:
hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?." (Numbers (23:19) King James Version (KJV)
According to the plan prepared by god, god brought down god. god remained for nine months in the womb of a creature created by god.
god made her pregnant to give birth to god, a baby god. After the birth of baby-god, we circumcised baby-god.
And when baby-god became great god, god's creatures wanted to kill god, but god prayed to god to save god but god is going to abandon god
despite god pleading insistently to god but god left god alone to be slaughtered by god's creatures under god's gaze and all to save the creatures from god.
Contradictions in the Bible
Nobody knows how many, please check it out which is false book.
1.Who incited to David to reckon the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24:1)
Satan did ( 1 chronicles 21:1)
2.The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men in one time?
800 (2 Samuel 23:8)
300(1 Chronicles 11:11)
3.When David defeated the King of Zobah, How many horses men did he capture?
1700(2 Samuel 8:4)
7000(1 Chronicles 18:4)
4.When did David bring the ark of covenant to Jerusalem? before defeating the Philistines or after?
Before(1 Chronicles ch 13and 14)
After(2 Samuel ch 5and 6)
5.In that reckon how many fighting people were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand(2 Samuel 24:1)
1.1 million (1 Chronicles 21:5)
6.How many fighting men were found in Judah?
500000(2 Samuel 24:9)
470000(1 Chronicles 21:5)
7.God sent his Prophet to threaten to David how many years of famine?
7 years(2 Samuel 24:13)
3 years(1 Chronicles 21:12)
8.How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign over Jerusalem?
22 years(2 Kings 8:26)
42 years(2 Chronicles 22:2)
9.How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
18 years(2 Kings 24:8)
8 year(2 Chronicles 36:9)
10.How long did Jehoiachin reign over Jerusalem?
Three months(2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days
(2 Chronicles 36:9)
11.How many pairs of clean animals did God tell to Noah to take into the ark?
2 (Genesis 6:19-20)
7 (Genesis 7:2)
12.How many stalls for horses did Solomon have ?
40000 (1 Kings 4:26)
4000 (2 Chronicles 9:25)
13.In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha king of Israel die?
Twenty six year(1 Kings 15:33-16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-six year(2 Chronicles 16:1)
14.How many overseers did Solomon appointed for the work of building temple?
Three thousand six hundred(2 : Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred(1 Kings 5:16)
15.Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
2000 (1 Kings 7:26)
Over 3000( 2 Chronicles 4:5)
16.Of the Israelites who were freed from Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrathmoab ?
Two thousand eight hundred and twelve(Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen(Nehemiah 7:11)
17.How many were children of Zattu?
Nine hundred and forty- five(Ezra 2:8)
Eight hundred and forty -five(Nehemiah 7:13)
18.How many were children of Azgad?
One thousand two hundred and twenty-two(Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two(Nehemiah 7:17)
19.How many were the children of Adin?
Four hundred and fifty-four(Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five(Nehemiah 7:20)
20.How many were the children of Hashum?
Two hundred and twenty-three(Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight(Nehemiah 7:22)
21.How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
Two hundred and twenty-three(Ezra 2:28)
One hundred and twenty-three(7:32)
22.Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of whole assembly was 42360. Yet the number do not add up to anything close,the total Obtained from each
book is as follows:29818(Ezra)
31089(Nehemiah)
23.How many singers accompanied the assembly?
Two hundred(Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five
(Nehemiah 7:67)
24.What was the name of king Abijah's mother?
Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah(2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, Daughter of Absalom(2 Chronicles 11:20)
But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar( 2 Samuel 14:27)
25.Did Joshua and Israelites capture Jerusalem?
Yes, (Joshua 10:23-49)
No, (Joshua 15:63)
26.Who was the father of Joseph, Husband of Mary?
Jacob(Matthew 1:16)
Heli (Luke 3:23)
27.Jesus Descended from which son of David?
Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke 3:31)}..
Jake is very knowledgeable in both religions, Allahuma barek