Debate: Do We Need the Sunnah? Edip Yuksel vs. Jake Brancatella
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One of the leading Qur'an only scholars Edip Yuksel and Muslim apologist Jake Brancatella debate Qur'an and Sunnah vs. Qur'an alone.
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"Whoever obeys the Messenger has truly obeyed Allah. But whoever turns away, then ˹know that˺ We have not sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a keeper over them." QURAN 4:80
“But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly.” QURAN 4:65
“And whoever defies the Messenger after guidance has become clear to them and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will let them pursue what they have chosen, then burn them in Hell-what an evil end!” QURAN 4:115
Jazak Allahu khair
Why Allah saya the messenger (rasul) instead of Prophet (nabi)?
@@islamuniversaltv6131 Muhammad SAW is both a nabi and a rasul. A Prophet comes to guide people back to the truth by affirming the message sent before by God. But a Messenger only comes to a Nation as a warning after it has been corrupted - bringing commands from God, not only to remind people back to the truth, but to give them one last chance to turn back before Allah destroys them. E.g., Lut AS warning Sodom, Musa AS warning Pharaoh, and Muhammad SAW warning the Quraysh.
@@ayyylmao101 Sodom? Is it not in the Koran. Obey Allah and obey the Messenger is not obey the Prophet. Whoever broughts the Message is the Messenger
Jake displayed a mountain of patience. Every time Jake spoke, Edip cut him off and each time Edip spoke, Jake remained patient. You could only be this patient when you have solid ground to stand on and let the audience see for themselves the waffling by Edip. Well done Jake!
Asalaamualeykum. I agree with you but to be honest, I wouldn't be able to have patience with that charlatan munafik, edip yuksel. I know more about his history than Bro Jake probably does and so I would reveal it and scold him. I would never give him or his evil tribe the chance to spout their evil
Please go ahead. We need to demonstrate the evil of these sect.
Jake thanku so much for this session. Blessings from pakistan🇵🇰
He sounds like a christian trying to defend his position....too much talk but empty and confused
Great job brother, just as the Qur’an has been received by the ummah through the consensus of the Prophet’s Companions (rta) and through their perpetual recitation, the Sunnah has been received by it through their consensus and through their perpetual practice and stands validated like the Qur’an in every period of time through the consensus of the ummah. Consequently, there is no doubt or debate about it now.
31. Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." 2 31
@Dash Blanc
He is a Prophet of Allāh, as mentioned in the Qur'anic narrative that Prophets are bestowed with Prophetic wisdom. The Qur'an is a Divine Revelation which has verses which Allāh Put in it which were befitting in His Sight; this does not means we should abandon the Sunnah, or the commands of the Prophet for the very Divine Revelation supports the Sunnah to be followed.
To follow what made him the living Qur'an as in following what it teaches, is done by obeying Allāh and His Messenger; the Qur'an and the Sunnah. When Allāh has said to follow the Messenger, it refers not to the contemporaries rather to all mankind and the commandments of the Prophet are not found in the Qur'an except for that which Allāh has Sent forth.
@@muhammadaaus105
What proof from the Quran do you have to support your claim?
@@hassanabdur-rahman1559
*It is He who has sent among the unlettered a Messenger from themselves reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and Al-Hikmah, although they were before in clear error. (62 : 2)*
*And Allah has revealed to you the Book and Al-Hikmah and has taught you that which you did not know. And ever has the favor of Allah upon you been great. (4:113)*
As we can clearly observe from the verses above, Allāh has Stated that a Messenger (Muhammad) teaching us and his contemporaries the Book (Qur'ān) and also Al-Hikmah. Allāh has explicitly Mentioned that he taught two things, including Al-Hikmah.
If we observe in the Qur'ān, there are many verses in which Allāh has Stated that He Bestowed Al-Hikmah upon his Prophets. Which is Prophetic wisdom, which also refers to the Sunnāh.
So in conclusion, it means that the Messenger of Allāh taught the Qur'ān and his Prophetic wisdom (Sunnāh). As from the second mentioned verse above, Allāh Revealed the both. As many statements of the Messenger of Allāh was of the unseen as well which was not present in the Qur'ān, excluded.
A great example is the Hadīth of the construction of the tall buildings in the end times, and to that we bear witness.
@@muhammadaaus105 the messenger of God taught the people those things with Quran. It says that God taught the messenger. He taught Him the Quran. If a person is a messenger. They have a message to deliver. The Quran is the message. The hadiths were not written until 200 years after the prophet died. 4:113 does not support following man made books based on supposed chains of individuals who claimed to heard things from each other that that the Messenger allegedly said. You have no way of verifying that the Messenger actually said anything that was attributed to him.
I challenge you to read the following sahih hadiths written by Bukhari and Muslim.
Bukhari hadith 3849
Bukhari volume 4 book 55 number 616
Bukhari hadith 2655
Bukhari volume 7 book 71 number 660
Bukhari hadith 3320
@@hassanabdur-rahman1559
May Allāh Guide me, you and us to the truth. The verse firstly mentioned in Sūrah Jumm'āh does not states what you have stated, you have not mentioned the Al-Hikmah as Mentioned by Allāh. There are many verses which concludes as Al-Hikmah as Prophethood or as Prophetic wisdom. The Messenger of Allāh has been Sent by Allāh, teaching the Book (Qur'ān) and Al-Hikmah (Prophetic wisdom; Sunnāh).
It is not for the Messenger of Allāh, to simply obtain the verses and invite the disbelievers to Islām and leave the all to themselves and the Book of Allāh. No, but Allāh has Made it clear that he has been to Sent, to convey, teach and lead.
The Ahadīth were not written two hundred years after, rather the science of Mustālah Al-Hadīth (Classification of Hadīth) was further developed by men of knowledge whom came afterwards the Sahāba and Tabi'īn and so.
We have several Ahadīth which are prophecies, according to your ideology they are all false; if we observe them, we can clearly see that they have come true, such as the construction of tall buildings by Arab Bedouins. This has happened.
The river of Euphrates drying up, this too has almost happened, the river of Euphrates being dried is very near.
You can not deny these, for Allāh is the Knower of the unseen, and men forming false accounts written on behalf of Prophet Muhammad can never accomplish this.
No, but the Ahadīth were written by Sahāba, as there were Sahāba whom could write, such as Ali ibn Abi Tālib, Umar ibn Al-Khattāb, Abu Hūrayrāh and as such.
Not only were they written, but memorized, implemented and passed on. The Messenger of Allāh told to his Sahābi, his Sahābi passed on to the other Sahāba. The other Sahāba passed down to each other and to their children, and those whom learnt under the Sahāba (Tabi'īn). Their children and the Tabi'īn passed down to their successors and various men of knowledge came from different regions to learn from them. Developing a science of chain of transmission (that such and such heard from such and such, whom heard from the Messenger of Allāh).
We can observe the first Hadīth in Sahīh Al-Bukhārī. The Hadīth regarding the intention of good deeds, its chain is as follows:
Umar ibn Al-Khattāb, passed unto, A'lqāmah bin Waqās Al-Laithi, to, Muhammad bin Ibrāhīm Al-Taymi, to, Yahyā bin Sā'īd Al-Ansārī, to, Sufyan, to, Abdullāh bin Zubayr Al-Humaidī, to, Muhammad bin Isma'īl Al-Bukhārī.
These were well-known personalities, known to have known each other, known to have taken knowledge from such and such and passed unto. They were not taken at random.
Without the Ahadīth, Islām is incomplete.
When I first saw Jake on a panel I told my wife he was just there for demographics. Cuz he was white and to appeal to a white base, but I was ignorantly wrong. Jake is very intelligent and humble and he's got character and substance. I think his channel will surely expand. I'm only five min into this video, but I'm basing this comment off of his other videos I watched.
Finally putting some respect on my name.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician yeah Jake i'd love to meet u one day. I know it's unlikely but God bless you. I have some information no apologists knows about yet regarding the 5:16 verse in songs of Solomon. It's not the usual "it says muhammadim", I go a lot deeper into Hebrew grammar to prove it is talking about Muhammad s.a.w.a. and break down the song's parable for the full contextual meaning.
@@principlemethods5281 did you publish anything about it? Or any recommendations where this particular question is discussed in literature?
@@mohammadelajrad3856 I will soon make videos describing it inshaAllah. The only source I have is the Torah. No other books. Keep in touch with me via my channel and we can discuss it when we have free time.
@@mohammadelajrad3856 I've been having some issues downloading and editing videos.... Otherwise I would have had more up by now. Still trying to figure it out
great effort and excellent patience Jake, everytime you pushed him with difficult questions, he gives excuses and try to run away, He is not really answering your questions. Your arguments are valid and correct. Looking forward for the next episode!!
Appreciate that brother. You are right!
You two are deaf, dumb and blind and understand nothing, if you disagree then tell me 1, 2 or 3 questions he did not answer.
i didnt see jake making good arguments .. he is picking on a translation wich is never perfect
@@hazembouguerra852you are alone there brother
Came here from br Hamza's quranist stream, I'm so excited for the debate with Edip on Hamza's channel
how can you stay so calm
were you always this stoic or did you develop it?
With the help of Allah
I feel sorry for this gentleman Edip. He seems so confident in his wrongness. He should listening to Jake for giving him logical explanation. Stubbornness is not healthy at all, rather it is illness. People are amazing, they can arrange stupidities and believing it is intelligent like this gentleman is doing.
Miqdam bin Ma'dikarib Al-Kindi narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Soon there will come a time that a man will be reclining on his pillow, and when one of my Ahadith is narrated he will say: 'The Book of Allah is (sufficient) between us and you. Whatever it states is permissible, we will take as permissible, and whatever it states is forbidden, we will take as forbidden.' Verily, whatever the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) has forbidden is like that which Allah has forbidden." [Hassan by Tirmidhi and Saheeh by Albani]
Allahu akbar!
If the guides that the prophet (saw) received was only for him, then way did Allah say in the Quran O Prophet We have sent you as a mercy to the world (surah anbiya ayah 107)
Abu Hanifah NEVER followed Qur'an alone. That's a manifest lie against the great Imam.
Yes Quran, sunnah, ijmah and qiyas are the four sources of Fiqh hanafi. Fiqh hanfi relies more on sunnah muttawatter as it was being practiced by the early muslims. It doesn't rely on Ahadith books that were written after the imam.
@@abuhamza8984 that is shirk. You make 3 more Gods beside Allah's word. Why are you so blind?
Hanafi fiqh is not derived from Abu Hanifa but his students.
@@subilabi Quran is your God?
@@samfromuk796show me
This guy, Edip, interrupted you so much. Really disappointing etiquette 😔
@@Saber23 wow. You make a generalization, and still believe that you are a good person? Just wow
@@Saber23 wow. Dont make any generalization. People are different. No one is the same. I dont know what to say. I really want to cry. Salam 🙏
@@subilabi Why are you so butt hurt? Do you not accept the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)?
@@MohsinKhan-me4mo when a person suggest people not to make generalization, then he is a butthurt? You guys dont want to find the truth. What you want is justification for your forefather's belief. Bukhari's book is not sunnah of the prophet. Bukhari and those people insult muhammad. And you guys just accept it without questioning them. There is only one sunnah, which is Sunnatullah. You guys are committing shirk.
@@subilabi You’re definitely butt hurt!
Jake, I don't know if you realized this in retrospect or even were aware but didn't raise it during the discussion, but when looking at the verse you were discussing with him regarding the Qibla, he was claiming that Mohammed ﷺ made up the old Qibla on his own because it was his prerogative, and there was no guidance given by Allah on the matter. But actually, the verse itself says who gave the old Qibla, and it wasn't Mohammed, it was Allah.
﴾وَمَا *جَعَلْنَا* الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنتَ عَلَيْهَا﴿
"And *We* did not make the qiblah which you used to face"
Emphasis mine. Even his translation that you read aloud reflects this. So Allah gave the original Qibla to the Prophet which he instructed others to follow in their prayer, and it is not found in the Quran. That is revelation from Allah to the Prophet outside the Quran that others followed, exactly what he claims does not exist. That point is incredibly powerful, and in my opinion single handedly negates his entire position.
I think I mentioned that in the discussion. If not, I typically always do and am well aware of the emphasis.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician I must have missed it, and he must have too, because from what I remember he seemed content with the final theory he landed on being that Mohammed ﷺ came up with the old Qibla himself because Allah didn't instruct him, so it was the same as choosing what color shirt to wear.
Right and I explained how this was a false analogy.
While the primary meaning of "envoy" or "messenger" is indeed to deliver a message or communicate information from one party to another, in certain contexts, there can be additional connotations or privileges associated with the term.
In historical and diplomatic contexts, an envoy or messenger may carry certain authority or representational duties beyond simply delivering a message. They may have the authority to negotiate on behalf of their sender, represent their interests, or even make decisions within a certain scope. In some cases, they may be granted diplomatic immunity or special privileges to ensure their safety and effectiveness in carrying out their duties.
Similarly, in religious contexts, such as Islam, a Rasool (messenger) is not only tasked with delivering a message but is also seen as a chosen individual with a divine mission. Prophets and messengers in religious traditions often carry significant spiritual or moral authority and may be regarded as intermediaries between the divine and humanity. They may have a role in guiding, teaching, and leading their followers in addition to conveying the message they have been entrusted with.
So, while the core meaning of "envoy" or "messenger" is about delivering a message, in various contexts, there may indeed be certain extra privileges, responsibilities, or authority associated with individuals designated for this role.
Jazaka Allahu khairan. The reason for why the change of the qibla from Jerusalem to Mecca was such a big test for the companions of the Prophet is that it was the first matter to be abrogated from Islam. The companions of the Prophet were not then accustomed to the concept of abrogation, and this is why some people apostated, because they believed that a perfect God would not abrogate anything of the revealed Law, in a way similar to how Jews reject the concept of abrogation. If the companions of the Prophet thought that their prayer towards Jerusalem was not a matter of revelation but merely the Prophet's choice, they would not have found the verses commanding them to direct their faces to Mecca problematic.
Either way both options are available to a Sunni in terms of concept, but neither are available to a sunnah rejector. There are scholars in our tradition that accept that the prophet alayhi salaam received revelation besides the Qur'an, but also believe he had the authority as a law maker without direct revelation.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician Yes akhi. I too hold that position. I understand that Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم was a law giver. These specific rulings from the Prophet are nonetheless understood to be a Revelation from God because the Prophet is protected by God from falling into error in conveying the religion. Even if the Prophet independently reasons a law on some matter, it will be part of the religion. And if some other law is better than it, God will allow the Prophet to change his mind, as in the example of the hadeeth where the Prophet ruled through analogy that it is permissible to have intercourse with a pregnant wife, after having forbidden it out of fear of harm for the child. This ruling in Islam here is a Revelation because the Prophet is in the end made infallible in conveying the Law. He is guarded against settling on a less than perfect law. As Allah finally said ((Today, I have perfected your religion for you)).
But this concept of the Prophet exercising independent reasoning to legislate in the religious sphere is not applicable to cases like determining the direction of prayer. It is incorrect to say that the Prophet legislated the way we pray or fast. I believe that this is reserved for rulings where independent reasoning is applicable.
Nonetheless, when I criticised the claim that facing Jerusalem is a choice by the Prophet, I meant to say that the verse in Baqara and its historical context obviously point to the fact that facing Jerusalem was a revealed Law. Whether this was revealed by a verse that was then part of the Quran, by a direct command to the Prophet, or by an independent reasoning in the law, that is all irrelevant. In any one of these cases, when that ruling was changed by God, it was an example of an abrogation of a revealed Law. If facing Jerusalem was merely a preference and not a Revelation, there would have been no abrogation when the Prophet was told to face Mecca, which defeats the purpose of the verses in Baqara.
Also, it does not make sense to say that facing the kaaba was merely a preference, because the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم was longing to face the kaaba as the verses indicate. He used to make the kaaba between himself and Jerusalem when he prayed because he could not go against Revelation. He hoped that Allah would change the qibla to Mecca.
@@Call2TruthChannel "Also, it does not make sense to say that facing the kaaba was merely a preference, because the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم was longing to face the kaaba as the verses indicate. He used to make the kaaba between himself and Jerusalem when he prayed because he could not go against Revelation. He hoped that Allah would change the qibla to Mecca."
THANK YOU brother.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician Only Allah is the lawgiver. Take the dietry verses and read them carefully. Try explaining them.
Q5:3 Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the
esh of swine, and that
which has been dedicated to other than Allah,
Q2:173 He has ONLY forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the fl
esh
of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Q16:115-116 He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the
esh of
swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah. But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit] - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. And do not say about what your tongues assert of untruth, " This is lawful and this is unlawful" to invent falsehood about Allah . Indeed, those who invent FALSEHOOD about Allah will not succeed.
Q6:145-149 Say, I DO NOT FIND in what has been revealed to me
anything forbidden to eat except carrion, running blood, swine which is impure or a sinful o ering in the name of any other than Allah. But if someone is compelled by necessity neither driven by desire nor exceeding immediate need then surely your Lord is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Q6:150 Say, [O Muhammad], Bring forward your witnesses who will testify
that Allah has prohibited this." And if they testify, DO NOT TESTIFY WITH THEM. And do not follow the desires of those who deny Our verses and those who do not believe in the Hereafter, while they equate [others] with their Lord.
Q6:38 All living beings roaming the earth and winged birds soaring in the sky are communities like yourselves. WE HAVE LEFT NOTHING OUT OF THIS BOOK Then to their Lord they will be gathered all together.
@@adilrasheedonline And Allah, the Lawgiver, gave this command in His completed book: أطيعوا الرسول. Command tense. سمعنا وأطعنا.
Seems to me that Surah 24 Ayah 58 is a pretty strong argument against these Hadith rejectors. Passing references to Fajr and Isha prayers and they are mentioned no where else in the Quran. Clearly it is referencing something known outside of itself.
Anyone who propagates only following Qur'an alone without the Prophetic traditions is upon outright misguidance. Allah (S.W.A.) states in the Qur'an, whomever obeys the Prophet has obeyed Allah. Allah has also stated, say: if you truly love Allah then follow me (Muhammad) then Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins.
In order to attain Allah's love one must follow Muhammad (S.A.W.). This guy yuksel has even mocked the prophet by saying his duty was that of a postman. This guy is truly an enemy of Islam. All the major scholars, Abu Hanifah, Imam Malik, Imam Al-Shafie' and Imam Ahmed are in agreement that anyone who rejects the Sunnah have left the fold of Islam.
I found him very disrespectful of the Prophet SAW and his mission. These Quranists seem to follow their own desires and make up their own religion when it is not mentioned in the Quran. This is simply making up the religion as they see fit. Astaghfirullah.
@@aliaub75 not true. Quran alone prays 5 times aday, gives zakat , going to meka, doesnt drink, believes in Hijab for women, doesnt eat pork etc but rejects all Hadiths which goes against the holy Quran
Dont lie. Allah does not say obey the Prophet, but the Messenger. There are a a great difference
True, I stand corrected, the translation is Messenger not Prophet. It was a sincere mistake in my translation and jazak Allahu khair for pointing it out. My sincere advice to you is try to have husn at-than of your brothers or sisters in Islam by not assuming that they are intentionally lying. Thank you!
There is no consensus on consensus it is bogus.
Towards the end of the debate, Jake brings up about how Edip prays & how Edip promoted to end the prayer by saying Alhamdulillah. Edip then dismiss this and say along the lines that these aren't necessary, and going to details & specifics of prayer will be a rabbit hole. He even said you could pray 40 units or 2 units whatever, it doesn't matter and that the discussion will retract one from main message of the Quran etc etc.
I wish Jake would have pushed him further on this, because how could prayer, being repeated perhaps more than 50x in the Quran, could possibly be done just according to ones whims and desires and not taught formally in the Quran? Like, if prayer was so important as to be repeated often, in fact Quran goes as far as to narrate how people in Hellfire would wish to go back to Earth to establish prayer, wouldn't the logical question be "why hasn't the Quran taught formally to people on how to pray?".
Like, it make no sense, people could pray however they one as long as you cherry pick certain verses from the Quran, like Edip did, but then he turned hesitant and said "oh well, its not necessary".
Of course it would be a rabbit hole for Edip, he has no answer.
Anyways, huge respect to Jake, been patient all the time throughout the discussion! May Allah bless him.
Thank you brother jack for your time and jazak allaho khairan ..there were no answers from mr edip..always running away may Allah guide him and All of us to the right path ..example .the Salah ayaa..هُوَ الَّذِي يُصَلِّي عَلَيْكُمْ وَمَلَائِكَتُهُ لِيُخْرِجَكُم مِّنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ ۚ وَكَانَ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ رَحِيمًا. الاحزاب .43
there is another ayaa which is the mathna .. explaining how Allah and angels are performing that sallah ..and how believers performing sallah it is coming through the prophet Mohammed peace be upon him - الاحزاب الآية 56 إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ ۚ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا
This sallah is for us to be taken from darkness to the light ..the question here . Why the our Salahs meet at the prophet Mohammed? Is it part time of the other revelations (وحي او السنة ) and this will clear things out and guide us to the light!!
There are other meanings and more و الله اعلم
Maasha Allaah! See you in jannah INSHA ALLAAH brosef
Thanks
Hey Jake nice video… the best quranist online is shuaib abdullahi. Having a debate/conversation with him will be a great add to the channel
Isn't the Sunnah basically the apllication of the Quran by the Massenger? didn't he follow the Quran as a father as a leader as warrior as a human? why can't the prophet PBUH as a father as leader as a warrior be a role model for humanity? what are they smoking bro?
LOL. The Abraham one was past tense
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Tenses in arabic are not that simple
Exactly! There wasn't any problem with his translations. He literally just threw his own translation under the bus in an attempt to avoid admitting that his fundamental position is incorrect.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
@@MrSuperman957 true 😔
According to him, Abraham and Ismael built the Kaaba while the Prophet ﷺ was reciting those verses, and the Jews were saved from the Pharaoh, if those verses were all present tense. I didn't realize Abraham, Moses, and Mohammed, peace be upon them all, were all contemporaries.
@@Suleiman212 LOL
Strong video brother. May Allah reward you br Jake.
Ameen!
I've watched this half way paying attention like three times and keep missing the key arguing points so I cant evaluate the arguments and weigh them out. Lol back here again for the fourth time.
The verse he falsely claimed is in present is "When you were imploring your lord;" his fallacious nonsense was playing on the fact that "imploring" is present but "when" can not come in the present tense plus the way it was said is analogous to saying "when you were."
Yes, he literally tried to throw his own translation of the Qur'an under the bus in a poor attempt to maintain his false position. really sad
Your way of debating respectfully is really beautiful to see. Secondly, the hadith rejecter expects us to understand his points based on his principles. He also should do the same. But he makes fun of us imitating the Prophet praying because we follow him because he said: pray as you see me pray. I understand he doesn't believe in hadith. But don't make fun of us as if we were making a logical fallacy here. Based on our believes we are acting correctly.
Yes, he thinks that all who believe in the Sunnah of the prophet alayhi salaam are mushrikeen. His position is unfortunate to say the least.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician then I am curious how he will interpret this verse: Whoever obeys the Messenger has truly obeyed Allah. But whoever turns away, then ˹know that˺ We have not sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a keeper over them. So if he rejects hadith and gives verses like this his own illogic interpretation. What can we say. That he knows better than the people who were living in the prophets time and following him in these matters he is discussing now. And if he doesn't trust the transmitters than these were also the transmitters of the Qur'an.
@@elmustapha111 what do you think "obey the messenger" means?
do you think it means the same as "obey the prophet?"
and, by saying "obey the messenger" it would be same as saying "obey the message that the messenger is reciting to you" ... don't you think so?
18:27 And recite what was revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. There is no changing His words, and you will find no refuge except in Him
but, if it were written as "obey the prophet" then... you have the opportunity to obey what somebody said he heard from somebody who, in turn, overheard it from a a very very reliable source who narrated it to somebody and so on and so forth... as an added bonus, those words could easily be changed to suit the political needs of those in power, no?
but, you are more than welcome to interpret it the way you want to... alas in the end... we will all know... but by then... it is too late for some of us!
salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 If Allah wanted to say "obey the message that the messenger brought," He could have said that, سبحانه وتعالى. But He said "obey the messenger."
@@shukriyusof2104 سمعنا وأطعنا
Just found out about this debate.
Subhan Allah, I started to ask if this person is really a follower of Prophet Muhammad's pbuh teachings.
I am not a scholar but I do understand a little bit of Arabic. He said that "Sunnah" means "Law", very sad.
Alhamdullilah for the blessing of the Sunnah
@@brenda726 oh wow thank you o great scholar of Islam 😂 😂
The verse 144 in Surah Baqarah does suggest the first Qibla was imoosed by God because Prophet is seeking approval from God to turn towards Masjid al Haram from the previous Qibla.
He is inconsistent on translation of 8:9 iz tastagithuna(when condition used present verb: when you are imploring) and fastajaba( then condition used past verb: he answered).
Therefore when condition must occur before then condition therefore if then condition is past then ' when condition 'must take the past verbs.
Therefore translation are corrects using past translation for present verb which 100% agrees with historical events.
Therefore the correct answer is 'when you were imploring/ implored ' which is referring to past events.
Edip Yuksel was declared an apostate by his father. and considers many of Allah's prohibitions as halal.
Jake smashed this fool 🤣
1:08:25 a new ayah revealed
Salaam brother Jake you finished him when you used his own translation against him, he waffles so much and I'm glad you let him because he digs himself deeper and deeper, perfect example was when you talked about the Qibla and he said it was irrelevant 🤦🏽 after giving his 1st example and realised it didn't make any sense
Did he say Imam Abu Hanifa rejected ahadees?🤦🏽♂️ is he for real?😂
...good job bro Jake....keep on moving
Edip has such arrogance.. it really bothers me that he's just saying "muhammed" as the messenger was just some ordinary joe.
He has to do this so that he can reject sunnah and interpret the Quran as he likes instead of following the traditional scholorship.
According to his belief he has no bond with prophet(pbuh). He thinks exactly like you said an ordinary joe. "He was just came to deliver the Quran and passed away not more than that."
You guys in the state of Dunning krugger effect. You make up your own rule and say it from Allah. Are you the one who make rule in this deen? You mix culture with deen. Muhammad is muhammad. He is the prophet and messenger. He is the same as other prophet. Never Allah forbid us to say his name "muhammad" only. You are not who make the rule. Dont say something haram if Allah never say that.
@@subilabi Lemme put the Quranist hat on:
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِيِّۚ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ صَلُّواْ عَلَيۡهِ وَسَلِّمُواْ تَسۡلِيمًا
just consider me as a literalist Quranist who prefers taking the abovementioned verse literally. It's not just a verse, it comes in an ordering form صَلُّواْ.
A Quranist should take the literal clear words of the Qur'an above all human interpretations ... humans err and a Quranist should take literal words of Qur'an over any human interpretation because there is a possibility of error and because accepting human interpretation might be a form of shirk (to be consistent with your Quranist beliefs). How do you, me or Edip get the authority to interpret a clear-cut literal word to something else that is figurative besides what the word literally means?!! Let alone an interpretation of someone who is not even fluent in Arabic, like Edip for example.
31:20 he tries to sort of separate the issue into "leadership decision" as simply political convenience but this makes no sense since secular political decisions would not involve a religious ritual (Salat). Clearly this was more than just politics and had religious significance. Secondly, If it was simply politically expedient, The Quran would not have mentioned there was a previous direction and would simply say from now on pray in this direction since this would satisfy the need that edip mentions of it being binding on the Muslims to now follow as a religious obligation vs before when it was the Prophet's personal political choice as a leader. It makes more sense that the Prophet was given a revelation to pray in that direction as a religious significance and then later given a Quranic revelation that would overwrite the non Quranic one. It doesn't make sense that a direction of prayer in one instance is just political leadership and then in another instance its religious. Both instances were religiously binding on the Muslims at the time each revelation was active. Had there been no Quranic verse to change it, we would still be praying in the older direction. In none of his analogies, did he bring up something religious.
He has some fascinating Arguments
Salaam Jake much respect to you he got stuck on the Qibla and that was the end of him right from the 1st question
Akhi when it the debate happening on Hamza den / EFDawah?
Probably sometime after Ramadan in shaa Allah
sunnat just means trodden path, practices, ways... its strange how Edip argues we shouldn't use word sunnah because quran says sunnatuAllah, he conveniently forgets about sunnatul awaleen mentioned in the Quran multiple times...
It is past continuous. You were right.
Yes, he was being dishonest. Threw his own translation under the bus in an attempt to avoid my argument. Even though his translation was actually adequate.
Wow you really roasted the Quranist to ashes, with his own arguments.
History came from all the sahabas n the generations
He said so many lies that went unchalnged , and its so clear he is anti arab anti prophet peace be upon him, please brother jake set with arab scholer and watch the video with him , he will tell you that alot of what he said about the arabic meanings and uses are not accurate
I already pointed this out in the video.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician i am really sorry brother jake he got me so mad 😅its just so sad that so many follow him ,may allah guid us and them to the truth
Edip deconstructed his religion when he described how to pray. May Allah keep us following the messenger of Allah because his example is the best example to be taken. And the liars like Edip cannot cast any shadows upon the sunna of the prophet.
I think the first point Jake made went right over his head. The fact he stated the prophet determined the direction of the Qibla defeated the Qur’an only argument. He made a decision without the Quran so that in and of itself proves all his guidance isn’t contained in the Quran.
I think the brother Edip was confused, It seemed to me he was arguing the word meant present / future tense yet all the verses were referring to past tense. Even the part about Ibrahim(AS) it was about an event that happened in the PAST so at most you could say present/ past tense NOT future.
He's funny when he doesn't want to answer questions too.
His whole belief is do what you want whenever you want or don't do it at all. Every muslim can have his own islam according to edip 😆
Yes, he was dishonest with his own translation just to try and avoid the conclusion of the argument.
"it's not past tense here I'll give you example"
*Proceeds to only show waiz used in a past tense🤣🤣
I think you were imposing a framework on him. He leaves alot of details open to the person's own preference
7:46 calling the prophet of Allah swt mailman is disgraceful, and he can’t even bother to say SAW as Muslim or PBUH and to of that he said at “8:44 God is Quran and messenger is Hadith or Sunnah ” nobody says that beside Quranist 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. The old fella arguing from emotion no intellectual or critical reasoning but I please with brother Jake may Allah swt be please with you.
How can you compare prayer with standing in the post office ?
How about circumsize?
It would be enough to recite the Aya as an answer: that old qibla was made by Allah and not by the prophet ("And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels".
So how does he pray? I still don't know after his 10min explanation.
Quran 2:125 commands you take your prayer from the standing position of Prophet Ibrahim so do that. To the contrary the hadith books (neither of sunnis nor of shiit) will not even tell you the number of rakat in each prayer.
@@adilrasheedonline Lol, what about rakaat ?
U think u saved him now ?
@@user-kd1uh1kr4b the salah is handed over to us using physical demonstration from the standing position of prophet Ibrahim. If someone to the contrary makes a claim that it is preserved using hear says called the sectarian hadith books then he should at least be able to give this basic information (no. of rakat in each salah). Unfortuantely when any hadith idolator is cornered he either digresses the discussion or runs away.
@@adilrasheedonline and how did Ibrahim pbuh him pray exactly ?
Prayer is not just a standing position is it ?
@@adilrasheedonline by calling us hadith idolaters you actually proved to me that i was not wrong about u " كفار السنة"
This Edip is very condescending.
in 58:54: it doesn't matter what he said, the answer of Allah is in past tense and it's not in the Quran and this Aya is reporting about it. so the question remains unanswered.
1:09:21 this is a logical fallacy. if I tell you "he did not eat and sleep but he fasted and read a book" that doesn't mean that sleeping is the opposite of reading books.
Salaam alaykum. If you would have just turned to the Arabic you would have easily proven your point. The verse says Allah made the qibla upon the prophet (S) referring to jerusalem and then turned his (s) face towards masjid al haram. The words made (jaalna) and upon (alayha) are clearly referring to commands sent down from the heavens upon the prophet (S) for the Muslim community. The Quran also confirms as is well known that the prophet (s) wasnt allowed to rule by his own desires. Now one thing to point out is that even Sunni scholars differered on whether or not the Sunnah can abrogate the Quran or if only the Quran can abrogate the Sunnah. So we can just agree for arguments sake the Quran is the final authority. Yet the Quran commands us to follow the prophet (S) and take what he gives you. So we can agree revelation came down outside of the Quran for the community at large and if the Quran doesnt abrogate it we are all obligated to follow it. Lastly, if one were to say the hadith are unverifiable today the Quran commands you to ask the people of knowledge if you dont know. Wa salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah
46:13
"إذ" is not present continues tense bro
Hakima is not another book that was meant to be written down as religious doctrine.
Peace Jake. Are you willing to have a discussion on a public Discord server on following the Quran alone?
Those verses before about Abraham and the sacred house came with the later verses. It’s all the same context
Did I hear him say he received revelation from Allah?
Edip went a bit off with qibla explanation. However he is right that regardless of the fact that Muhammad received wahy to make the qibla change , it doesn't prove that there is a secondary source of guidance for us besides the Quran. This qibla verses only tell us that the Muslim community at the time was put to a test through a specific commandment . It has no relevance whatsoever to the future generations of Muslims and this is why the commandment is absent in the Quran. Using the qibla verses to justify hadith narrations as a secondary source besides the quran is a very weak argument
Brother Jake,
I've answered to all misleading and twisted explanations he mentioned.
His luck of Arabic and Qu'ran terminologies, as well as his luck of Islam in general deceived people like him.
I can be of a help, If you would like a clarification and refutation on any point he mentioned, Insha'Allah.
In regards to Queblah, it is obvious that it was previous guidance from Allah and was not included in the Quraan.
WALLAHI Hanifa didn't follow quran alone this man is a straight up liar because he wants to follow his desires its sad hadith rejectors are so beyond frustrating
He never followed sahih bukhari ,muslim , tirmizi ,ibn majah and other Hadith he died 100 years before these books were published
And We made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad ) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e., disobey the Messenger).) (2:143)……ONLY to test who FOLLOWED THE MESSENGER!!!!! Clear cut my brother
Translate and publish the Quran in English by knowing there are mistakes!! Come yourself. This guy saying “were” but then said it is present. Even if he try to deny subha Allah , his tongue confessed the truth but still he doesn’t hear what he’s own tongue speaks
He a knowledged he isn't perfect and only human. The Qur'an itself is perfect so at least he is aware of his mistakes
@@darfvaderr2191 none is perfect but the point is that he doesn’t really believe his translation had mistakes. His translation was fine just like all the other translations . To be able to dismiss brother jake’s point he had nothing to do except saying he had mistakes in the translation. Check if he revised any of his translation two years after the debate.
@@erdemgogceloglu5480 Once again, that's my point, Qur'an is perfect, people are not.
These verses were for the followers of Prophet Muhammad.
3:124 I am an Arab and a translator so I know what tense it is. Unless the other speaker thinks Arabic is a dead language and no one can challenge him.
In Arabic we have a form and a tense, and sometimes the form is present but the meaning is past لم يلد ولم يولد is the simplest expample
The other verse which states وما جعله is in the past
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As a new revert from Christianity…Jake is trying so hard, almost stubbornly so, to hold onto his belief in the hadith even when presented with simple answers - something Ive learned in law school, “smart” people tend to overthink, overanalyze , and overcomplicate.
It seems clear from the Quran rules that are clear no need to discuss, however things that are unanswered…are to be discussed between the people - Islamic Jurispudence. But man made laws change for the time. I still have so much more to learn and am open to learn.
If that's your takeaway from this debate, then you're a lost cause. May Allah guide you. Btw, I'm not a "new revert." I've been a Muslim for almost 15 years.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician I am the new revert and open to learning and always open to the possibility that Im wrong (please send me resources). With fresh eyes and no dog in the fight - I dont care if you were right or if he was right I just want the truth. I analyzed the arguments and the rebuttals made (as a lawyer that’s what I do for a living) and no disrespect but your rebuttals were lacking e.g. the qiblah argument. This video is old so maybe your arguments are better now but not here in this video. You should rewatch the video.
Im still working on the Quran but honestly it’s so simple to understand. When he said a person on the street could understand I have to agree. No disrespect but hadith followers remind me of the children of Israel in the desert commanded to sacrifice a cow. Yeh but what kind? But what color? But young or old? Some people are perfectionists but some people will use the high standards as an excuse to not follow and give up. Reading that passage I was so frustrated - just sacrifice a doggone cow as you were commanded.
Can you please explain what the qiblah argument was?
@@TheMuslimMetaphysicianplease correct me if I misstate your position. The rule you are applying is that the prophet (pbuh) received revelations from Allah (swt) that we must follow which were not necessarily revealed in the Quran. You then apply that rule to a set of facts found in 2:143. You argue that the qiblah mentioned in 2:143 is not identified anywhere in the Quran. That the qiblah was CHOSEN by Allah(swt) and mandatory for all followers. Therefore the identity of the qiblah in 2:143 must have been revealed to Muhammad outside of the Quran which is further proof that not all obligatory law is included in the Quran - hence the need for hadith.
Your presumption, however, is that Allah (swt) must have CHOSEN the direction in 2:143, but you presented no evidence for this claim other than retroactively applying a later revelation (2:144) to a past event. Put simply I think you believe that bc Allah (swt) mandated a specific qiblah in 2:144 then He must have done the same in 2:143. The brother asked a great question “where are you getting this from?” Bc your claim may be true but again you presented no evidence for that position. What also may be true is that as a pious man and a just and knowledgeable leader, in his time, Muhammad (pbuh) made laws for the land for all people to be on one. accord.
Again I do not know who is right or wrong bc Im still studying. I believe that (1) the Quran is the eternal word of Allah (swt) good for all times. (2) Any revelation outside of his eternal word is for the people of that time. I shant move on position 1, position 2 Im open to change based on more information.
@SomeofThisSomeofThat that is incorrect. My argument is that there are 2 options as to what happened, both of which are acceptable from a Sunni paradigm, and neither of which is acceptable for the Qur'an only paradigm. It is either the case that the prophet received extra-Qur'anic revelation, which was religiously binding upon the Muslim community or the prophet didn't receive extra-Qur'anic revelation regarding this issue, but the prophet himself through his own ijtihad can order religiously binding rulings upon the Muslim community apart from divine revelation. The Qur'an alone position is generally that the prophet did not receive extra-Qur'anic revelation that is religiously binding upon the Muslim community at large in terms of their obligations. Likewise, the Qur'an alone position generally maintains that the prophet did not have the authority to give religiously binding rulings upon the entire Muslim community absent of divine revelation. Therefore, either option is problematic for the Qur'an alone advocate to accept. If you have a third option, please present it or if you think that either of the options I presented are acceptable for a Qur'an only advocate, then please explain why.
Jake Alleh bless you I like you man you are so smart
He's Quran only
It is so when someone is trying to comment Qur'an on his oun self and not taking references from classic scholars, from their knowledge. Very pathetic.
For the truth seekers, if you fear going astray, then remember this verse, when analyzing verses on the Quran in not so common ways:
3:7
هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ مِنْهُ ءَايَـٰتٌۭ مُّحْكَمَـٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـٰبِهَـٰتٌۭ ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌۭ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـٰبَهَ مِنْهُ ٱبْتِغَآءَ ٱلْفِتْنَةِ وَٱبْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِۦ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ ۗ وَٱلرَّٰسِخُونَ فِى ٱلْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّۭ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُو۟لُوا۟ ٱلْأَلْبَـٰبِ ٧
He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise-they are the foundation of the Book-while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations-but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺-it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason.
- Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
Also, call out to Allah, after all, no people of knowledge will guide you without the permission of Allah, so why would you try to go to someone else besides him?
I'm saying this because i'm being tested with this, what i am sure is that i have to follow the law, that is what it means to be a muslim, to submit to God's commands, so when people become arrogant, no matter even if you are right, then we must turn back and be humble, and more patient, so God may guide us since we do the effort to do good.
Alhamdulillah.
I don't know if someone who rejects the sunnah, or someone who accepts it will go to jahannam because of such action, I pray whoever reads this and myself do the actions that by the permission of Allah will lead us to Paradise, to the Garden.
I fear for a day where we will stand before Allah, alone, and then all what we did will have a determinated weight.
I fear doing wrong, and having no excuse for it, and it being grave.
Ya Allah, forgive me because i do wrong, and don't let me be a hypocrite, i fear a harsh punishment would fall on me if i did wrong persistently...
But I know Allah is the most merciful, so i hope he will forgive me my sins.
May that be so, Ameen.
How dare he an ignorent person arabic speak about quranic arabic , ith اذ is past tence
He (almost?) never says صل الله عليه وسلم
40:18 maybe fully detailed is not a good way to say it. I think of it as "the Quran gives us as much detail as Allah wanted us to have".
I do not assume that Allah owes us a fully detailed description of creation and if Allah wanted us as to have an explanation for everything he would surely have made our brains bigger, wouldn't he?
Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam. This saying was really common amongst the Salaf
Islam is Milat Ibrahim, the faith of Ibrahim and Sunnat of Allah, both in Qur'an, nowhere will you find Sunnat of the prophet Muhammad (the way of Muhammad) only the way of Allah!
How can you say that the only job of a messenger is to deliver the message. Then why did Allah spoke soooo much about other messengers in the Quran ? So they are important, but the islamic messenger is not ? Makes no sense at all !!!
Masha Allah to jake
SALAAM,
Just a small question:
If you follow QUR'AN alone, then it's next to impossible to prove that QUR'AN was bestowed upon PROPHET SAW ♥️ !?!?!?
PROPHET SAW ♥️ becomes third person in QUR'AN if we try to understand QUR'AN linguistically !!!
We can't find attributes of SALAH from QUR'AN alone ??
Qur'an is a clear book, then how can we explain WHO WAS ABU LAHAB from it ??
With QUR'AN only, we can't prove KAABA was made by IBRAHIM AS !!!
I hope you understand my questions. Seeking TRUTH for real, no mean of insult to anyone.
SALAAMUN ALAYKUM
1:00:59 you asked him one simple question and then he waffled for over 10min. I suggest you keep people like him on point in future and don't let them get away with waffling as to those who follow him will see it as he has answered the question when in reality he ran away from it.
I think any honest person will be able to see that he gave an answer outside of Qur'an with respect to the Qiblah, which is against his own Qur'an alone principle, threw his own translation of the Qur'an under the bus simply to avoid the conclusion of the argument even though his translation was accurate, and admitted that the details for his prayer are not in the Qur'an and that we can simply pray however we want. This is clear enough to put the nail in the coffin.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician Thank you brother for your work. That beginning part about the qiblah direction, I may be wrong but I believe you didn't get his point and/or there was a misunderstanding. You were trying to point out the difference between making a decision on clothes colour or making a decision on prayer direction, and that they are not analogous because of their difference in importance. 2 things: first, the clothes may be a bad example and may seem simple, but it can be a life or death decision regarding wartime dress , as he mentioned. And secondly, which is the main thing, is that before the qiblah direction verse came down, prayer direction wasn't as important as it is now, thus making it analogous to a wartime dress decision, (which is important) or other "leader decisions"
Also regarding your first irrefutable point about the qiblah says that because the prophet and his followers were facing a direction before the verse: you said that he ordered them to do so, we don't know that. Maybe the Prophet liked to pray that way and they simply followed him. Secondly you said that because they were facing a direction that *it was ordained by Allah*, how do you know that? It was ordained in that first quranic verse I believe. Before then it wasn't as important.
@@codog2575 The point of the question is the what is the qiblah that is mentioned in the ayah
@@kutsc3792 that may have been the main question but not the reason for asking, as that answer was only going to be used to prove his ACTUAL point , which was he received wahi outside of the quran
cleary edip waffling when answering jake question..
Whatever the messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, abstain, 59:7. So I’m Sunni muslim
surely you're a sunni, that's why you lie👍👍
full verse 59:7 As for gains granted by Allah to His Messenger from the people of ˹other˺ lands, they are for Allah and the Messenger, his close relatives, orphans, the poor, and ˹needy˺ travellers so that wealth may not merely circulate among your rich. Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it. And whatever he forbids you from, leave it. And fear Allah. Surely Allah is severe in punishment.
Haha why don't you guys ever use the whole verse and preceding verses? At no point is it talking about hadith but the spoils of war and what you can take.
This is critical to me, be it one or another, the pursue of truth must be our priority.
None should wish to go astray, nor to fall into hypocrisy, and I say this knowing that none explicitly wishes for that, but some may do unknowingly.
I'm scared, not going to lie, I know I'm not perfect, tend to be distracted and always liked the occult stuff, I want to obey Allah subhana wa taala, even if it's hard, or if i have disobedience in the heart for some reason, i don't want it, Subhanallah the atheists claim fear or hellfire makes our moral actions not so moral, but if it wasn't for it, Allah knows where I would be, before reverting I was lawless and had bad ideas, Alhamdulillah for Islam.
Going Quran solo is something a lot of us are tempted with, after all it is the criterion, and hadiths have fabrications, so why would we tell the Christians to not follow the Bible when it has fabrications, when we follow the hadiths.
Of course, hadiths may not the be same, since each piece is qualified or not by a chain, which is stronger than what the Bible has, I believe.
I appreciate this tremendously, I want the truth, no matter what it is, even if it makes me suffer, even tho of course none desires suffering.
There is that person, the one who claimed to be a nabi using his discoveries of the math in the Quran, Allah knows best about him.
What I fear is to fall in what the J3ws did, if you remember, they killed many prophets unjustly.
But false prophets also are a thing.
So I don't think we can discard a person without proof, nor believe someone without taking some precautions.
This is what I'm investigating, I don't want to go astray, I swear to God i fear hellfire and misguidance as anyone who tries to be a Muslim does.
I know that this, one way or another, is a test from Allah subhana wa taala.
I feard when i had some attitudes the disbelievers had mentioned in the Quran, but with other people, then tho, i realized they are divinators clearly, because they admit it, (i don't hear them willingly, but my parents watch that filfh, because of their curiosity, may Allah guide them) but then, the Quran exposes those, even they admit they are unsure of their claims, so they assume, some of them that hellfire doesn't exist, astagfirulah.
So i know those are liars, then my attitude is right still? That is what I want to know, what is the attitude of a believer before something we are unsure, and before something we know, Quraincly especially, that they are liars, even if they smile and speak gently... (so they are wolves in sheep's skin basically)
Also, one this that does strike me, is how some people do praise Muhammad sallalahu alaihi wa salam, more than other messengers, because we are told in the Quran to tell others that we make no distinctions among them.
That to me sounds like hypocrisy, but i might be wrong, I know God does rank people differently, but i'm talking about us and our attitude.
And this stuff is important, sunnism may have defects, and if we don't solve them, then people may go into weirder sects.
So some people may leave a group that makes some mistakes, only to join another who doesn't do that but makes even harder mistakes.
Allahu 3alam who is who.
I want to be of the ones who say "I'm from the submitters" and be truthful.
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatulahi wa barakatuh
"is taqulu " when u were saying , when u are saying :D
48:10 he is dishonest akhi , from what i can see . there is no point debating dishonest people
hes arguing for ur case cos its what happens when people are dishonest
˹Remember, O Prophet,˺ when you said to the believers(if i replace when u said with when u were saying , nothing really changes), “Is it not enough that your Lord will send down a reinforcement of three thousand angels for your aid?”
Threw his own translation under the bus to try to maintain a false position he has. SubhanAllah!
He argument dose not any sense
He dosent speak from his own desires
Kaaba and color of clothes are completely different subjects but this old dude thinks they are same in significance
I think edip yuskel responded rationally.
Jake 👌🏻
Edip keeps contradicting himself all the time, any reason he give as an example other than what it says in the Quran is either Hadith or his own interpretation which is a contradiction because he doesn’t believe in it.
Jake was brilliant Masha Allah.
This Jake preaches Quran only on other videos. Probably he's changed his belief after seeing the truth. Wallahu'alam
everybody knows that this quran only is a topic that was planted into peoples hearts. even quran disagrees with the quran only arguement. it says OBEY ALLAH, THE RASOOL AND ALL THOSE WHO POSSESS THE AMR AMONG YOU.