Please note that I saw in the ADO group that the actual weight of this bike is 15.3 kg, which is 3 kg heavier than the advertised 12.5 kg. I admit that it is a beautiful bike, but it does deceive consumers in terms of weight.
As a means of comparison with like for like including battery Canadian Carbo X (10ah batt) £2250 15kg Brompton electric £3600 15.6kg Gocycle G4i £4000 16.9kg ADO Air Carbon £1899 15.2kg
@@SamuelSegat6314as you say, it’s best bike in class, admittedly the wrong advertised weight, but still a great bike, so people still keeping the bike from what I understand.
@@SamuelSegat6314 It is certainly not resolved yet. Many of us are still in the middle of this process and seeing if they can really make up for it. Its been incredibly frustrating to say the least.
Please note: The bike which you receive when you order now in mass production have 15.3 kg. Anyway if this for you is not important this is a really beautiful bike with a good performance. Especially in 2-tone color an eyecatcher...
Thanks for the review. 1) Did you check the weight of the bike yourself? Because in the past ADO have underrated the weight of their other bikes ... 2) Is the motor named 'Bafang' on the hub or is it only thus named in the advertisement? 3) You didn't show the display. Does it give you directions (when connected to the app) like the other ADO's do? 4) Does the battery somewhere mention the brand, like 'Samsung'? Quick release on the handelbar, once you have found the right angle, could be easily replaced whith a more permanent solution, I think. Overall, I very much like this bike to take along on the train here in the Netherlands to visit other cities (museums etc.) and the diverse nature reserves. I'm over 70 years old so I don't like to have a bike of over 20 kilograms! Thanks again for the review!
Hi, 1) I haven't got a scale to test that but I'm sure it's over 12.5 now with the lights and kickstand maybe close to 14 kilos. I'll have to try weight it. But still feels really light. 2) Yes it's a bafang brand motor with Bafang on it. 3) Standard display used in other models like the Air 20 Pro so it will with the app 4) No mention I can see on it. I will ask ADO but it should be LG/Samsung cells like the Air 20 Pro. Yes the handlebar bar shouldn't be too hard to fix and thanks so much for watching and the comment!
@@Techtablets Thank you very much for your quick response! Much appreciated. I think this will be my next e-bike. Specifically for use on trains, being relatively light and no oily chain exposed.
If you ride mostly on the flat then it's well worth going for carbon belt drive. Also look at the Ado Air 20 Pro I prefer it as it has the geared hub but it's heavier by about 4 kilos.
Yes the Gocycle ones but crazy expensive and really not worth it I did review one about two years ago and it was amazing but can't justify that price tag.
@@howardlam6181 BTW. The MIRIDER ONE GB3 total weight is 19.4Kg. The Fiido E-Gravel C21 full size bike is 18Kg. Bit odd that such a tiny bike weight is more than a full sized e-bike, imo the frame is too much overbuild. MIRIDER ONE GB3 £2495 Fiido E-Gravel C21 £843 Almost 3 time the PRIZE!!! This is why I am cheering for Fiido they are breaking open the monopoly ridiculous high E-Bike market!
So if I remove the mudguards and stand from the air 20 pro i get similar weight but with extra features? And what is the difference in climbing power between the carbon and the pro?
First, what is the real weight? They started with saying 12.5kg of a bike, now it seems they've moved to mentioning it's 12.5kg for the frame only, which could mean overall weight of 15kg total... that could make it about 3kg less (or about 15% less) than the regular aluminium model for about €600 more (or about 50% more)... unless of course it is truly about 12kg total as that would then mean about 30% weight reduction over the regular model. Second, how is that rear kickstand mounted? Can you easily mount it to the bike with the tools provided in the package? Does the mounting impact potential misalignment of the belt drive? ADO is still not offering any own/supported/validated solutions. And no kickstand is a major deal breaker for a city roamer, unless all your pitstops guarantee bike rack/stand you can always secure your precious Carbon to... Do you know of any plastic mudguards covering the wheels appropriately that could be used with this bike? Since it's a carbon model it lacks the typical rear triangle mountpoints etc. Finally, you've got a spelling error in your Pros list for GPS... ;)
I don't have scales but I need to weight it, however it fells very light compared to other 20" foldable. With the kickstand and everything I would say over 14 kilos maybe closer to 15 as you mentioned. The kickstand is one I got myself it's just using the rear hub bolt to hold it on. ADO said it will come with the kickstand and magnet to hold it together when folded this is a pre-release unit. Mudgaurds will be sold separately.
@Techtablets ADO offered €100 steel mudguards+rack option on indiegogo platform, but now that the product is available on company's main page, there's no mudguards option available... all the other models in the Air 20" line-up seem to come with mudguards as standard, even the base model with its questionably sufficient plastic ones, but nothing for the carbon top-ranger... I'm just wondering if there are any plastic/carbon mudguards from 3rd parties that could be mounted on this bike using its mountpoints... As to kickstands, they promised them offered through info passed to the reviewers, but even now there's no option officially available in the web shop. Most centrally mounted, those screwed to the support plate, apparently cannot be used due to missing holes and strengthening on the frame. Same applies for typical rear triangle beams mounted models, due to carbon frame, no mountpoints, and "single" angular arm/beam, without the horizontal one typically used. That leaves us with either pedal/crank mounted ones, typically requiring hand-operation, or rear hub bolt mounted one, typically allowing leg-operation, but quite a few of these actually require a couple of mountpoints in a small even triangular fashion, for which by the look of it there are no extra holes in the frame. Regardless, bolt mounted kickstand could require users to disassemble the rear wheel, potentially impacting tension of the belt, or am I wrong here? BTW. Can you link that stand? Potential buyers may be interested in getting those since the manufacturer is not yet providing any option directly... You've recently reviewed nearly-half-this-price Engwe P20, which is supposedly 18.5kg. Is the weight difference between that one and this noticeable and in your opinion worthy of the price difference? Of course, product price worthiness is in the eyes of the target potential customers, and for some any kg less is worth it, regardless of the final MSRP or usability impacts, but given your experience with the many 20" foldables you've had tested, from heavy ones clad in 4" tires to similarly more city oriented 1.75" light ones, how do you find this compared to the competition? Potentially, if this is light enough, you could use regular scales and, you know, weigh yourself, then do the same whilst holding the bike, then subtract first...
Strange I'm sure it will appear on their website soon that you can order them as an add-on. Makes no sense for them to not offer them, I think talking to them they just don't have stock of somethings and this unit I have is a pre-release model. So no official kickstand or extras included.
@Techtablets it's not that strange... they haven't had one developed from the get-go or haven't validated 3rd party ones because most solutions out there are mountable to the support for mid-located options, which AFAIK is not supported on this frame, or to the lower/horizontal beam of the rear triangle, which this frame lacks altogether. Some 3rd party ones require full rear wheel disassembly and replacement of the bolts and that may be a problem for a lot of their customers especially given it's a belt-driven design where tension needs to be kept at correct levels. Plus, adding the kickstand or any stand at all would further dilute their PR hopes for the lightness focused design. You know, if carbon one weighs at 15-16kg when equipped the same as the approximately 18kg model that comes with all those components in the box/on the bike from factory and you need to pay between 150% and 200% the slightly heavier one's price, they might lose traction amongst the general public... so it's better PR-wise to claim better weight sans everything to distance further from both own cheaper models and competition, to vaguely promise usability components to arrive in the future as they can always paint it as their continuous thorough testing of potential solutions for their customers safety whilst still selling devices sans such components, to sell a device with "starting subscription contract" as reviewers may skip digging deeper and may be gladly promoting the inclusion of a safety-net in the form of app integrated GPS tracking without realising such feature may be free for only a limited period of time (isn't it 1y or 2y here, and not for life? afterwards, the tracking feature will require an additional paid subscription...)... it's the typical almost corporate speak, same as the purpoted range estimates or gradient promises. We're already very much accustomed to most of those terms... at least in your tests we can kind of get more realistic range verifications/estimates you typically give having ridden the thing on a more or less the same route, or gradient support through your hill climb test, followed by braking performance down the same road...
Please note that I saw in the ADO group that the actual weight of this bike is 15.3 kg, which is 3 kg heavier than the advertised 12.5 kg. I admit that it is a beautiful bike, but it does deceive consumers in terms of weight.
Thanks for the review. ADO said they didn't include a kickstand because it would compromise the carbon frame. Do you know if they are ok with your kickstand? I would love one for the one I ordered, which is just like the one you reviewed. Any thoughts on this?
What are you on about. You can buy those everywhere. Ado also sells a kickstand, but it's 60 EUR and ackwardly fitted on the pedal-crank. If you really bought one you should know this and just go to their web-page maybe? 🙃
@@tip0019 Dear friend, I know about all this very well, I am up to date with everything about Ado Carbon and on what is happening on ADO website, but on our Ado Carbon Facebook group this new kickstand from ADO is very badly evaluated, that's why I'm looking for another competitive kickstand
Dear friend, I know exactly what is going on in the world of Ado Carbon, I also know that the new kickstand is offered in the Ado online store but it is very poorly rated on our Ado Carbon Facebook Group, hence, that's why I'm looking for a competitive solution.
I'd say the same for many US manufactured ones... worse yet, often most do not even offer any worldwide shipping, just continental North America. At least chinese ones can get delivered to most if not all regions ;)
Hey Techbro, if you are interested in a test idea. Since Samsung is not fulfilling my dream of a Galaxy Mini 5.4" and the completely copied Apple Watch Ultra 😅, I wanted to ask you if you could do a whole day trip with the new Galaxy Watch Ultra and the Apple Watch Ultra 2. Smartwatch without a smartphone ☝🏽 digital detox ☝🏽🤔😱 Among other things, I would be interested to know whether the Apple Watch Ultra can be connected to Bluetooth and the car radio. Of course there are many car radios 😅 Day trip example, Shipping day meeting up with friends: of course buy EVERYTHING using the smartwatches, workout in the morning, trip through a city with sat nav, lunch, dinner, maybe an evening cocktail 🍸 etc. you'll come up with something.🥳 essiert bist eine Test idea. Since Samsung is not fulfilling my dream of a Galaxy Mini 5.4" and the completely copied Apple Watch Ultra 😅, I wanted to ask you if you could do a whole day trip with the new Galaxy Watch Ultra and the Apple Watch Ultra 2. Smartwatch without a smartphone ☝🏽 digital detox ☝🏽🤔😱 Among other things, I would be interested to know whether the Apple Watch Ultra can be connected to Bluetooth and the car radio. Of course there are many car radios 😅 Day trip example, Shipping day meeting up with friends: of course buy EVERYTHING using the smartwatches, workout in the morning, trip through a city with sat nav, lunch, dinner, maybe an evening cocktail 🍸 etc. you'll come up with something.🥳
It would be good to mention that the bike with the saddle (battery) weighs over 15 KG!
Please note that I saw in the ADO group that the actual weight of this bike is 15.3 kg, which is 3 kg heavier than the advertised 12.5 kg. I admit that it is a beautiful bike, but it does deceive consumers in terms of weight.
@@SamuelSegat6314 Yes, you can buy the Air 20 for the same weight but €900 cheaper!
BEWARE: Thiis bike is not 12kg, I bought it, it is 15.4kg. They need to change all their advertising.
As a means of comparison with like for like including battery
Canadian Carbo X (10ah batt) £2250 15kg
Brompton electric £3600 15.6kg
Gocycle G4i £4000 16.9kg
ADO Air Carbon £1899 15.2kg
They claim the weight issue has been resolved, so did you get a refund?
@@SamuelSegat6314as you say, it’s best bike in class, admittedly the wrong advertised weight, but still a great bike, so people still keeping the bike from what I understand.
@@SamuelSegat6314 It is certainly not resolved yet. Many of us are still in the middle of this process and seeing if they can really make up for it. Its been incredibly frustrating to say the least.
You should bring a fishing rod for your Ebike videos so you can feed your cat
Yes I'll do that next to feed the cats.
haha exactly what i was thinking 😂
@@n0obgaming233 Well it's all I would catch would be tiny so for the cats.
might be the angle playing tricks on my mind cause i think those were bigger than they look haha
Oh well enough anyway for a cat!
Keep 'em coming mate I love these ebike reviews.
Will do thanks for watching!
Please note: The bike which you receive when you order now in mass production have 15.3 kg. Anyway if this for you is not important this is a really beautiful bike with a good performance. Especially in 2-tone color an eyecatcher...
Thanks for the review.
1) Did you check the weight of the bike yourself? Because in the past ADO have underrated the weight of their other bikes ...
2) Is the motor named 'Bafang' on the hub or is it only thus named in the advertisement?
3) You didn't show the display. Does it give you directions (when connected to the app) like the other ADO's do?
4) Does the battery somewhere mention the brand, like 'Samsung'?
Quick release on the handelbar, once you have found the right angle, could be easily replaced whith a more permanent solution, I think.
Overall, I very much like this bike to take along on the train here in the Netherlands to visit other cities (museums etc.) and the diverse nature reserves.
I'm over 70 years old so I don't like to have a bike of over 20 kilograms!
Thanks again for the review!
Hi,
1) I haven't got a scale to test that but I'm sure it's over 12.5 now with the lights and kickstand maybe close to 14 kilos. I'll have to try weight it. But still feels really light.
2) Yes it's a bafang brand motor with Bafang on it.
3) Standard display used in other models like the Air 20 Pro so it will with the app
4) No mention I can see on it. I will ask ADO but it should be LG/Samsung cells like the Air 20 Pro.
Yes the handlebar bar shouldn't be too hard to fix and thanks so much for watching and the comment!
@@Techtablets Thank you very much for your quick response! Much appreciated.
I think this will be my next e-bike. Specifically for use on trains, being relatively light and no oily chain exposed.
If you ride mostly on the flat then it's well worth going for carbon belt drive. Also look at the Ado Air 20 Pro I prefer it as it has the geared hub but it's heavier by about 4 kilos.
Side reflectors included "wow"!
Nice. Of course what people really want is this frame with the Pro's twin gear system, and maybe have the front fork suspension as an optional extra.
0:44 Yeah, so sad it is hard to find an e-bike with carbon belt drive that don't have only 1 gear.
When you find them they cost something like $5000 😥
Yes the Gocycle ones but crazy expensive and really not worth it I did review one about two years ago and it was amazing but can't justify that price tag.
MIRIDER ONE GB3 has 3 gears £2495 retail
@@howardlam6181 Thanks! the Electroheads review was very distracting lol.
@@howardlam6181 BTW. The MIRIDER ONE GB3 total weight is 19.4Kg.
The Fiido E-Gravel C21 full size bike is 18Kg.
Bit odd that such a tiny bike weight is more than a full sized e-bike, imo the frame is too much overbuild.
MIRIDER ONE GB3 £2495
Fiido E-Gravel C21 £843
Almost 3 time the PRIZE!!!
This is why I am cheering for Fiido they are breaking open the monopoly ridiculous high E-Bike market!
So if I remove the mudguards and stand from the air 20 pro i get similar weight but with extra features?
And what is the difference in climbing power between the carbon and the pro?
This is ideal for taking on the train and the going out and about in a town or city.
I wouldn’t want this as my primary e-bike though.
It certainly is yes 👍
Just clicked the link and saw the price Chris. No thanks. But good review. I'll wait till these are 1200 even that is too much.
Carbon fiber isn't cheap so I knew it was going to be quite pricey for the type of bike.
That's a great bike. Love it. great video Chris.
Thanks 👍
Better ones coming soon in the channel, now if only I could also review some EV's!
First, what is the real weight? They started with saying 12.5kg of a bike, now it seems they've moved to mentioning it's 12.5kg for the frame only, which could mean overall weight of 15kg total... that could make it about 3kg less (or about 15% less) than the regular aluminium model for about €600 more (or about 50% more)... unless of course it is truly about 12kg total as that would then mean about 30% weight reduction over the regular model.
Second, how is that rear kickstand mounted? Can you easily mount it to the bike with the tools provided in the package? Does the mounting impact potential misalignment of the belt drive? ADO is still not offering any own/supported/validated solutions. And no kickstand is a major deal breaker for a city roamer, unless all your pitstops guarantee bike rack/stand you can always secure your precious Carbon to...
Do you know of any plastic mudguards covering the wheels appropriately that could be used with this bike? Since it's a carbon model it lacks the typical rear triangle mountpoints etc.
Finally, you've got a spelling error in your Pros list for GPS... ;)
I don't have scales but I need to weight it, however it fells very light compared to other 20" foldable. With the kickstand and everything I would say over 14 kilos maybe closer to 15 as you mentioned. The kickstand is one I got myself it's just using the rear hub bolt to hold it on. ADO said it will come with the kickstand and magnet to hold it together when folded this is a pre-release unit. Mudgaurds will be sold separately.
@Techtablets ADO offered €100 steel mudguards+rack option on indiegogo platform, but now that the product is available on company's main page, there's no mudguards option available... all the other models in the Air 20" line-up seem to come with mudguards as standard, even the base model with its questionably sufficient plastic ones, but nothing for the carbon top-ranger... I'm just wondering if there are any plastic/carbon mudguards from 3rd parties that could be mounted on this bike using its mountpoints...
As to kickstands, they promised them offered through info passed to the reviewers, but even now there's no option officially available in the web shop. Most centrally mounted, those screwed to the support plate, apparently cannot be used due to missing holes and strengthening on the frame. Same applies for typical rear triangle beams mounted models, due to carbon frame, no mountpoints, and "single" angular arm/beam, without the horizontal one typically used. That leaves us with either pedal/crank mounted ones, typically requiring hand-operation, or rear hub bolt mounted one, typically allowing leg-operation, but quite a few of these actually require a couple of mountpoints in a small even triangular fashion, for which by the look of it there are no extra holes in the frame. Regardless, bolt mounted kickstand could require users to disassemble the rear wheel, potentially impacting tension of the belt, or am I wrong here? BTW. Can you link that stand? Potential buyers may be interested in getting those since the manufacturer is not yet providing any option directly...
You've recently reviewed nearly-half-this-price Engwe P20, which is supposedly 18.5kg. Is the weight difference between that one and this noticeable and in your opinion worthy of the price difference? Of course, product price worthiness is in the eyes of the target potential customers, and for some any kg less is worth it, regardless of the final MSRP or usability impacts, but given your experience with the many 20" foldables you've had tested, from heavy ones clad in 4" tires to similarly more city oriented 1.75" light ones, how do you find this compared to the competition?
Potentially, if this is light enough, you could use regular scales and, you know, weigh yourself, then do the same whilst holding the bike, then subtract first...
Strange I'm sure it will appear on their website soon that you can order them as an add-on. Makes no sense for them to not offer them, I think talking to them they just don't have stock of somethings and this unit I have is a pre-release model. So no official kickstand or extras included.
@Techtablets it's not that strange... they haven't had one developed from the get-go or haven't validated 3rd party ones because most solutions out there are mountable to the support for mid-located options, which AFAIK is not supported on this frame, or to the lower/horizontal beam of the rear triangle, which this frame lacks altogether. Some 3rd party ones require full rear wheel disassembly and replacement of the bolts and that may be a problem for a lot of their customers especially given it's a belt-driven design where tension needs to be kept at correct levels. Plus, adding the kickstand or any stand at all would further dilute their PR hopes for the lightness focused design. You know, if carbon one weighs at 15-16kg when equipped the same as the approximately 18kg model that comes with all those components in the box/on the bike from factory and you need to pay between 150% and 200% the slightly heavier one's price, they might lose traction amongst the general public... so it's better PR-wise to claim better weight sans everything to distance further from both own cheaper models and competition, to vaguely promise usability components to arrive in the future as they can always paint it as their continuous thorough testing of potential solutions for their customers safety whilst still selling devices sans such components, to sell a device with "starting subscription contract" as reviewers may skip digging deeper and may be gladly promoting the inclusion of a safety-net in the form of app integrated GPS tracking without realising such feature may be free for only a limited period of time (isn't it 1y or 2y here, and not for life? afterwards, the tracking feature will require an additional paid subscription...)... it's the typical almost corporate speak, same as the purpoted range estimates or gradient promises. We're already very much accustomed to most of those terms... at least in your tests we can kind of get more realistic range verifications/estimates you typically give having ridden the thing on a more or less the same route, or gradient support through your hill climb test, followed by braking performance down the same road...
I’d be interested in the weight without kickstand as I don’t want one and without the rear light and bracket as I have a Garmin Varia
Now it's 1999€ with some store discount, and after that it's 2999€ 😮
Feels like a scam for that price.
Please note that I saw in the ADO group that the actual weight of this bike is 15.3 kg, which is 3 kg heavier than the advertised 12.5 kg. I admit that it is a beautiful bike, but it does deceive consumers in terms of weight.
$2200, I'm not feelin' it
Carbon fiber so it was always going to push the price up a lot. The Air 20 Pro is better overall if you don’t mind it being 6 kilo’s heavier.
@@Techtablets Thanks! Love your reviews btw, thorough and to the point
yea those prices are getting out of hand. For this price I'd rather get a Brompton P line.
Too much money for this even if it is carbon.
@@tinetannies4637 Thank you
They should have called this the Titan.
Really? Well it's carbon fiber frame so Carbon suits 100% Titan would be more like a big power model to me.
Thanks for the review. ADO said they didn't include a kickstand because it would compromise the carbon frame. Do you know if they are ok with your kickstand? I would love one for the one I ordered, which is just like the one you reviewed. Any thoughts on this?
I’m sure they aren’t but it was not bolted onto the frame at least. I got it from Amazon it’s a kids bike stand.
@@Techtablets I appreciate your response. I would love to know how you install it without touching the frame.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for watching!
Looks like carbo model x
this or Fiido X?
I prefer this one.
I bought Ado Carbon and I will be its user, could you provide a link to the store where you bought a bicycle kickstand for this model.
What are you on about. You can buy those everywhere. Ado also sells a kickstand, but it's 60 EUR and ackwardly fitted on the pedal-crank. If you really bought one you should know this and just go to their web-page maybe? 🙃
@@tip0019 Dear friend, I know about all this very well, I am up to date with everything about Ado Carbon and on what is happening on ADO website, but on our Ado Carbon Facebook group this new kickstand from ADO is very badly evaluated, that's why I'm looking for another competitive kickstand
Dear friend, I know exactly what is going on in the world of Ado Carbon, I also know that the new kickstand is offered in the Ado online store but it is very poorly rated on our Ado Carbon Facebook Group, hence, that's why I'm looking for a competitive solution.
Pls bro pixel 8 pro Vs X100 Ultra
I don’t have the Pixel 8 Pro
First
Thanks!
@@Techtablets welcome Sir
too expensive, thats why i build them diy
You build them yourself? Now that's cool!
I wouldnt buy such a expensive bike in Denia, is already stolen.
You have to be very careful with them.
@@Techtablets beware of the spaniards!
Don't review china ebike bro they are bad 😢
Many good ones!
Decathlon, el corte inglés are china rebranded
I'd say the same for many US manufactured ones... worse yet, often most do not even offer any worldwide shipping, just continental North America. At least chinese ones can get delivered to most if not all regions ;)
@@javiercuadrado5430 Casi todo es de china
@@marcin_karwinski Very true, but I do ride a Trek and no issues at all.
Hey Techbro, if you are interested in a test idea. Since Samsung is not fulfilling my dream of a Galaxy Mini 5.4" and the completely copied Apple Watch Ultra 😅, I wanted to ask you if you could do a whole day trip with the new Galaxy Watch Ultra and the Apple Watch Ultra 2.
Smartwatch without a smartphone ☝🏽 digital detox ☝🏽🤔😱
Among other things, I would be interested to know whether the Apple Watch Ultra can be connected to Bluetooth and the car radio. Of course there are many car radios 😅
Day trip example,
Shipping day meeting up with friends:
of course buy EVERYTHING using the smartwatches,
workout in the morning, trip through a city with sat nav, lunch, dinner, maybe an evening cocktail 🍸 etc. you'll come up with something.🥳 essiert bist eine Test idea. Since Samsung is not fulfilling my dream of a Galaxy Mini 5.4" and the completely copied Apple Watch Ultra 😅, I wanted to ask you if you could do a whole day trip with the new Galaxy Watch Ultra and the Apple Watch Ultra 2.
Smartwatch without a smartphone ☝🏽 digital detox ☝🏽🤔😱
Among other things, I would be interested to know whether the Apple Watch Ultra can be connected to Bluetooth and the car radio. Of course there are many car radios 😅
Day trip example,
Shipping day meeting up with friends:
of course buy EVERYTHING using the smartwatches,
workout in the morning, trip through a city with sat nav, lunch, dinner, maybe an evening cocktail 🍸 etc. you'll come up with something.🥳
Sounds like a good idea but expensive for me to buy them both and commit time to that with unknow views this late after release.
okay thanks for answer.
God bless you
Thanks for the suggest however