Top 6 Sports Car Bargains: How to Have Your New Sports Car Cake & Eat It Too!
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The thing you missed with the Golf R is that it's a bargain Audi S3.
Yeah. When compared option-for-option there is a $4,000 difference between the GTI, R & S3. It makes sense from an overall corporate pricing structure. What makes me laugh is people still pay as much for an Eos as a new R.
LOL! I love the “Antiques Roadshow” sound effect when you show the money saved.
I'm really not a car guy, other than watching the old UK top gear, but just the passion that these guys have for cars is amazing and the chemistry they have on screen is great. Love the channel. Keep up the great work!
I truly do enjoy yalls videos!! keep it up guys
I agree with Nathan on the Golfs. I'd pay more for the R.
Good GTR alternative is a 997.2 Turbo. Followed a 2010 (wasn't easy) through Saturday AM traffic. It moved like a fish and accelerated like a rocket ship. Nice ones are $80K quickly on their way to $70K. Available in manual and the warp speed PDK. CarMax & Porsche sell them with extended warranty and they are more reliable than the Nissan.
We live in a great time for cars!
fantastic comparison, great video overall. Between you guys and everyday driver I just can't get enough of modern cars!!
Great video you guys earned my sub.
Saving money on the purchase is a foolish notion. The most expensive part of owning a car is depreciation.. And a Corvette will depreciate less than an expensive Camaro.... Same goes for the Mustang GT v Shelby, Viper vs Hellcat.
They should have looked at depreciation of these cars over a 10 year period to figure total ownership costs.
U less you plan on owning it until the engine goes.
you guys improved through the years. no longer corny. keep it up!
I appreciate the high quality video👌
The beauty of this wonderful video is the presentation of all these fabulous cars.
The conclusions are much less important.
In Canada at least, the GTi is only a bargain compared to the R if you don't get the performance trim. The performance trim is only $2k less than the R for the 4 door
Winners are on the right
Camaro vs Corvette
M4 vs M2
Golf R vs Golf GTI
STI vs WRX
Mustang GT vs Shelby GT350R
Nismo vs GT-R
Hellcat vs Viper
Brey Rosario thank you 🔥
What about "Top 5 Concept cars we want to see make it to production?"
That's a good one
make it a top 10 and you're golden
Gangrel115 the Toyota ft 1, hopefully the next supra
Zio Lan It would be wonderful to see the next supra, but with all of the regulations, they will never make another mk4 supra. The over engineered the shit out of the mk4 even with the gentleman's agreement. They're out to just make money now, sadly.
Using the last weekends rebates and dealer discounts I got a huge bargain, a 2016 C7 Z06 2LZ with a $93k MSRP for $76,150.
Shit, that's a good deal! Have fun with it :)
nice grab!
The Car Crazy Guy -scterka- Did you know about that deal coming up beforehand or were you just in the right place at the right time? I'm buying a C7 next year but I'm in no rush. I can wait if I know a better deal in coming up.
the Teknician I know a Chevy salesman who told me to wait until the first of the month (9/1). He said most likely they were going to give a 10% rebate. The dealers really never know until Chevy announces the incentives. His advice ended up being correct.
or end of the month or quarter to get extra major discount as each dealer needs to meet a sales criteria
I'm obviously biased, but the Hellcat "bargain" should have been the 6.4 scat pack which has an savings of almost $30K for the same car and 500HP.
krsimpson89 I think a better comparison would be STR 392 vs Hellcat
@@CZcamsIsAss 6.4=392
@@qward2174 no it's called the srt 392 its the trim level
You make living in Colorado fun!!!!! Nice job, guys!!!
the new GTR isn't a bargain anymore
I don't think you ever could've called it a "bargain", in all fairness lol
Samuraisahsah the first year it came out it was.
True but it's not like it's over priced. It's still competitive in it's price range.
Yeah it is, 100k you get a car that is faster than a 458 or (Old) R8 V10.
dunno, now theres cars quicker in the same price range but the fact that a 10 year old car can still be good in that range, man thats one hell of an engineering feat. cant wait for r36
Nice video guys! I'd be interested to hear your opinions on the Challenger/Charger Scat Pack vs the SRT 392. That seems to be a big one. As a Scat Pack owner, I have mixed opinions as I believe it depends what you want out of the car but the Scat Pack is undeniably a great value.
Great list
Hello from down under Australia. Another entertaining video guys.
Yes it's true, less really is more!
Did you actually say VW charges it's customers 13K USD to wire up a rear differential and glue an R to the back? That's just ludicrous!
Keep up the entertaining and informative videos, and above all, keep having fun.
I'd go for the GT350 instead of the Mustang GT because of 1. Awesomeness (in both design and SOUND) 2. POWAH 3. Track day with dad's Focus RS
Track days*
Interesting vlog! I would like to see a video(s) on reliability. Maybe just a few minutes a week given the most-reliable and the least-reliable.
Although I've enjoyed other videos from this channel, my palm was firmly glued to my forehead for most of this video.
A) Who cross shops a performance oriented pony bro-maro vs base model grand tourer vette?
B) The obvious choice for high performance small bimmer on a budget is the 235i M coupe
C) FWD GTI vs AWD faster GTI...if the AWD is the selling point, the budget pick is WRX, especially since you are a fan of it as is.
D) The GT350 is more than just a GT with a different motor. Completely different body work and CF wheels also come to mind. But mustang GT is a fair compromise especially given the markups on GT350's, although strong demand might make it possible to buy the Shelby, drive it, and sell it at a smaller loss than the more common place and faster depreciating 5.0's.
E) As some have mentioned, if you're talking Challenger bargains, the Scat Pack is the sweet spot and not far down on the badass scale compared to Hellcat. The viper though is a radically different car designed for a different experience.
F) The 2017 GTR is noticeably more comfortable and luxurious and the NISMO is a bone crunching track special. I agree the significant price jump isn't well justified but one is a potential daily driver/"my only car" while the other is a 2nd or 3rd vehicle.
Great concept here. As a GTI owner, I actually see the value Golf R and would get one if had the extra cash. I don't see much snow here, so I don't really need the AWD of the R. I also don't track my car.
That detail is amazing. What kind of camera was used to shoot this?
I'd agree with everything except the mustang gt and GT350. I'd pay the extra 20g any day of the week for the engine, brakes, magnetic ride, wheels, gear box, interior, exhaust system and the wider lower( cooler looking body). Also the resale value on the shelby would be MUCH better down the road. PS im looking forward to some new F150 Raptor videos when you get the opportunity!
GT350 or dont' do it. I priced out an '18 standard gt, was $52k... and will probably be worth 30k after 24-36 months... no thanks!!! atleast the GT350 will hold it's value (if you can find one)
Love the show. Guys, please either repeat the car model or put it up on the screen so we can keep it in mind or reference it.
Dodge Challenger all day any day...a beast of a car. Keep up the great work TFL crew!
It’s ugly.
I bought a 2016 wrx over an sti and don't regret my decision at all
That's a natural cycle with car manufacturers, make a car, keep making it bigger and more luxurious, then have to backfill with a new "basic" model that fills the now too big and expensive bloated ex-basic car. The 1 series replaced the 3, and now it's the 2 and 4 series for BMW. Even Toyota did it with the Yaris, Tercel, Corolla lines. The new Corolla is huge compared to what it used to be. Even the new Civic... You would think it was an Accord with the design and size it is now.
Let me fix your video. I previously owned the 15 GT with Performance Pack. I now own a GT350 with Track Pack. The price difference was important enough to me (350 was top of my budget) to almost turn down the 350. After buying, zero regrets! The GTPP is a great, fun car. But the FPC Voodoo engine (I haven't had a single issue and neither have several other owners I've talked to) is worth the upgrade alone. I don't have to be ringing out on track to enjoy. First three gears shifting between even mid-ranges is unlike any other Mustang. I won't even start on the suspension differences. If you can get a 350 for the MSRP, don't hesitate because the car is more than worth the price difference of GT. Pure sports car driving experience. GT behaves like a muscle car.
awesome video
What're y'all talking about? Me and my buddy both purchased used GTRs with 35-40k miles on them about a year and a half ago and they both drive phenomenally. No problems whatsoever with the transmissions or gear boxes. It was probably one of the best decision I've ever made to buy a used 2013 GTR instead of an overpriced brand new one.
I even saw a 2016 with like 8k miles for 77k!
thanks guys
WRX: Got!
M2: Getting!
*skipped the STi on purpose for the exact reasons they stated!👌👍
ALT3REDB3AST get the M2 and take me for a ride, please
As a Mustang enthusiast, if I was able to afford the GT350 I would do so in a heartbeat. The Mustang GT PP is a great package though so I say that's a good bargain. The Golf GTI is also a hell of a bargain simply because the Golf R is just not that impressive, other than it's 4wd. Also according to most people, the GTI is also a lot more fun. When it comes to the WRX, it also comes down to what you can afford. I know most WRX owners would have opted for the Sti have they being able to afford it. With that being said, the WRX is one hell of a bargain, because it's pretty much 90% of an Sti. The one you totally missed has got to be the Viper. The Viper is a totally different beast and it does not compare to the Hellcat. A much better comparison should have been the Hellcat as compared to the Scat Pack instead.
You didn't think of a Boss 302 at the time
I've been eyeing up the R35 GTR.
I love the Dodge Viper ACR. I'm too tall for it though and too poor.
I had a Mustang GT Premium, with less than 2 years and 25,000 miles on it, I could only get $21.000 on trade in(at multiple dealerships). I always admired each Shelby I seen on the road and at car shows. The Shelby GT350, outperforms the Mustang GT in every aspect, especially the resale value and limited production factor. I stopped trying to have a Shelby with the Mustang GT, and finally stepped up and got a Shelby GT350. I love Mustangs, but the truth is no body I ever meet, that had a Shelby GT350, is looking at any Mustang GT, and stating I wish I had brought that instead. Buy the real deal and stay happy.
Yep, if you can afford the Shelby, buy the Shelby.
I just sold my 15 WRX FA20 to GIRL. she loves it - I didn't like the rev-hangs and low power. I'm stepping up to an STI - which is what I should have got in the first place. The 2019 STI's will go up in demand once the new generation 2021 STI comes out. People will be nostalgic for the old school EJ25 and unequal exhaust. Analog Dreams.
I own a golf 7 r and it’s way different from the standard gti
Much faster
4motion 4 wheel drive
Better tuned engine with better sound
You are getting your money worth with the R👍😎
Wow, guess I was really lucky. Just bought a 2010 GTR with 84,000 miles on it and it runs perfect. Had intake and exhaust mods already done. I added 1300 cc injectors and a new tune via a COBB ACCESS PORT and it's putting down 565 HP at the wheels. Guess my GTR was pre-owned by a bunch of grandma's.
Yeah kind of surprised with the M4 I was lookin at one a few years ago and was surprised that the M2 is so close but cheaper. If you aren’t a tall person then the M2 is the better deal.
2016 genesis coupe 3.8 rspec... 350hp..under 30k should of been on the list...so underated....
Denny Medeiros it’s a Hyundai lol 😂
You need to see 2019 Genesis G70
2017 Infiniti Q60?
Would have to disagree with the WRX especially if you're going to take it to the track. The transmission alone is worth the money for the durability and a component you could never match in the after market. Throw in the bigger brakes, better steering rack, better suspension and you have a pretty capable track car. The real bargain is the base model STi. They can be bought for right around invoice these days. Yes the motor is old but it still holds it's own against the competition. Guys you need to run the STi on your track for comparison. In many track test it has beat the Golf R.
Steve C yeah and if I was going to get the WRX, I would have got the premium which was almost 31k but I got the base STI for 34k. Only a 3k difference for a stiffer car on a better drivetrain.
Subaterds are Still JUNK!!!
I am almost certaint this is the 1st time anyone suggested to get the mustang gt over the GT350. That engine, the suspension, the tremec gearbox all superior over the standard GT. Sorry guys, that's crazy talk.
Assuming the driver is experienced (and not a clown), driving them equally hard on a mix of track and street diet, I think the GT350 would be the better survivor.
If you spec out a GTI with all the options that come standard on the Golf R, the difference is far less than $14K So yea if you are going for the base trim model GTI I would agree, but if you are going for all the options on a GTI, then hell yes go for the Golf R.
Australia price difference is 10k aud . base golf gti 41,990 / golf r 51,990
Hey guys! Love your videos, but I hate it when you keep cutting to that second camera. It's distracting and makes no sense to me - if someone is talking to me, I want to see them head on. Just my opinion😀
I was gonna say the same. I don't know why, but every time the camera changed back and forth, it made me more and more tempted to put my Karambit through my computer screen.
Look at the car...
i think it's just so the viewers don't get bored... twenty minutes of nothing but head on is just too static.
It would've been cool to see an Accord Coupe v6 6mt in comparison to the Civic Type R. New you can find the Accord is nearly 10k cheaper. And lightly used versions you can see nearly a 15k difference. Sure the accord is a bit heavier, but you get a 6 speed manual with identical power that you can still crack Vtec all around the track or down your back roads. 280hp in the accord vs the 305hp from the civic isn't a noticeable difference when you're looking to daily drive something fun. You'd probably find the Accord to be more comfortable to ride in and the exterior fake vents and splitters on the new type R has been controversial to some and you wouldn't have that on the Accord. Food for thought.
Dude with the hat remind me of that eunuch off Game of thrones Varys. The sound of his voice and his mannerisms and what not.
Can you guys do M3/4 vs C63 comparison video?
Having grown up in the 60s Muscle Car era, I developed "gear head" and have used accelleration and velocity treatments ever since. Just cremate me and put my ashes in a blown differential to quiet the gears.
a 2016 viper is definitely worth the 25,000 more then a hellcat considering its the last yearand also for the design and history
It kills just about anything on the track.
Rico Fresh it kills basically everything on the track
Don't get a new one, get a used 2013 for even cheaper and a higher trim level.
DoobieR it also kills everyone behind the wheel lol.
They could have also mentioned the jaguar F-type. the base V6 configuration is over 40 grand cheaper than the cheapest V8 configuration and some people would even argue that the V6, despite having significantly less horsepower, is still fun to drive, more comfortable, and better to use as an everyday sports coupe. Even the top of the range V6 model is 13 grand less than the V8.
I disagreed on Camaro and M2. Owning and driving a Corvette is much different than a Camaro. Owning a M4 is much different than a M2, M4 is a much larger and more luxury car. One buys a cheaper car because one couldn't afford more. One would not settle or less on one's desire.
That B camera is absolutely pointless
When is Roman going back to Prague for another special? That was a very interesting series....
Why not mentioning the Chevy SS with manual trans? Best value EVER! GM offered the 2016, I bought, for 20% Off MRSP the past July. You MUST make a review of this Aussie GM sleeper!
The base GTI is a good value. But unfair comparison. Loaded 2017 GTI Autobahn: $37,500. Loaded 2017 Golf R: $41,500. The R has the same options except sunroof. An R can also take advantage of the power from a tune vs. GTI. Difference of $4K but it gives the ability to own a sub-4 second car. It also has a better resale value and is made in Germany.
For reference a loaded STi, RS & (late) Evo $41K but don't feature a DCT, adaptive cruise control or usable adaptive suspension. A similar S3 is $46K. So it's a bargain.
Bought the bmw 428i coupe luxury edition. Better than my old golf 6 gti...100%!
Wait for the mustang, on the Shelby are you talking about the Shelby GT 350 or 350R?
Not many people know that in America, we have a second currency: the current rate of a used Jeep
Example: my current car cost about half a Jeep, but with maintenance I'm just about at one full Jeep
Sounds like the Jeep Trackhawk will be the savior of the hellcat engine. Personally I think it looks better than the challenger, weights about the same and with the AWD system will get off the line much better.
You guys should've done the gt 350 vs 350r because I would trade in my gt for a 350 in a heartbeat.
Alot of people seem not to understand the premise of this video. They are not saying that the cheaper car is better in performance. They're saying that the expensive cars are not worth 10k or 20k more. And I completely agree with them. 20k is alot of money and you can get another daily drive car while also having a sport car.
In Australia they cost more because of luxury car tax 33% slugged on a r35 gtr , adds $35000 to the price
Ben Chesterman damn that's painful
Your fate if America elected Bernie sanders luxury car tax on cars . Canada have 5% luxury car tax now because a left are in control
forgot to add 5% tariffs , 10% gst ' 3% stamp duty = $65000 in tax out the door
I would pay more for the Golf R. In my opinion they dont fit in this list like all the other cars. Thanks for the video.
Did Al Oppenheiser really say the Camaro SS goes around the track faster than the Corvette on the track?? Anyone have the link or video of this?
+MaSSaCr3Vu here you go: czcams.com/video/MLPvxA131t0/video.html
Best car to buy for performance is the 2018 camaro zl1
sti has a much better awd setup than the wrx. helical front and torsen rear. compared to open diffs all round on the wrx. dccd center in the sti vs the viscous center in the wrx.
The price difference between the GTI and the R is even bigger right now because VW is big time discounting the GTI and not the R.
Telling people a Mustang GT offers almost the same experience as the Shelby GT350 would be like me telling people my Carrera S is just like a GT3 RS - entirely false. Also one of the great things about the GT350 is it's reliability, track tested in competition before it was even released, something you don't see too often. Do some research before you make silly statements.
Nick H I don't think the gap between a gt350 and GT is as big as a carrera. S and GT3 RS. that's like a hundred HP difference.
there's a 90 horsepower difference between the Gt350 and the GT, GT350's engine is a high revving flat plane crank V8 which is also much more responsive than Coyote 5.0. Not to mention it has handling and track potential that is 100x times better than a rolly polly GT. GT350 is the equivilant of a GT3 as a GT would be a carrera S, GT350R would= GT3 RS. This video is such stupidity and i doubt they have even driven the GT350, its an sports car while the GT is just a fast pony car.
Hell Hell you can throw bolt ons on the 5.0 and have a faster car than a gt350 I feel like your just a fan boy standing behind a car just because it says "Shelby".
Dodge 318 Cummings, not the case. Unless you've driven it yourself, you just can't understand. I've owned 4 coyotes, some modded. Bolt ons are nice and yeah can exceed power of the Shelby, but they'll never feel or sound exotic like the Shelby. Actually, the power is the least significant difference in the two. It's all of the other things like suspension, transmission, etc. but the voodoo is worth the money alone, you just can't replicate experience in my opinion. Forget the name, it's just a better car from Ford Performance compared to the Mustang GT.
Siggy550 Freud it's not worth the money in my eyes someone can get a used newer GT 5.0 for $25,000-$30,000 and do whatever they want with it.
You didn't mention the GT350 transmission is much better than in the GT
I thought they stopped making the Viper years ago. I've never heard anyone other than you just now even talk about it.
I like the part about reports of reliability of the mustang. Wouldn't it be a lot more surprising if someone had a Ford that didn't fall apart?
The BMW is the LS Addition. "Lease Special"
Being a VW guy whos owned 2 mk4 gti's and currently 1 is his daily, I can attest to the difference. My boss just paid 12gs for a mk4 r32of the same year as mine and its worth every single penny! Granted it was a little different being the 6cyl engine vs my 1.8t but the awd for me, a dub owner and lover, is worth it. That being said I would never buy a mk7. Not for the outrageous price they are charging for new mk7's. For that I would rather get a mk4 supra or even a Porsche used and still have money left over for mods and fixer upper stuff. :)
Unless you've owned a Porsche, don't talk about money left over..LOL
V2 CTS-V didn't make the list? What a shame. Essentially a luxury sleeper with a detuned ZR1 motor.
The leon cupra is a bargain compared to the golf r. Same engine and more excitement in the drive.
The Golf Gti and Golf R are completely different cars
America is 13k usd , Australia is 10k aud difference , Golf r manual is 1k more than a wrx sti
"BMW, sure it's cheap to drive, only the wealthy can repair it though." "We here a BMW pride ourselves on our customers having more money than sense"
I’d be more interested in getting a Hellcat if it has AWD
This GTI/ Golf R debate is such a pain, look I would pay more for the Golf R all day long for more reasons than the more power. The 4-Motion AWD is one of the best in the business hands down, the other things to think about is, I don't want the "boy racer" looks of the GTI, its too much, too flasher where the Golf R has class because it doesn't look the part. Biggest thing is I can buy a golf R, spend about $5-$8k more with APR and have it approved through VW Credit because its tuned at most dealers and now I have a car that's competing with the likes of GTR's and and even RS families. And that's out of a 4 cylinder. We are talking 450hp plus. In a car that runs 4.7's to 60 stock.
Awd is just as valuable in Florida as it is in the snow states.
the used gtr market is a little shady imo.
How about any M3 from 2005 and all the way back to 1990. Personally if I had the money I wouldn't blow it on a new m2 but a very clean e46 m3
2016 scat pack vs SRT 392. Same engine, same power, same everything besides badging, suspension, and SRT bonuses.
no brembos 4 piston brakes
TFL what about a Focus RS?
VERY GOOD.
What bike is that in the beginning?
I agree with other commenters. These top 5 are interesting every now and then, but stick to what you do best: car reviews.
Him and jeeps 😂😂
Sports car and sporty cars are two different things. I wish I never sold my Alfa Romeo spider. That's a SPORTS car that can be had for a song. Like most great things, completely undervalued in America.
I'm thinking of getting a new car. Trying to decide I'm a 6 foot guy I'm thinking Mustang, Challenger, or Camaro. I like Mustang but not a fan of interior I love Challenger and Camaro interior not a fan of the exterior. What would y'all recommend?
+anthony edwards if you want a sports car get the Camaro. If you want a muscle car get the Challenger and if you want to split the difference between the two get a Mustang!
Challenger trust me at 6ft you won't be all that comfortable on long rides in the other to
Yea I rented a mustang it was cool but took me some time to get used to the tight space.
I had one the lack of space put me off of two doors more of a sports sedan kind of guy now. Still great performance and better room
anthony edwards i know it's months later, but here is my opinion... I am 6'2 and the challenger has the most space, i fit in the back lol. But camaro is my favorite.
Instead, I bought a (low mileage) 2015 BMW M235i with the M Performance Exhaust and paid extra to have the Dinan Tune Stage 1 kit installed. It's as fast as a Mustang GT and a lot more classy and fun to drive.
This is a video with the 2015 M235i. czcams.com/video/RPn8MGLtwGY/video.html
That Chevy looks dam sexy behind you guys especially with the checkard floor
I own a Yugo with a 427 you should see it go. I bought it for a total of - $1,000.00 I was paid to take it off the seller's hands.
These guys are very real........