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Intel CPUs were at one point the go-to for nearly every market segment, with powerful products for gamers, datacenters, and content creators alike. AMD has dethroned them, and that’s led to some strangely cheap products popping up on Ebay… like this 28 core Xeon.
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0:00 Intro
0:55 Backstory
1:42 The server hardware cycle
2:46 Our CPU
3:01 Server CPU "classes"
5:18 Summary so far
5:58 Installation begins
6:08 C621 Motherboards
6:37 Socket design and coolers
7:20 gaming
8:30 Clock speeds and per-core boosting
9:08 Linus has a eureka
10:04 What this CPU isn't good for
10:43 What this CPU IS good for - Věda a technologie
Imagine a CPU costing as much as a doctors visit in the USA.
hi hipyo
I take it you do not live in the US
😱😱😹😹😂😹😂😹
My co-pay was 14$ yesterday 😎😎😎
I don't get where people get the idea that people do not get coverage in the US, i went to a hospital recently and it cost me 100$ with a public insurance plan and we have things like Medicare and Medicaid for people that qualify for them.
Thanks for the shout out Linus! Those refurb Xeons are our 'bread and butter'
Keep up the good work guys. I did a 'double take' when I heard your name. Had 3 + complete servers from you guys and your 'warehouse guy' Marcus is a true gent.
Aye look!
BH won't like this comment lol
U guys are legit now :P
Hadn't heard of you, might be placing an order by the end of the day!
"It uses a non graphical interface BIOS"
"You mean ... a normal BIOS?"
I think he means a cli/terminal bios; rather the the gui’s with something like a gaming motherboard
@@mohammedaayanpathan no, it's just...bios. It doesn't use cli, but uses gui just not modern
What's UEFI, amirite?
@@sandordugalin8951 lmao I wrote the comment before I watched the video
@@manfrom20xx13 i mean aren't cli's just text based guis?
My friend's dad runs a metal recycling factory, and when a nearby HP facility closed down back in 2016, they dumped all of their server CPUs and RAM to the recycling factory. We had access to hundreds of Haswell & Broadwell Xeon E3 & E5 CPUs FOR FREE. Many of them were engineering samples. (Some of those broadwell-e xeon models had never been released by Intel). We felt like the luckiest nerds on the planet. I've been running a 22c 44t Xeon with 128gb DDR4 RDIMM RAM ever since.
That's sick I was running a x99 board and 2650v3 with 24gb of ram for a hot second until both of my x99 boards died (supermicro and ASRock fatality) and I gave up on the x99 platform for now..
Damn.
@@yoda5090 Windows or Linux CPU microcode 'update' ?
The number of PC's I'd build for fun if I had access to such... POWER!
@@joefish6091 this might be why it like stopped working. My bro was using it and then it just like froze up and crashed... Same thing happened with my x99 supermicro board shortly after I replaced the board. This would explain why this happened. Such fucking bullshit. I waisted 10 hours trying to trouble shoot and I ruled the mobo to be dead... Lol. I'll have to get a retail chip and test it.
buy high, sell low
this is the way
How did you comment 7 minutes ago
Stonks
HOW
7min ago? Wow
When he said about skipping the sponsors: *SHIT HE’S ONTO US*
Soon Linus will invent a code that makes you watch his sponsor segment
Yes we know he will…
Linus Media Group surely looks into the statistics of their videos, you can see when users skip forward im pretty sure they will start randomize sponsorships cause they finance themselves back from sponsors
I was actually skipping when i heard "risk of you ski..." and so I can back and rewatched the thing
@@webkahlifa wait how
Linus in CSGO “Why is our frame-rate climbing?”
CSGO “One less bot to run, two less bots to run, three less bots...”
Gaming would probably be better if you disable hyperthreading, so all the remaining threads are higher performance and there's fewer of them for the game to be bouncing around between.
I came to say this with utmost urgency, but in my heart, I knew it was already said by someone :(
When your college degree was cheaper then a CPU 😂
Well college degree is worth more than this whole 🌍
Hey Rainy
must be non us
Should have spent more on the college degree if you cant still differentiate between 'than' and 'then'
Than* but yes absolutely
Linus: "like the risk I take... "
Me: "When telling me about your sponsor?"
Linus: "of you skipping this message from our sponsor"
Me: "Damn, you are good"
Same, he got me for real.
And I’m this close to destroying you
same here
1:15 Missed an opportunity to say something like "AMD has more cache for less cash."
7:10 That made me feel old. My (I mean our family's) first computer, whilst also having a normal "non user-friendly" BIOS, still required the use of jumpers to set the CPU bus speed, multiplier and voltage.
Vin diesel : did you say family?
I mean thats just too old computer. I was using computers like 15+ years and even in that time i did not encounter those computers that needed jumper move to 'unlock' cpu voltage or multiplier. Are you sure that those were not some 'brand computers', because that kind of computers may have 'brand specific' setup.
@SteelRodent thats just too old :)
i was in 3rd grade elementary school in 97, not till 2002 maybe (i forgot) i got my first PC, some older computers i did saw and use, the oldest i encountered were produced in my town, and they were console based only, we were using them in 6th grade i think in elementary school. Other things older from 2000 that i used were consoles for games (sega, nintendo, PlayStation 1) :)
@@milosstojanovic4623 386, 486, Pentium, AMD k6, k6-2 and -3. It was normal to have to set the CPU speed, voltage and such with jumpers on the motherboard. It was not "too old" 30 years ago. The Pentium was released in '93.
Just like the "Old non-userfriendly BIOS" in the video it was just normal back then.
Linus: "Like the risk I take, of you skipping this me-"
Me: *Skips 20 seconds*
Skip 15 seconds, so L + Right Cursor Key, and you land pretty much exactly at the end of the intro
Me to linus:- congratulations you have played yourself.
I like the intro music so I skip only 10 seconds
KINGU CRIMSON
@@jayhill2193 Set your youtube FF to 5 seconds. 3 taps, and you're done.
Linus never fails to make a smooth transition into the sponsor 😭
Wannabe Justin Y
Yess
you're everywhere 😭😭😭
@@Muscleman8562 i just saw in another comment section, literally stop
I never fail to see you too
"Going with the threadripper thermal paste application..."
Intel Chip: ";_;"
He means that he applies the thermal paste like threadripper chips since they are so big.
is humor beyond a @@dhoome1234ify ... ? 🤔
9:20 Level of Detail is usually calculated by CPUs in a sequential manner, which is why games like Flight Simulator perform so terribly. If it didn't need to do that, it could theoretically run amazing.
I think there's ways or theories on how to parallelize it (which would theoretically make framerates freaking skyrocket for most games), but I don't think anyone has properly done it yet.
its going to be done by some kid coming out of university with fresh eyes lol
11:58 "Cue-pon codes"
_Screaming Madison noises._
Corsair iCUE-pon
Bargain Hardware in the UK getting a shout out. My 'go to' place for used enterprise. Great work guys getting the 'Linus' recognition!
Thanks Daniel, we appreciate it :)
daaaaaaaaaaaaang we got the real bargain hardware here ay
@@BargainhardwareCoUkgoogleplus Bargain Hardware UK Is always my goto for Stuff like that.
Lots of hardware to choose from and to have fun with.
Linus: "Like the risk I take that you'll skip this ad.."
Me: *Immediately double taps screen to skip ad*
you got my conscience with the "risk skipping" part :-) had to watch it
The fact that the tech writers aren't familiar with traditional BIOS interface really makes me feel old
7:05 "You young whipper snapper kids might not be familiar with navigating those"
laughs in ThinkPad T430
Laughs in Linux install
Every Asus computer and laptop I have used (ranging from 2007 to 2015) has the same American Megatrends Aptio UI. Unfortunately functionality is often quite limited, but they do the main things like selecting boot disks.
Laughs in LGR.
Wow almost 2 weeks without a compelling video to watch.
This is the good stuff.
Sick!!! I'm super happy with my 1680 V2 build, but looking for a V4 soon, still around $700. Hope to find a Threadripper for a decent price one day.
"You can tell it's a square ILM because it's more square" thanks for clarifying that Linus
When you started having the massive performance dips I was hoping you were going to try swapping out the GPU for an AMD one to see if the issues were related to Nvidia's software scheduler and the high thread count/low speed system.
AFAIK the difference wouldn't suddenly make it run well
This (and the recent video about 7980X) is very interesting to me since these could be very well used for some engineering and scientific computing. The problem is that with my experience, I find it hard to precisely estimate the horsepower per dollar value vs 5950X or 3960X. I know that this is about getting performance-varying ES or QS, but I'd love to see some benchmarks (also nongaming), and also some estimate costs of the entire system assuming that I don't have any Xeon-compatible parts around.
That segway was so good and real I didn't skip it
I like how it says "SECRET MAN" for quality control at the end credits
7:09 That's the best kind of bios, they are way more responsive too
thats why I like the Asrock Bios, they are somewhat traditional. (I hate the MSI Bios so much)
How do you mean a
Its the best? Dont all bios systems function the same?
@@noba4696 Geez same bro, I do hate MSI bios so bad, So did I swear to not buying any MSI Motherboard now lol
@@ghost_1153 they all function the same but the old ones look better in my opinion and have less bloat.
00:35 Damn, his powers are strong.
I didnt skip.
XD Yeah same here man
Affinity pinning with core on the same cache bus can increase performance by editing the shortcut launcher or service executable. Additionally, ECC ram rank interleaving for specific ring channels may increase performance it as well.
Nice to see Bargain Hardware getting a mention!
We’ve been doing a roaring trade in ex-datacenter kit for years now! :-)
Thanks Donkatron. Happy to have you a customer :)
I am loving these cpu videos they tell me about some killer deals.
Still cant afford one though.
@Sara Riem *NO*
@@darkwingduck7247 *NO*
There a better Xeon CPU for a budget price.
A Xeon with 4 cores 3.5Ghz is around $40 on Ebay. Decent CPU for just exclusively for gaming, however for multitasking like wanting to Record or Streaming is gonna tank it, even my Xeon is a 6 core 2Ghz and it doesn’t get the job done.
@@chronenojysk5107 yeah, the 1650/1660/1680v3's are amazing deals for the performance and overclockability
@@marcusborderlands6177 you tell me. Just got a 1650 v2 for pretty cheap, and it does just great.
I love to see that tech still excites you after all this time!
Love these videos, would love to see more gaming laptop ones as well. Will most likely not build a PC over a laptop ever again.
Im convinced now I watch your vids because of the smooth transitions ads LMAO
Can we just take in the fact that Seasonic is about the one brand I watch the adds for because they are that chill in regards to the advert segment . Way to go Seasonic ! P.s. I also have a PSU from them
I love that seasonic sponsors you guys. I hate that their power supplies seem to be hard to find at MSRP :(.
I don't know how many damn sponsor segments I've watched just because your segue is clever
Thanks Linus, I just checked the website you mentioned in the UK and am now basically going to build a server, I don't need or have use for. That raw computing power in my own house though, it's not needed but I'll some how find a need. I guess I better buy some aircon units aswell. At least my office will be cool in the summer.
Maybe you could re host some of the taken down stuff like wiiware or psvita store or somehow use it to offer support to some of the old games that have shut their servers down
Damn this is the earliest I clicked on a video 1 min ago🔥🔥
Very nice to see a Bargain Hardware shoutout! Love them guys!
You got us there with the Segway. I didn’t skip😹😹
6:45 I cringed so hard when he lifts up with the gpu still locked down... and then nx scene gpu is magically disappeared 👻
Next sentence: "You can see this is a square ILM because the socket is square. If you had a narrow ILM the socket would be narrow." Linus was really on his game.
7:15 actually I'm pretty young and I didn't even know that bios are user-friendly now. My motherboard isn't even that old though.
@@kaldo8907 I mean my motherboard was pretty high tier, but I guess the 7700k is pretty old so the motherboard should have around the same age. Maybe why.
@@kaldo8907 i have a cheap (like really cheap even when came out) 1151 motherboard (h110 i think) and still has that "high end" bios
@@o-hogameplay185 depends on the manufacturer.
@@Exilum check if the motherboard company has issued any BIOS updates for your specific mobo on their website. If its one of the major companies they probably have.
@@sinuslebastian6366 yeah I probably should. Used to the current bios that I don't use too much though so I don't know if I care enough to do so. Thanks anyway.
i never skip a seasonic ad placement, they're pretty good.
Ltt should make a video on which hardware you really need to upgrade in real life situations, and which ones you can get away with using old used components like these.
LoL, yeah I also confused when my workmate said " Why I cant use mouse in this BIOS? " Ahahaha
I love Seasonic and everything they stand for. Love you guys!
Thanks for the great information. But I am concerned about the power consumption when these cpus were used in simple home automation tasks.
I bought the LLTStore water bottle (Black and orange cus dam good colors) and I had to go out during a heat wave in the UK, let me tell ya that bad boy can keep your drink cool for a wile, dam good stuff made me feel happier all day.
"risk of you skipping this message"
*presses arrow right*
"never skimp" sounding like "never skip"
*presses arrow right again*
Imagine an 8180M being used to advance science beyond whats possible for 4 years only to end up as a mineshaft server without enough dedotated wham.
Tfw you're a e5 2696 v2 and all you run is a Minecraft server
Ikr smh my h head mh.
That was such a good segway into the sponsorship message that I didn’t skip it this time
Geez thanks Linus! This video came in at the right time!
I am looking at a Xeon 16C/32T but have no clue how server CPUs performs for gaming & productivity software.
recommend x99 v4s
remember when linus broke one of these things and was having a heart attack about having to crawl back to intel for another one?
IIRC. on high core count CPUs, FPS & frame times are most likely a memory issue if this CPU uses more than 1 NUMA node or it's an issue of core affinity. so either changing memory settings or manually setting applications to only run on 1 memory node or only scale to a couple of the cores should solve it.
i love the part when he shows us the cinebench r23 score at the end
i am guessing around 21,000
2:40 oh, Linus! The SSD hanging from the table held by the SATA cable lol
I definitely skipped the sponsor, no need to worry about it.
Edit: I did just buy a seasonic power supply last week though lol.
Now we need an answer on the cheap first gen epycs that are only ~300$usd on ebay.
I've been running Unraid with a caching server, a media server, a backup server and a gaming VM on an i5 9400f for over a year, I think it's time to upgrade and this is a perfect video
6:05 - Oh yes .. The verge 2.0 .. The X + Diamond ~ 🤣🤣🤣
I've always wondered what's going on with CS/ES, why are there so many of them? Where do they come from? What's Intel's opinion? I personally think it's a really good thing that keeps enthusiast that don't have the money for an official CPU happy while arming some money and reducing waste. This is the things I love from Intel.
wait till maddison sees this and hears Linus say "kjupon code"
I just looked at the exact same ad on eBay for the Intel Xeon Platinum 8176 ES and instead of being $169, it's now $199.
The tension in the room with linus gesticulating with the chip on his hand
The last half of the video I was waiting for Linus to say, "So why did we make this video when there are chips that are better and cheaper out there?!?!?! I dunno"
Threadripper and EPYC make Xeon's irrelevant for most price brackets. You can get 1st or 2nd generation Epyc or Threadripper CPU's pretty cheap on Ebay.
"Taking risks, like the risks I take with you skipping our spon-" *skips*
6:05 For some reason that have me The Verge PC flashbacks...
Same thing with Small Form Factor PCs. like 150 bucks for an i5-8500 6-core ~4GHZ box all day on ebay now. love it
Definitely a large change from when an i7-3770 machine went for $300 a few years ago. Still, the 3770 works fine for what I do with it, so it's not too bad
the way he switched to the sponsor was so smooth i didn’t skip it
11:17 Linus lied to us fun fact a X9DRI-LN4F+ 1.10 is not compatible with v2 cpus i found out the hard way (Bios update wont fix)
Ew
Yeah, early LGA2011 boards don't have Intel ME firmware v8 which is required for v2 Xeons (Ivy Bridge-EP). Intel didn't allow end users to update old boards from ME firmware v7 to v8.
Sometimes it can be quite hard to find which boards support v2 Xeons and which don't.
I have a Lenovo ThinkStation S30 (type 0606) which doesn't support v2 but at least they tell what types support v2 Xeons and which don't (0568, 0569, 0606 are Sandy only while 4351 and 4352 support Ivy). Xeon v2 supported ThinkStation S30's are also quite easy to recognize from pictures because they have front USB 3.0 ports while the older ones don't.
Some systems like HP Z420 Workstation don't have any visible differences so you have to check the ME firmware version in bios
@@Pasi123 So true about the HP, that is why I bought one that already had a v2 CPU in it when I went looking for mine, even if it was a shitty E5-1607v2. It just meant I didn't have to worry about compatibility when I upgraded the CPU to the 2667v2. As a bonus though the system I bought already had 32GB of ram in it.
I know someone who helps maintain a server for his campus, they have a hardware refresh every 5 years. They usually only switch out specific parts, I'm pretty sure they've had their hard drives for a while.
I've got a pair of the 2nd gen versions of those. Good chips!
I classify everything on LTT into two categories: pre-beard and post-beard
"Sure it's a gaming PC, up to 120 fps in Doom."
"Okay, will it stick to that?"
"Erh... it might dip a little.."
"Hoooow much?"
"I mean, hmmmnmmnm 20"
"What? It's gaming somewhere between 20 and 120 FPS? Can't I just lock it to like... 60?"
"Nah. I mean you can lock it to 60 max, but it'll probably still dip..."
Good idea, thanks for the tip, I skipped the advert.
I looked at the topology and good luck choosing the right cores to pin to :P And also good luck getting windows to cooperate with you :D
Linus holding that chip and talking with his hands sent my anxiety through the roof.
Linus casually picking up the chip (or any other component) makes me cringe. It's as if he has no concept of ESD damage.
@@nomore6167 watch his video of discharge. It's very hard to damage components
@@flyingbanana2436 Have you researched the issue further or have any firsthand experience with which to corroborate that statement or are you basing that statement entirely on one video you saw on CZcams? I have firsthand experience from jobs in multiple PC repair shops, and I can tell you that over the past 25 years, I have seen ESD caused by careless techs damage CPUs, RAM modules, and HDDs. I've personally had two Synology NASs become inoperable due to ESD (they wouldn't even POST), each from a single discharge caused by normally walking about four to six feet across a carpeted room in the winter and then touching the NAS' metal case. I can say with absolute certainty that it is *NOT* very hard to damage components with ESD.
@@flyingbanana2436 I just watched the video to which I assume you referred (the URL is below for anyone interested), and all I have to say is... "Are you kidding me?!?" Do you actually think that video proved anything? They tested two RAM modules only, nothing else. One module catastrophically failed (no POST after ESD) and the other did not. It's kind of hard to claim "It's very hard to damage components [with ESD]" when the video showed a 50% failure rate. Additionally, their "test" was putting the RAM module into a PC and seeing if it POSTed. Any tech with a functioning brain will tell you that's not a real test. RAM modules typically do not fail catastrophically. The most common failures are when a RAM module appears to operate normally (the computer POSTs, boots, and appears to work), but some of the bits are invalid, resulting in different data being read or written. That's why RAM testing tools exist -- to test for bit-level errors.
Here are the key points to take away from that video:
1. Linus doesn't like getting zapped with ESD.
2. Electroboom appears to take pleasure in zapping Linus with ESD.
3. Of the two RAM modules zapped with ESD, one failed catastrophically and the other did not.
4. Linus apparently doesn't know how to test RAM.
5. No other components were tested, so the effect of ESD on other components was never addressed.
For those interested, the video in question is "Can static KILL your PC? (ft. Electroboom)" at the following URL:
czcams.com/video/nXkgbmr3dRA/video.html
@@nomore6167 have YOU ever damaged a pc component from the last 10 years from esd?
Linus: "Cheap, powerful hardware"
CPU being $1000 >.>
con you guys do a how to on home nas set up?
much appreciated
My old laptop still has a normal bios, so I am still familiar to navigate this ( if you are using vm ware, just go into the bios,it's also not a "modern" bios)
"Like the risk I take"
Sponsor Segway *skip*
Instant doubletap
*segue
Ew
Similar story:
Me and my dad were looking for a server to buy and we came across a second hand gpu miner server with 2x xeon gold 6242, 512GB enterprise ram, and m.2 ssd and 2x ssd 1.98tb enterprise on an auction. Ended up winning it for 3800€. A new one would be around 14999€ so I guess I can call it a win.
How many months it currently running and Do you encounter Any problem because it's an ex miner ?
@@gedecandra7722 So there was no problem what so ever with the server. It has really good specs as well! It was totally worth it. We didn't get any background on what it was doing when as deployed but it's a gpu miner server so It leans towards crypto currency mining.
That was the best intro sponsor segway ever done on LTT
Server gear from the westmere and Sandy Bridge era is also still very viable today. The only drawback is is usually you have a whole bunch of cheap CPUs, but then you can't find a good working motherboard for a decent price.
"a not user friendly, non graphical BIOS" wait what?! is the writer trying to say, that a GUI UEFI is more user friendly then a normal BIOS?! I think he has never even used MS DOS xD
The mouse control in UEFI is absolute ass ngl
Reject modern UEFI, return to traditional BIOS
Kids today... I swear
That microcenter ad at the end is so old that the shelves are full of gpus
I'm currently running a Dual channel Lenovo server with two x5570 xeons and it works like a charm. still games alright as well
0:37 we know we all hate those ADs for sponsors but hate to say it every time its more creative 😂
Of course, the best Segway’s to sponsors lol
me when a eBay product is not fake/a scam:
*Linus thumbnail face*
@obviously what is this
Those segues gettin lit 🔥🔥
listening to an in-joke about skipping the ad as I skip the ad is priceless
I read the other day that with this many cores on a single chip, you run into some issues with the physical distance between cores and cache latency. So I wonder if you can boot Windows using just 8 (or however many) of the cores that are all on the same sector of the die to see if that would boost framerate / help with boost clock consistency?
that was one of the best segues... top 10 at least(?)
The transition the sponsor was smooth
Rick from pawn stars: "Best I can do is 100 and that's a risk"
I just ate a live cicada bug in a video 💪🔥🔥
I see
omg these damn spammers are getting more and more plentiful youtube needs to take action rn
@@Muscleman8562 *cricket noises*
r/thathappened
no one cares
You mean RISC