Pushing Tesla FSD V12 Over the Limits
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00:00 - Intro
01:16 - PIA
02:43 - The Drive
30:35 - Summary - Věda a technologie
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Is this HW4? Great video as always.
great work, you're recording / documenting the painstaking making of history.
Awesome work as always. I see it as:
Critical Disengagements & Honks = Needs to be fixed to have a comfortable stress-free drive
Non-Critical Disengagements = Needs to be fixed to allow for true autopilot
I'm so f@#king excited for your obstacle testing lol
It will never be, nothing is perfect. But it is looking damn good already
Its pretty close to perfect.. Certainly a better driver than my girlfriend..
This version gives me so much hope. No one can beat your video editing and narrative.
Agreed
I recently thought self-driving videos are becoming boring. But frankly : this just was the most exciting, ever . FSD's capabilities, the situations, the editing, your comments. So dense. It nearly seems to be OpenAI Sora, too good. Wow. Just Wow.
A nice thing would be to have a "friendlier" horn for letting pedestrians know that you are behind them but without to scare them with the loud horn. Should be possible bc tesla only uses a giant loudspeaker for the horn lol.
That would be quite cool. Prolly one those white noise reverse ques. That would make people aware of its presence but not shocked by a loud noise
Love the idea! Old-fashion bicycle bell sound: “ding-ding!” on a press of a scroll-wheel as an option, for example.
that has been my suggestion ever since I was a small kid :).
@@alexp.6406 the bike bell is brilliant tbh, although that is probably very frightening as well given how many people bike way, way, way too fast.
This would be very nice as electric cars are so quiet, so quite often you don't know they're there unless you see them with your eyes
I live in Virginia and this is 10x more challenging than anything we have out here.
Floridian here. Same.
I live right across the bay and even I'm impressed at how challenging those streets are!
Funny because I understand why this isnt allowed in Europe yet.
Compared to most European cities I would call this a super easy drive.
Driving this slow and cautiously in cities like Paris or Palermo would get you honked at non-stop 😂
Funnily it's pretty much what you can expect in Europe everywhere. There's tougher places but this is basically a normal average city that was established several hundred years ago (so the vast majority of cities - not talking of driving shitholes like above mentioned Palermo or Paris or some special eastern european countries that are more like India driving).
I live in Italy and this is 10x less challenging than what we have here. But this build is still a very impressive step forward and gives hope
What a great edge-case area! Well done. Thank you!
@@basicallyhuman people don't think twice about it because humans are capable of critical thinking and adapting to situations. Now put yourself in the shoes of the programmer who developed the self-driving algorithm and think of how you would account for all of the cases showcased in the video. There's a lot to cover and I found the video to be a good demonstration of the algorithm's abilities.
@@basicallyhuman calling this a "very normal dirivng sutuation" takes away from the real complexity of driving
@@basicallyhumanedge case for fsd. Happy now?
I come in peace. Kinda
Very impressive overlays of images in the video. The viewer has the impression he is seeing everything at once....congratulations AIDRIVR.
Absolutely the best FSD 12 vid I've seen. AI DRIVR is tops of this genre IMO.
People can say it’s late per Elon’s earlier comments .. but to me it’s seeing impossible things happening in reality ..
Just about everyone in the biz underestimated how difficult this was going to be.
@@MrbfgrayNot true at all. Many recognized that AGI is likely necessary for self-driving.
@@TheSpartan3669 5 yrs ago? None of those perusing it did. They've mostly given up since.
It doesn't work
its not going to happen.
So FSD is telling me that those three deer are just two aliens walking a dog.
The cameras see through their disguise, just like they see the ghosts that earlier versions used to stop for. Tesla's camera tech is truly out-of-this-world!
it tried to warn us but we didn't listen. when they take over earth we can't blame but ourselves
😂😂
It would be interesting to see how it handles school bus stops and emergency vehicles. great video!
I would be curious to see what happens when a pedestrian runs out in front of it, not that I want that to happen to anyone..
Guess he'll have to buy a school bus, ambulance, and fire truck to test 😂
@@MyRealNamethere's video of people testing that. It brakes and stops if someone runs Infront.
@@Majora96 I understand, I'm talking about an inevitable crash situation where it would have to swerve and crash into something else or hit the pedestrian, no other choice. You know, the kind of situation that people talked about since the beginning of self driving cars, the ethics of it etc.
@@MyRealName I might be wrong but from what I've heard it disengages FSD in situations like that
WOW, this is simply stunning progress. Top marks to AI DRIVR for spending so much time and effort finding so many funky edge cases and editing it all down into a very interesting video. Thank you so much 🙂
These videos are like gold. I’m ALMOST as excited to get a notification that AIDRIVR posted a video on YT as when @TeslaScope announces a new version of FSD is rolling out.
Eighteen minutes in. Fascinating. i've never said this before: I'm impressed(!)
[also, as ever, by your narration, thank you]
The true value of end to end shines out, what an achievement. Really looking forward to the next six months, or shall we say the next two or three updates. Cheers dude!
Edit: also, these roads are exactly like so many here in the UK, and precisely the sorts of situations I have been concerned about: turn taking for oncoming traffic in narrow roads. V encouraging for when the UNECE regs finally permit us to start doing what you do.
Thanks for the excellent video and commentary. After 3 years in a model Y plying the streets around Seattle using FSD, I've become a bit frustrated at the slowing pace of improvements. Seeing V12's improvements in handling oncoming traffic on narrow roads is encouraging. My neighbor who drives a '19 Model X says they'll never solve self-driving but after watching your early edition of V12 I think he is wrong. Hopefully, the software team will get the car's behavior to react safely to what the visualization clearly showed at 29:22. I'm looking forward to getting V12!
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The best part about this drive is that Tesla achieved this with about 1 year of development, with the least amount of data and compute hardware available.
The future looks bright!
The *rate* of learning is going to become more impressive week by week.
@@basicallyhuman I think now they must "tune" all the aspects of self drive. Its mix of many pieces and thas why some things which worked in psat versions, now didnt work. You tune one thing and another falls apart.... Its like tuning guitar with billions of strings.
FSD is not going to work - there are lot of scenarios that this tech will fall short in a 'vision only' 1. Can it hear siren of emergency vehicles ? 2. what about different weather conditions - heavy rain/storms/fogs etc. imagine u are in robotaxi and suddenly weather is uncooperative where will the car pull? 3. what about the charging , all super chargers will need to be wireless for robotaxis 4. Parking lots needing human inputs like credit card payment how will fsd handle 5. Reverse is very tricky , they have not figured out how they will handle this 6. cameras cannot distinguish between a white light background and a truck with white back ,it thinks its the same which caused many accidents , same issue with strong sunlight blinding the cameras - Many many such cases where fsd is impractical and we are many years away from a steering free robotaxis that self operates ..
@@basicallyhumanhmmm you are basically saying that the car/a.i must become self-aware.
GPT did not hit a ceiling. They only train a new model every 1-2 years and it’s a huge effort. There is little incremental progress in between.
GPT5 will likely launch sometime this year. Then we will see. I expect significant progress.
Same with this. Tesla just needs to throw more training data and more compute. Then it will soon be much better then humans.
The only question is how large they can make their model and still have it fit the built in hardware, especially FSD computer 3. I am sure 3 will never archived FSD because it can’t run the size of model necessary.
4 is also unlikely but has a better chance.
You have an amazing channel covering FSD, I always look forward to new video's. Keep it up, you are the best!
Been waiting for your video clips ever since the very first v12 one. Nicely done bro !!! ❤
The Berkeley hills are really stressful to drive through, this is pretty amazing to see
it feels about as confident as and drives quite similarly to a beginner driver mostly and that’s amazing
Beg to differ. You haven’t had a 16 year old in your car in a while I’d assume
They’d die on roads like that. Tight spaces. Construction. 3 way splitting lanes. People in the road. Who has right of way to yield and pull over.
No. Not a beginner driver. A beginner driver wouldn’t drive this
@@ssing7113 Totally agree.
@@ssing7113 In Australia learner drivers (so 16 year olds) are statistically the safest drivers on the road
@@No_True_Scotsman sorry BS. If you're out in the middle of nowhere, then yes, you're not going to get in the accident, but they can't handle tough driving situations.
@@6681096 You are objectively wrong. You could have looked it up instead of embarrassing yourself. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a well established statistical fact. Your vague feelings on the matter do not override objective reality.
The best FSD videos, by far. No one else has commentary with the technical insight you provide. I don't even bother watching the others anymore - I just wait for the notification to tell me you have a new video :) Hit that bell people!
Haha, the deer moment was so cute!
Ah yes, my favourite Tesla ASMR just in for the weekend. Perfect!
Great effort my friend . i have seen many videos of FSD 12 but you take the testing and the quality of the video edits to a whole new level . Best tester on CZcams by miles . Congrats . keep doing please i love these
Quality video, sir. I cannot wait to get V12 so I show how it handles Seattle and its challenges. Cheers
Really enjoyed this video, love the fsd overlay and the way you explain things. Keep up the great work!
Amazing progress. I have already stopped hoping of a real autopilot in the nearest future, but this give me hope :)
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos!
Thanks bro! THAT was a test that had some of everything in it and v12 will become better because of it. I don’t fret too much of the misjudgments by it because it needs to adjust and learn. That session should really kick the learning database up a notch. Great video!
What an incredible collection of edge-cases in one drive! Fantastic editing, as always. You da best!
Once again, failed at some of the simplest, normal scenarios while doing amazingly and surprisingly well at the weird and unusual. Quite baffling!
But my god was it impressive the vat majority of the time! SO much smoother than it used to be! That final yield scenario, in particular, was *chef's kiss*
It would be really interesting to see V12 behaviour in heavy rush-hours traffic
Heavy traffic is prob the easiest problem set for FSD/AP to solve
@@Mpr47276 I doubt it. Its assertiveness is quite low for much of the places in the world with heavy traffic. Also, the 100% vision system is not yet refined to the level where it could afford to be much more confident. Try googling "Bucharest traffic" and you'll change your mind, trust me.
It would probably handle it much better tbh. FSD was probably trained extensively on that, considering that is one of the most dangerous situations for pedestrians and cars a like. Like in New York.
BMW has had this for over a year. Tesla needs to get with the times
@@user-my4xu4gf1z how good is it really. I just did a little research on it, and it will only allow you to go up to 37miles per hour😆😆😆 that is pathetic. Also, you are talking mainly about Level 3 driving assist, which BMW has. However, the regular Autopilot in Tesla has had the capabilities of Level 3 forever, even if not recognized as such. This FSD has the capabilities of Level 4, even if considered, for some reason, level 2.
Wow. Great FSD v12 video. You really did good job tested many interesting situations. Can’t wait to see v12 do a three point turn.
Just subscribed, I think that I have come across your videos before but this time your detailed analysis really hit me, great job! Especially enjoyed the "I think it grew a pair" at he 16:15 min mark...lol.... Cheers
Man the visualization in the intro is the funniest thing ever:
Reality: Deer, deer, deer.
Meanwhile Tesla vision:
Dog, dog, dog;
Human, dog, dog;
Cyclist, dog;
Human, human, dog;
Cyclist with a trailer shaped like a car;
Perpendicular cyclist.
Thank you very much! I live in Europe and was starting to wonder, whether all roads in the US look like the vids from Omar. Good to see that FSD can do more than driving downtown on wide roads.
As living in England i would love to see this work in roads like cornwall. Cause those are tight and you need to be confident in small spaces.
What a beautiful area! Love the hills and winding roads!
Excellent format. Love the tally at the end, agree 100% with approach
Damn I was glued to the screen for the entirety of this video. Great editing with great commentary as always. I'm so fascinated bz this technologz and its fast progress! Thanks for making these videos
Great narration of a challenging course for V12. The best test of a challenging drive I've seen.
Everytime I'm telling myself to just have a quick look but end up watching your video end-to-end. Really well done! And it seems like through all these years, paying attention to nuances you probably become one of the best human drivers as well, learning from the autopilots mistakes/awkwardness :D
Thanks. As always, the best FSD Beta narration. And what a great couple of drives. The improvements are immense.
It probably will take 3-4 more months for a wide release and possibly longer. But the progress is amazing.
the best v12 video so far. Thank you!
I'm very impressed! Where FSD succeeded in this drive far outweighs where it failed, compared to previous versions. The fact that it excelled way more than it failed, tells me that they have gone up another level. Further, the way it excelled in difficult edge cases, lays the pathway to excel in way more difficult edge cases. Please can you go back to the episode from the start, where people suggested hard intersections and the underpass with multiple entry exit points. Have followed you from the start and would love to see you test that again. Love your work!! It's most important :)
Great job! Thanks for taking the time and sharing it with the community.
Always informative and interesting. Best out there on the subject 🎉
This is by the the BEST video I've seen of ANY beta version showing multiple edge cases and how it handles these...
Thanks again for such a high quality video in every way. The progress Tesla has made is so encouraging.
The overlays are great! Your editing is always excellent. Keep it up!
Your 3 point turn assessment sounds spot on to me
I have been wondering why we had not seen more videos from you , but I can now see what you have been doing.
What an excellent video.
Just the fact you can fast forward through so much because it’s “ unremarkable “ is amazing I’m so hopeful for this approach as it is just doing so much. You have had to up your game so much in trying to find more difficult things to test it on .
Just a joy to watch.
This is a huge leap! It feels so natural and smart, judging the situations so well!
I love your FSD videos-the visuals, commentary, and summary. The latest FSD 11 has been very good for me so far, and I use FSD all the time. I can’t use a car without FSD. I am so relaxed when using it and enjoy the visuals and the scenery so much more. I love taking it through curvy, tight roads like the one you took it through, and let me tell you, it has blown my mind with its capabilities and negotiating skills. I can’t wait to try version 12.
The roads shown here reminds me of the roads in England, Cornwall. Pretty cool to see that in America. I’m used to seeing houses and the roads with them being big and spaced out in America, but here it’s small and compact like you would find in Cornwall.
Interesting video seeing how the care behaves too!
Best FSD video ever... except I vomited at 22:20 after all the curves in fast forward. 🤣
I want V12 even more NOW!!
How can filming just driving a car be so interesting?? AIDRVR, you are doing a great job!
Man I love these videos
This is absolutely my favorite channel to watch when it comes to FSD beta videos, by far!
Great work testing and thank you for being objective. Love the video quality and layout. Great visuals to compare FSD and IRL. Hope tesla watches this to address them in future updates.
Great Job as always! Can't wait to receive this update!
where i live roads like these are very common, this gives me a lot of hope for the future of FSD. great content as always!
Love watching you watch your car drive itself
The thing that surprises me is that you recognize situations where it's not being cautious enough, but you praise it when that same level of confidence works out and delivers a satisfying experience. I think the true problem that is being overlooked is that with no programming at all for the rules logic, it's going to be very difficult to have perfect confidence that the system will never make a critical mistake. Today, the system usually performs left turns okay. It usually doesn't run red lights. It usually doesn't hit parked cars. But with no programming acting as a safety net to guard against these behaviors, we're seeing exceptions to all of these successes, even with only a tiny number of trials. I don't know how that number gets to 0 just by increasing the data. It seems as if it will become much more rare, but because Tesla doesn't know _why_ it makes the decisions it does, it also won't be able to predict the scenarios that screw it up.
You mentioned Cruise here, and I think we should talk about that more fully. Their vehicle screwed up because a pedestrian lying on the ground directly next to the car was not detected by it. The pedestrian was struck by another vehicle and knocked into the path of the Cruise, and after being on the ground, the Cruise no longer understood the pedestrian was there, and it dragged her. I don't think FSD has a solution for situations like this. I think that if we put a child lying on the ground next to the car, start the car and start FSD, it can run that child over, just like the Cruise did with that pedestrian. And yes, that's an absolute edge case. But it's obviously one that happened. So how does Tesla get to a perfect confidence level with its current hardware that enables it to allow these vehicles to start up, drive across town and pick us up?
On the cruise - he is talking about a different video where cruise programmers had to manually code how to handle cyclists- czcams.com/video/0soagwpOGqs/video.htmlsi=7HjHAS_dW9T_wEPt
@@aguzman222 Thanks for sharing the video. That's an unfortunately misleading work, but it shows how much misunderstanding there is about all of this. In this video, the line that I'm referring to is when he said, "We all saw how that turned out." Cruise was banned from autonomous operation in California after dragging a pedestrian, and my impression is that he was joking about that. I could be mistaken.
Thanks for making these videos! I hope we in europe will get this also at some point in time.
Great job explaining your observations. Very clear. Thank you
Super awesome video. EXACTLY the kind of FSD-videos we need!
Brilliant video. I think this also demonstrates why it would be Healy great to clearly mark self driving cars with really clear signage . That way people would know ,not to flash or use hand signals to that car.
This would be a great help during the change over period.
re. 22:51:
The destination point was so close after the "except local traffic" area that I (and some others) might consider going through there absolutely reasonable.
We have similar access limitations in Germany as permanent traffic control ("Anlieger frei") and _I_ would not have hesitated to enter in the same situation as it is not clear how deep the limitation ("local traffic only") goes - it was reasonable to assume that _you are local traffic_.
Local traffic means you live on that street that is blocked off with that sign.
@@jessiejanson1528 SRC.?
That's what people here THINK "Anlieger frei" means too.
Love you video! Keep it coming!! Gives us loads of confidence with the progress with Tesla's FSD. :)
Love this kind of FSD video and breakdown.
the best FSD video I have seen since its inception! very well done!
Excellent improvement in v12b. I'm on v11 and eager to get hands on (or hands-free!). Very nice demo. Keep up the great work pls!
29:31 it had the creep limit at the center of that road for a split second. I wonder if it thought it had the right of way?.. for some odd reason lol. But yea that's a rough disengagement.
Awesome video upload. These videos are becoming super impressive.
Another great one. Thanks for all your efforts in putting together such meaningful videos.
Great Video. What a crazy neighborhood to drive in!
Wow just wow ! Thanks for making these videos and sharing with all of us - the progress with FSD is real
Great drive. Great description. You really tested it in a very difficult situation.
Before watching this, I thought true FSD is probably about a year away.
Now, I'm thinking six or eight months.
We're very close.
I like your videos over all other FSD videos. One suggestion. I know it's not winter where you are, but maybe Canada has a pretty good winter. It would be nice if you took a road trip to some Canadian city where it's winter and there's a lot of snow on the streets, so we could see how the FSD copes with the slightly more demanding conditions.
Extremely well done! Thank you so much!
❤ great video fantastic graphics, and really useful and helpful commentary. Really appreciate you putting v 12 throughits paces.
I find this all so fascinating. Thank you for making this video and your expert narration.
Wow! Amazing! Thanks for your work.
watching this version makes me feel FSD is really close. Appreciate how you show us FSD true performance without skipping anything. Thank you!
Very interesting to watching. Thanks for sharing!
For the first week or so of training v12 alpha it had no visualisations, just the car. After a while we got cars and lane markings. Never got cones, just the shadows like your seeing.
And yeah, we had to train it to reverse even though thats not currently wired in.....
I enjoy watching yur drives in the Brekely Hills. I know how challenging it is, having done it myself. Your videos are always top notch. Very impressive behavior by FSD.
Absolutely love your video's, the overlap of the screen, your commentary, the sped-up at non critical driving parts and the counting of the criticial and non critical interventions. Top notch.
One tip you might add is a color dot counter on the top side of the screen (like a lifebar in fight games) that counts all the critical/non-critical or other kinds of interventions.
That way it's easy to compare in the future with other video's, as hopefully these color dots will become less and less.
Wow, that was a VERY interesting drive, filled with lots of edge cases! Thank-you for posting.
For me, the easiest of the "critical disengagements" for Tesla to solve would be the stop sign held by the construction worker. The car needs to know that this isn't just a stop-then-go stop sign. Generally speaking, V12 is acting SO much more human-like, and is operating in a way that makes other drivers much more able to predict what it will do.
It’s not difficult at all to solve. It just doesn’t happen often so the amount of training clips is small. I’d expect it to be solved by the end of summer, I mean, road construction season.
19:00 maybe in the next version, fsd will learn to horn in this situation :)
V12 definitely looks like the best solution to solving autonomy. Now it looks like a data curation and training model problem.
REALLY GOOD driving in this video congested area and the Deer - unexpected for sure.. Car is doing extremely well.. needs more construction edge case scenarios. Bang on with understanding conditions and areas and not always doing the post speed. Can sometimes driver to fast for the area.
great video! Many thanks for that! Fsd seems to be possible now after version 12… but it’s still not clear how to handle heavy rain and snow… and overheating of cameras…
Re: lead cars. A lead car provides indirect information you don't otherwise have. If they are not slowing down, you can be much more confident there are no surprises around those blind curves. Human drivers rely on this as well, which, since v12 is trained on DWHWD ("Do What a Human Would Do"), means it learned this behavior from us.
Blind unprotected left and right turns are big weakness though…I had to hard brake as it seemed like it was going to right turn into the middle of traffic. It would have hit the second car in the pack. But other than that it is pretty amazing…but on the slow side when just going down a street without a lead vehicle.
Loving the format and commentary!
21:26 that driver gave YOU the right of way that YOU had since you stopped at the intersection before he did..
He didn’t have a stop sign
@@AIDRIVR yes he did. You can see the crosswalk and you can see in your close
Up dash cam the back of the stop sign. It’s also why the police officer stopped there also prior.
Thanks for the test fireworks. 🎇 Amazing.
Thanks for the detailed video. George Hotz says it will take a few more years but this sure looks good now.
I mean holy crap that's a really tricky environment to drive in. Windy road, cars parked all over the place, lack of lights. It's really impressive to be able to drive itself at all :D
Are the cameras wide enough to see at a 4-way stop, especially if there are structures (fences, bushes, trees, buildings) on all the corners?
It's amazing to see FSD 12 prioritizing smoothness. Which is key to being predictable for other humans in our traffic system. It looks like v12 learned the "go or no go" mentality, and not hesitate endlessly, making the car way more predictable. The best examples being the costco parking lot and the biker here. hesitating in these situations is what causes accidents. Either you stop or you shoot the gap and it seems to do it wonderfully.