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- Review of the $225 Kingsom KS-180 HEPA flexible arm solder fume extractor.
Does it suck?
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My own pinned comment seem to be mysteriously vanishing from this video, I suspect because it's got a links to ali-you know what. If you want the links, see the description above.
I've seen my comments on my own channel (as well as other people's) randomly disappear too. After some weeks they came back by themselves. They didnt contain any links either. Could be a different issue though.
My filter system is lots of nose hairs.
Wow, that's eff'd up! Seems like 'freedom of speech' and whatnot is getting to be practically nonexistent nowadays, or is at least heavily censored. Unreal.
Reminds me of War of the Worlds, just needs a light on the end!
@@R3TR0R4V3 Firstly, "freedom of speech" is for governments. Not companies. CZcams is allowed to "censor" whatever they want.
Second, I very much doubt this is in any way intentional. CZcams comments have been broken to some degree in the past. For example, look at any video that is ~10years old where the publishing channel has responded to some of them. You will often find that they are responding to comments that are no longer there, comment chains are broken up, and its a mess in general. Some of this may be caused by people deleting their google account, but with how much this seems to happen, it's probably not the main cause.
12:45 "I'm actually happy to trade off noise for suction." Aren't we all.
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Some people like the noise too, otherwise it feels like a silent film.
.. thats what she said ..
@@alch3myau she? he?
Hahahaha
Learned a new phrase today: "Tighter than a nuns nasty!". Thanks Dave!
Did you catch the "Dryer than a dead dingo's donger" in a previous video? I believe it was the arcade machine power supply one. The colorful euphemisms I am starting to think are a good portion of the entertainment for me.
Obviously never watched the film The Devils by Ken Russell then!
I got "suck it up buttercup" - one I can use.
the obverse of that one would be "like a hotdog down a hallway".
Flat out like a lizard drinking
Like a rat up a drainpipe
Cunning as an outhouse rat
my old boss would just filter the flux fumes through a cigarette
Done that, soldering & smoking - makes me cry !
That sucking tube looks like something out of War of the Worlds!
The day of the triffids
it does!
czcams.com/video/kytDzjuBGJI/video.html
Reminds me of ”2069: a Sex Odyssey." BTW, don't watch it. Seriously.
Just be sure to inhale it through a cigarette filter. No worries.
I think Dave was tricked, that's a Dyson space urinal.
Dyson sex toy ;-)
We have those damn Dyson urinals at work. They blow piss all over the place.
"Tight as a nun's nasty"
That is the first time I've heard that saying. Still laughing
guilty of scrolling down just to find if anyone commented this, lol
My fume extraction method: exhaling slowly gently blowing the smoke away.
Good for you. But that is utter nonsense for anyone that does any serious soldering. Fumes fill the room. Breathing them = health problems including asthma or worse.
The earth has to be connected to every single piece of "outer metal wall, at least here in Germany. This was a real pain when I had to build a electric cabinet and hand control box from extruded aluminium and aluminium sheets during my apprenticeship. I had to screw down and low impedance measure at least 30 to 40 earth screw posts during my practical exam....
Edit: What I want to say, you aren't allowed to rely on the connection between fan and outer wall, both have to be connected separately via earth wire
I've gotten real good at holding my breath.
i've actually made my own extractor recently after hearing a few times how bad it probably was to breathe.. . i was looking on amazon for charcoal filter elements and found a very cheap cabin air filter for a random car (it was under 5 bucks and decent sized and better than that spongy filter you showed) so i spent a while designing and 3d printing a thing to house the filter and hold a 120mm computer fan. it works very well but also only works within about 6"... that hose idea is great, i'll have to try and make something like that to attach to it now.
They should put a ring of LED lights on the end too
Ugly solution though. Horse for courses, don't try and be a jack of all trades.
I think it's a great idea. If not, then at least offer a transparent or translucent intake, so it doesn't shadow your workspace.
@@richfiles I like the transparent idea. One model they have does have a transparent round cover.
@Big Steve/videos - perhaps some, but I seriously doubt it would ever darken to the opaque black of the current material. And anyway, the transparent plastic wouldn't be for seeing clearly through but rather intended to let at least some light from above down onto the workspace
@Big Steve - That'd be excellent, you could add LED tape round it too just for the most insane looking 'Jetsons' style apparatus XD Seriously, some of my old LED computer fans clouded up but its a clear indication* of how dirty they are.
*Unintentional pun
5:55 When you have that many scopes in your lab that you actually have to put them on your shelf sideways because otherwise they won't fit, you know you have a serious electronics lab....
"Tight as a nun's nasty" I'm... gonna have to remember this one. Love me some of these phrases.
Just love your videos, I sometimes just watch it to hear what you will come up with
My electronics/makey stuff is confined to a shed at the end of my garden, so I just chopped a hole in the wall and fitted a bathroom extractor fan next to where I sit. Seems quite effective at making the fumes go away.
good if you can tolerate the noise. Most of the cost of that unit goes into a low noise motor, then the layered filter.
Been using one of the PACE branded for over two years in our welding shop for galvanized steel. Works awesome
@@sent18inel the smoke from galvanized contains zinc oxide which can be toxic in high concentration.
16:30 "No problem with me" :D
I laughed like crazy for a few minutes.
Thank you so much, such small things make life beautiful.
I've got a whole home hepa system, same basic construction, uses 3 square filters, and a big fan to pull the air through them. Takes air from the cold air return, and returns it actually upstream from the intake. Probably not terribly efficient, but it works. We had a house fire, and did not know until the next morning but the hepa system filtered all the smoke out, such that none of the smoke alarms went off. One room was destroyed before it burnt itself out.
"Does it suck?" in the description really got me :D
If you play violin etc you will be breathing Rosin dust every time you play. It used as a resistance substance on the bow to make the strings sound.
it's non toxic unless burned.
Great! Thanks for sharing, I recently bought my first bench top fun extractor, like the the first one you showed, and it's OK, but I don't trust the filter. I'm going to order one of these bad boys.
Love your total legal power cable with no protection in active and natural pins. Off to order one, been looking at options for a while.
I think this really calls for a "pimp my air filter episode" where you add a power switch at the nozzle and maybe add some LEDs (with switch) at the nozzle too, given that you'll always want a lot of light where you're soldering and the nozzle might actually block ambiant light.
That video thumbnail is one of the best you have done so far 👍
Thanks for great informative video. Would you say this is enough for solderinf and working in bedroom where you sleep? I plan to solder three days a week for few hours
Thanks for the Review!
4:05 that's actually interesting visual effect, when you move that foam in front of a light, gives me and idea for a project
I do recommend getting your nails done once in awhile. It feels nice and your hands look awesome afterwards.
Looks like a pretty awesome product. Certainly a step up from a couple of 140mm PC fans and some dryer pipe!
I use a homemade fume extractor. It consists of a cardboard housing, dryer ducting hose, a really powerful CPU/case fan for moving the air, about 17 layers of that porous carbon filter that you showed (to make sure it gets filtered at least somewhat!), and copious amounts of duct tape to fix the leaks lol. Oh yeah, and a couple LEDs at the end of the hose to light up my workspace a bit more. Works like a charm, and the hose folds away nice and neatly.
If you get a moment can you check the decible volume at each level of ran usage? I'm curious. I want to buy it, but i hope the lowest setting can be around 40 decibles or lower.
I still feel like the best way to do it would be to have an exhaust system all the way out the roof, that is if you can design a place with that in mind or through a cut in the window like an AC system would, i guess it depends on the amount of smoke but i always feel like no matter how good a HEPA system is eventually it will clog up and require more constant replacement of filters and for the smokers out there it's obviously convenient to have that vented fume extraction, however for when that's not an option the HEPA solution seems pretty reasonable.
You’re establishing a vacuum, so pulling in hot air during the summer and cold air during winter. Yes?
I have one of the black cheap ones with the charcoal filter. I have the same problem... you have to be super close. I'm buying the Kingdom! Thanks Dave!
Thanks for making this video! I'm glad I saw it as I was thinking the only good "prosumer" fume extractor was the JBC Tools FAE1 and that thing is like $1400 USD with NO accessories! I didn't even know about the Pace Arm-Evac 150! It's less than half the price! I'm planning on ordering one of those to do double duty collecting soldering fumes as well as hooking up to my 3D printing enclosure to turn on in short intervals pulling the fumes out of there.
I'm using small-ish vacuum cleaner with speed control :P . It,s cheap (~$70 delivered ), powerful , have great filtration (HEPA13), and you can clean stuff with it. Downside is that it is quite loud even on low speed, have flexible tube and gets hot after a while. But works for me.
What kind of fan motor is it and how is fan speed controlled? Triac and a asynchronous ac motor?
Awesome video!! I've been looking at these nail salon extractors too but was unsure; $200-300 is still pricey if you end up with paper weight, so its great to know they actually work. The price/availability of replacement filters can also be a pita.
Yeah, they haven't gotten back to me on a filter price yet, it's not on their site.
@@EEVblog Wonder how it compares to the QUICK6101A1 ; canada.newark.com/quick/quick6101a1/single-arm-fume-extractor/dp/97W2555
@@stevenspmd Don't know, but looks like that wouldn't fit under the bench. I want to get rid of the noise source as much as possible.
@@EEVblog pulled the pin on the same :-) 394.72 USD / 550 CDN ; even at double the cost for shipping you can't beat the price.
@@stevenspmd The Kingsom has an activated charcoal filter. The 6101A1 does not. The filtration of the 6101A1 is a three piece cotton fiber affair similar to other lower-priced extractors on Aliexpress.
All well and good, but what about replacement filters?
I was on their website and alibaba and was unable to locate them.
"solder fumes, don't breathe that!" from that blendtec video guy
Can this extractor be used to extract the carbon smoke while doing decarbonize of 4 wheeler (car)?
I use a Weller zero smog unit. I highly recommend it. Although you need to maintain the filter on these fume extractors according to the manufacturer recommendations (replace every year or so).
We have the weller fume extractor of a similar design, I'm curious if anyone else has been having problems with that model, because ours constantly malfunctions
The shipping on just the tubing is pretty ridiculous: $55 shipping to the U.S.
I did some research, and it looks like you can buy the tubing that Hakko uses (www.hakkousa.com/products/replacement-parts/hakko-loc-line-kit-10192.html#) directly: a nozzle + 3 feet of tubing + 3 inch vent adapter is just north of $60 shipped to the U.S. at www.modularhose.com/Loc-Line-25-ID-System/25-anti-static/
Shipping from China has gotten ridiculously expensive lately. Hopefully shipping prices will down once things get back to normal.
Thank you for the research.🇩🇰
Any updates on where to buy replacement filters?
does it take the same filter as the pace or is there a standard size it takes? Currently using a KOTTO cheapy for like $70 .. its got a decent hose and suction but it's not HEPA. This would really be a nice upgrade:)
Does anyone know the link to get replacement filter?
I built one years ago, using a 190 CFM fan designed for "hydroponics operations", and some loc-line hose from Amazon, look for: Loc-Line Anti-Static Vacuum Hose.
I put the fan and it's exhaust 20 feet away, so the noise is very low. The only thing I might add would be a HEPA filter.
Thanks for the reminder, I've been meaning to build my own extractor using an inline duct fan and some flexible ducting. Since I'm free to cut holes in my workshop all I want, my idea is to just dump it right out through the wall, no filtering really needed. Just need something to prevent weird things from crawling back in the other direction!
That's what I did. Choose wisely about the type of fan you get though. I got a bathroom fan and it's really quiet and weak, which is perfect for solder fumes. There are super powerful ones, but they'll eat your components and tools if you're not careful!
Mythricia, gravity flap vent - these are commonly used with extractor fans and vented tumble dryers, 100mm/150mm flap vent.
How well would this work if you were using a microscope? I don't know where you would put the intake.
To the side of the microscope.
is it simple enough to use a variac? i use a variac on all my simple fans to turn to voltage down to about 50%
Do you think having a double extractor is noisier than the single box model-even if both are rated at the same dB.? Your opinion please
Hi Dave, nice bit of gear.
I've thought of making a home extraction unit using an old articulated desk lamp arm and some flexible pipe, put the fan under the bench, add filtering later if I feel the need.
I also have an articulated magnifier, that clamps on the edge of the bench, that has blown flouro, adding LED lighting, could add a pipe to that too.
Can you buy replacement filters? And how often should one change the filters?
I have a weller FT system at work, but the filter in this looks really nice. :)
11:36 the international society of electric motor enthusiasts approves that blower
How much is there at the bottom? Would it be possible to fit a foot pedal?
Something you have to be wary of when buying products directly from a OEM in China, most OEM's in China make different grades of the same product. So for example a product made for the Chinese, India or the Africa market use cheaper or even less components than products exported to the USA and Europe etc. The Chinese consumers know this and they will often buy a product exported to the USA rather than the local variant. This isn't always true but is worth noting when buying directly of a Chinese OEM.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Pace one is higher quality in some way.
I like the fan assembly made of fully metal and works on the centrifuge principal like vacuum cleaners and kitchen fume extractors do...
14:59 out of all the ways you could have said that, I think you explained it the best
Hi, I am wondering if it can do dust or powder suction?
what about reuse your blue air one and then add a hose to that and some cover for the sides, then you get two in one device with the Blue air ?
We need just the hood and the tubing .. where can we get just that part
I found a Vevor XF180A for $267 AUD and a XF250A for $318 AUD free shipping. Not sure if these are the same but rebranded or not.
Where can I find the filters for the KS-180 and KS-250?
Also if one only uses this every blue moon do I still need to replace the activated carbon filter every 6 months or so?
Is the centrifugal fan on these machines AC or DC? I was wondering if I could easily convert a 120v unit to 220v by using a transformer.
While watching this I started thinking/wondering if maybe a homemade downdraft type work area might work somehow. Obviously not as portable. Maybe if you have a dedicated area where you do all your soldering have a some slots cut into the bench as vents (or drill a bunch of holes) and under that have your filter and fan setup sucking the fumes down under the bench.
Is there an advantage to using that fan design ("squirrel cage") over the ones commonly seen in power supplies and oscilloscopes?
They generally create higher pressure than axial fans.
3:34 dropped a big 'ol glob-o-solder on the board.
It deserved it.
Good eye too, didnt notice that.
Never heard about the Jet-Hand-Soldering technique? Dave should do a video about it and share his skill.
@@EEVblog Nothing a hammer cant fix!
@@kennis265 I've done a LOT of soldering, I kept watching him add more and more solder, waiting for the metal splat. I was not disappointed lol
LOL. That thumbnail.. I chuckle every time I see it. You're a funny guy, Dave! Cheers
Anyways.. About the fume extractor - I think I'll just take the Diy approach, using a big Pc fan, some flexible duct tubing and some filters taped to the inlet. 🤷🏻♂️ There's just no way I'm dropping over $200 bucks on one right now.
Gosh, how do I love rosin flux fumes. Always gets me slightly high after 8+ hours of soldering.
I think that's the brain damage kicking in.
"Let me show you the unit that I actually got. So as you can see it's gigantic" - Dave 2020
That's what she said.
I've go an OKI BVX-200 two station Fume Extraction Unit with one pipe inlet capped off, which always beeps at start up unit air flow gets going. It should only beep if there is a rise in pressure across the filter. Must have a play with the adjustment pot on the side. The beast feature is the wired remote so you can switch it on and off from the soldering station area. bought it at an auction selling off equipment from a company I used to work for.
You can also use it to talk to the engine room on the HMAS EEVLab
Should the hose be antistatic? Air rushing through it and it's going to build up charge. Maybe that's why the Pace is much more expensive. Not an issue for prototyping, but may not be up to production standards (1m distance from charges for long term/high volume reliability).
I doing it’s an issue, as the air is being pulled away from your work.
Are the flux fumes actually toxic to begin with? How badly? Any studies on that?
Good tipp, thanks therfor!😊
I prefer to vent outside if possible. A lot of the noise will be probably due to the air flowing through the tube, can cut it down by insulating the tube and fan box.
This Chassis can easy be modified for less noise. I used „Alubutyl“ to cover inside if the chassis and put some stripes on the fan chassis, what kills resonances. Now the main noise source is the air intake port.
Thanks for sharing the video.
Excellent product
David, the one that you linked on Aliexpress has free DHL shipping for Italy either :)
"Charcoal filter?" My cat's litterbox came with that exact style, and it didn't do much there either.
Would this work in chemical laboratories setting?
Be nice if there were links to actually buy it cant see anyways to buy from kingsomtech or even prices in your link ?
I linked to Alibaba
Replacement filter cost?
Throw the motor in the trash, put a subwoofer in, and let the party start!
You'll need to replace the tube with an audio grade one as well.
@@redsquirrelftw And remember to get the gold plated ones.
They sound way better!
Fit a radio to the unit and funnel the music up the tube whilst vacuuming.
I don't know if you still have issues with focus point, but if you set your camera to spot focus, you can set the spot of focus in the middle or 1/3rd to the left or right and remember that, and then aim the frame there to allways have what you want in focus =)
I saw the advert saying it works for nail salons. I know what you're up to - you're moving back to the small lab and then turning this place into a beauty salon once we're allowed back outside again.
Ahhh... The smell of burning rosin in the morning. Makes you look forward to the coming day...
Kurtz Ersa makes them. I have a single and a double machine. One I move around the other stays at my main bench. These results articulating ducts are very fun fun
I should get a good fume extraction solution, currently I just breathe out while I'm soldering.
so i have one of these. where in the heck do you get replacement filters for them? i have the dual inlet model. got it under the vevor brand during a recent ali sale ended up shipped to my door for less then 225$ works fantastic but i NEED to find filters without them costing the price of an entire new unit. i love it except for ONE thing it only has three speeds. i will change it out to a pot sooner or later instead of the touch button. otherwise it works awesome. i hate to have to buy a whole new unit just because i need a filter. i contacted kingsom and they wanted to know how many pallets of them i wanted lol i said no i want to order maybe 5 or 6 or as i need them and they said they couldnt help me with that. they said try to find a compatible filter. like wtf lol
I asked Vevor on their European site, and they replied they did not sell the replacement filters.
Judging from the reply you got, at least they do exist...
How far can you insert it?
As far as she lets you.
10:02 just make sure you get the right filters if you ever plan on going to the moon and an oxygen tank explodes after you get a request from mission control to stir the tanks. :)
Like the Apollo 13 reference.
Does it have a remote switch control on a cord?
Another model has a remote control
The charcoal filter looks a bit thin, can someone do a nose test whether that sucker can get rid of the odor while feeding it thick rosin smoke?
Great thumbnail!
I thought so :-D
Dave you have a Elephant in a box there !, we used to use those at a aerospace company in the UK I used to work with, Good one Dave yes they are very good :)
Hi Dave, on one site I found that similar FUME Extractor Smoke Absorber Multi-layer Filtration System has the following expiration dates:
First layer - Filter cotton(Filter 60) - 7-15 days
Second layer - Filter cotton(Filter PM0.3) - 3 months
Third layer - Particulate air filter(filter smoke) - more than 6 months
What do you think about it?
Did you get a chance to find the filters price and supplier?
Thank you
That's for 8 hours a day usage.
No reply from them yet.