Hi Angrybeard - I bought this stove too and LOVE it! Mine is going into a tiny cabin. Love the windows on it - very easy to clean - just dampen wadded up newspaper and dip in burned ash. cleans beautifully - and easy to replace if ever glass cracks. I've fired it up about 3 times so far and am very pleased. Thanks for your video!
That's great. I'm glad to hear it. I really think it's a great little unit. In about another month. I'm going to set up the tent and make a video on a stove jack solution that doesn't require clamping a silicone rubber boot through your tent fabric with wing nuts. Watch for that if your interested. It will also be the first set up of the kodiak canvas lodge tent.
Excellent! Glad to hear it. I do believe when it comes to gear etc... you'll have a better and more enjoyable time if you invest the money to get quality stuff. Unless your just going out to deliberately engage in a minimalist expierence. One should do research and purchase quality gear.
I have the Winnerwell Nomad View large and small stoves. These stoves are amazing. The large stove uses 3.5in pipe. The medium is 2.5 and the small is 2.1. All of them are awesome at heating. Efficient and safe. The woolander like you have has three legs which is better for uneven ground but virtually the same except astestics.
"You're an idiot if you aren't starting your fire with a Lighter." SPOT ON!!! From the man that was drafted by his wife to teach a class to her Girl Scout's Council's Leaders on how to Start a Fire... In the Hoh National rain Forest. The class started with, "Ladies, let me gift each and every one of you with one of the two most important Survival Tools you will ever own." And handed out a Bic to each attendee. Someone asked, "But what's the other?" And half the class pulled out and opened their knives. I love those ladies!
That's good. People watch to many goofy Bear grylls fake survival shit. You shouldn't abandon common sense and throw all the things out that will make life easier because you can bang rocks together and start a fire. Maybe! Keep it simple, keep it smart and have a back up plan for all your first plans. And for God's sake. Don't wander around eating weeds and shrubs. That's a good way to die. ✌
Appreciate the insight and review. Regarding the cost... Look, like you mentioned...there's plenty of cheaper options out there that will probably suffice, but the Winnerwell Woodland stove checks all the boxes except "packable and lightweight". I'm gonna be car camping with mine and it was an easy decision after watching all the videos reviewing the stoves and manufacturers...folding or not, titanium or stainless, glass or not, etc...and for a few hundred dollars more I have a "large" stove that is likely the best stove with viewing glass and checks all the boxes. I have a Tentipi Safir 7 with the Pro floor that cost me close to $3k. Again, there were other options available...much cheaper... but I did my research and found that this tent was arguably the best available regardless of whether the price is relative to its value...so I bought it without any regret and I'm extremely happy with my purchase. It looks as though I'm gonna be just as happy with this stove purchase. Don't really care what the detractors have to say about any of it being unnecessary, too expensive and a waste of money.
We all have or want things that are just unnecessary. I have really expensive watches. Completely impractical and I really can't make an argument to really justify it. But, I have them anyway, because I can. If the only criteria for having anything was that it was necessary, imagine how boring of a world that would be. Additionally, what would be the incentive to work more, to excel and to prosper if the only point of it all was to just to be able to obtain only that which is necessary. Buying excess crap that I dont need is its own form of earned happiness.
@@angrybeard4673 Funny that you responded today. I just got back from my first official weekend using my expensive Winnerwell stove and water tank, lol. It was GREAT! Everything about it was great, and having hot water on hand whenever we wanted it was a real bonus. Can't wait to use it again during colder weather.
That's awesome to hear! Give us some details. Where did you go? How long were you out? What kind of tent did you use? What was the weather like while you were out?
I've also going through the same process. I have narrowed it down to Winnerwell and the G stove. Your comment on the G stove about the oven I couldn't find any info on that other than I suspect it has something todo with the way it drafts inside at the back of the stove? I'm not really interested in cutting up really short logs and constantly feeding it as I'm sure most others would agree. You mentioned that you have a Grizzly tent and were going to set up a chimney in it. I have one of those tents to and would be interested in see how that worked out for you? BTW thanks for the video and agree with most of the comments.
Here is a link that shows the G stove with built in oven. www.gstove.com/gstove/12002/gstove-cooking-view-camping-stove-integrated-cooking-oven-plus-glass-door
Just to clarify! My tent is a Kodiak canvas lodge tent. It is not a grizzly. Not trying to come across as snobby or short here. But I think it's important to be specific as there are undoubtedly tents out there that are called grizzly. So the kodiak canvas lodge tent comes with a built in stove jack. What I was referring to in my video was an alternative solution for the silicone stove jack boot that winner well sells. The drawback to the silicone rubber stove jack boot that they sell is that it requires you to poke holes in your tent fabric and attach wing nuts to secure it. My interest in poking holes in my tent fabric is less than zero. I havnt made the video yet for my idea because I live in Texas. Though the fall weather is arriving earlier than usual, it's still to hot here for me to go set up the tent and make this video. It is forth coming though.
@@angrybeard4673 Thanks for the response. Sorry my bad on the tent name, I did mean Kodiak canvas tent, not grizzly. oops. Mine didn't come with the roof jack unfortunately. I was considering just using the silicone roof jack from Kodiak but I am concerned that its enough heat protection around the jack itself. I have seen some videos of guys testing the chimney temperatures, and they were getting quite high. Like you, I really not fond of the idea of hacking up my tent. But if I am, I only want to do it one time, the right way !
@@angrybeard4673 Our Canadian site doesn't have this model. Now I understand what you were talking about. Not something I would want. Thanks again for the post!
Paul. I don't know what kind of stove your using or will be using. Winnerwell sells double wall and/or triple wall pipe. In various diameters. Just buy one section of this pipe in the appropriate diameter. This piece of pipe should be the one that goes through the hole in your tent. It won't ever get so hot that you can't touch it. Hopefully this will be the solution for your situation.
That is a great question and one that actually has an answer. In this case. 3 legs are better than 4. The reason is that 3 legs do a better job of accommodating uneven ground as opposed to 4. If one of the 4 legs isn't reaching the ground, the stove is tipsy. With 3 legs you eliminate this problem.
Man... Now that is a really hard question to answer. Yet , such a simple question. Lol. I'm going to try. But I have to preface this for the others who may read it later. First off. Hardwoods are the only way to go really. Hardwoods burn twice as long as soft woods. So you got the right first statement in your question. Now I don't know where your located so I don't know what hardwood you have. Nor do I know if its seasoned. For the record. Not all Hardwoods need to be seasoned. Regardless even the ones that don't require it do tend to yield more heat if seasond for at least a few months. The gold standard for hardwood heat is oak. Oak can handle a couple of years of seasoning sometimes. But let's just assume your going to burn whatever you can scrounge on location and that it won't be seasoned. Which is fine. If you have been burning your stove and you fill it say 30 minutes before your going to sleep. If it's not antarctic cold and you can let it burn with the stove closed up or mostly closed up. I think you will likely see at least 6 hours of burn time. If your sleeping well and you have a good bag or blanket. I think you'll make it till the rooster crows. At which point you'll get up and open the stove up and it'll take off. I have been meaning to make a video of just the stove burning a full burn. But I've been sick with the flu so just havnt been up to it. I might do this tomorrow. 🤔 what a great question.
@@angrybeard4673 to answer your question I Live in central Michigan and plan to use a stove in my canvas center-pole tipi (17’ diameter by 10’ peak) any time cold weather permits, and have been looking for a stove that has the volume and control to heat us through the night on cots with good wool blankets in any weather. My criteria are minimum 4-6 hour burn time and packability by at least one person, which 30 lbs wouldn’t be impossible if pulled by sled or properly stowed on a frame. We do regularly travel to the UP so the Canadian border climate you mentioned applies. While We will also be often using seasoned fire wood for car-camping, whichever stove I choose will also be for emergencies. As you said, I can buy lighter, or heavier, and reap benefits and draw backs both ways. I think something in the 1500-2000 cubic inch range will be optimum assuming it’s portable enough, meaning 30 ish pounds or less. The stovepipe will have to be 11’ tall but all but the last foot will be inside the tipi so we will loose little to no heat to the pipe. Presently considering the winnerwelll, Colorado cyl stove, and knico, all in the 30 lb range but the Winnerwelll has the edge as they produce all the stovepipe requirements to safely pass through the canvas stove jack (no rubber boot) without having to source additional hard to find components like 4” stovepipe hardware. Incidentally they’re also the most expensive all said and done. Any insight from your experiences would be most appreciated, as as far as I can tell you’re the only you-tuber who’s going into depth on the WW Large. Thanks!
@@McMacPaddyWhack Alrighty. So we're going to answer this question today. I'll do a burn hot and fast then I'll load it up with mesquite and close it.. Which I just want to say for anyone who reads this some day. Mesquite is a super hard wood. Harder than oak and can be cut and burned without being seasoned. All those people who tell you not to burn it in your fireplace are without knowledge and they are wrong. They are technically ignorant and in my own expierence , at least half the time they are stupid. So. Just sayin! Mesquite is awesome. For burning anyway.
No damper on the stove pipe? It will burn wood too fast operating it without the thing closed. Like a vacuum cleaner. It should be on first pipe out of fire box.
That's a legit concern. However in my research I couldn't find any complaints about the glass cracking. I can imagine a scenario where the glass gets broken from banging it around. Winnerwell sells replacement glass. Which obviously won't solve the problem while your at camp. Regardless. Breaking glass doesn't seem to be a dominant issue from my research. I havnt personally used the stove enough to speak from experience.
OK, second top-level comment, because I don't want either to get "Buried", but... WHAT IS IT WITH ALL THESE STOVE MANUFACTURERS WHO WANT ME TO BREATHE ZINC FUMES??? BLACK STOVEPIPE EXISTS!!!
Well, I don't really know the answer to this question. It should be pointed out though. Zinc fumes are a by product of galvanized steel. The winnerwell stove does not use galvanized steel it uses stainless steel for both pipe and stove. Zinc fumes will not be emitted from heated stainless. Just don't buy galvanized steel.
Nope. Don't knock it. It's awesome, super sturdy. Accommodates uneven ground better than a 4 legged stove and it has holes in the feet so you can stake it down if you want to.
Hi Angrybeard - I bought this stove too and LOVE it! Mine is going into a tiny cabin. Love the windows on it - very easy to clean - just dampen wadded up newspaper and dip in burned ash. cleans beautifully - and easy to replace if ever glass cracks. I've fired it up about 3 times so far and am very pleased. Thanks for your video!
That's great. I'm glad to hear it. I really think it's a great little unit. In about another month. I'm going to set up the tent and make a video on a stove jack solution that doesn't require clamping a silicone rubber boot through your tent fabric with wing nuts. Watch for that if your interested. It will also be the first set up of the kodiak canvas lodge tent.
Great video. I've been going through the same process. About to pull the trigger on one of these. This helped. Thank you.
Thanks for the video. Very interesting to watch and informative 👍
Excellent! Glad to hear it. I do believe when it comes to gear etc... you'll have a better and more enjoyable time if you invest the money to get quality stuff. Unless your just going out to deliberately engage in a minimalist expierence. One should do research and purchase quality gear.
Thanks for the review. I really liked the stove.
Thanks, you sold me on this stove
I have the Winnerwell Nomad View large and small stoves. These stoves are amazing. The large stove uses 3.5in pipe. The medium is 2.5 and the small is 2.1. All of them are awesome at heating. Efficient and safe. The woolander like you have has three legs which is better for uneven ground but virtually the same except astestics.
"You're an idiot if you aren't starting your fire with a Lighter."
SPOT ON!!! From the man that was drafted by his wife to teach a class to her Girl Scout's Council's Leaders on how to Start a Fire...
In the Hoh National rain Forest.
The class started with, "Ladies, let me gift each and every one of you with one of the two most important Survival Tools you will ever own." And handed out a Bic to each attendee.
Someone asked, "But what's the other?"
And half the class pulled out and opened their knives.
I love those ladies!
That's good. People watch to many goofy Bear grylls fake survival shit. You shouldn't abandon common sense and throw all the things out that will make life easier because you can bang rocks together and start a fire. Maybe! Keep it simple, keep it smart and have a back up plan for all your first plans. And for God's sake. Don't wander around eating weeds and shrubs. That's a good way to die.
✌
I use the same stove in a 16' bell tent, great camping gear..
Appreciate the insight and review.
Regarding the cost...
Look, like you mentioned...there's plenty of cheaper options out there that will probably suffice, but the Winnerwell Woodland stove checks all the boxes except "packable and lightweight". I'm gonna be car camping with mine and it was an easy decision after watching all the videos reviewing the stoves and manufacturers...folding or not, titanium or stainless, glass or not, etc...and for a few hundred dollars more I have a "large" stove that is likely the best stove with viewing glass and checks all the boxes. I have a Tentipi Safir 7 with the Pro floor that cost me close to $3k. Again, there were other options available...much cheaper... but I did my research and found that this tent was arguably the best available regardless of whether the price is relative to its value...so I bought it without any regret and I'm extremely happy with my purchase. It looks as though I'm gonna be just as happy with this stove purchase. Don't really care what the detractors have to say about any of it being unnecessary, too expensive and a waste of money.
We all have or want things that are just unnecessary. I have really expensive watches. Completely impractical and I really can't make an argument to really justify it. But, I have them anyway, because I can. If the only criteria for having anything was that it was necessary, imagine how boring of a world that would be. Additionally, what would be the incentive to work more, to excel and to prosper if the only point of it all was to just to be able to obtain only that which is necessary. Buying excess crap that I dont need is its own form of earned happiness.
@@angrybeard4673
Funny that you responded today.
I just got back from my first official weekend using my expensive Winnerwell stove and water tank, lol. It was GREAT! Everything about it was great, and having hot water on hand whenever we wanted it was a real bonus. Can't wait to use it again during colder weather.
That's awesome to hear! Give us some details. Where did you go? How long were you out? What kind of tent did you use? What was the weather like while you were out?
Awesome video. I settled for the Russian bear market stove.
I've also going through the same process. I have narrowed it down to Winnerwell and the G stove. Your comment on the G stove about the oven I couldn't find any info on that other than I suspect it has something todo with the way it drafts inside at the back of the stove? I'm not really interested in cutting up really short logs and constantly feeding it as I'm sure most others would agree. You mentioned that you have a Grizzly tent and were going to set up a chimney in it. I have one of those tents to and would be interested in see how that worked out for you? BTW thanks for the video and agree with most of the comments.
Here is a link that shows the G stove with built in oven.
www.gstove.com/gstove/12002/gstove-cooking-view-camping-stove-integrated-cooking-oven-plus-glass-door
Just to clarify! My tent is a Kodiak canvas lodge tent. It is not a grizzly. Not trying to come across as snobby or short here. But I think it's important to be specific as there are undoubtedly tents out there that are called grizzly. So the kodiak canvas lodge tent comes with a built in stove jack. What I was referring to in my video was an alternative solution for the silicone stove jack boot that winner well sells. The drawback to the silicone rubber stove jack boot that they sell is that it requires you to poke holes in your tent fabric and attach wing nuts to secure it. My interest in poking holes in my tent fabric is less than zero. I havnt made the video yet for my idea because I live in Texas. Though the fall weather is arriving earlier than usual, it's still to hot here for me to go set up the tent and make this video. It is forth coming though.
@@angrybeard4673 Thanks for the response. Sorry my bad on the tent name, I did mean Kodiak canvas tent, not grizzly. oops. Mine didn't come with the roof jack unfortunately. I was considering just using the silicone roof jack from Kodiak but I am concerned that its enough heat protection around the jack itself. I have seen some videos of guys testing the chimney temperatures, and they were getting quite high. Like you, I really not fond of the idea of hacking up my tent. But if I am, I only want to do it one time, the right way !
@@angrybeard4673 Our Canadian site doesn't have this model. Now I understand what you were talking about. Not something I would want. Thanks again for the post!
Paul.
I don't know what kind of stove your using or will be using. Winnerwell sells double wall and/or triple wall pipe. In various diameters. Just buy one section of this pipe in the appropriate diameter. This piece of pipe should be the one that goes through the hole in your tent. It won't ever get so hot that you can't touch it. Hopefully this will be the solution for your situation.
Curious what your reasoning was to go with the Woodlander over the Nomad was? Great video!
That is a great question and one that actually has an answer. In this case. 3 legs are better than 4. The reason is that 3 legs do a better job of accommodating uneven ground as opposed to 4. If one of the 4 legs isn't reaching the ground, the stove is tipsy. With 3 legs you eliminate this problem.
Awesome video=new friend here
Thanks Dave. I appreciate it.
@@angrybeard4673 My pleasure- drop by my channel anytime
What kind of burn time can you get with this stove fully dampened down with a decent coal bed and a full load of hardwood?
Thanks!
Man... Now that is a really hard question to answer. Yet , such a simple question. Lol. I'm going to try. But I have to preface this for the others who may read it later.
First off. Hardwoods are the only way to go really. Hardwoods burn twice as long as soft woods. So you got the right first statement in your question.
Now I don't know where your located so I don't know what hardwood you have. Nor do I know if its seasoned. For the record. Not all Hardwoods need to be seasoned. Regardless even the ones that don't require it do tend to yield more heat if seasond for at least a few months. The gold standard for hardwood heat is oak. Oak can handle a couple of years of seasoning sometimes. But let's just assume your going to burn whatever you can scrounge on location and that it won't be seasoned. Which is fine. If you have been burning your stove and you fill it say 30 minutes before your going to sleep. If it's not antarctic cold and you can let it burn with the stove closed up or mostly closed up. I think you will likely see at least 6 hours of burn time. If your sleeping well and you have a good bag or blanket. I think you'll make it till the rooster crows. At which point you'll get up and open the stove up and it'll take off. I have been meaning to make a video of just the stove burning a full burn. But I've been sick with the flu so just havnt been up to it. I might do this tomorrow. 🤔 what a great question.
@@angrybeard4673 to answer your question I Live in central Michigan and plan to use a stove in my canvas center-pole tipi (17’ diameter by 10’ peak) any time cold weather permits, and have been looking for a stove that has the volume and control to heat us through the night on cots with good wool blankets in any weather. My criteria are minimum 4-6 hour burn time and packability by at least one person, which 30 lbs wouldn’t be impossible if pulled by sled or properly stowed on a frame. We do regularly travel to the UP so the Canadian border climate you mentioned applies. While We will also be often using seasoned fire wood for car-camping, whichever stove I choose will also be for emergencies. As you said, I can buy lighter, or heavier, and reap benefits and draw backs both ways. I think something in the 1500-2000 cubic inch range will be optimum assuming it’s portable enough, meaning 30 ish pounds or less. The stovepipe will have to be 11’ tall but all but the last foot will be inside the tipi so we will loose little to no heat to the pipe.
Presently considering the winnerwelll, Colorado cyl stove, and knico, all in the 30 lb range but the Winnerwelll has the edge as they produce all the stovepipe requirements to safely pass through the canvas stove jack (no rubber boot) without having to source additional hard to find components like 4” stovepipe hardware. Incidentally they’re also the most expensive all said and done.
Any insight from your experiences would be most appreciated, as as far as I can tell you’re the only you-tuber who’s going into depth on the WW Large.
Thanks!
@@McMacPaddyWhack
Alrighty. So we're going to answer this question today. I'll do a burn hot and fast then I'll load it up with mesquite and close it.. Which I just want to say for anyone who reads this some day. Mesquite is a super hard wood. Harder than oak and can be cut and burned without being seasoned. All those people who tell you not to burn it in your fireplace are without knowledge and they are wrong. They are technically ignorant and in my own expierence , at least half the time they are stupid. So. Just sayin! Mesquite is awesome. For burning anyway.
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With three legs did you see any tipping or stability issues
None. 3 legs are better than 4. 3 legs find and acquire greater stability on uneven ground as opposed to 4 legs
No damper on the stove pipe? It will burn wood too fast operating it without the thing closed. Like a vacuum cleaner. It should be on first pipe out of fire box.
There is a damper on the pipe. And it can be the first pipe out if that's what you prefer.
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Anyone have trouble with the glass cracking?
That's a legit concern. However in my research I couldn't find any complaints about the glass cracking. I can imagine a scenario where the glass gets broken from banging it around. Winnerwell sells replacement glass. Which obviously won't solve the problem while your at camp. Regardless. Breaking glass doesn't seem to be a dominant issue from my research. I havnt personally used the stove enough to speak from experience.
OK, second top-level comment, because I don't want either to get "Buried", but...
WHAT IS IT WITH ALL THESE STOVE MANUFACTURERS WHO WANT ME TO BREATHE ZINC FUMES???
BLACK STOVEPIPE EXISTS!!!
Well, I don't really know the answer to this question. It should be pointed out though. Zinc fumes are a by product of galvanized steel. The winnerwell stove does not use galvanized steel it uses stainless steel for both pipe and stove. Zinc fumes will not be emitted from heated stainless. Just don't buy galvanized steel.
3 legs for a wood burning stove, are you kidding me.
Nope. Don't knock it. It's awesome, super sturdy. Accommodates uneven ground better than a 4 legged stove and it has holes in the feet so you can stake it down if you want to.