My Chinese diesel heater running on kerosene
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2023
- Just my insight and views on my Chinese 5kw diesel heater running on kerosene , Using a 240v to 12v transformer to power it up, Running it for 2 years (winters) on kerosene.
A couple of points to take note of is since i did the video it was pointed out to me that there was no earth so i have now earthed the transformer, Also i didn't point out that during the summer i tend to fire my heater in for a few minutes every couple of months just to keep things moving.....wether this helps i don't know......Just thought it was worth mentioning, And one final point is before i power the unit down if I've been running it at half power i tend to turn it on full power for a couple of minutes to try and burn off any residue in the burn chamber..... Again wether this helps i don't know but all i can say is up until now I've had no issues.
Just to point out im no expert on these heaters so the way ive set mine up might not be totally correct, I suggest you find other information to suit the setup you require.
Deano, you can program it to 8Kw!!!
via the 'P' function.
you will lose some of the lower 'P' settings as a result.
If you want, you can set point it to 2Kw to help save fuel, but then you lose much needed heat.
I burst mine on 8k for 10 minutes, then dial it back.
Hope this helps
from
Australia
Thanks for the information, I'll look into it.
Hi, I just read your post and was interested in your comments about programming one of these to 8kw. Could you please share the process you used for this as I would like to try and boost the heat coming out of mine as at the moment on full speed it just isn't up to the job of heating my garage.
down to earth video WELL DONE.. I myself bought one for workshop 2 weeks ago and installed in an hour or so ( same set up through a tranny).. works a treat..got ANOTHER ..installed from outside into house...runs all night on number 3 setting for 5/6 hrs for 1 ltr kerosene ( heating oil ) = £1:05p ltr = 18 cel...does what I'm looking for..AND a THIRD one coming this week...I've a 3 bedroom 200 year old cottage ( very little insulation and 18" thick walls )..cost's me normally £35/40 a week to heat.I reckon to HALF that with these babies...THANK'S for showing
Thanks for you reply, Lots of people are now looking at ways of cutting heating costs and these units are a great way to help do that. More and more people will look at doing exactly what you are doing and installing them in their properties.
I imagine a 200 year old cottage is a pain to heat but these units will certainly help.... Again thanks for your reply.
I have just watched again and at 10-08..ur showing 11-6volts....well can I just say that on your transformer left side where low volts come out..there ia a green light
and to the right of this is an adjuster to increase the volts..I've tweeked mine up to 12-5v
Yeah thanks for that. I have seen this mentioned on other videos and wondered wether to tweak it but because I've had no issues in the past I decided to leave well alone.....
whats the advantage of increasing the voltage ? Is it just to eliminate any issue if the voltage dropped slightly.
@@dodgydino62 just something I picked up on.....a fully charged battery should be at 12.6/7 ( if used )..the screw is to change 12/24v...but they ARE noisey wee fkrs tho' ( when indoors )..when outdoors the are NOT as economical ( draws too much cold air
I find when i run it between 2 and 2.5 its not too bad but thats in my garage.... Cant say id like it in the house
Great job. Looks great. You did a fine job of talking us through all of it. Thanks !!!
Thanks for that.... appreciated
I put mine in a month ago, it runs into the back of the house, so I don't need to have the central heating in all the time. I warm-up at 3.5Hz, run at 2.4Hz. My unit is outside so the clicking is like an old mantle-piece clock, I get used to it. Insulation will save you tons of fuel, no point in wasting the stuff!
Good to hear you're all set up..... if I had mine to heat the house I would definitely put the heater in a box outside.
Regarding the ticking i think it's just something you get used to.
Thanks for the video, Deano! I've been running the exact same heater in my 12' X 24' shop for two winters now and I love it, way cheaper than electricity! I run mine on red diesel for now until I check the bulk kerosene prices in my area, Medford Oregon. Nice, clean install you did on yours. I put mine outside because I didn't want to hear it but I think they would be more efficient inside. Good job, nice video, thanks.
Thanks for the message, they are probably safer to install outside rather than in due to no chance of any exhaust gases getting in the building although I do have the carbon monoxide detector just in case.
Thanks again.
You need a battery backup just in case you have a power cut set power supply you have to 12.6v same as a battery and run a battery in parallel..
If the power goes out it will over heat with no fan to cool it down
Nice video Tidy Job
Thanks for the input.....Yeah i do know about the pros and cons of running with a second power supply, Like i said in the video im not saying my setup is correct its just the way ive done it. Ive read lots off instances where people have had sudden power loss and had issues after with the motherboard getting fried but then ive also read where people have had no issues.....wether thats down to how hot they were running at the time i dont know.
Because of how often i run mine the chance of power loss is very slim, In fact id say in the last 20 years ive probably had 2 or 3 power cuts in that time so hardly likely to happen.
If i was unfortunate and it did happen and i had an issue id probably just buy another motherboard/controller...... Its the chance you take.
I love this, thank you for the video
Glad you liked it
I'm using kerosene, I think it burns cleaner.
@@jazzsounds8159 I agree
Excellent video THANK YOU.
Thanks
Very nice set up. I wouldn't heat wrap the exhaust tube. I'd make a cage out of expanded metal to prevent people and things from touching it but still allow it to radiate all that otherwise wasted heat
Yes someone else has mentioned that....it is something I'm looking at.....just waiting to get my hands on some hopefully free mesh 😊
Hi Deano, I've just ordered a diesel heater to warm my two sheds up. I'm also running a hose into the bungalow to warm that when I'm not in the shed. I do have a wood burning in one shed but it takes too much room up and I only use it for around 2 months of the year so it's using the space I need. I've started video's again on making things,
All sounds good, Be intresting to see your setup ...if your'e on CZcams send me you link so i can subscribe.
You’ll get better efficiency if you route the combustion air inlet outside. Prevents vacuum forming inside of the shop causing cold air to be pulled in from cracks or seems ..
Thanks for the tips!
good video m8 no nonsense
Thanks
A video I saw said the diesel lubricates the dosing pump. Supposedly if you run kerosene to long it will wreck the pump seals. I did hear to run kerosene periodically to clean the internals.
There's a lot of conflicting advise regarding the pump and running kerosene.
The general opinion is it doesn't harm the pump because of the way the pump is built, lots of people seem to think it's the same type of pump as a diesel car and thats where the confusion starts.
Like I mentioned in the video I'm no expert by any means so take with a pinch of salt what I say.
I feel that if in some way running kesosene does harm the pump I'll buy another because they are only about £10....... in that time because I can get kerosene at half the price of diesel I'd have saved a lot more that 10 quid.
We run ours on processed waste motor oil. Admittedly the oil is pretty mint as we have a decent processor we built that chucks out very clean fuel. Heater runs with zero fumes & zero issues - cheapest heat going. We process oil in 200l batches & 200l lasts... erm, well we've hardly dented one batch through this heater, it uses so little.
In the big workshop we run our torpedo heater on the same fuel, it uses 2 gallons a day - again, with zero issues & zero fumes - but that thing chucks out crazy heat.
Thanks for the input.....Looks like you have an endless supply of fuel, All sounds very good
This is my 2nd year in mobile home same heater i put it outside and piped it in it works great
They are brilliant little heaters
Nice video Deano. Debating whether to buy one of these myself. I'll wait until Prime day to see if there are any deals. Keep it up mate. UTMP 👍
Just beware coming into winter prices might start to go up..... normally summer months are the best time to buy
Currently heating my main office with one now for 2 years, unreal job im currently running on a battery with charger but like your setup with transformer, have you a link for it or what make or description do I search for? thanks for sharing
Thanks for the reply, Just remember im only running on a transformer, others recommend running on a transformer and a battery in case of power cuts......
This is the item i brought....
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B072J97N8T?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_product_details
Useful little video ,thanks but to be clear there is a crossover in terminolgly, in the UK at least, between Kerosene and Paraffin. What are you actually using here?
I just know it as kerosene.....the place I buy from sells it saying its kerosene.
I have heard the term heating paraffin but not sure if heating paraffin and kerosene are the same thing.
Stick with home heating Oil only and the odd time add a little Dipetane to the fuel and that helps to keep the carbon down :) inside the burning chamber and in passing we us Dipetane into our trucks and it pays in the long run..
Never heard if Dipetane before you mentioned it.....
It sounds like it's a good additive.
Thank you that was my question if you can burn kerosene in it. My other question is can you mix kerosene and diesel oil?
and can you burn used vegetable oils like they do using it in diesel card 50/50 with diesel oil
Thanks
Thanks for watching....There's plenty of videos on CZcams addressing the questions you ask and yes you can certainly run the fuels you mention and people have mixed them.
Only thing id say is be prepared for a few issues regarding the heater clogging up with soot because of mixing fuels.
I think the good thing running on kerosene is its clean to run.
Have you managed to access the factory tuning setting (1688) and you can therefor turn the fan and pump speed up.
No I haven't.....to be honest I'm the type of guy that tends to not mess if things are going good
Not got one yet D, it's been on the todo list for well over a year but it's slowly getting closer to the top. Currently running a 2.4kw paraffin heater we used in France for many years with the fuel now coming from John Rice down in Blyth. Was 99p but it's now gone up to £1.50 😭The story was he wanted to keep his old pump in use and it wasn't capable of pricing any higher than 99p per litre. Now he's had the pump renovated, they've stuck a static paper zero on the right. Doh! Also running a very expensive Webasto diesel heater in the camper. Very nice and uses bugger all fuel but at 5 times the price of yours, I won't be getting one for the workshop👍 Cheers 🍺
Can the paraffin heater you have run on Kerosene?...If so that would be a cheaper option.
The Webasto heaters are supposed to be the dogs bo####ks, But like you say expensive. Obviously if you have one in the van you know all about these heaters.
Does John Rice in Blythe sell kerosene do you know? I've recently paid 85p litre at Stoddards in Cheadle for kerosene but i'm always on the look out for other places local that sell it.
@@dodgydino62 As far as know, Paraffin and Kerosene are the same thing but I have been known to be wrong before, just ask the wife🤣 According to Chat GPT, paraffin is derived from kerosene.
Paraffin: In some places, especially in the United Kingdom, the term "paraffin" is commonly used to describe a specific type of kerosene that is used as a fuel for heating and lamps.
Kerosene: Kerosene is a broader term used globally to describe a flammable hydrocarbon liquid. It is commonly used as a fuel for jet engines, lamps, heaters, and stoves.
So that's clear then 👍
@@Bloke-in-Stoke I know in America they use different terms to us in the UK, It all gets a bit confusing between heating oil and paraffin.....Like you say its probably the same thing.
All i know about paraffin is we used to play with those roadside lights the workmen used to leave in the street when we were kids, Remember them?....... Im showing my age now.😁
@@dodgydino62
I bought 12 gallons a paraffin here in the states, 6 years ago.
It was $12 a gallon.
As a prepper, these purchases are expected.
About twice the cost of kerosene.
I expect now, they're half again as much.
Thank you for the Vedio I got one of these heaters for my green house 6 months ago. Now that winter is approaching I am trying to set it up. I just cannot find out what power supply to use, i looked over the manual several times but I just do not see it. If you would what power supply should I use?
Im presuming you have a 12v one like the one i have..... if so some people use a 12v car battery or you can use the same as me which is a 240v to 12v transformer which was brought off amazon.
The instructions with these heaters dont seem the best, youre better off look at youtube videos for the same heater as yourself and following what they do.......Thats what i did.
@@dodgydino62 Thanks. Yes mine is 12-24v . Do you have an amps suggestion? I saw where you thought 30 was over kill. 30 would be fine for me I was just wondering.
People say you need a max of 12 to 15 amps but like you say i got the 30 amp..... Just purely because i didnt want it to fall short..... As they say a lot does a little.
I had read of others using the 30 amp version with no issues so i thought why not.
Just make sure if you go the transformer route there can be a toggle switch on the side switching from 120v to 240v......if in the uk you need to be 240v
check out this guy about wiring one up czcams.com/video/6Y89vY5fmeU/video.html
Hi Deano, I have also just purchased one of these 5kw heaters and set it up in my single garage workshop. Mine is set up to run on kerosene and that combustion intake is ducted outside and air inflow through impeller is inside. Cant say i get anywhere near the results i was hoping for as even after running the unit for about 2 hours on maximum setting my temperature in garage only went up by 4 or 5 deg Celsius. My garage is fully insulated, walls and ceiling with hardly any drafts.
How hot is the air coming from one of these supposed to get?
With an ambient air temperature inside my garage of about 4 deg celsius I could easily hold my hand in front of it at full speed for a long duration without getting too hot.
Id be interested to hear from yourself or others about this as i have nothing to compare it to with it being my first diesel heater.
Not sure what to say really..... the only difference I can see from my setup is my intake is inside the garage rather than out so I'm heating warmer air.
My heater gets quite hot so I can't say I'd be able to hold my hand in front of the outlet for too long.
Kerosene does tend to burn slightly colder than diesel but there's not much in it
It seems at times people do have issues with output being low.... there is a way to increase output in the service menu but its not something I've really messed with.
Thanks for your reply. I had it running again today for about 150 minutes and going by the lcd screen, the temperature went up by about 6 degrees Celsius. So started at 4 deg and 150 min later ended up at 10 deg. I reckon it would slowly keep climbing if I ran it longer but I felt I wasn't quite at the stage of wanting to remove my jacket to carry out some work in there.
My verdict so far; The heater does work and will make a difference to the air temperature as long as your not in a hurry to do so.
I'm hoping someone else reading this will share any advice for upping the fuel delivery rate if this is indeed possible in the hope that more fuel = more heat = warmer workplace.
One thing you can do is check how efficient your heater is.
Burning Kerosene you should get 10.3kw of heat per litre.
Run your heater at its max for one hour then measure how much fuel you've burnt in that one hour. So if you've used 500ml then you've roughly pumped out 5kw of heat but if you've used less then the heater isn't burning enough fuel, might have a blockage or a dodgy pump.
Obviously it's all based on the kwh your heater is, most of these Chinese heaters are 5kw or 8kw
First use of new heater today new pump diesel,,tried it twice and it smoked like a genie on a vape loads of white smoke, is that normal ?
They can sometimes smoke at the start due to over priming....
It should burn off any excess fuel when it's been running for a bit then the smoke will disappear
So qite a few people make sand batteries from the exhaust by runing the exhaust through sand and then out the sand picks up the heat and slowly releases it.. and you make the most of the heat from the exhaust.
Sounds interesting
You'll find out using a 20 ltr drum from outside your shed will be best and not having to top up as often with that small tank on the unit. I have two drums one to change over it makes life easier also if you shop around you can buy oil at the pumps for around 80 pence a litre.
Thanks for the input, for how much fuel i get through during the winter months its not too bad having to fill my small tank, At the most its only once a week so not too bad.
Ive shopped around local to me and theres very few places that seem to sell kerosene, It seems its the more rural places that tend to sell it.......Well thats the impression i get, So getting it at a cheaper price i tend to struggle.
@@dodgydino62 These so called diesel heaters are originally designed to run on kerosene, much cleaner burning.
A friend who has operated trucks for 20+ years, mentioned that when they start acting up, on diesel, the repair station, will run them 4 hours on kerosene, if that doesn't clean up the problem, they are torn down and cleaned/examined for the root of the problem.
So, they will burn MOST oils, but need to run at least once, 24 hrs straight on kerosene, during the heating season, to cut down on fouling issues.
Best wishes from Northern Canada.
@@carlthor91Diesal here in Southern California is roughly $6USD a gallon and to get kerosene here is about $14USD so Diesal it is but I will get a gallon of kerosene to run through it annually as you have said. A good maintenance run at the start and end of the cold season, not that cold actually 😂, should keep the heater running good for years to come.
@@oldrango883 I know, I lived in SoCal, as a child, back in the late 50's. Visited family there until the mid 70's.
@@carlthor91 some intresting information....thanks.
I've only ever ran mine on kerosene and found it to burn very clean with no smoke.
Have you tried using mineral spirits
no i havent
How is it when you burn #2 fuel oil that an oil furnace runs on?
Sorry im not sure what youre saying
@@dodgydino62 Hi Deano, The fuel oil we use in the states, they call #2 oil.
Since I switched to a propane furnace I use to heat the house, I still have
some #2 oil left over.
I'm pretty sure, #2 oil is very similar to kerosene or diesel. Just wondering
if anybody has used this type of fuel.
@@georgiebearpaws can't say I've ever heard the term #2 oil so not sure which oil it compares to in the UK.
These 5kw heaters are only 70% efficient, so in effect it is a 3kw heater, they use a lot of fuel, but still cheaper than the ripoff electric charges......
Add some 2 stroke oil if using kero, to lubricate the pump...50:1 ratio works ok for me.
Mine was actually sold as an 8kw but from what I understand there's no such thing.....
Running mine for the purpose I use I find very economical so can't complain....like you say a lot cheaper than the current utility bills.
Thanks for the input.
Where are you buying kerosene from?
Cheadle in staffordshire
Couple of observations, the exhaust and burner air inlet should both go outside, also the 240v connections on your power supply should be covered and not accessible also you need to earth the power supply.
Thanks for the input, The power supply is already covered, I did mention it during the video that the cover was removed just while i did the video, If you look at the picture that shows on CZcams where you click to see the video you can see the cover there.
The earth connection i've since done, Someone in the comments did highlight it to me so i sorted it out.
As far as the air inlet, i wasn't sure what to do, Some people say its required to go outside well away from the exhaust outlet where others say its best to recirculate the warm air otherwise your'e dragging cold air in and having to heat it......Basically its more cost effective to do the way ive done it....
Thanks for the information, Much appreciated.
Just installed similar one of those. Like you I'm taking air from the inside rather than drawing in cold air. I think the argument is that if you recirculate the air from your workshop it produces negative pressure. A bit like when you have a coal fire causing draughts as it sucks fresh air in. I'll continue to keep it inside as workshops/sheds are not as sealed as say your house might be.@@dodgydino62
You need a vattery back up as if u get a power cut the heater will burn out as it cant cool down properly.
Hiya Paul, I do know about the implications of running without a battery backup but i suppose its a chance you take.
All i can say is for me personally i only run it for short periods when im in my shed and ill be honest i cant remember the last time we ever had a power cut so chances are very slim.
For the cost of the parts for these type of units even if i fried the motherboard i reckon i could get it back up running for less than 30 quid so like i say its a chance i take.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the reply.
How many amps is your inverter
30 .... bit over board but the bigger the better... so the missus says 😂
I knew someone would eventually ask size of investor! Cheers ordering one for my tonight from you know where, probably be here in morning then setting it up in my porch which is freezing and allows damp!
Hi can’t see any Earth wire on your setup
Hiya....Thanks for pointing that out, I wired it up the way i had seen on social media but since you pointed it out i have now earthed it.
Like i said in the video im no expert on these heaters so thanks for your input.
Where did you buy kerosene? I'm looking on the net and the price is like £1.6/l
I brought it from a local garage from the pump..... buying online like from amazon etc is expensive
@@dodgydino62 yes it is. I'll try to shop around. Thx
If you go on chinese diesel heater uk on facebook there a guy that posts a map of the uk with places that sell kerosene and red diesel..... It normally goes out of date pretty quick and then wont load so you will have to ask for an up to date link.
@@dodgydino62 ordered one today. Thank you 👍
@dodgydino62 do you mind telling which fuel station you had your kerosene from? From other comments I gathered you were local to stoke, many thanks.
stoke on trent ? Fenton,,longton?
Yeah.....How can you tell?
🤣🤣🤣@@dodgydino62
Good post ,dodgydeano ,
Thanks 👍
kerosene IS diesel, basically. At least up here in the far north the kerosene they sell is chemically the same or close to. I'm running one of these in my shop, using diesel because it is cheaper than kersosene here
Its amazing the difference in price throughout the country for kerosene, It can more or less double depending on location.
@@dodgydino62 it is exactly 5 dollars/gallon here right now, where off-road diesel is around 3.20 dollars. They both contain the same amount of heat so you can bet which one I'm buying right now.
@@escapetherace1943 in the UK we use white diesel for on road cars etc, red diesel for agricultural vehicles and then kerosene which is heating oil. The more expensive is white diesel which is approximately £7.20 a gallon (£1.69 ltr) which equates to nearly 9 dollars in the USA.
Red diesel is cheaper but harder to get since a recent change in law and kerosene is also hard to get and is sold mainly in rural areas....im lucky and can currently get kerosene for 85p which works out at £3.82 a gallon... (4.68 US dollars)
@@dodgydino62 We also use white diesel for cars and red diesel for offroad or for heat. White diesel here is around 3.60 USD and red is 3.20 USD. I am rural and both the gas stations in my town offer red diesel. Here anybody can pump it you just aren't supposed to put it in your car, obviously because it doesn't have road taxes on it.
I can not imagine paying 9 dollars for a gallon of diesel but I am aware the UK is fucked. Even at 4.68 I would be raging. At least because Kerosene and diesel don't get bad with age like gasoline does, you can pump as much as you want and keep it around indefinitely. May as well when it's 'cheap'
My diesel heater works great in my 12 by 30 addition, you're not supposed to run them on kerosene you're supposed to run them on diesel kerosene has no lubricity to it. I paid $79 for mine and I complain to the seller and they refunded me $45 so I got mine dirt cheap
Hi thanks for the reply, Yeah ive read all the stories about running on kerosene and for someone saying you can theres someone saying you cant, But also ive read there are two different types of kerosene..... I honestly dont know.
All i can say is ive only ever ran mine on kerosene and had no issue until now, Also if the pump died on me because of a lack of lubrication (because thats what people say) i can go and buy one for less than £10 and i can guarantee ive saved a lot more than that over the time running kerosene....
For me there are two advantages that i can see running kerosene, for one its two thirds the price of diesel and two it burns with no smoke.
Theres no rights and wrongs as far as i can see, its what ever we all feel comfortable with.
Where are you getting your kerosene from I can’t find it for price you state £1.05 a litre ?
A garage in Cheadle local to where i live....Although im expecting a bit of an increase next time i go, Last time i brought some was a few month ago. Ive seen people buying for as little as 85p a litre, I think it all depends where you live
I see on Amazon etc it’s about £37 for 20 litres. Are you getting it from a pump or prepackrd in plastic containers. It’s under 90p a litre through companies that come fill tanks up
@@morayr6 I buy mine from a pump, i rock up with a couple of containers and just fill up. Im told its normally only rural/semi rural or boat yards that tend to sell at the pump.....
Dont heat wrap the exhaust thats just wasting heat, put a curved sheet of bare steel behind it and a perforated guard around the front instead to radiate the exhaust heat out into the garage.
I see what your saying and it makes sense but I have small grandchildren and just like to play it safe.... its very rarely if ever they are in there but I'd just rather be safe than sorry.
@@dodgydino62 Fair enough I understand your concern, but that is what the mesh would be for, when I said mesh I wasnt implying a roll of chicken wire but a roll of heavy guage mesh that doesnt bend under accidental contact - plus it would be curved around and around a foot away from the heat source itself, the heat you are currently not using is radiated infra red heat which has the ability to heat an object to some degree a fair distance off.constructed correctly it would be completely safe. none the less thank you for taking the time to reply.
@@usernamesreprise4068yeah I get where you're coming from and it makes a lot of sense.....certainly something I'll look at.
Thanks for your input.
You are better off looking at what your internal casing temprature says on your remote controll and i always try to keep that high so it burns off all the soot, or stops it been deposited in the first place..
Hey up Martin, Thanks for the info.
Im not really sure where to get that information, Like i said in the video im no expert..... The unit was basically straight out of the box and setup so everythings set to default.
What i can say is its running very cleanly from what i can see with no smoke at all from the exhaust, Also after ive been running it i read its always best to turn the unit up full pelt for a few minutes before turning it off to help burn any residue in the burn chamber..... And thats what ive been doing.....RIGHTLY or WRONGLY.
I do read a lot of horror stories of people having issues but all i can say in the 2 years plus ive run mine using Kerosene its been very good with no issues...... I might just be lucky, I dont know.
Pump shouldn't definitely be that noisy...
It's actually not that noisy..... just sounds it on the video
I've seen several videos and pumps don't make any noise like yours????