Great vids brother and a new sub too now..! Just curious how well insulated your shed is and perhaps showing a thermometer of inside and outside temps..? Just a thought, oh and how much does the actual fuel tank for the unit hold..? Love, respect and cheers from Canada 🇨🇦🙏👍🍻
Really appreciate your taking the time to do the tests. I'm in the process of building a camper van and was looking at buying one of these diesel heaters as my night time heating source. You're awesome my friend. Take care and enjoy your day.
Thanks for making your Diesel Heater videos, they've been really good watching, and very interesting. I really appreciate the effort you've gone to, cheers👍👍👍
Thanks very much for doing the tests,i recently got a second hand one for the workshop and rigged it up to blow into the house for a test,i was that impressed i ordered a new one for the house and will use the older one in the workshop,these last few evenings its only been on No2 and kept it comfortable,i'll give it a full blast every couple of days.Subscribed.
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC I wonder if you can compare this to electricity usage? I used the numbers supplied by the mfgr, which seem to agree with yours, and found that the "2kw" model used (US) $0.158 per kwh and the 5kw used $0.126 per kwh. My local cost for diesel averages $5/gal. Our local utility charges $0.14kwh. I realize electricity is somewhere around quadruple the cost in Europe right now, and that you can reduce the fuel cost by mixing used oils with the diesel, and that makes the economics quite variable. Interesting video, thanks.
Thanks for these trials,I am considering on of these heaters for a greenhouse mostly at night,will take your costs and try and calculate a three month usage feb/April ,congrats on your subs,just pressed the bell👍👍
Thanks very much ..the channel is more about van life really , I've sold the van and waiting for my next one .. looking around for one but there all high milage ones..
Really interesting tests - quite economical really aren’t they - you’ve definitely got me thinking of getting one now 😀 Massive congratulations on 1k subs too 🎉 All the best, David 👍
This has to be one of the best video's yet on diesel heaters. Many thanks pal ive now mine on alpine mode. Ive subscribed also as very informative work.
[From the UK, November 2022] Thanks for these videos sir! These heaters are the dog's bollox - they really are. I come from having fitted an Eberspächer Airtronic D2 in my Landrover Defender 110 (2002 plate), in 2002 - & it was about £2k then, fitted. For those who wonder - these 'cheap Chinese' heaters are 𝘯𝘰𝘵 'theft' (the way Honda clone engines are) - but are a result of the original patents by Eberspächer & Webasto expiring. It turns out further that this is Karma on them - as apparently they colluded to price-fix & keep these amazing devices very expensive. Anything to get word out about how fantastic these things are - is a great service! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
That's a really good series of accurate practical tests you have done, shows what to expect great for planning ahead thanks for sharing... great video 👍🏻
Great video! I have one in my Transporter and I love it. Noisy start up but then extremely quiet when up to temp. Nice to know roughly how much it's using, so thank you for making the vid!!
Thanks for doing that. I was not aware of the Alpine mode! I have been running one of these under the stairs in the house for 3 years now, it mostly runs flat out and gets our cottage up to 23 deg no problem. Bliss on a winters morning! I have recently put another in my small workshop which i am sure will benefit from using the Alpine mode.
alpine mode is good , but and theres always a but .. carbon build up can happen so dont forget to run at full blast for half hour a week to burn excess carbon off
Great video thanks. New subscriber. You are nearly at 2000subs. Won't be long until you have 50k subs. You take the Time to explain everything very carefully and correctly. Best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪. Happy Christmas to you and your family 👪 and subscriber's
Thanks for the pin code. You gave me the idea to try this. Start machine, go into settings 1688, and adjust first setting the min hertz (.8) then ok. Next set high hertz by lowering it (starts at 5000 or so) and listen for pump slow down to slowest click rate, mine went lowest at 4.0 hertz. hit ok set lowest fan speed and highest fan speed available. Then in normal mode, lower temp or (check hertz setting) mine falsely reads 1.2 hertz, because I counted 72 clicks per minute and that works out to .81 hertz. I found out most pumps of this type deliver .022 litres per click. So now my 5k heater is now only a 4k heater but who cares, the 900 watts .8 hertz makes is plenty for my needs and bonus should be 15 hours and 47 mins per litre. I would like to see this experiment on 100 mil it should get 1hr 34 mins.
I'm building a tiny house in a remote area next summer (2023) and plan to use a diesel heater as a backup heat source. I will try your info and hope to get the same result! Thank you for this.
Great test and accurate too. I have similar heater in a 7+ meter motorhome. Usage is inline with your results. I run on 5+ hz to warm up and then at 3hz if very cold while up, then on low overnight. A huge saving compared to gas heating and uses a fraction of the power, which is important when off grid. Also run on kerosene same as my home heating ,so get in bulk (cheaper). It burns cleaner though slightly less BTU, but you would not notice. The fuel is stored outside the motorhome in 15lts container, as it stinks 🦨 more than diesel. Thanks for you great video.
thanks for the coment , used one in my large iveco camper and it worked a treat .. ive ran this on Parafin ,which is the same or very close to Kerosine
Insulate your shop and you would be toasty. Thanks for the test. It saves me the bother... when I went off grid in 1997 I used a generator to charge the batteries about every ten days as the solar setup could not keep up in wintertime. I added fuel to the generator in 1 gallon increments and had a timer plugged into the generator. I also kept a watt meter in line and tried to maximize its use by doing laundry and charging all my tools, etc etc. I got the diesel use to 1 quart per hour which was about half what I was told I would use. When you measure something you actually reduce your usage. Most people are clueless and waste double or triple what they actually need. Count me as a new subscriber.... Adios.
Good series of videos bro, thanks, with electricity hitting 54pkw/h in UK and propane going up, it looks like very a reasonable device to run.. you've helped me make my mind up to install one in my caravan, thanks.
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC no worries, thanks for the feedback :) I was thinking that's the simplest way to go, and I'm installing the heater tomorrow, so perfect timing.. cheers
Excellent tests there mate and even though I lived in a van that I fitted a diesel heater in and now living on a boat with one I never knew about the Alpine mode. At todays diesel prices that’s information well worth knowing thank you 👏🏼
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC Yeah totally agree I started doing the same when I had the van after it needing a new glow plug. It did suffer from noisy bearings but I used that one a lot with a period of it running constantly for two weeks solid. One I fitted in the boat about 6 months ago is getting put to good use in this -5 on the river today. Great videos mate just subscribed so keep them coming.
21.82 hours per gallon, about $6.62 per 24 hours, USA November 2022😊 I bought one of these to put in a 1972 single axle travel trailer, nice to know, thanks!
Congratulations 🎉 on 1k, In the interest of science 😁 can I ask if you could make video on different fuels that can be used to run these heaters or a combination of fuels and the costs?
Great vid, thanks for sharing. A 2000w fan heater is currently costing 1p per min to run at 28p per KW hour., ie: 60p per hour, and this heater is costing give or take, 20p per hour, in alpine mode, possibly not quite so warm as a fan heater, but not that far off. and only 23p per hour on number 1 setting. ( on red diesel at £1.40 a litre ) So glad I have just last week, bought a diesel heater for my shed, before they started to sky rocket, now that winter is biting ,plus the cost of fuel rocketing as well of course. Regards Paul UK
cheers Paul . my electric is 33p a kw and i thought i was on a good deal . i dont think alpine mode is enough heat for a shed . probebly 1 to 3 will be. .. still much cheaper and its pay as you go as well , no big bills,, see next video of me trying to heat the uninsulated shed Terry
I live in a (small 2 berth) caravan at the moment and in an exposed area. I bought a 5kw Vevor heater. I don’t think a 2kw would be enough, but it may just do. When the temp is 1 degree in the morning..you need to have it on full chat for a bit😬
Think one of these will be going in the workshop and put the exhaust through an old cast iron radiator for the wasted btu’s should warm a 4x3 workshop nicely. Thanks for the efforts it’s appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC thanks for the advice and have just been reading comments, i will probably just not mess with it in this weather as with my luck i will break it lol!
Thanks for the great review from Tasmania, Australia. Just checked the diesel prices here and the local servo I use has it at 231.9 cents a litre for standard diesel and 233.9 cents for a litre of premium diesel. According to Google that's 1.30 pounds sterling and 1.31 respectively. I have never bought diesel but there's an additional six cents a litre off petrol at the servo for regular customers so I assume that would apply to the diesel too.
Look on your pump and see what it's pump volume per stroke is. 5kw heater is generally 0.022ml per stroke. So running at low and around 1.6hz you will be using :- 0.022 x 1.6hz x 60 x 60 = 126.72 ml / hour. Add your actual values for pump and Hz pump is running at and you have the fuel used. 👍
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC I done a math based fuel consumption vid a while ago, but it is more fun watching it use 100ml on a timer. Enjoying the channel, keep up the good work.
I've just bought a 5Kw version to heat my house. I'm really impressed with it so far, they really do chuck a lot of heat out for not much fuel usage. Mine was £133 off Fleabay (Dec 2022)
Interesting vid 👍 One thing, alpine mode us for use at altitude where the air is thinner, the idea being the heater would run rich with less air and the usuall amount of fuel being injected, messing with mixture at low altitude csn cause the unit to soot up 🤔 although diesel has a wide stoichiometric band going too far outside the band will cause sooting of the burn chamber, it the reason a lot of users run the unit flat out once a month to burn out the soot 👍
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC that's what i recommend to peeps who's heater I've serviced (due to sooting up) but wether you just use up the diesel you saved I'm not sure 🤔 I'm certainly no guru I've only installed and fixed 20 odd, it's just what I've surmised over the last 2 years or so, more expensive units have better control algorithms, cheaper ones really need a good old blast out occasionally, just like modern diesel cars need ragging every now and then to clear the soot out 👍 Your doing a geat job helping peeps understand these things 😎 keep it up chap 👍
@@Dirt-Diggler cheers mate for the advice and info ... maybe save money if you blast the soot out only on cold days LOL , kill two bird with one stone ...
I run mine for a good while on alpine but there was an odd smell and I did end up with a burnt out burner chamber ,now wether it was caused by alpine mode I don't know ,good video , only thing I would add if its -10 outside in a large Motor home you would likely need the heater on full to keep up ,so the setting level its relative to temp 👍
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC don't worry about it, think about it logically. Apline mode is because it would be running too rich at altitude. You are making it run lean and getting less heat but it will all be burning. Its the other way round you have to worry about.. running it rich at altitude. Mixed reports on burning the soot out but the consensus seems to be that it doesn't work
as stated.. awesome video on fuel usage regardless of the slight unknown on your part. . alpine mode is high altitude mode , this leans out the pulse (fuel mixture) to account for the less dense lower oxygen air.. this at sea level will destroy your burn chamber and screens over time. Alpine mode should not be activated unless you are over 3500/4000 ASL. As far as running the machine full boar, it will clean some sooty deposits in the chamber but not the screen in the back of the chamber where the hard deposits build up. It is better to run the proper mixture to avoid this.. 10 years running and servicing these amazong tools of heat. you cant clean soot with a map gas torch or even acetalyne\oxygen sometimes , you wont do it with a hot chamer'. there are a couple groups on facebok if you want more info on tuning these for best efficiency. cheers
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC Sorry I have a question...when I turn off my diesel heater after use, the fan speed slows down for about 10 seconds and then speeds up to high for about a minute....does yours do the same? I ask cause this cool down cycle is different than my old heater ...where if I turned it off the fan would immediately go on high for a full minute...and I dont want to fry my ECU board.
Just after watching this I set mine to alpine, it instantly lost 28 degrees off the burner temperature on the h3 which mine was running at, upped it to h6 and the temperature kept dropping, not enough fuel for the fan speed,at the sea level settings, switched off the alpine setting and the temperature shot back up, having run these heaters for the last 3 years, what is critical for long term use is to set the heater to give optimum heat at low settings, but that heater, like my current unit doesn't allow for the settings to be changed, not without a change of motherboard and controller, and that should restore my fuel usage to my last heater 👍
I know what you mean ... in my van I never used alpine mode .. low setting was perfect .. I just blasted it on full now and again to burn excess carbon off
Thanks for taking the time to do this video 👍 what type and amp hour is the battery that you are using in the video? Roughly how long will it run the diesel heater for ?
It's a 95 amp battery . The heater once all fired up draws approx 3 amps...I just stick it on trickle charge every night..the one my van is on solar so I don't need to touch it ..
I run my diesal heater on the lowest setting to keep my 11x8feet insulated shed warm, I mostly run it on kerosensor, and sometimes mix used cooking oil from my deep fat fryer
I just bought a 2kw heater for my mini van. Hoping it is more efficiant then the 5kw one you are using. I saw someone with a 5kw in the same van as mine and said it was overkill for the little van and roast him at night. Need it to work in negative temps. Will be better than propane.
Just for a ballpark figure, there is about 10 kw of energy per liter of diesel. From your results it looks like about half of the energy content is going to the exhaust. A heat exchanger could recover some of this heat, but would complicate everything and may lead to other reliability problems. I expect to have one of these 5 kw heaters installed in a simi-insulated barn soon, so iI might experiment with my system.
No wonder the factories install coolant heaters and radiant heaters to run off of a diesel heater, instead of warming up air and circulating it around. It's simply not efficient enough. Too much disappears through the exhaust. I'd recommend getting a kit from "bobil heater". They have water heater kits, so you can utillize the energy gathered from the heated water too.
Great video. Can you comment on how much battery power is needed to run the diesel heater please? And if you know what size solar panel would run enough charge back in to the battery as thinking of buying one of these for my shed. Cheers.
Thanks for the video, excellent work. I run 2 heaters on kerosene and get 8 hrs each per ltr on the lowest setting. I've not altered them. Can you do a video on lowering the settings? It's too warm unless it's freezing. I can turn it up then if needed. Thanks Gkyn
Thanks for the video... you can put a code in to change the pump settings to 0.8 beats per second as opposed to the 1.4 beats per second which is the lowest setting H 1 .. only problem is after a long while of running it on this 0.8 setting it tends to carbon up inside and down the exhaust pipe .. because it's not quite hot enough to burn of the carbon .. I would imagine this will happen if you use it on alpine mode continuously.. might be a good idea to crank it up for half an hour every now and again to burn the carbon out.. also maybe trying out heating oil instead of red diesel. As it's about £0.75 per litre just now. There is a bit more energy in it too.. cheers
one thing you can try to increase the flame temperature to prevent soot build up while running on low is to obstruct the air inlet. i created a cylindrical jacket of tape around the outside of the air inlet filter that i can slide up and down to expose more or less inlet holes. i know many diy videos say never obstruct the air inlet, but you can test it yourself using the case temperature reported by the heater and a separate CO meter. partially blocking the air inlet caused the case temperature to increase and brought my exhaust CO from 80-100ppm down to 0ppm indicating i was getting more complete combustion.
@@jm47 if you obstructing the air inlet, you are puttig unnecessary stress to motor that drives fans, so motor will last less. There are controllers that can be set up correctly by changing fuel rate in Hz and RPM of motor, that will give you leaner mixture and less carbon builtup.
The only thing that matters is pump pulses per secon(hz) each pulse delivers a dose of 0.022ml. Pulses per second x60 x 60 x0.022 gives you ml per hour. divide 1000/ml per hour to get runtime per litre. You can use an app to accurately measure pump frequency.
Great vid...how long does a 12v battery last running the heater,at what point,[lowest]voltage wise will it stop running the heater..keep up the good work
i am doing a test on the draw / amps it uses in a video soon , i am waiting in the post for the amp metre tool that tells me .. i am sure its pulling less than 3 amps when running but will know for sure ,soon as the amp metre arrives. so a 100 amp 12volt battery will last 20 hours at a 60 percent depletion of the battery ..i keep mine on a trickle charger
Great video thanks - can I ask are you able to set the thermostat at say 5 degrees celcius so that if the temp goes lower than 5 it will turn heater on for x number of minutes and so on....?
No I've not seen that setting .I have looked for this and can't find it... if you set the temp at 5 degrees while it's running it will go to its lowest setting when 5 is reached but won't turn off. It will increase in power if it drops below 5 but it never turns off when it's reached
Thanks for the fuel consumption test. How many amps is the fan drawing from the battery on those low settings? Does the battery you have last for a couple days without charging or do you need to charge it each day?
The battery draws 6.5 amps until the glow plug goes out .(for about 4 minutes) then it ticks over at about 1.5 amps .. It's a 100 amp battery ..its on trickle charge all the time .. It would last over 50 hours if I never charged it easy..
Brilliant content mate, How was warm was the shed on alpine mode? Gotta say these little heaters are a hot deal, makes me wanna buy a van to convert into a mini camper.
THIS IS A 5KW HEATER ... FORGOT TO SAY IN THE VIDEO🙂🙂🙂
Great vids brother and a new sub too now..!
Just curious how well insulated your shed is and perhaps showing a thermometer of inside and outside temps..? Just a thought, oh and how much does the actual fuel tank for the unit hold..?
Love, respect and cheers from Canada 🇨🇦🙏👍🍻
@@alnear4953 the shed has Zero insulation. The tank is 10 litre.
Your right I should get a thermometer, good idea
How much does the 5Kw per hour electricity cost over the 5.8 hours?
@@Jimmie16 a lot
@@Jimmie16 5 kW costs 1.50 a hour
Mines on alpine mode now ure videos are first class. Thank You
thanks very much ....😀😀😀😀
Really appreciate your taking the time to do the tests. I'm in the process of building a camper van and was looking at buying one of these diesel heaters as my night time heating source. You're awesome my friend. Take care and enjoy your day.
your welcome .and get it fitted it will keep you toastie warm all night
Thanks for making your Diesel Heater videos, they've been really good watching, and very interesting. I really appreciate the effort you've gone to, cheers👍👍👍
your wellcome . i might do one more on different fuels .i.e parafin / veggie oil / engine oil diesel mix .etc
I subbed your channel! You tested EXACTLY what I wanted to see and clearly laid out too. Job well done sir, keep 'em coming!
Thanks very much ..
Thank you for taking the time to run the tests. I've been looking at them for my own workshop and think they offer a great solution. 😃😃
yes there great for a workshop ...
Thanks very much for doing the tests,i recently got a second hand one for the workshop and rigged it up to blow into the house for a test,i was that impressed i ordered a new one for the house and will use the older one in the workshop,these last few evenings its only been on No2 and kept it comfortable,i'll give it a full blast every couple of days.Subscribed.
brillian idea in the to warm house
This is the information I was looking for. Thank you for posting.
Thanks very much .. glad it helped
Spot on brother with the clear and honest calculations. That's the kind of stuff we need to be seeing. Thank you.
thanks very much .. glad you liked it ..take care
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC I wonder if you can compare this to electricity usage? I used the numbers supplied by the mfgr, which seem to agree with yours, and found that the "2kw" model used (US) $0.158 per kwh and the 5kw used $0.126 per kwh. My local cost for diesel averages $5/gal. Our local utility charges $0.14kwh.
I realize electricity is somewhere around quadruple the cost in Europe right now, and that you can reduce the fuel cost by mixing used oils with the diesel, and that makes the economics quite variable.
Interesting video, thanks.
Great vid Terry. Very informative.
Congratulations on getting to 1000 mate...you deserve it..!!
Cheers
Thanks Gaz . hope you are well . still havent found a van , still looking though ..be back on the road soon i hope
Thanks for these trials,I am considering on of these heaters for a greenhouse mostly at night,will take your costs and try and calculate a three month usage feb/April ,congrats on your subs,just pressed the bell👍👍
it will work very well in a greenhouse on low probebly .
good luck
Nice simple and interesting test. Thank you for posting.. Congrats on reaching the 1k.. Liked and Subscribed. 👍 👏👏☘
Thanks very much ..the channel is more about van life really , I've sold the van and waiting for my next one .. looking around for one but there all high milage ones..
Really interesting tests - quite economical really aren’t they - you’ve definitely got me thinking of getting one now 😀
Massive congratulations on 1k subs too 🎉
All the best, David 👍
Thank David... hope you and Rachel are doing well...
All the best mate
This has to be one of the best video's yet on diesel heaters.
Many thanks pal ive now mine on alpine mode.
Ive subscribed also as very informative work.
Thanks very much
Congratulations 🎉 on 1k, & thanks for a great video
Thanks very much...
Thanks for the video and the effort dude. Much appreciated. I've got myself a similar one on order now!
you wil be toastie warm soon
[From the UK, November 2022] Thanks for these videos sir!
These heaters are the dog's bollox - they really are.
I come from having fitted an Eberspächer Airtronic D2 in my Landrover Defender 110 (2002 plate), in 2002 - & it was about £2k then, fitted.
For those who wonder - these 'cheap Chinese' heaters are 𝘯𝘰𝘵 'theft' (the way Honda clone engines are) - but are a result of the original patents by Eberspächer & Webasto expiring. It turns out further that this is Karma on them - as apparently they colluded to price-fix & keep these amazing devices very expensive.
Anything to get word out about how fantastic these things are - is a great service! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
well said ..thanks
That's a really good series of accurate practical tests you have done, shows what to expect great for planning ahead thanks for sharing... great video 👍🏻
thanks very much , looks like quite a few people found it useful
Great video! I have one in my Transporter and I love it. Noisy start up but then extremely quiet when up to temp. Nice to know roughly how much it's using, so thank you for making the vid!!
thanks very much for the comment , glad you enjoyed it ..
Awesome! Congrats on the subscribers! Brilliant!!
thanks very much ..😄😄😄😄
Very interesting set of results there. Thank you.
Your welcome .thanks for watching and the comment
Excellent testing. So many people could benefit from those units. I’m ordering mine in the morning!
great stuff you will be toastie warm
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC now you’ve done it, time to make some toast lol.
@@gordonmitchell729 enjoy
Thanks for doing that. I was not aware of the Alpine mode! I have been running one of these under the stairs in the house for 3 years now, it mostly runs flat out and gets our cottage up to 23 deg no problem. Bliss on a winters morning!
I have recently put another in my small workshop which i am sure will benefit from using the Alpine mode.
alpine mode is good , but and theres always a but .. carbon build up can happen so dont forget to run at full blast for half hour a week to burn excess carbon off
Great video thanks. New subscriber. You are nearly at 2000subs. Won't be long until you have 50k subs. You take the Time to explain everything very carefully and correctly. Best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪. Happy Christmas to you and your family 👪 and subscriber's
Happy Xmas and have a great 2023
Thanks for the pin code. You gave me the idea to try this. Start machine, go into settings 1688, and adjust first setting the min hertz (.8) then ok. Next set high hertz by lowering it (starts at 5000 or so) and listen for pump slow down to slowest click rate, mine went lowest at 4.0 hertz. hit ok set lowest fan speed and highest fan speed available. Then in normal mode, lower temp or (check hertz setting) mine falsely reads 1.2 hertz, because I counted 72 clicks per minute and that works out to .81 hertz. I found out most pumps of this type deliver .022 litres per click. So now my 5k heater is now only a 4k heater but who cares, the 900 watts .8 hertz makes is plenty for my needs and bonus should be 15 hours and 47 mins per litre.
I would like to see this experiment on 100 mil it should get 1hr 34 mins.
Wow 15 hours a litre, that's super economical and enought heat for a van .I must set mine up like that.
ive pinned the comment to the top for others to see ..cheers good info
hertz = cycles per second, 72 clicks per minute = 72 / 60 s = 1.2 hz
I'm building a tiny house in a remote area next summer (2023) and plan to use a diesel heater as a backup heat source. I will try your info and hope to get the same result! Thank you for this.
@@DiabloOutdoors for a tiny house I think a standard out the box setting will be best ...
thinking about getting one of these for my garage but couldnt find any decent info on fuel consumption but you just nailed it, thank you
your welcome mate , glad the video helped , thats why i do them . Thanks for the comment
Just waiting for mine to arrive for my 16x8 garage. PSU from amazon wired in and red diesel bought, hoping it does the job.
@@mikejames4271 I am sure it will be toastie warm...
Got to get one of these for my garage/workshop. Ace video :)
thanks very much , should work great in the workshop
Ty sir for the accurate Test. This was very hellpful .
glad you liked it .. atb Terry
Awesome work ❤thank you for taking the time and effort to make this video 😊
Thanks very much ...
Nice, was looking for something like this. Cheers!
a great heater . i have one in my van its brilliant
Hey yo thanks for the info & congrats on 1k
Thanks .
Great test and accurate too.
I have similar heater in a 7+ meter motorhome.
Usage is inline with your results.
I run on 5+ hz to warm up and then at 3hz if very cold while up, then on low overnight.
A huge saving compared to gas heating and uses a fraction of the power, which is important when off grid.
Also run on kerosene same as my home heating ,so get in bulk (cheaper).
It burns cleaner though slightly less BTU, but you would not notice.
The fuel is stored outside the motorhome in 15lts container, as it stinks 🦨 more than diesel.
Thanks for you great video.
thanks for the coment , used one in my large iveco camper and it worked a treat ..
ive ran this on Parafin ,which is the same or very close to Kerosine
Insulate your shop and you would be toasty. Thanks for the test. It saves me the bother... when I went off grid in 1997 I used a generator to charge the batteries about every ten days as the solar setup could not keep up in wintertime. I added fuel to the generator in 1 gallon increments and had a timer plugged into the generator. I also kept a watt meter in line and tried to maximize its use by doing laundry and charging all my tools, etc etc. I got the diesel use to 1 quart per hour which was about half what I was told I would use. When you measure something you actually reduce your usage. Most people are clueless and waste double or triple what they actually need. Count me as a new subscriber.... Adios.
Your right I must get round to insulting my shed.. the roof has a leak and is covered with a plastic sheet ,I will fix roof then probably insulat it
Got this very model didn't know about alpine mode just switched it on 👌a great heater even better now 😎
Don't forget once a week blast it on full for 15 minutes to burn excess carbon off.. it helps the keep the chamber clean..
Good series of videos bro, thanks, with electricity hitting 54pkw/h in UK and propane going up, it looks like very a reasonable device to run.. you've helped me make my mind up to install one in my caravan, thanks.
perfect for a caravan .and low setting should be just fine
Thanks, just out of interest, what are you using as 12v supply?
@@edpalmer4812 sorry missed this coment ... i,m just using a poor car battery at the moment , i keep it on trickle cahrge
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC no worries, thanks for the feedback :) I was thinking that's the simplest way to go, and I'm installing the heater tomorrow, so perfect timing.. cheers
Thanks for the info, my broth bought a 5kw he will appreciate this. James
Thanks ...no problem
Thank you for taking trouble to show us all this,,,, I'm busting to fit mine now
great thanks for watching .. get it fitted and enjoy the cheaper heat
Excellent tests there mate and even though I lived in a van that I fitted a diesel heater in and now living on a boat with one I never knew about the Alpine mode. At todays diesel prices that’s information well worth knowing thank you 👏🏼
no problem , i would still blast it once a week on high to burn excess carbon . i blast mine for 20 mins, i have had no bother from the one in van ,
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC Yeah totally agree I started doing the same when I had the van after it needing a new glow plug. It did suffer from noisy bearings but I used that one a lot with a period of it running constantly for two weeks solid.
One I fitted in the boat about 6 months ago is getting put to good use in this -5 on the river today.
Great videos mate just subscribed so keep them coming.
@@LimitlessLifeAfloat cheers
Thank you Sir it is appreciated...from Canada
No problem , thanks for watching.
Excellent video mate :)
cheers , glad you liked it
Maths, spot on my friend, thank for this test, got me thinking of taking out my Calor gas heater.
Cheers mate ..probably cheaper than gas..
Awesome testing. thanks.
thanks very mch Skysurfer ...
Brilliant video going to order one in the morning
Nice one..
21.82 hours per gallon, about $6.62 per 24 hours, USA November 2022😊 I bought one of these to put in a 1972 single axle travel trailer, nice to know, thanks!
your gallon is smaller than ours in the uk .we have 4.54609 litres to a gallon i believe your is 3.78541 litres to a gallon
Great video. Noticed your Stockton on tees recycling bag 😂 I’m in Stockton too
Nice one .
Congratulations 🎉 on 1k, In the interest of science 😁 can I ask if you could make video on different fuels that can be used to run these heaters or a combination of fuels and the costs?
Great suggestion! i have been thinking about the fuels i could use in the heater ..
Awesome test!
Thanks very much ...
Thankyou. This is exactly the information I was looking for!
Brilliant..thanks for watching
Brilliant video mate, that's a fair fuel saving over a full tank, if low is too hot for your van/space.
Cheers :)
thanks very much.. Alpine mode is handy to know. Over 10 hour extra on a 10 litre tank ... cant be bad
Great vid, thanks for sharing. A 2000w fan heater is currently costing 1p per min to run at 28p per KW hour., ie: 60p per hour, and this heater is costing give or take, 20p per hour, in alpine mode, possibly not quite so warm as a fan heater, but not that far off. and only 23p per hour on number 1 setting. ( on red diesel at £1.40 a litre ) So glad I have just last week, bought a diesel heater for my shed, before they started to sky rocket, now that winter is biting ,plus the cost of fuel rocketing as well of course. Regards Paul UK
cheers Paul . my electric is 33p a kw and i thought i was on a good deal . i dont think alpine mode is enough heat for a shed . probebly 1 to 3 will be. .. still much cheaper and its pay as you go as well , no big bills,, see next video of me trying to heat the uninsulated shed
Terry
I live in a (small 2 berth) caravan at the moment and in an exposed area. I bought a 5kw Vevor heater. I don’t think a 2kw would be enough, but it may just do.
When the temp is 1 degree in the morning..you need to have it on full chat for a bit😬
Great video fella
Thanks very much stranger ...haven't heard from you for a while.
Awesome vid!
Thanks very much ...
Great informative vid and your not sponsored or trying to sell any 👍makes a change on youtube
i have been approched by a company , to promote there diesel heater .. i am not ready for all that stuff
Thank you for the concise test
Afzaal.M.
Pakistan
No problem .thanks for watching
Great work. It's nice to know, thanks 👍🏻
No problem... cheers
esti foarte ok omule si multumesc de aceasta prezentare . bravo si multumesc. ro sub
mulțumesc foarte mult
Think one of these will be going in the workshop and put the exhaust through an old cast iron radiator for the wasted btu’s should warm a 4x3 workshop nicely. Thanks for the efforts it’s appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼
Good idea to run the exhaust through the radiator ..
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC I’ll let you know how it plans out
@@kinglouiesshed8995 yes please let me know how you get on..
Great video. I did video showing how much battery power these use. On start up, during running and on the cool down.
intresting . i will have a look
been waiting for this
nice presentation and good maths
thanks Mr Milkman . hope it was worth the wait
👍 congratulations
Thanks 👍
Wow i didn't know about alpine mode, cant wait to try this!
Give it a blast on high once a week for 20minutes to burn excess carbon off..
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC thanks for the advice and have just been reading comments, i will probably just not mess with it in this weather as with my luck i will break it lol!
Thanks for the great review from Tasmania, Australia. Just checked the diesel prices here and the local servo I use has it at 231.9 cents a litre for standard diesel and 233.9 cents for a litre of premium diesel. According to Google that's 1.30 pounds sterling and 1.31 respectively. I have never bought diesel but there's an additional six cents a litre off petrol at the servo for regular customers so I assume that would apply to the diesel too.
your getting cheaper diesel than us.. road diesel is 1.86 a litre and none taxed red diesel is 1.35 at the moment
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC where can you buy red diesel from i am in Northamptonshire in the rural areas.
That's a hell of a lot cheaper than over here at the moment
@@paulturner6081 do a Google search google for GAS OIL. Or try some of the Gulf forecourts .
Thank you! This helps.
glad to help ...take care buddy
Great vid. Would be interesting to see this done on a 2kw heater which is what most in vw transporters and smaller vans have. On both high and low
Unfortunately I don't have a 2kw heater... I've fitted a 5kw in my small van .. its a bit overkill.
In reality there's little difference. The 5kW heaters aren't really 5kW!
But they work well regardless!
Look on your pump and see what it's pump volume per stroke is. 5kw heater is generally 0.022ml per stroke. So running at low and around 1.6hz you will be using :-
0.022 x 1.6hz x 60 x 60 = 126.72 ml / hour.
Add your actual values for pump and Hz pump is running at and you have the fuel used. 👍
correct .. but more entertaining in a video
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC Also verifies the figures - Chinese companies have been known to spin the stats - Western companies too (eg VW) 🙂 !!!
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC I done a math based fuel consumption vid a while ago, but it is more fun watching it use 100ml on a timer. Enjoying the channel, keep up the good work.
@@itsallfabrication thanks very much
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC sorry for the delay but you are exactly right. 👍
Excellent useful info 👌 👍
Cheers ....
Proper science 👍
Ha ha , not quite..
I've just bought a 5Kw version to heat my house. I'm really impressed with it so far, they really do chuck a lot of heat out for not much fuel usage. Mine was £133 off Fleabay (Dec 2022)
Nice one ..I'm thinking of doing the same in my house
Great vid thanks........
no problem . thanks for the comment
Interesting vid 👍
One thing, alpine mode us for use at altitude where the air is thinner, the idea being the heater would run rich with less air and the usuall amount of fuel being injected, messing with mixture at low altitude csn cause the unit to soot up 🤔 although diesel has a wide stoichiometric band going too far outside the band will cause sooting of the burn chamber, it the reason a lot of users run the unit flat out once a month to burn out the soot 👍
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC that's what i recommend to peeps who's heater I've serviced (due to sooting up) but wether you just use up the diesel you saved I'm not sure 🤔
I'm certainly no guru I've only installed and fixed 20 odd, it's just what I've surmised over the last 2 years or so, more expensive units have better control algorithms, cheaper ones really need a good old blast out occasionally, just like modern diesel cars need ragging every now and then to clear the soot out 👍
Your doing a geat job helping peeps understand these things 😎 keep it up chap 👍
@@Dirt-Diggler cheers mate for the advice and info ... maybe save money if you blast the soot out only on cold days LOL , kill two bird with one stone ...
I run mine for a good while on alpine but there was an odd smell and I did end up with a burnt out burner chamber ,now wether it was caused by alpine mode I don't know ,good video , only thing I would add if its -10 outside in a large Motor home you would likely need the heater on full to keep up ,so the setting level its relative to temp 👍
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC don't worry about it, think about it logically. Apline mode is because it would be running too rich at altitude. You are making it run lean and getting less heat but it will all be burning. Its the other way round you have to worry about.. running it rich at altitude.
Mixed reports on burning the soot out but the consensus seems to be that it doesn't work
as stated.. awesome video on fuel usage regardless of the slight unknown on your part. . alpine mode is high altitude mode , this leans out the pulse (fuel mixture) to account for the less dense lower oxygen air.. this at sea level will destroy your burn chamber and screens over time. Alpine mode should not be activated unless you are over 3500/4000 ASL.
As far as running the machine full boar, it will clean some sooty deposits in the chamber but not the screen in the back of the chamber where the hard deposits build up. It is better to run the proper mixture to avoid this..
10 years running and servicing these amazong tools of heat. you cant clean soot with a map gas torch or even acetalyne\oxygen sometimes , you wont do it with a hot chamer'.
there are a couple groups on facebok if you want more info on tuning these for best efficiency.
cheers
Good job!
Cheers
Super helpful, thank you!
Great . thanks for watching
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC Sorry I have a question...when I turn off my diesel heater after use, the fan speed slows down for about 10 seconds and then speeds up to high for about a minute....does yours do the same?
I ask cause this cool down cycle is different than my old heater ...where if I turned it off the fan would immediately go on high for a full minute...and I dont want to fry my ECU board.
@adamheeley285 I know what you mean , it's normal mine does the same ... the older ones had a different cool down process
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC thanks, that is great to hear, cheers mate.
Very interesting video.
cheers .. sold my van so doing something a little different till i get my next van ... soon i hope
Just after watching this I set mine to alpine, it instantly lost 28 degrees off the burner temperature on the h3 which mine was running at, upped it to h6 and the temperature kept dropping, not enough fuel for the fan speed,at the sea level settings, switched off the alpine setting and the temperature shot back up, having run these heaters for the last 3 years, what is critical for long term use is to set the heater to give optimum heat at low settings, but that heater, like my current unit doesn't allow for the settings to be changed, not without a change of motherboard and controller, and that should restore my fuel usage to my last heater 👍
I know what you mean ... in my van I never used alpine mode .. low setting was perfect ..
I just blasted it on full now and again to burn excess carbon off
You should put a digital thermometer in the shot too so we get an idea of temperatures - I’m looking at these for heating the garage
Be great for the garage ..
Thanks for taking the time to do this video 👍 what type and amp hour is the battery that you are using in the video? Roughly how long will it run the diesel heater for ?
It's a 95 amp battery . The heater once all fired up draws approx 3 amps...I just stick it on trickle charge every night..the one my van is on solar so I don't need to touch it ..
I run my diesal heater on the lowest setting to keep my 11x8feet insulated shed warm, I mostly run it on kerosensor, and sometimes mix used cooking oil from my deep fat fryer
Yes cooking oil will work no problem . Especially mixed with kerosene or diesel...
Damnit! I spent an hour looking for the “Airplane” mode setting on my heater before realizing the thumbnail says “Alpine” mode.
Ha ha never mind mate you got there in the end.. I should have made the words bigger
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC oh no. I need glasses lol.
That alpine mode is in the 3 blade controller, not the more common 6 blade controller.
Damn. Almost 24 hours per gallon here in the states! That's not bad at all!
You can get in the settings and turn it down a touch to get the full 24 hours
20% longer in Alpine. Sounds like a winner!
I just bought a 2kw heater for my mini van. Hoping it is more efficiant then the 5kw one you are using. I saw someone with a 5kw in the same van as mine and said it was overkill for the little van and roast him at night. Need it to work in negative temps. Will be better than propane.
i might be buying a 2 kw when i get my van .. i had a large van and 5 was perfect, i am now looking for smaller van so it might be a 2kw
very informative my friend,i have something similar
thanks .
Thank you for posting these heater videos.
Would it be to much to ask what the hot air temperature is on the low and alpine settings?
It was coming out at 80 degrees centigrade on Alpine and 95 on low..
Good vid, like n sub.
thanks mate ...
Good video, would have liked to know the outlet temperature on all modes for comparison.
I might do that in a video soon .. cheers
Just for a ballpark figure, there is about 10 kw of energy per liter of diesel. From your results it looks like about half of the energy content is going to the exhaust. A heat exchanger could recover some of this heat, but would complicate everything and may lead to other reliability problems. I expect to have one of these 5 kw heaters installed in a simi-insulated barn soon, so iI might experiment with my system.
i think the diesel heaters are overated more like 4 kw probebly
No wonder the factories install coolant heaters and radiant heaters to run off of a diesel heater, instead of warming up air and circulating it around. It's simply not efficient enough. Too much disappears through the exhaust. I'd recommend getting a kit from "bobil heater". They have water heater kits, so you can utillize the energy gathered from the heated water too.
110 down to 10 might be easier if you do anything like this again? Nice test :)
@Vanflippingtastic It would be interesting if you compared a clean out on low vs alpine mode low see how the difference in shooting up..
would be an interesting video
Great video. Can you comment on how much battery power is needed to run the diesel heater please? And if you know what size solar panel would run enough charge back in to the battery as thinking of buying one of these for my shed. Cheers.
On my van I had a 150 watt solar panel and it kept battery topped up ..after initial start up it draws around 3 amps ..
Thanks for the video, excellent work. I run 2 heaters on kerosene and get 8 hrs each per ltr on the lowest setting. I've not altered them. Can you do a video on lowering the settings? It's too warm unless it's freezing. I can turn it up then if needed.
Thanks
Gkyn
if you have the same contoller as mine , im having trouble getting into the setting . sorry
Thanks for the video... you can put a code in to change the pump settings to 0.8 beats per second as opposed to the 1.4 beats per second which is the lowest setting H 1 .. only problem is after a long while of running it on this 0.8 setting it tends to carbon up inside and down the exhaust pipe .. because it's not quite hot enough to burn of the carbon .. I would imagine this will happen if you use it on alpine mode continuously.. might be a good idea to crank it up for half an hour every now and again to burn the carbon out.. also maybe trying out heating oil instead of red diesel. As it's about £0.75 per litre just now. There is a bit more energy in it too.. cheers
I can't get hold of small quantities of heating oil.. I alway burn my heater once a week on full for half an hour to burn excess carbon.
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC cool man 👍
one thing you can try to increase the flame temperature to prevent soot build up while running on low is to obstruct the air inlet. i created a cylindrical jacket of tape around the outside of the air inlet filter that i can slide up and down to expose more or less inlet holes. i know many diy videos say never obstruct the air inlet, but you can test it yourself using the case temperature reported by the heater and a separate CO meter. partially blocking the air inlet caused the case temperature to increase and brought my exhaust CO from 80-100ppm down to 0ppm indicating i was getting more complete combustion.
@@jm47 nice one thanks for that .. will give it a shot...
@@jm47 if you obstructing the air inlet, you are puttig unnecessary stress to motor that drives fans, so motor will last less. There are controllers that can be set up correctly by changing fuel rate in Hz and RPM of motor, that will give you leaner mixture and less carbon builtup.
The only thing that matters is pump pulses per secon(hz) each pulse delivers a dose of 0.022ml. Pulses per second x60 x 60 x0.022 gives you ml per hour. divide 1000/ml per hour to get runtime per litre. You can use an app to accurately measure pump frequency.
yes you are correct .
Correct. but...what is the total Kw generated figure ?
Hi. Great Video, Can to say what was the Temperature coming out of the end pipe,
i havent got a device to measure that .. i must get one and test it
Good vid. How long does the car battery last before recharging again. 👍
the heater draws 2 amps when running , i have a 100 amp battery. i just leave it on trickle charge .i guess it would last a good few days
Great vid...how long does a 12v battery last running the heater,at what point,[lowest]voltage wise will it stop running the heater..keep up the good work
i am doing a test on the draw / amps it uses in a video soon , i am waiting in the post for the amp metre tool that tells me .. i am sure its pulling less than 3 amps when running but will know for sure ,soon as the amp metre arrives. so a 100 amp 12volt battery will last 20 hours at a 60 percent depletion of the battery ..i keep mine on a trickle charger
Great video thanks - can I ask are you able to set the thermostat at say 5 degrees celcius so that if the temp goes lower than 5 it will turn heater on for x number of minutes and so on....?
No I've not seen that setting .I have looked for this and can't find it... if you set the temp at 5 degrees while it's running it will go to its lowest setting when 5 is reached but won't turn off. It will increase in power if it drops below 5 but it never turns off when it's reached
@@VANFLIPPINGTASTIC ok thanks for checking 👍 would be a nice feature to have for storing my jetski in a container during the winter.
Thanks for the fuel consumption test. How many amps is the fan drawing from the battery on those low settings? Does the battery you have last for a couple days without charging or do you need to charge it each day?
The battery draws 6.5 amps until the glow plug goes out .(for about 4 minutes) then it ticks over at about 1.5 amps ..
It's a 100 amp battery ..its on trickle charge all the time ..
It would last over 50 hours if I never charged it easy..
Thanks for letting me know, placing an order for one now.
👍👍😎
Cheers
Brilliant content mate, How was warm was the shed on alpine mode? Gotta say these little heaters are a hot deal, makes me wanna buy a van to convert into a mini camper.
not warm enough in alpine mode .i need to run at h3 for my shed ,,theres no insulation in there. a camper only needs h1 , and thats more than enough