Group of 5 Schools Are Looking to Create Its Own College Football Playoff | CFB
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- David Smoak, Paul Catalina, and Craig Smoak discuss their thoughts on Group of 5 schools potentially looking to create its own postseason playoff backed by private equity, what this means for the future of college football, and more.
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I love the idea of a G5 playoff. Let them play for something that can help build their brands. I'd watch it.
No one else would, it would be like the NIT. These schools left the FCS specifically to AVOID this. It would be a slap in the face to every one of their fans. And Oregon State and WSU would be absolutely robbed in this scenario. Relegated for no reason and then booted from CFB entirely.
@@kylewilson2819 it wouldn't keep them from the CFP. The best G5 team will still get a bid. Sorry but OSU and Wazzu is screwed anyway. Yalls only hope is getting a bid to the ACC once FSU/Clemson leave. People would definitely watch because a playoff game between Boise State vs App State is more compelling than those same 2 teams playing in the Bad Boy Mowers Bowl. If the other option is getting left out of the postseason entirely, it will be a net positive for the G5 brands.
@@newyorknole2225 What bowl game is Boise State most known for?
The answer to this question proves that your argument is inaccurate........
Cuz Boise State actually played higher ranked teams both prior to and after this bowl game, and yet these bowls are not going to be your answer
@@MattBuild4 Boise State would have gone to the CFP if it existed back then. I still think that the best G5 should go to the playoff. I actually think the CFP should expand so ALL conference winners can compete in it. Unfortunately that's unrealistic because the people making the decisions care more about making as much money as possible instead of growing the game.
The G-8 College Football Spring League would be badace.
This is probably the end game result. As a Memphis fan, I'm all for it since we're on the outside looking in, as long as the top G5 team gets the auto bid to the P3 CFP. Let the best of the G5 rest have something to play for.
That’s already the case with CFP 12 team expansion
Memphis can buy its way into the ACC like SMU
I’m so tired of this I would watch the group of five playoffs over the other. To them it’s not so much about the money but the opportunity to play for a title. It’s what college football use to be like. But that’s just me. Others will think differently
Do you think that the players for Alabama or Oregon or Purdue feel any different? I'm sure they want to win championships just as much as the guys who play in the MAC. The players and coaches aren't exactly the ones making these decisions.
Yeah, because the team you route for is in, the group of five, that’s why you would watch it
@@philstamper4542 actually I’m a BYU fan, which in its self was a group of 5 school as an independent though they played a bunch of power 5 schools. A lot of these group of 5 school players aren’t going pro, not like the power 5 kids. So it is a bit different.
@@timothymbess oh I agree on the decision part. But the kids now in the power 5 are in it for the NIL. The small amount of players from G5 that transfer to P5 are trying to make a shot at the pros and make some NIL money. How many P5 kids go down to G5. Very very few. ESPN is the driving force on this so I get it, you go where you can get paid and maybe make the pros
I totally agree but all I ever watch is FCS and group of 5 Football anyway!!! I say do it G5!!!
As a G5 fan, I would never watch a single CFP or P5 game again -- Same way I don't watch NFL, I wouldn't have any interest in a league my team doesn't play in
I've been waiting for the G5 schools to do this. There is so much GREAT football played outside of the P4 and their is a vastly undeserved audience for fans that support G5 schools. I Do think mainstream TV and streaming coverage of the regular season is key in addition to the playoff. If they can achieve that, It should be possible for G5 schools to make 5-10 million minimum on this. I think their is an opportunity for the top G5 schools to play in the CFP and this playoff to still happen.
I like the idea of G5 schools taking control of their destiny versus having the B10 and SEC dictate the future to these schools. Show the P4 that they aren't the only game in town!
“College version of the XFL is a trash take”
NFL - XFL is a way larger gap than P4 vs G5
No what the sec and Big are turning college football into is more of an xfl when all other fans stop watching them
@@pat08mullins There are loyal fan bases in the G5, meanwhile I can’t name 1 XFL team and their fan bases are a couple years old maximum. It’s a lazy take. North Dakota State, SDSU and Montana pack out there stadium and will continue that. And they are a level below G5.
I would absolutely watch. The G5 is good football, and there are recognizable brands. Gives players a chance to be seen, make NIL money, open up their transfer possibilities to bigger programs,.
-I’d rather see a smaller play in tournament to get to the cfp though.
Sometimes Paul, you say the stupidest sh*t
If possible with schedule, Itd be awesome to have 5 G5 champs + at large G5 have mini playoff for the one G5 spot
If my team was not in the power 4 I will definitely be down for it and I would support my team 100 %
It would really be like the NIT in basketball
That's not true. The NIT now takes more Power programs just with terrible records.
It would be nothing like the NIT
I'd be *way* more inclined to watch that than the actual CFP.
If this did come to fruition you could also expect some of the top FCS programs who were hesitant to join the FBS to join in this arrangement.
I'm not a g5 fan but i would definitely watch this. I'm much more interested in this than anything than the sec or big 10 is doing.
Terrible take. The SEC and B1G is about to take the best schools from ACC and BIG 12. You’re definitely going to be interested when that happens.
@@nathanneumayer1447 Not if my team is left out. Most fans only care about their teams and will tune out if they get relegated for no good reason. Look at Seattle with the NBA or St Louis with the NFL. Those cities RESENT the NBA/NFL, and every school left behind would be the same way.
@@nathanneumayer1447everyone in the US doesn't have to be interested in major college football
I will watch every college football game I can outside of the SEC/BIG10.
The G5 should have their championship games a week early. After that the two highest ranked champions play each other for the Group of 5 National Championship AND a bid to the CFP. This gives the G5 teams a championship to play for while also not giving up access to the CFP
2023 Liberty vs SMU
2022 Tulane vs Troy
2021 Cincinnati vs Louisiana
2020 Cincinnati vs Coastal Carolina
2019 Memphis vs Boise State
2018 UCF vs Fresno State
2017 UCF vs Boise State
2016 Western Michigan vs Temple
2015 Houston vs Western Kentucky
2014 Boise State vs Marshall
What happens if you have two undefeated teams or two teams deserving to make the playoffs? In a 12 team playoff, both 2020 UC and CCU should have made it.
@@MattBuild4 Yeah that’s interesting, the game can be played just for the auto bid. It doesn’t disallow them from getting at-large bids. Also I see no year in the future where the committee ranks 2 G5’s that high that only happened in 2020 because Washington dropped out of the PAC 12 championship bc of COVID and was replaced by Oregon who ended up winning and being ranked 25. No other year in the CFP era where 2 G5 champs ranked higher than a P5 champ.
@@scottyclayton2501 I feel that instituting these kinds of games is the polar opposite of what the G5 has tried to accomplish. We havent had near the same level of talent of teams as existed during the BCS era, but the objective should be to get back to that point. The entire thesis that G5 teams should even be elligible to play for major games in the post season was only made possible by what teams accomplished in the BCS era to force the argument.
Now to agree to this format where the top G5 teams play for a play in for the worst spot in the conference seems like pandering to be thankful for the least that is owed to these conferences. You go back to 2009 where you had #4 MWC champ play #6 WAC Champ in the Fiesta Bowl and that game was seen nationally as a consolidation prize, because both teams got brutally snubbed from a national championship game of which they were both undeniably deserving (#4 playing more ranked teams than Texas, and #6 beating more Top 10 opponents than anyone other than Bama and both teams having the best offense and best defenses in the country). Now it seems like were fine with even worse options than that.
I feel like agreeing to these options invalidates and makes what the G5 went through in the BCS seem like it for nothing.
@MattBuild4 I’m literally a Boise State fan lol. I find it just as insulting but the reality is that the P4 especially the B1G/SEC is always going to push us down forever. I would almost rather be a separate division then have 65 teams play for 1 spot.
Of course there would be money for this. Why are there 40 bowl games? Who's paying for those? And interest would be greater as well.
Would you rather watch a meaningless bowl game? Or a playoff to crown a champion?
And everyone acts like these schools have no fans. They may not have as many as the big conferences but enough for it to be worthwhile for the sports channels.
And I think the Big 10 and SEC are risking losing a lot of money by pushing to separate themselves.
Right now with college football, there are 134 teams at the highest level. And many of the fans of all of these schools care about the championship because they are technically a part of it. But if they get left out, many of these fans won't give a crap about the Big 10 SEC championship.
Many college football fans will resent these conferences for ruining college football. And they won't want to watch the NFL G-League.
Even now, college football maintains a different quality than a professional league. But if the Big 10 and SEC turn themselves into NFL junior. I think college football fans will stop caring about these games. I know I would, and my school is in the power 5.
It's not like the alumni bases of the top schools are that much bigger than the G5. The ratings for an SEC or Big 10 game depends on a lot of casual fans from across the country tuning in. But if they give the middle finger to the rest of the country, they better hope that the markets of their member institutions can hold up the ratings, because the money may begin to dwindle as the rest of the country no longer care about the NFL minor league that destroyed college football.
The arrogance of these conferences is disgusting. I have always wanted there to be a march madness style tournament for college football. It should have been 16 teams, all conference champions and the rest at-large. Seeded by some kind ranking. Why it has taken so long to get to 12 is ridiculous. All these greedy people, who only care about money, have left 10s of millions behind because they didn't realize that a 16 team playoff would boost overall interest and ratings and money would have gone through the roof.
The smaller conferences should make their own playoffs. I think they would get more money out of it and have something to truly play for. I know I would watch it.
Let the Big 10 and SEC pretend to be AAA NFL, I promise I won't watch that. If I want to watch the pros, I'll watch the NFL.
(From Peter in Australia) Another way of looking at it, is this 'Alternative National Championship' is maybe it's a replacement for the current Bowl system? Excluding the Bowls involved in the CFP, the rest are meaningless Exhibition Matches, with a number of them featuring G5 schools, as currently the best they can really hope for post-season. Having the G5 play for it's own championship now gives some meaning to the post-season games for this G5 schools, and may even help their recruiting. Ask yourself this question - if you were a good QB - not great, but good - would you rather be recruited by a Big12 or ACC school that is predicted to struggle, or a G5 school that might be flying and on track to compete for the Alternative National Championship?
The problem is there are still several G5 programs that are consistently better than many teams in the B12 and ACC, yet they lose on recruits because they cant make the real championship game (not necessarily by talent, but by the corruption of the sport).
they can easily do a bowl game playoff setup, but with only conference champions against each other. Even if they don't do their own, they can start off small with a bowl between two conferences that are in the same region. Sunbelt vs the American for example or Mac vs Mounttain West
The FCS does it. Of course it will work
We should just have a 16 team playoff with 9 autobids for all the conference champs.
I think you're saying that ONLY because FSU was left out of the CFP last season. FSU has a state of arrogance almost matching the SEC. 4 to 5 playoff appearances in the next 7 years and everyone associated with FSU will say the hell with the G5
@@TheJasonJackson84 nope. I'm saying that in spite of less autobids being beneficial to my team. Giving more opportunities and exposure to smaller programs is better for the sport as a whole. A rising tide raises all ships.
@@newyorknole2225 actually the autobids currently go to the top 5 or 6 ranked conference champs. There's no automatic that the ACC champ will be one of the top 5 or 6 ranked conference champions in the current setup. What you're suggesting gives the ACC champion, maybe FSU, an automatic spot no matter where they are ranked. Essentially meaning more of an autobid for FSU.
I would rather see the G5 crown their own champion, establish their own 16-0 or 15-1 champions. The big boys are constantly sullying the taste of college football for me because it's more about tv contracts and money than trying to attain the best play on the field.
@@TheJasonJackson84 I'm well aware of how the new CFP format works. I'm also well aware of how the committee routinely under ranks G5 teams. There would need to be multiple undefeated G5 teams and the ACC and/or B12 would have to be an unmitigated disaster for their champions to get left out, (like 3/4 losses) and even then they would probably squeek them in over an undefeated Sunbelt/MAC/CUSA champ.
Idk why you are even arguing with me. It sounds like have the same frustrations and we want the same thing
@@newyorknole2225 there's definitely no argument but your point definitely lacked the logical point I mentioned.
Giving the G5 a fair chance in the polls is where it all starts and ends. But I am skeptical that most fans of P4 teams will continue advocating for G5 teams to have a fair shot at a national title when their teams chances are securely established on an annual basis.
4:04 Clarifier Smoke thats DIII not FCS.
We kind of do it for basketball with NCAA Tournament and the NIT. Maybe do something similar with football?
G5 and power 5 are together in the NCAA tournament. UCONN is group of 5 and they are able to win it. There is not the large gap in talent with basketball as there is with football.
Remember, prior to playing for the national championship the only thing teams had to play for were the bowl games. So for G5 schools maybe they take over the bowl games to make their money or use bowl games as a part of their own championship series.
Except with how the payout rules are made and how G5 teams have historically been selected to bowls they will never make enough money. Remember back in the early 70s, University of Toledo accomplished the 2nd longest winning streak ever in the sport - 42 straight games over 4 years. You now how many major bowls they made during this streak? ZERO.
Since teams have even been allowed to make the bowl games, the G5 had to sue the league through the federal government just to get acceptance to play for BCS bowls. The payout distribution is still ridiculous. For the P5 when a team makes a bowl the revenue is distributed 1/8th for the program and the remaining goes to their specific conference. For the G5 1/10th the revenue is distributed to the program and then the remaining funds are distributed to the entire G5, which means the programs and the specific G5 conference make less money.... Is it bs? Yes. Is it corrupt? Yes. Is it illegal? Probably yes.
This sport operates as an economic cartel.
I would watch the games it sounds like a great idea to me
There are 8 FBS conferences, the only way the Playoff would ever be fair is to take the champion of each conference to the playoff, then fill in the remaining 4 spots with independents and highest ranked teams. The problem here is that the NCAA has allowed two conferences (& ESPN) to run the process and take the lion share of the money. It's not a competition where the G5 even gets a shot anymore. You might as well make the G5 the FCS and then drop the FCS a level...
In reality, there is only 8 to 10 teams each year that contend for a title in College Football in the Power Conferences and it’s the same teams every year so what’s the difference…
In thinks it’s about a lower level nationwide reach, collective bargain all tv rights and a playoff for something. It can be beneficial if done correctly.
If the MAJORITY, not just the top 25, of the P5 can thoroughly beat the best of the G5 then Ill concede a seperation is actually the right thing. But as long as Appalachian beats USC and ULM beats Bama the there shouldnt be a seperation
Please!!! It would be so dope!!!
I dislike the private equity thing. Since you've mentioned Mount Union. That's in Ohio along with Ohio State. Every state has an athletic commission. Disburse the money and resources that way. Everyone loves a winner be it Division III, Group of Five or Power 4.
I like that
It comes done to money again. How much revenue could be generated with this type of system for the G-5? That’ll dictate if this is realistic or not.
The G5 now has official access to the CFP, albeit an uphill challenge. This is a bad proposal for them. This is like FCS. College football is gross right now. They make a deal for 12, then then they are talking 14 before they even played 12. The B1G is angling for FSU before USC even plays a game in the league. Now this. Sounds like Derek Dooley is just doing the bidding for the SEC and ESPN.
32 teams playoff
So to spite the power conferences because you are upset about what they are doing.... your answer is to threaten to do exactly what they have been trying to get done for 20+ years? 🤔
To get an idea of the viability, they need to see how many of the bowl games continue to exist with the CFP expansion. The other bowl games averaged 1 mill viewers. Will those numbers be there this coming season?
What if they take the data that you're proposing and convert those bowl games into G5 playoff games? That would save time, effort and money.
@@CarlaJenkinsTV Because the people who run bowl games, regardless of size and stature, don't want to be rendered obsolete.
This proposal would bring some sanity to the ugliness that is now college football. I have watched college football for the past 60 years. I have gotten up early on Saturday mornings to watch College Game Day
Most power 5 teams have no chance for a football championship. It is pretty much 10-12 teams that will ever win one and all, but three, are in the Big 10 or SEC.
I'd watch this anyday over the current playoff system. Today's college system is all about money, and the conference realignment is so ridiculous.
It’s a no brainer high school football in most states have 6 to 8 champs a year
Yes. G5 playoff. Play for titles!
No one cares about the second tier title. Look at how apathetic people are about the NIT.
G5 playoffs would be great
I look at this like the P3/4 should and would back this. If they backed this and would have to put money into this. Big picture they get what they want in the long run.
Also they could run the semi finals and championship on the same weekends and locations as the P3/4 championship.
Would love to see and bet on a g5 tourney
This would kill Oregon State and WSU. Absolutely not
Yeah this would destroy many other colleges and especially the G5 and bottom of the P4 colleges because what this would do or could do.
EAST: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, USF. WEST: Tulane, SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State.
No divisions
Been saying this for years
Why can't ALL the FBS conferences be treated equally? If they were, we wouldn't be talking about this!
B10 and SEC have made themselves the Cancer of college football. G5 need and have needed to protect themselves .
Boycott B10 and SEC broadcasts!
to the contray..i think many traditional college fans with dump on nfl lite. and turn to this,and smaller divisons for college football
He said “I like dynasties” but then completely hates on Alabama all the time 😂😅
The G-8 College Football League should move to the Spring because they cannot compete against the Super League, with the 50 most valuable B1G and SEC programs, and the NFL head to head. College football fans would be able to watch the sport all year long. Many fans would support a G-8 and a Super League team if they were in separate leagues. It's no different then football fans supporting their favorite college and NFL teams but it wouldn't be during the same time of year.
They kept a power five undefeated division champions out of the playoffs make of that what you will
Maybe instead of disparaging “lower level” teams, we could regulate the distribution of talent. Tradition, facilities, and coaches do not make these teams great…recruits do.
What ESPN and Fox don’t seem to understand is, not every fan cares about the power conferences and over time, will stop caring about the sport. Same teams over and over is boring. You have the Bama fans and Ohio St fans running on and on about how great the system is, but privately, the fans of these two conferences bottom feeders just don’t care. Like someone on the dole, they only want to know what day the check is coming.
If the acc dies then the big 10 and sec create their own playoff, the big 12 should partner with the g5 and run a tournament. Turn of events the big 12 is the media draw
Don't the G5 schools make a fair amount of their money from playing P5 schools?
Depends who they are. If they are good enough, then they dont necessarily get the pay for play premiums, but then they also get treated like they are second class even though in some cases they are more deserving to be in P5 conferences than the teams that are currently in them.
For example the University of Tulane has more SEC Conference titles than 7 teams in that conference. And 3 teams in the SEC, have been there for more than 100 years. Tulane left that conference 60 years ago. Even in the last 20 years, Tulane has had 4 times as many Top 10 seasons as 4 teams in the SEC in the same timeframe.
The G5 cannot and never will be again able to compete for championships against the Two Titans. Some of the Big 12 and ACC teams will be invited to the dance and the teams that are not will essentially also be G5 programs. Might as well except the reality of what has happened and separate now. The G5, FCS, and lower divisions is what college football is all about. The Two Titans are basically pro football at this point with college names only serving as brands.
Yeah well this thing called the US Federal Government may have something to say about that.....
The G5 lawsuits of 2009-2012 literally went federal and the entire P5, BCS, and NCAA shat themselves staring down the barrel of $2.4 BILLION antitrust federal lawsuit. Why in the world would you give up that potential leverage - these cases are literally existing legal precedent (of which they also have lawsuits from 2002-2004 over very similar issues that also forced the league to make changes to the post season).
USTA will want to stay we they are; high chance of American Conference championship and top 20 national ranking. I'm pretty sure they would make more money going to the second round of the CFP than this new G5 playoff proposal.
That is until the SEC/B1G close the door on everyone else.
@@reverend_wintondupreethen you take them to court for violating antitrust laws
Utsa is one coach away from falling back into where they really belong. The belong with the rest of the G5
@@reverend_wintondupree The moment this happens, 60% of this country sues the B10/SEC out of existence.....
Never mind the fact there are multiple previous cases both civil and federal on universities suing for anti-trust and anti-competitive behavior in this sport. But really the dagger is the fact that even with all the mergers 28 of 50 states in this country do not have any universities in the B10/SEC. State governments recieve revenue as taxes on monetary benefits of public university sports programs. So when a league decides to exclude an entire state - you better believe that State's government gets pretty ticked off. All you need is 2 state governments suing the league for what is basically tax fraud, corruption and anti-competitive behavior , and this automatically triggers a federal investigation by the DOJ.
The last time the DOJ got involved in college football's post season, they recommended finning the league BILLIONS OF DOLLARS....... The $50 million media deal per team doesnt quite look as strong in that context.
And that lawsuit was launched by just 12 universities. There are 137 FBS Division 1 teams - the B10/SEC currently make up 32. What do you think happens the DOJ's calculation when 10 times as many universities bring these lawsuits?
This xfl g league comparison is terrible. Nobody ever watched those teams g5 had a fan base it doesn’t have to make the most money it’s good for the sport
Having commentators and fans that are not G5 fans are just hog wash.
Nothing but annoying noise and click bait.
This makes zero sense.....