Carburetor vs. E.F.I. on Small Block Chevy on the Dyno!

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    People have lots of opinions about what is better, when it comes to carburetors vs. E.F.I.. Today, with the help of Pat from Piss Cutter Performance, Nick will be making a side by side test on his dynamometer. The results just might surprise you.
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  • @charleshaggard4341
    @charleshaggard4341 Před rokem +344

    How cool is Nick to work with other guys sharing his vast knowledge and his time which is priceless. What a great guy.

    • @NicksGarage
      @NicksGarage  Před rokem +24

      Thanks Charles.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +30

      Nick is such a great guy, I had a ton of fun at the shop. All the guys at the shop treated me like one of the crew. True blue car guys and thats what its all about

    • @lilo2469
      @lilo2469 Před rokem +11

      @@cuttersperformancenice work listening to you explain things really held my interest 👍

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +13

      @@lilo2469 thank you, I live and breathe this stuff and appreciate the positive feedback

    • @Trumplican
      @Trumplican Před rokem +3

      @@cuttersperformance Nick is a really great guy!! Super nice and extremely talented.

  • @redchevy3307
    @redchevy3307 Před rokem +260

    This video just proved that Nick knows how to tune a carb.

    • @blinkie1523
      @blinkie1523 Před rokem +20

      It sure did and that's because he knows his stuff.

    • @oscargallegos7022
      @oscargallegos7022 Před rokem +10

      Hey a 750 carb vs he said 800 cfm EFI

    • @thechestnutking736
      @thechestnutking736 Před rokem +7

      With the disposal of Dyno lol

    • @rubeclayton8233
      @rubeclayton8233 Před rokem +2

      Yeah, Nick Really Knows What He Is Doing... No B.S. On This CZcams Channel.,

    • @TMPCarbs
      @TMPCarbs Před rokem +6

      I’d bet the efi flows more than 800 cfm. It’s prob 900 + cfm

  • @lennydee3538
    @lennydee3538 Před 4 měsíci +20

    The excitement in Nick's face is like a four year old on Christmas Eve. He definitely loves his job and loves to share his knowledge. It was a joy to watch 👍

  • @davidtaylor9508
    @davidtaylor9508 Před rokem +88

    I was sure hoping they saw the timing moving the first 3 pulls! Glad you figured that out.

    • @sugizotakuro
      @sugizotakuro Před rokem +11

      i was just like, the distributor just moved? they really missed that out.

    • @soumilinon
      @soumilinon Před 2 měsíci

      ya at 9:44 that distributer was moving !! that`ll make her ping...
      still moving @ 53:02

    • @pewterpearlfatboy
      @pewterpearlfatboy Před 26 dny

      I noticed that right away too! Not good.

  • @benbarber2369
    @benbarber2369 Před rokem +197

    Nick is so old school cool- not many like him these days.

    • @chrismadaj8751
      @chrismadaj8751 Před rokem +8

      Yes I agree but he had patience with this setup. Just goes to say he's willing to learn he wanted to see the data he's acar guy like us you could see it on his face great video nick

    • @wokewokerman5280
      @wokewokerman5280 Před rokem +5

      I was just thinking one more look around after start with EFI - and then Nick gets up and does one more look around at 37:15, man, what a engine doctor he is.....

    • @SpeakerKevin
      @SpeakerKevin Před rokem +5

      I bet Nick listens to vinyl, which is cool also.

    • @gm4life303
      @gm4life303 Před rokem +2

      It's the only way...old school rules, based in facts, and trial and error

    • @hiteck007
      @hiteck007 Před rokem +2

      Hay come on, I like old school & he proved to me Carby still got it over EFI for smoothness of power delivery. That is the engine did not shake with the carby.

  • @brianreynoldson1965
    @brianreynoldson1965 Před rokem +181

    I'm an "old school" carb guy, but I'll be the first too admit the fuel control on an EFI unit is considerably more precise than a 4bbl. carburetor. Even "dinosaurs " need some compassion! LOL!

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +37

      Both work fantastic if setup correctly. If anything its really amazing how well a carb works for a simple device and old technology

    • @vhp454
      @vhp454 Před rokem +11

      We tried a fuel injection on a 1969 L88 427. The camshaft profile with its solid lifter design did not do well with fuel injection, im not bashing it. Im explaining that cam profile makes a big difference !

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +9

      @@vhp454 totally agree, under 10 inches of vaccum at idle is usually the cut off for how well fuel injection will work and especially with "self learning" Both carb and efi have their places and both can be made to work great with time and effort.

    • @heathwirt8919
      @heathwirt8919 Před rokem +2

      @@cuttersperformance Why do they work so well on NASCAR V8's ?

    • @darwinfoster7420
      @darwinfoster7420 Před rokem +3

      @@heathwirt8919 total different set up in Nascar

  • @JeffreyBlair
    @JeffreyBlair Před rokem +14

    This is AWESOME to watch the older and the younger WORKING TOGETHER!!

  • @ronbuckner8179
    @ronbuckner8179 Před rokem +30

    This is a great concept for an engine build. I’m glad they picked Nick. This will be entertaining as heck.

  • @stevepoore2322
    @stevepoore2322 Před rokem +116

    This is real! Where on the planet can anyone get content like this! Two guys coming together to make these tests between old school Carburator and modern EFI!
    Greatest show on the Earth. Period

  • @jamesblair9614
    @jamesblair9614 Před rokem +178

    It is amazing just how well a carburetor can work through all the rpm range considering what’s happening, idle circuits, primaries, secondaries, high speed enrichment and all using vacuum as a trigger. I think most of us appreciate EFI when we go out and start the car on a cold winter day, but after spending about 6 months trying to diagnose and fix my EFI engine with an intermittent idle problem, an old Carter AFB is looking pretty good about now.

    • @dangeary2134
      @dangeary2134 Před rokem +9

      I had a car with a small block that needed to be ultra reliable, because it was literally a work car.
      I originally had a Quadrajet on it, and had that tuned so perfectly that I just needed to tap the pedal to set the choke, and she would fire up a lot faster than injection.
      When I went to a Carter, same thing.

    • @gotnutz71
      @gotnutz71 Před rokem +6

      Something you might want to check is on some of the snipers (not sure about other makes) the injector harnesses can become loose and cause intermittent fueling problems. This happened to me on my 67 Cuda, pulled my hair out trying to figure out the problem.

    • @artcampbell5315
      @artcampbell5315 Před rokem +5

      Carbs are not that complicated except for the emission controls

    • @thomaslemay8817
      @thomaslemay8817 Před rokem +15

      @@dangeary2134 a very common problem is a bad ground cable on the engine, paint or rust on the connection. The resistance between the engine manifold, block and the battery negative post should be virtually zero . I have witnessed a magnitude of problem solved by simply cleaning and repairing grounds . People will spend hours looking at Supply and switch side issues and never check the grounds.

    • @anthonywilson4873
      @anthonywilson4873 Před rokem +8

      @@artcampbell5315 There is a lot of development over many years. Idle circuit, progression, main circuit, fuel enrichment with power valves, accelerator pump circuit, and of course air jets and choke. In the Quadrajet four carbs in one with two primaries and two vacuum operated secondaries. I Worked in shop for years and very very few knew how they worked. Their fix for a carb, take the screws out and bend the floats arms by putting down the body on the bench instantly causing another problem, blowing out the main jets with air line and put it back together, crank with IGN enabled and as soon as fuel gets into bowls to a certain level the engine fires lean and backfires, as the choke is on the backfire blows the power valves diaphragms and now we a leaking in fuel into airstream. Now carb is well messed up. So their fix was the simple carb is screwed buy a new one, do not forget to prime the float bowls fully. Similar with Rochester although secondaries are all controlled by a small spring that goes weak over time. Leads to flat spot as secondaries open to early leading to less suction through primaries and loss of fuel pickup, if you know about the spring and it’s adjustment then an easy fix. Carburettors on a lawnmower maybe simple but unless your a specialist a Quadrajet is not simple. What is simple is EFI electric fuel pump provides pressure to the jets. Solenoids control the jets. Inlet manifold suction controls fuel pressure to compensate for changes in manifold vacuum, a speed signal from distributor a MAP sensor on Inlet a temp sensor on inlet, engine temp signal, a throttle position sensor, knock sensors and oxygen sensors. Maybe even wide band Oxygen sensors. All those bits just bolt on and are wired up, fuelling is controlled by ECU and easy to adjust with the push of some buttons. It’s all so simple😉😀

  • @BuiltDifferent13
    @BuiltDifferent13 Před rokem +12

    Love old timers and just being around them to listen and learn from.... Always grateful for everything 🙏🙏🙏

  • @hobsonbeeman7529
    @hobsonbeeman7529 Před rokem +65

    I think Nick appreciates someone who is knowledgeable about engines to the point they actually know what they are doing and takes a fresh approach to their CZcams channel with viewers … great job

  • @butchcassidy5398
    @butchcassidy5398 Před rokem +388

    Who else saw the distributor move like crazy? It turned a lot

    • @fastbuzzardo4204
      @fastbuzzardo4204 Před rokem +43

      Always lock down the distributor and scribe a mark for Reference .

    • @hydroy1
      @hydroy1 Před rokem +27

      Also did you notice the EFI was run up to 6,500rpm and the carb was only 6,300 both are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay under a good testing rpm for SBC. We test at 7,000 and 7,500. If the cam has a ton of overlap, 8,200 & up. SBC can't really be tested at 6,500rpm as there just not at peek performance yet.

    • @sugizotakuro
      @sugizotakuro Před rokem +13

      @@hydroy1 maybe he is still be on the cautious side. the graph shows that the hp is still climbing.

    • @davelowets
      @davelowets Před rokem +51

      @@hydroy1 It ALL depends on what cam the engine has in it... 🤷🏻
      There are cams that are all done WAY before 7000 RPMs.
      In a street car application, NO ONE is going to be running an 8200 rpm cam in their engine.

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck Před rokem +13

      @@davelowets ye of so little faith, my dad's daily is a '76 c10 heavy half with "the biggest hydraulic roller cam in the catalog"

  • @Cabiotube
    @Cabiotube Před rokem +55

    Really great to watch the old master and the young master work together in collaboration. Great video, and amazing that parts chosen by the audience did so well in this build!

    • @SuperReznative
      @SuperReznative Před 5 měsíci +1

      old & young, ..still overlooking some kinks..

  • @imsurethisisnotme4736
    @imsurethisisnotme4736 Před rokem +10

    Blowing me away how much that dizzy is walking around. The overhead camera view is priceless, thx

  • @grinchyface
    @grinchyface Před rokem +3

    Seldom do you meet an old timer that excitedly recognizes the superiority of new technology while still loving what is traditional to him.

  • @renegade44040
    @renegade44040 Před rokem +17

    I learned so much from watching this video.
    Dude built a solid little engine.

  • @evanmccormick4816
    @evanmccormick4816 Před rokem +24

    This video is a testament of the carb tuning skills of Nick, same power without a computer.

    • @edhackett6058
      @edhackett6058 Před rokem +7

      A little more power with the EFI.
      Keep in mind;
      You tune a carb on a beautiful sunny day at 30.25” of Mercury, then, the next day, it’s rainy, humid with a storm approaching at 29.15” of Mercury, and yesterday’s tune is yesterday’s news. Not to mention my comment about altitude. Drive that 428 hp. car out to British Columbia, and it will be lucky to climb a grade without fouling your plugs, or overheating. That EFI has air density compensation.

    • @tahcogunworks
      @tahcogunworks Před rokem

      @@edhackett6058 so false. You're not even close.

    • @edhackett6058
      @edhackett6058 Před rokem

      @@tahcogunworks ;
      How so? Explain please.

  • @tomwilliams5598
    @tomwilliams5598 Před rokem +8

    I love how Nick doesn’t edit. You see the warts and all . But you also see his genius when he trouble shoots an issue . Great video!

    • @crawford323
      @crawford323 Před 8 měsíci

      Of course he edits or he would not be able to have camera angle changes. Unless he has a crew sitting in a production van and all those camera are running live feeds and some dude sitting at a switcher. ( which he does not) I think what you meant to say is all of the dialogue is running without interruption or cuts. We at least hear the good and the bad audio overlayed on different video tracks. I get what you mean and I'm splitting hairs here.

  • @TomPauls007
    @TomPauls007 Před rokem +8

    never get tired hearing the growl of an engine pumping serious power and RPM!

  • @DonRRicks
    @DonRRicks Před rokem +9

    You have to love the small block Chevy engines. They’re definitely time tested, and pass them all. But, I’m still a Mopar lover at heart

  • @yambo59
    @yambo59 Před rokem +34

    What a great video on carb vs EFI, and what a solid little engine--a well built small block Chevy with the right parts really shows its reputation for reliability, not even a leak or ticking lifter nothing but HP and they really hammered on it.

  • @hairymongrell
    @hairymongrell Před 9 měsíci +17

    i was a carb guy for years.
    i just love efi with no fuel spills or jet changes and so easy for tiny changes to be so accurate.
    nice vid guys

  • @angusmackaskill3035
    @angusmackaskill3035 Před rokem +7

    Holy cow!! Gotta be hard core to watch 80 minutes of carb vs fuel injection!

  • @mikedimaio1237
    @mikedimaio1237 Před rokem +23

    Best carb vs. EFI test I've seen. That is one sweet Chevy.

    • @hiteck007
      @hiteck007 Před rokem

      I'm not a Chevy fan but this one is a cut above the rest & the setup was well chosen I think.

  • @tomquinn607
    @tomquinn607 Před rokem +19

    Congrats to Pat's subscribers! The engine they designed is a Goliath slayer. Nice job.

  • @BKMDano17
    @BKMDano17 Před rokem +5

    Viewers pay attention. Both of these gentlemen are very good at what they do. It's still taking eight pulls to dial that EFI in and that's without ignition. The self learning claims aren't true. It takes a lot just to get the car running. My experience says you need to find someone with a wheel Dyno and the experience to make the necessary adjustments to optimize running conditions with EFI. You WONT do it at home.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +1

      Believe it or not, I find it easier to get the fuel maps dialed in with these system installed in cars rather than on a engine dyno. Usually I street tune them to get the fuel map dialed in close then they go on a wheel dyno for power and final tweaks. I use the laptop and speed up the process with manual adjustments like I did at Nicks. I also do alot of carb tuning and actually do the same sort of thing, in some cases install a wideband in the exhaust for street tuning.
      Both systems take a certain type of knowledge and skill but it really just boils down to preference in my opinion.

  • @DerredmaxTRIAX
    @DerredmaxTRIAX Před rokem +13

    This is one of the best tuner review videos I have ever seen.. Very well done Thanks Nick and Pat and crew!!

  • @JohnnyAFG81
    @JohnnyAFG81 Před rokem +9

    Being born right on the edge of carb/efi transition I like both. Efi for the ease of get in and crank it and go. Carbs are cool for the low cost of purchase and cool look of dual carb setup.

  • @kevinwoolmer5478
    @kevinwoolmer5478 Před rokem +23

    Fantastic. Great to see the next generation of gearheads doing their thing. Listening two these two go back and forth with their knowledge and understanding of how it all works is just great. Another fantastic show thanks so much

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +4

      I appreciate that! Thank you

    • @kevinwoolmer5478
      @kevinwoolmer5478 Před rokem +4

      @@cuttersperformance np,I live and breath this,I drive a dump truck,have been for 30yrs,bought an 18 rt 5.7 6spd with my hard work,I spend all day thinking of how to improve her and get all that engine will give,great show thanks.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +2

      @@kevinwoolmer5478 thats awesome man! The performance addiction is real but all part of the fun!

    • @enriquemagana3176
      @enriquemagana3176 Před rokem

      @@kevinwoolmer5478 47:44 47:45 47:46

    • @mathewmolk2089
      @mathewmolk2089 Před 6 měsíci

      Yea, But if brandon has his way there will be no more gearheads.- What fun is it putting in bigger fuses in a glorified golf cart? - We better enjoy it while we can. If the election goes the wrong way the end is near. - Teslas don't use headers or cam shafts.

  • @docm3093
    @docm3093 Před rokem +6

    Shoutout to Dwayne too for being right in there and catching multiple things because any mechanic knows a 2nd set of eyes is a life saver!

  • @kayejaye261
    @kayejaye261 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I have to side with Uncle Bucko this vid. I know majority of fans understand wrenching. This man is fixing two nephews multiple drag cars. His bros and sis in laws vehicles. And completed his own S-10 engine swap. Oh oh then goes out to Grandpa's and helps with planting and tractor duties. UB u are a good man,son, uncle , bro ..... See y boys turned into such good young men. Who else watch vids and either share or send text to family member? All it takes. Wish all SRC family great fathers day weekend and b safe.

  • @thunderc4s
    @thunderc4s Před rokem +22

    The Holley Throttle body EFI is great. Not just about peak HP/Torque but cold start first crank and warm up and smooth driveability. You can leave car parked for months and it will start first crank with the EFI.

    • @Thumper68
      @Thumper68 Před rokem +8

      I can do that with my Holley carb on press of throttle to set choke turn key fires right up.

    • @Thumper68
      @Thumper68 Před rokem +2

      @@nhlba3301 ok whatever you say.

    • @Thumper68
      @Thumper68 Před rokem +2

      @@nhlba3301 well my old man did first but I keep her tuned right. lol

    • @nhlba3301
      @nhlba3301 Před rokem

      @@Thumper68 oh Gotcha 👌🏼👌🏼!!! That knowledge is key believe me lol

    • @peteloomis8456
      @peteloomis8456 Před rokem +2

      @UCDhJYUerKf6PqcKX4hFe18Q If you run a electric fuel pump to fill the float bowls of the carburetor if the choke is set correctly and it's jetted right it will start up with one pump . My 440 with a Edelbrock 750 performer rpm intake Dyno tuned and jetted for my engine with a 509 purple shaft and headers can sit for a month and as long as I turn the Holley blue pump on first then pump it once it fires right up every time so yes it can be done. Not so easy with a mechanical pump if it sits and drains back and the float bowls get dried up because the engine has to crank over enough times for the mechanical fuel pump to pull fuel and then fill the float bowls again . On my 82 Chevrolet K10 which is my plow truck with a stock 400 SBC that I put in the truck that I replaced the old worm out Q jet with a spacer to put a Edelbrock 600 with a electric choke on if it sits more than a week it has to crank over some while pumping before the float bowls fill back up before it fire up and stays running so there is an advantage of having the electric fuel pump to pre prime the carburetor and make cold starts easier in cold weather verses a mechanical pump . I could put a electric fuel pump on tne truck but it's my plow truck to plow my driveway with plus the pump works good other than if it sits for a while the fuel drains back and the float bowls dry up and it needs to crank a little before they fill up enough to get a accelerator pump shot to prime the carburetor some so it starts which works fine but it's just slower than a electric fuel pump is . I drive the truck in the spring and summer to the car club I belong to just to drive it at times and it runs good and doesn't starve for fuel at WOT when I get on it hard once in a while to clean it out and the pump works good being it's been on this engine that was in a 78 K5 blazer back in 2006 until I had to pull the engine and drive train out of it because the body was toast and I bought the 82 that just needed a engine and swapped the plow over and kept the extra parts for spares for the 82 .

  • @justme-27
    @justme-27 Před rokem +3

    Awesome tough little motor. Took a beating and never blinked

    • @BuzzLOLOL
      @BuzzLOLOL Před rokem +1

      Blinked several times with loose distributor and wrong A/F...

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +1

      Really took a beating after this testing...I strapped a turbo on it and we beat the crap out of it on the dyno. Check out the 75th live show to see the first turbo dyno run. The 355 took it like a champ

  • @danielfield3580
    @danielfield3580 Před měsícem +2

    I have always enjoyed seeing Nick work. He is always seeking to learn the possibilities without detonating the engines.

  • @David-rx5eo
    @David-rx5eo Před 11 měsíci +6

    The best thing about fuel injection is that it can adjust for different altitudes, whereas a carb can not. With fuel injection you could go from sea level to 7000 feet up in the mountains with virtually the same performance, and in Southern California you could easily go from the sea to mountains within a few hours time.

    • @arbiter1
      @arbiter1 Před 6 měsíci +1

      also for diff temp's as well. you need more fuel when its 20 out then you need when its say 90 since the air is a bit thinner. at 7000ft no matter what you are losing power but your not running engine at 10:1 air fuel ratio when up there as a carb would be.

  • @dewholdingsllc1050
    @dewholdingsllc1050 Před rokem +4

    This is the type of content folks like to see.

  • @terryweedon8431
    @terryweedon8431 Před rokem +31

    How fast Nick had that carb dialed in was amazing! Great Videos Guys please keep them coming!

    • @reifonseca5767
      @reifonseca5767 Před rokem +3

      It's that easy when you have a wide band.

    • @yourolddad6407
      @yourolddad6407 Před rokem +2

      @@reifonseca5767 and decades of experience. The EFI matched it on the first pull with diddly for tuning.

    • @reifonseca5767
      @reifonseca5767 Před rokem +2

      @@yourolddad6407 wrong.efl is always tuning itself that's the magic of it.thats how it works.thats why every thing is efl.some aftermarket ones like this one are more advanced then a stock and are "tuneable" so if you change parts on the build one can recalibrate for changes.

    • @ntoxic8edx
      @ntoxic8edx Před rokem

      @@reifonseca5767 What if its closed loop.

  • @mrkeopele
    @mrkeopele Před rokem +1

    nice to be in on this test, thanks so much, fun to see this on the dyno!

  • @E1337Jerk
    @E1337Jerk Před rokem +5

    Glad to see the collaboration two great engine builders!

  • @michaelpujals
    @michaelpujals Před rokem +5

    Old school versus new school thanks for the master class

  • @shawnewaltonify
    @shawnewaltonify Před rokem +8

    OMG, welcome to Nick's Garage 2.0! Christmas came early this year and the big man delivered something we never thought possible. This is the difference between Hollywood and CZcams: in Hollywood all the best shows that find perfection also reach a peak where viewers can see the inevitable ending coming because you cannot make perfection more perfect(and you viewers cannot watch the same perfection being achieved over and over for very many years beyond a decade), but in CZcams all the best shows that find perfection that reach their peak have the opportunity to remake themselves and they do so through collaboration with other shows. It is not collaboration within the show that makes the difference, it is the collaboration with other shows that allows the producers and hosts to bring in new content without losing the viewers and their memory of what makes the perfect Nick's Garage episode. Just when viewers were hoping to get a little bit more from Nick before his retirement, you really came through for us, because the big man himself is delivering the creativity in Nick Panaritis that this show needs to continue into muscle car infinity and beyond! Thank you.

  • @michaelmartinez1345
    @michaelmartinez1345 Před 11 měsíci +11

    That was a very interesting episode... The engine responded well with both types of fuel systems... I am a big fan of carburetors, and drive an older vehicle every day that has a carburetor... It is reliable, gets decent fuel mileage and inexpensive to keep running, and very easy to troubleshoot.......

  • @brentbaker4463
    @brentbaker4463 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I love it when pros show they are human and run into bugs and mistakes too !!

  • @charliefox7206
    @charliefox7206 Před rokem +5

    Great to watch you to guys working together. Oh to be 55 years younger. Yes I know; careful what you wish for.🦊

  • @yarrdayarrdayarrda
    @yarrdayarrdayarrda Před rokem +4

    I use a Holley 950 UXP on most of the engines I run and as a jetting verification I have a set of high speed bleeds (4 brass jets next to the bowl vents looking down on the carb) that's .005" larger and a set .005" smaller than the factory bleeds (.032" is stock on the 950) and it's an extremely quick changeover without spilling fuel. 3 pulls, overlay the graphs, and you'll instantly see what the engine wants.

  • @ckelley63
    @ckelley63 Před rokem +6

    Nick you have such a great layman's way of explaining things so everyone can understand keep up the great work on behalf of hot rodders everywhere.

  • @wazza33racer
    @wazza33racer Před rokem +6

    Carbs are amazing for their simplicity..............I have raced Weber DCOE's and they are so easy to look after and keep running perfect.

  • @malcolmshaw2609
    @malcolmshaw2609 Před rokem +9

    Great test as it’s showing a direct comparison between the carb and the efi throttle body, no other differences. Great to see the Carb guy and the EFI guy working together to get the max out of both setups. 👍😁

  • @rickh8380
    @rickh8380 Před rokem +15

    What a great motor with great horsepower and torque numbers. Nobody else's Dyno room sounds as good as Nick's. Great job guys. Really enjoyed this one. Take care all. Cheers

  • @siliconvalleyengineer5875

    wow just wow, this was the most informative carburator comparison Ive ever seen.

    • @NicksGarage
      @NicksGarage  Před rokem

      Thank you!

    • @rafaelgomez2581
      @rafaelgomez2581 Před 5 měsíci

      That was a pleasure to watch...You guys kept it simple,easy to understand and very informative.

  • @richardkrautheim8101
    @richardkrautheim8101 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Timing control is the game changer for EFI, I understand why they kept the same distributor to make it a "fair" test; because EFI with timing control is a blowout.

  • @keithharris7365
    @keithharris7365 Před rokem +6

    That is one hard running sb Chevy don't matter how it gets the fuel it wants to run good job keep them coming and see you next Monday

  • @edhackett6058
    @edhackett6058 Před rokem +8

    Nick, I once tried to take my AAR into the Rockies in Colorado, but had to drive 100 miles back to Colorado Springs to try and find jets and secondary fuel plates and rip apart my sixbarrel setup just to survive the altitude. Fuel injection would have saved me jets, gaskets, and carb plates not to mention nearly a day’s vCation. Think of that if you’re ever in BC!

  • @johnhenryholiday4964
    @johnhenryholiday4964 Před rokem +2

    I love that Nick and the other guy didn't focus on the EFI as the problem.... its a common problem to get tunnel vision on a new system and not look at all causes....

  • @IlPinnacolo
    @IlPinnacolo Před rokem +4

    I enjoy the content so take this as constructive criticism: You spent 10x effort tuning the EFI that had a 100 cfm advantage on the carb to make more hp at the top which was most likely simply due to airflow. On an open plenum manifold this difference would be much less if not non existent.
    You have one of the most tunable carbs on the planet and you didn't touch an air bleed or an emulsion. You didn't ensure equal fuel flow from the primaries and secondaries, and you tuned the carb to an afr instead of tuning it for best power.
    The number 1 problem with carbs is they run so well out of the box that very few people actually know how to tune them, popular dyno tuners included.

  • @johnkufeldt3564
    @johnkufeldt3564 Před rokem +13

    Thanks for the indepth test, a better comparison than the previous test you did Nick...you sure know your carbs Nick, you rejetted and bang, full power. Cheers from Calgary.

  • @512kjt
    @512kjt Před rokem +14

    Awesome! This is the one I’ve been waiting for, a bow tie small block!

    • @NicksGarage
      @NicksGarage  Před rokem +4

      Hope you like it!

    • @512kjt
      @512kjt Před rokem +3

      @@NicksGarageOh I will. I like all of them! Love the channel! I’m asking for merch for Christmas!🎅🏻 🎄 🎅🏻

    • @josephf593
      @josephf593 Před rokem +2

      haven't seen a small block ford in awhile!

    • @god1st.530
      @god1st.530 Před rokem

      @@josephf593 keep waiting on it. God Gm ls lt SBC bbc for the win.

    • @josephf593
      @josephf593 Před rokem

      @@god1st.530 whatever you say pal. Government motors

  • @rogerclyde2720
    @rogerclyde2720 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Loads of fun watching, very informative.

  • @chevyv20
    @chevyv20 Před rokem +6

    Awesome video! Thank you both for this INCREDIBLE comparison! I have to admit I am a 383ci. stroker fan above the 355ci., set up. However that is a masterfully beautiful 355ci. engine! Both of you can be very proud of this build, and comparison! God bless you both! Please keep doing what you do!

  • @Welcometofacsistube
    @Welcometofacsistube Před rokem +6

    It's been proven that a carb, at WOT, will make a bit more power than fuel injection. But an engine will make the same power because it doesn't care how it gets its air/fuel. It will only take in what I can take in.

  • @OlSgtLove
    @OlSgtLove Před rokem +8

    Hey Nick and George!!!!!! Hey everyone on the channel . Ready, set,gooooooo !!!!!!

    • @NicksGarage
      @NicksGarage  Před rokem +2

      Here we go!

    • @bobkonradi1027
      @bobkonradi1027 Před rokem +3

      National Hot Rod Assn. (NHRA) pro stocks switched over from carbs to throttle body EFI some years ago and look at the performance differences. I've watched pro stock teams back in the past changing jets and everything else in their Holleys, practically rebuilding them between rounds, and recently watched them working their laptops to alter the performance characteristics on their TBIs, and things are much easier for them with the injectors. And performance is much improved.

    • @OlSgtLove
      @OlSgtLove Před rokem +1

      @@bobkonradi1027 Bob , you are spot on in what your saying .

    • @OlSgtLove
      @OlSgtLove Před rokem +2

      @@bobkonradi1027 Even the Top Fuel Elminators are running fuels systems they can tune with the laptops these days . Funny how things have change from the 60s and 70s Hotrod days .

  • @steveallen7742
    @steveallen7742 Před rokem +2

    I was on board with GM when EFI was released, but was trained in carbs by some of the smartest guys in my hometown. Whether a Weber, Quad, Holley, down draft, all the way to Tillotsons on boats, Keihin on bikes, even weed whackers and chainsaws, if you have a good ear and sense of feel, you can make a motor purr at idle and sing at WOT. Nick and Pat, thank you for a great time watching two intelligent induction enthusiasts do what they love: Make an engine sing like Chris Cornell and Julie Andrews.

  • @aidanlyons1155
    @aidanlyons1155 Před 7 měsíci +3

    That engine is a belter! I bet it would hit 450 hp with electric pump as nick suggested, and more time setting up the carb. It kept making peak power at max revs.

  • @johndelta00
    @johndelta00 Před rokem +3

    This is the cross over i've been waiting for!

  • @terryrochfort3803
    @terryrochfort3803 Před rokem +11

    Nick, Pat and George, Awesome job on this video. Fantastic comparison between carb and EFI.

  • @johnpage5815
    @johnpage5815 Před rokem +3

    Thanks a lot guys for learning tips and enjoyed seeing the comment comparison between carburetor and EFI lot of fun thanks

  • @cliffwright9842
    @cliffwright9842 Před rokem +4

    This was a really good video Nick, and two of my favorite engine guys working together Nick and P Cutter....that was the best!

  • @MikeJBlues
    @MikeJBlues Před rokem +3

    Awsome Monday, great dyno Day

  • @stevebumstead9840
    @stevebumstead9840 Před rokem +14

    One of your best videos ever! Thanks Nick.

    • @NicksGarage
      @NicksGarage  Před rokem +6

      Wow, thanks!

    • @gm4life303
      @gm4life303 Před rokem

      @@NicksGarage Nick, let's do some rare engines and tweaking when you get them in the shop, whenever you do, Mopars,Fords,Chevrolet, buick,pontiac,Chrysler ...etc..
      Maybe some old 409's some 427 Ford FE, tri-power 427 BBC
      I'd love that,

  • @65sohc
    @65sohc Před rokem +3

    It's one thing to be tuning WOT in a dyno cell. I live in Fresno CA. 100 degrees in the summer is a cool day. That, coupled with the fact that our gas is minimum 10% ethanol means that we are constantly fighting vapor lock on our classic cars in day to day driving. I would THINK/hope that EFI would be the answer but I really don't know.

  • @robertthomas7176
    @robertthomas7176 Před rokem +6

    one can tell that Nick loves working with the younger generation of engine builders

  • @OlSgtLove
    @OlSgtLove Před rokem +10

    Nick and George, what a great video and test on that small block Chevy. That was fun to watch and us old dogs learn alittle too . Very nice of Nick to do that and run those test . One of the Best Dynos setups around . I saw the HEI dist.move on the 1st run too. Good music and shots too George. Take It Easy ...

  • @jimgee2676
    @jimgee2676 Před rokem +5

    nice to see tony bermuda hanging out at the dyno

  • @billyokley6723
    @billyokley6723 Před rokem +3

    Nick great video, very informative. Love to watch your videos. You have a good shop and great reputation for good workmanship. Keep being Nick and give us stuff to watch.

  • @waynelovejr.1005
    @waynelovejr.1005 Před 8 měsíci +5

    An excellent video comparing carbs and efi. Thanks to both of you for the videos you put out.

  • @russellbomgardner3817
    @russellbomgardner3817 Před rokem +5

    Thank you guys! The one other advantage of EFI I kept thinking about is daily climate changes and or altitude.

  • @ericball6000
    @ericball6000 Před rokem +9

    Dr. Nick, this is why I like this channel, all ways good content, good work George, cheers.

  • @pauls5745
    @pauls5745 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Nick has lived and breathed engines and combustion for decades. We are so glad he shares his know-how with us.

  • @Waxxumus
    @Waxxumus Před rokem +8

    Hey just wanted to let you know I love following you through these informative videos!
    Thank you for continuing to make wonderful content!
    I have learned much from you sir!

  • @staceygandy2009
    @staceygandy2009 Před rokem +12

    And for a 355 with parts picked from fans seemed to make a good little small block!

    • @hiteck007
      @hiteck007 Před rokem +1

      I was really impressed at what was put together too. It's a good sleeper motor that one.

  • @robertbass974
    @robertbass974 Před rokem +3

    Two of my favorite CZcams channels working together!

  • @ralphm4132
    @ralphm4132 Před rokem +3

    One thing that gave me pleasure was watching Nick check things, so many tiny things he just checks, it's a beautiful movement.
    Also, I wonder what happens to the barometric pressure in the dyno room when an engine starts throwing hundreds of cfm out the exhaust to sky.

  • @sr71blackbirddr
    @sr71blackbirddr Před rokem +9

    So Nicks ears and eyes can tune a carb to beat a computer which is constantly altering it's parameters to make power! Good old Nick 💪

    • @andrewstambaugh240
      @andrewstambaugh240 Před 11 měsíci

      He's looking at sensor data, not hearing afr.

    • @sr71blackbirddr
      @sr71blackbirddr Před 11 měsíci

      @andrewstambaugh240 I bet he doesn't need the data, I bet he wouldn't be far off from checking the plugs and using his senses.

  • @McBuggs.
    @McBuggs. Před rokem +13

    Well done Nick & Pat for explaining the experimentation of these two fuel systems on the dyno, so cool to view!

  • @CHMoore
    @CHMoore Před rokem +3

    Top notch collaboration on huge topic of carburetion !

  • @stephenlyons8589
    @stephenlyons8589 Před rokem +3

    I have always and will always love the sound of American muscle , that gas gulping tree stump ripping torque and hp chest rumbling sound just cannot be challenged or duplicated by tuners or exotic sports cars super cars none of them

  • @kevinhiltz2705
    @kevinhiltz2705 Před rokem +5

    Really good collaboration guys

  • @WaywardWhiteWalker
    @WaywardWhiteWalker Před rokem +3

    With the EFI it will adjust for colder, wet, hotter, going up a mountain and works great every time.

    • @WaywardWhiteWalker
      @WaywardWhiteWalker Před rokem

      @bk I'm from Wisconsin and I've got a 350 SBC TBi in my '93 K1500 and it is the easiest engine in the world. If you can't figure that one out, there isn't one you can. The self diagnosis on the ODB1 is great. It just tells you what sensor to replace.. That's basically what these new kits are. And a 355 in a S10 would pull hard.

    • @WaywardWhiteWalker
      @WaywardWhiteWalker Před rokem

      @bk I'll buy that old '89 pickup. If it's not too rusty. I'm near Milwaukee.

  • @bills2999
    @bills2999 Před rokem +2

    I'm a die hard EFI guy but I tip my hat to gents like you, Nick. It's the master's like you who fix all the little imperfections with carbs to make them worthwhile to compare to EFI....

  • @TrueIndie88
    @TrueIndie88 Před rokem +2

    I love the trial and error, trying to reach perfection. Thank you!

  • @rollinkevinlau9937
    @rollinkevinlau9937 Před rokem +6

    That’s what I have being built for my 57 Chev. Hoping for around 300 hp.
    Nice job Guys!

    • @rollinkevinlau9937
      @rollinkevinlau9937 Před rokem

      @Your Pappy
      It’s not a race car just shows decent.
      I’ve replace a lot. Front discs tube a frames. 5 leaf rear springs.
      500 series power steering.
      It’s a driver and want to be dependable.
      Also putting a 700R4 as well
      floors repaired and newer seats.
      Should be ready for spring.

  • @conover1978
    @conover1978 Před rokem +3

    I love Nick and his videos!! Mad props to Nicks garage !!!

  • @jsteed4388
    @jsteed4388 Před rokem +2

    One of my favorite videos from Nicks garage so far very interesting to watch you guys squeeze all the horsepower and torque out of that 355

  • @RedEyedPatriot
    @RedEyedPatriot Před rokem +3

    Glad to see the collaboration. I've been subbed to PissCutter almost as long as You Nick. 😎🏁🤟

  • @eddiekilby
    @eddiekilby Před rokem +3

    That distributor was moving all over the place LOL🤣🤣

  • @EricErnst
    @EricErnst Před rokem +4

    I've got the same heads and a smaller roller cam. I'm hoping for 400+lb/ft@3000rpms and 325hp at around 5000-5200rpms. It's a baby cam, with 202⁰/212⁰@.050" but comparatively high lift at .585"/.581". Should be great in my old pickup. I've just finished gathering all of the parts for a head/cam swap.
    My heads haven't had the port work that Pat's have. He helped me by recommending the heads and valvetrain parts. I really like his channel. It is very informative. Thanks for a great collaboration.

    • @cuttersperformance
      @cuttersperformance Před rokem +1

      Hey Eric! I think you will hit your power goals no problem man! I really didnt do much porting with the heads, mostly just cleaning up the oddly shaped intake port opening and pinch point. Thanks for the support!

  • @vcorzetto
    @vcorzetto Před rokem +2

    Awesome to watch the pros do their thing.

  • @tmackinator
    @tmackinator Před rokem +6

    One of your best videos, thanks for sharing.

  • @SpeakerKevin
    @SpeakerKevin Před rokem +3

    Loved this test. Camera work was top notch also.