The Division: E3 2013 vs. Now - graphics and gameplay comparison
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2016
- How much has The Division changed since it's announcement in 2013? Find out in this gameplay and graphics comparison video that pits the E3 2013 reveal trailer against Xbox One gameplay from the games most recent build!
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I'm not going to get this game just because I'm tired of Ubisoft's bullshit.
I hope you aren't a console player that expected the game to look like the high end PC build.
Yeah you are
Don't what you were expecting, as long as consoles exist, this will always happen.
+Dominique Smith I'm a PC gamer who don't want to play a console game on my high end pc
Dominique Smith You expect it to look like the way it did on PC? Well, mate, I've got bad news for ya.
I'm saying "ubisoftened" instead of "downgraded" from now on.
the real sad thing is that there are so many people who are going to buy this game... shit there are so many pre orders the ubi is already turning a profit before the game has even been released
+Mac PooPum This is what gaming industry is now. it sucks
+CrazyVolt only the bigger companies like EA and ubisoft... bethesda still makes great games. smaller companies still make decent games it's all these big companies that run the monopoly
+Mac PooPum Bethesda games are alright. Their character animations are incredibly outdated. Don't get me wrong, Skyrim was the tits but the NPCs always took me out of the fantasy.
+izzy104 that is true bethesda could use a new engine but what I like about them is that they fill their games with lore and detail it's all rich and complete. not like EA that promises us all these pixels and gives us downgraded peasant shit or promises us a new great franchise and gives us a half assed title with the full game being sold jn dlc
THAT POO EMOJI/FART NOISE IS SO FUCKING JUVENILE
+Caleb Daniel NO U
+Eurogamer really liked the video other than that! surprised you actually talked about the map.
+Caleb Daniel I work in a generally male office.....farting is still followed by giggles.... and we are all over 40.
We're men, of course we're juvenile.
+Craig Brydon Well, then I'm happy I don't work at your office.
Then you have a way boring life :)
In my opinion the e3 version of division had a better layout
And better fucking HUD and UI, why does it always have to be BRIGHT AND CLEAN
That’s not an opinion it’s a fact
The maverick 737 A *SOLID* FACT!!!
Joshua Saleem Yep.
no shit sherlock
Car Door Close Simulator 2016
+6o3matty lol
+6o3matty Cardoorcloser
+6o3matty Bruce Greene 2016
more like graphics downgrade simulator 2016
+6o3matty But you canT open it :D Angry Joe played with a dev in his video and at the point, the dev proudly said...."and yes we kept the feature that you can close the door", i think he also regreted the question...as Joe asked: "and can we also open it again for cover?" :D .....hehe the answer was "no" :D
"Second screen experience" was all the rage in 2013. I do not mourn it's loss.
+Kenneth Shelton A funeral befitting of a party.
+Kenneth Shelton still is. fallout 4 has a shitty fucking pip boy app for your phone that does nothing useful besides give Zenimax all your personal information.
+Exigentable App works fine for me.
I actually wonder if anyone does, I haven't experienced an second screen app that actually added to the game and wasn't a pain in the arse in some sense. Having a 12 inch tablet also probably doesn't help the matter though if I'm honest.
can you think of any apps at all that added real depth to the game they paired with?
Martyn James The Fallout app for me was more of a novelty than anything else.
We all know that watch dogs 2 was the only game that didn't get downgraded
Shane O Mac 0 actually, it did (well, sorta)
Vigilantee 2017 why you hate U-play?
oh so you talking to Vigilantee 2017
Vigilantee 2017 oh your comment disappeared
Shane O Mac 0 Assassins Creed Unity wasn't downgraded. They most likely downgrade a lot of games because, of how Assassins Creed Unity's release was; buggy and unresponsive. Unity was a good game but had a horrible start which made it get bad reviews. Which is probably why they downgraded this one. I'd honestly like a buggy game that'd be fixed upon a week or so of the initial release rather than a completely downgraded game but, that's just me. I personally love The Division but, it's sad to see it become downgraded so much.
In the retail version, they cleaned up the streets. good people man
Lol
Nah E3 version is actually first wave agents so they got the better UI while the second wave got the shitier retail one
@@DEEZ_N4T uh... could be a rendered scene... Like for Anthem... The reveal trailer... Was a fake one. It was actually a Rendered scene and EA wanted Bioware to make a game like it. But effectively couldn't do it. So it may be a one...
Too many environment details/obstacles would obviously be taxing on low-end pc and consoles. Obviously we’re talking about the Xbone here.
I think what you're all missing here is the reason for the downgrade. PS4 and Xbox One couldn't possibly hope to run this.
+Deroni76 The gameplay for the divison at e3 was a lie. they make you think its going to look like amazing but the reality is, its not. You, my friend have been blinded by Ubisofts lies. it was always going to look like the way it is today.
GUN _ SLINGER _ EIRE [Insert tin foil conspiracy here.]
PS4 and Xbox One weren't out yet during E3 2013. Ubisoft had no idea what they were going for when they showed the first demo. When it turned out the consoles were less powerful than what they thought, they were forced to downgrade it visually.
+Deroni76 PC is the same way, it'll look alot better. But now near 2013 build.
+Deroni76 Yeah..."tin foil conspiracy"....Lets look at every game they showed at an E3 at these AMAZING graphics and how great the games were and then lets look at the games on release...hmmm...rainbow six siege....watchdogs.....the division....assassins creed unity....far cry 4.....should I continue? It has NOTHING to do with the fact they knew that the consoles couldnt run it. They do it to hype people for the game. but please go ahead and keep making excuses for them.
Blood Celes No, you really shouldn't continue. Because you're spewing bullshit right now, and you know it. Half the games you listed weren't even downgraded at all.
It feels like they took a final game and made it beta lol wtf?
+KP-48 betas generally look better than the release. Two example games in my library would be Elite Dangerous and Planetside 2.
+Brendan Forish that's generally with ubishit
no... thats with nearly every game in existance. When you start a project there is very little game to it. Which means artists can make it look very very good and have it run 60 fps on shit hardware. But as the game develops and as more mechanics and scenery and whatever calcuations are added that same shit hardware can no longer get 60 fps. Which means then they must go back and tone down the graphics. Its not jsut ubisoft, its ea, it blizzard, its bethesda its everyone
Brendan Forish ea? Nah ea is good
The witcher 3 got downgraded I don't know another game not from ubisoft that has been downgraded
And I wasn't talking about graphics only
Many great things on the beta of the division are changed to worse
+KP-48 lol , so true. ahahaha, not buying this :/ , this list has been growing since watch dogs, I guess ubisoft is going downhill.
I think im the only one who loves the division, Without comparing, it honestly looks amazing and captures the look and feel of a cityz
Jake Borrelli Yeah and i like the way you can trick enemis by stealth in a fight.
Jake Borrelli Your not alone The Division is my GOTY. I love it, story ,combat everything.
Nicholas William you will never love the division as much as i love it
Nicholas William story what story there was only 3 cutscenes and expositions of people sounding like robots there was no feeling no emotion in none of the character heck I don't even know a name of one the main characters.
there are main characters?
Do you have an updated version of this comparison with the PC released version?
I think the HUD and menu system look terrible now compared to the 2013 trailer
+Thomas Hardy this is my only disapointment
+ivo Same here :(
+Thomas Hardy While it looks better I bet the UX would have sucked.
+Thomas Hardy They sacrificed good looks for user experience.. The change is for the better. The map in the pre-vis footage from E3 looks like a pain to navigate from that perspective. So yes it's a visual downgrade but it's all to help the user experience which is key.
+ProTw33ks Finally, somebody that gets it.
Lmfao I was right. Downgrade
+moath bo Laughing My Fucking Ass Off.
+moath bo Laughing my fucking ass off
If it looks the same on PC would it still be a downgrade?
+Ariel Vega 6 years old? Haha
+Ariel Vega 6 years old? Haha
So, a whole video on the diferences between both versions, yet you don't say a word about the downngrade on a piece of the gameplay that is supposed to be a key element in visual experience: animations. In the E3 demo, they look fantastic and organic like it was really a step forward in gaming animations, whereas in the current versions they still look clumsy as usual. IMO, this is symptomatic: nowadays, players and media are way too concerned about resolution, frame rate, textures and other minor elements that are important yeah, but shouldn't be as important as either physics or animations.
1) It's his video, he does what he wants
2) Gameplay is fine. People love it, don't have a problem with it. PVP is a problem, but it's pretty much been heavily fixed in patch 1.5 which dropped today
3) Stop assuming things and using that as a basis for your argument
X x aNNez x X I kind of agree with the animations and stuff, though the gameplay is great PvE, sometimes the AI doesn't seem very realistic, they don't utilize cover that well and often just run behind you and shoot which is both annoying and kind of illogical given they're runnin straight into their enemy's fire
@@INeedHerPomPomJuice The gameplay based around the bullet physics and the player models are more key to the overall gameplay than literally anything he mentioned. The announcement gameplay models animations and movements are more akin to GR Breakpoint than what we actually received which I think is a big difference. If it was that big of an issue they should have put the Dark Zone in different servers and removed the random players from interacting in the various headquarters. He compares these like it's subtle differences when these look/play like the same game from two drastically different realities. Ours vs a reality where they don't know how to lie smh.
@@MallThat NGL I have zero idea as to what you meant lol
At around 5:50 , how come the shoulder radio beacon of the player is different? how do you even do that?
1 word explanation: consoles
*sigh* ...stupid brainwashed pc gamers
+Cain Flores ikr
+Cain Flores Its true you idiot.. many games get downgraded because of consoles.
+Cain Flores Get a clue; current-gen hardware was dated when the specs were *announced*.
+WinterFreSh00 While consoles are obviously going to be downgraded, Unisoft blatantly lied.
E3 is such a lie festival.
It really is.
Yup. A dick measuring contest is all it is.
+IronMattO3 Arkham Knight barely had any down grades if not any.
+HURME No rofl. E3 goes back decades and has always been an amazing place for the gaming industry to show off it's upcoming hardware / software. But since the entire gaming industry has been bought out in the mid / late 2000's, and now they don't give a fuck about the law because they have gotten away with it so many times, many developers (who are now owned by giant media conglomerates and do everything they are told to do) secure millions of pre-orders based on false advertising.
It's not E3, it's the companies who now own the companies who make the games and the consumers who take it laying down year on year.
E3 Demos show a games concept...not a final product.
its like getting mad when a production car doesnt look like its concept.
in both cases, the butthurt consumer is just naive.
Just wanted to make one correction, there were maps at each of the command centers during the beta and you could update yours by scanning them just like in the E3 video.
Map updating is in the game, was there in beta when you went to the bases and clicked the maps located at each one.
Tablet option was announced to be removed almost a year ago.
You've opened my eyes. This game looked so good in 2013. Now it's trash, and I'm not gonna spend $60 on trash.
you will. Everyone will
+Kiki Andre if you will, youre dumb... ubisoft are a bunch of liars and money hungry whores... i would expect the whole world to know this by now...
Over graphics...I hate people like you
KnockCZ I'm dumb? Do you really think a big company like ubi will be a 100% honest with there customers. You must have been blind thinking a game with PC graphics would actually like that in the end. This game is going to good and as soon as you start seeing the videos and walkthroughs you'll start second guessing the game and end up buying it.
Kiki Andre ubisoft wont see another penny from me man
with ubisoft, i highly doubt that the pc will look better than the consoles. maybe higher resolution and fps, but it's probably gonna be the same graphics
+iRoCk97
> i highly doubt that the pc will look better than the consoles.
> maybe higher resolution and fps
choose one.
+TotalBiscuit, The Cynical Brit Got anything better to do than picking on kids?
+zwete Cry a fuckin river why don't ya.. It's called engaging with others.
+zwete picking on kids? he corrected a very recognizable mistake
+zwete haha you jealous?
are they still going to implement the dinamic dark zones, i remember hearing that they say that the dark zone where going to be zones that could change locations
5:08 The map thing is in the game i did it in the starting area.
I'm gonna test it out on PC and see if I want to buy it. I really thought this game was gonna be realistic as are its graphics, but no, it's just a Destiny like game in a NYC post apo universe. I don't think stealth will be an option, I don't think headshoting ennemies/players with be possible with that bloody bullet sponge mechanic.
The graphics are the least of my concerns for this game really.
+The XXI well it's important to understand that it's an RPG and that's why enemies are bullet sponges. Wouldn't make much sense to have an rpg where all the enemies can be one shotted except for bosses and elits. I do understand your opinion though and I also doubt that stealth will be any more of a mechanic other than having friends taking fire and you sitting back with a sniper avoiding bullets, if you wanna call that stealth. Also as a side note, it's not post apocalyptic, you're playing in an ongoing pandemic, like 2 weeks after the outbrake.
+oVERGROUND it may not be feasible technically (pretty graphics plus many moving pieces must be a nightmare for devs in terms of resources) but I've always preferred an increase in enemy numbers than having a few bullet sponges.
oVERGROUND
Yeah but see, in Bethesda games, stealth is feasible, by having damage multiplier etc, that really could be applicable in The Division with the upgrade trees that we saw.
I really think they fucked up, instead of sponges they could've gone for higher number of enemies. You just don't put bullet sponges in a hyper realistic environment and more so in one that exist in the real world, it really kills it for me.
+The XXI Slows down framerate if you have more enemies. It's a tradeoff Ubisoft had to make ultimately.
+The XXI It's a Shooter RPG, so bullet sponge enemies is sorta the name of the game here.
Wow, I wasn't too fussed about the graphics and the like, but the changes to the HUD REALLY disappoint. It was far more immersive and fitted the world and game a lot more. Now it seems to be casualified and lazy. Took a lot of hype out of me.
Exactly. As if they wanted to cater to noobish players and thought, "Hey, let's make the health bar three times larger!"
I'm also not keen on the minimap, to be honest. I liked it being kind of spontaneous. Like you could only navigate with your map and your curiosity. If you see an apartment building, go have a look. And if you suddenly encounter enemies, than either improvise or high tail it and come back later.
I don't know. They definitely dumbed it down to sell it to a more casual fan base.
Cade Wilks
Totally agree, really nervous for the game now.
+Crona „Thunderhaz“ Gorgon Look at the extent of the stuff that is in the menu. There are like 12 skills, all with around 12 talents? that can enhance them. You got several slots to equip armor and weapons and each weapon has around 2-6 mod slots... and now try to manage that with a menu that emerges from your watch and only shows 2-3 rows at all time.. horrible. It takes you out of the "immersion" but you have everything you need at one big screen, and I think that was the intent with the UI change. Same with the map, it looked cool but hell, you can't see anything on the 2013 map, and there are not even markers or anything one there. Think about finding one PoI or a vendor on that map *shrug*
Stellfoy
I'd prefer the immersion, simply when you click an option on the first menu, it takes you to the next and it looks much nicer. Also there was FAR less UI clutter on the build we saw at e3 2013, I mean why is it 1/3 up the screen now and why does it look so much brighter?
Casualised ? Get used to that word. Thank people who support lazy devs.
Map scanning is still present in the Beta!
One map at central base and another where you first start with at the Player Camp.
the map scanning is in the game its at safe houses when you first unlock them, if the safehouse is in an area you haven't discovered yet then you get the chance to scan it and update the area..
the new hud is so generic it's so been there done that. the e3 one far more exciting. what's the resolution just cu
curious
+paul mcgettigan 144p, maybe 360p if your pushing it.
+paul mcgettigan with consistent 12fps
+paul mcgettigan The E3 one would have been 100% a pain to implement properly.
What you saw in 2013 was an early visualization. Obviously that's going to change significantly as they develop and add systems. In all likelyhood, the 2013 E3 HUD was just too impractical to implement everything properly.
Pandemonium Doom That's silly. You show a game 2 years before launch. On top of that it gets delayed...
Ofcourse things are going to change. That's normal. People should realize that. It happens to TONS of games. It's just normal iterative game development
First with Watchdogs, and now this game. Ubisoft is becoming deceptive. Why showcase a game with amazing graphics and then downgrade the shit out of it?, all it does is lead to disappointment...
....and consumer anger (consumer meaning us videogamers)
+Chris P. Bacon It leads to disappointment by the developers as well. A lot of the time developers will have amazing ideas and dreams for their games and as time progresses they reach more and more roadblocks. The developers may have imagined a game very similar to the E3 demo but with a more larger scale but once you start moving away from that small vertical slice things start to go down hill. The tiny map they may have actually had developed in the demo may have ran perfectly fine looking like it did then but as they developed more and more they could realise that current hardware just wont be able to handle it well (not necessarily the consoles). They may reach a point where the game takes titan x' in sli to run it well which just isn't feasible for the average or even most hardcore consumers so they will downgrade a lot of the fancy lighting like you see in this video.
I'd much rather see the game downgraded than see the game so demanding that 99% of the people interested in the game couldn't even play it.
Smokem the bear No need to be a dick about it, sheesh.
-->"becoming deceptive"
Amarok ----->"-->" , >.
There was a map scan in the base of operations, where you could update with side missions in the beta.
okay i got a good question if you watch during your video there are 2 different part where the player chris is using a flying drone it shows he is afk and says tablet and when you see the drone fly in view of the players it says chris and tablet... What i want to know is that if your away can you use your iphone or in any case the tablet to control a drone in game while you are away from the game...
Nintendo is the only company that shows off true in game gameplay
343 industries do
+sinchman1 naughty dog
cuongwashere Bullshit Naughty Dog does the same thing just look at Uncharted 4
sinchman1 look at uncharted 1-3, last of us.. they only show in game gameplay. Actually every thing looked way better on release.
cuongwashere I was there at E3 Naughty Dog is BS as well stop protecting them.
The Drone is confirmed removed. They said the team with the drone won like 95% of the time, given everything else is equal. Thats a good reason i think ^^
+Paddy Link to facts? Cause this makes no sense if both teams have drone capability. The side by side screening was shit. The cross over did not take well in other games that used it in the past. Its old news and crap cross play.
+NoOneImportant556 But you are forced to have a guy playing a freaking drone on a tablet to be able to compete with other squads, thats dumb
Paddy Still. do you have the link to that statistic or at least comment?
And yea it is dumb. Which is why they removed it. Like I said other games have tried to implement tablet and hand side by side and it sucks and has fallen on its face in every console game its been featured.
Sorry but no, the drone was a fantastic idea, they just didn't want to spend the time to make it work. There are other games with drones that work brilliantly. They just didn't want to take the time to implement it. Not buying this game.
+Paddy No one's forced to do anything, and honestly the "we took out because it was too OP" is a terrible excuse. There are many other ways to realise visions, they were just lazy.
Map scanning is in there, though there were only two you could scan in the beta: one at the docks where you start, and the other inside the base after you liberate it.
There is a map scanning feature and it updates on your own map. Its featured in the betas in the Base of Operations and the spawning area.
I'm a game developer so I'll try to explain the differences you see here.
Reflexions usually are quite expensive to render, they might be full blown on a high end pc but they have to be blurred on consoles as they can't handle that rendering power.
When making a video game usually the high poly stuff is ready first and you create LODs (level of detail) meshes which are lower in poly and they are displayed when further from the camera, on the e3 demo they used high res meshes for everything while in the final one you have LODS kicking in.
HUD changes are for user experience. You wouldn't want a beautiful hud that you hate navigating.
If I recall correctly consoles can have a max of 2k resolution textures, PCs can even have 8k.
If the game has a day/night cycle then it means it uses dynamic lighting, which is expensive to render, you can have low poly models and low res textures but with good lighting they can look stunning, so the quality of lighting is what will give 80% of the visual beauty. That's why the Xbox one version looks more washed out and boring.
The pc version might be better because of more horsepower, but it might also not be too far from this as they might have toned down everything to have just one single build for all the platforms
+Patryk Ponichtera I can cook it down even quicker.
E3 (and similar "events") are marketing. You want your product to pop and shine.
Nothing more to it.
+Jori Diculous not really, over promising is never good. I pre-ordered the division, but now my pre-order is cancelled because it doesn't seem as I expected it to be. So it's not good marketing.
Also studios and game developers are the ones that are most disappointed when they find out they can't ship a game as they planned and they have to downgrade it. No one likes that part. Also downgrading has a cost, since you have to rework on stuff.
Indie games usually look better when shipped than in alpha versions, that's because indie devs often use placeholder models. Big studios usually show with their high res meshes so the final game will usually look worse, unless they make lighting improvements
Patryk Ponichtera And yet, they always do it. Every single AAA game its the same story. E3 trailers looks amazing! Come release day, "poop".
To be fair though. Looking at the E3 trailer and the gameplay i have seen so far, the graphics doesn't look that much of a downgrade. Its more the eye candy like reflections, lights, shadows etc, the lack of rubble "street candy". One can only hope this is better on PC who got the power to handle more rubble, cars etc. But for the lights and that. wait for the ENB to (hopefully)be coded.
A indie game trying the same marketing tricks would be the death of that dev :P
+Jori Diculous Yea, they're not as bad of a drop as I honestly expected. E3 vertical slices are always unrepresentative, and thanks Patryk for the extra insight.
Lol you remind me of a 2D flash animator trying to act like he knows about 3D programming.....
I def won't be buying this game.
+jrodificator1 -for console-
for anything.
jrodificator1 -Ever again-
+jrodificator1 you won't and lot's of people won't by the same reason...and ubisoft won't learn anything from it and will keep making the same mistake.
+jrodificator1 I was definitely interested in this game... "Was." Now it looks really bad.
Maybe you can upgrade your watch and map layout. And there is bulletin board you can scan on the beta for new side missions. Need to see if there is a second screen, I do love using my tablet in a game as it adds immersion for me, it'll be awesome to use a drone as a second screen.
5:13 that map scanning thing can be done at every safehouse...
tho the inventory graphics are cooler at the trailer, i much prefer what is used now. it's simply cleaner and easier to see. function > form.
The lighting model looks completely different (and shit) too. Is that because consoles can't do the lighting systems that Maxwell based GPU's can and this it's been removed? VXGI VXAO?
+John Michael Stock Pretty Games should be developed for PC rather being ported from consoles.
You should really stop acting like you know anything about graphics just because you watch Nvidia's videos. No devs use their lighting models.
+cristi1990an I'm a games developer who has written a games engine. Have you? Thought not. You know fuck all if you think nVidias lighting models are not being used for games. Get off my lawn you silly little child
John Michael Stock Lol, ok... I'll bite. Tell me what revolutionary yet underrated indie game you've made.
+cristi1990an Game engine not game. Stop with your presumptuous and attempt at demeaning attitude. Believe it or not, there are smarter and more predictive people out there than you.
Lighting doesnt look as good.
lol du kommentierst doch sonst immer unter DEN news
***** something you can change with reshade; the hud changes are worse
+Horst Kugel teh HUD doenst look as awesome as in 2013, but I think it has a better overview and Navigation.
+Waddehaddeduddedaa Lighting looks better now. The Dark Zone at night looks absolutely fantastic.
Did the E3 version have gear score? Or was that added cos of Destiny?
The map scan worked for me once in the base, but seemed to bug out afterward
Do people still keep preordering games? A question. Why? unless you are a lets player to have a first cashgrab on early content. Why would you preorder? I've never preordered a single game.
I preordered the division as a digital copy to get beta access and even though the the game has had a downgrade I can't explain how fun the game is. I buy digital games nearly all the time instead of hard copy (I hate swapping discs I always lose them) so preordering is just letting me preload the game ready for release really.
Yes In your case i understand, if you really do stand by ubisoft and enjoy their games. But all people in the comments down below keep complaining about how ubisoft have failed them again, and again, and again. And these opinions are always the same with each of new ubisoft game coming out. That is where i am coming from. Stop preordering, don't buy the game you probably wouldn't like, if you lost trust in ubisoft, why trust them again. They fool themselves again, keep preordering games and keep complaining. Then don't complain god damn it. P.S. I don't like digital, all my games are hard copies, i kinda like the old feeling of having a game in your hands. I have a nice collection.
***** i'm not a massive fan of ubisoft i'll admit they do practice some shady tactics in game advertising but people act like this downgrade is anywhere near the level of watchdogs and frankly it's not. i was skeptical but since playing the beta im convinced i will enjoy this game if i can log 20 hours into the beta were not much content is included at all i cant imagine how long i'll have fun with the main game and DLC's most of these people in the comments feel too entitled and dont understand how much power and memory these kind of games actually take to create.
I think that preordering is part of what is going wrong in gaming today. However, in this case I did it so I could get into the beta. So far, I pretty much like what I'm playing so I'm not canceling my preorder, which I was damn sure gonna do if I didn't like it.
+gedozvon Beta? Exclusive pre order only content? You can play as soon as a game drops at midnight if you pre order the digital copy. You can get thepayment over with so that you dont haveto deal with it later
I doubt this is because of Xbox's hardware, we've seen much better looking stuff running smoother than what the Devision is like now. This is just Ubisoft putting more money into an initial reveal, only to pull back when it comes to the full game. They can't put all the assets into the full game or else it would quadruple the cost of development.
+Dinobot2468 Wrong. It's definitely because of the console hardware. Ubisoft does have some shady practices. But all the downgrades that have happened in the industry, only happen because the PS4 and the XO can't handle it.
The E3 reveal was obviously done on a PC. Once the devs got a hand on the new console they had to bring the graphics down.
+Daniel Delgado thank you some one who actually understands like bitches complaining and shit and they don't know why
+Daniel Delgado and yes obviously done pc nearly every game at e3 is
Mr.CrowGamer Yes but you can't expect a game of this size and time scale to look as good as it did in the small E3 demo. It could, but due to budget it was likely scaled down, and even further for consoles. But look at The Last of Us, its a last gen game and arguably looks just as good. Mad Max is better looking, Infamous is better looking, Killzone is better looking, there is some serious optimisation that could be done but Ubisoft doesnt have the budget to perform.
+Dinobot2468 but why downgrade if the new console can handle everything now especially the ps4 just look at uncharted 4 everything is beautiful in that game even Drake clothes get muddy or his brother shirt moves in with the wind and that's coming from naughty dog a small company that made spyro and jak and dexter.
There was a two scan mapping interactions in the beta (one at Camp Hudson and one at JTF fob). several differences was only because you compared to a console.
There WAS map scanning in the beta. There was a map in either base that you could scan to update your map, though I didn't notice any actual changes to the map after scanning.
Left 4 Dead 2 > The Division
No
Yes
+Hater 2.0 Little Big Planet > Division
Destiny = The Division
+Baylor Collins no! no god please no, noooooooooo!
I played through the beta on PC at max settings and it's not a bad looking game but the lighting and world detail is not nearly as good as the reveal.
That's really not the biggest problem with this game though... it's just not any fun. There is exactly zero diversity to the missions (basically go to point A and kill some guys) Woop dee doo.
Shooting and movement mechanics felt janky and laggy, enemies are bullet sponges and the enemy AI isn't very good.
Just blah overall. Definitely giving this one at least 4~6 months post release to get patched and have more stuff added before considering buying.
+FastRedPonyCar Hey bro! Soetdjuret here (formerly Nanosuitguy) From NVnews forums back in the Crysis 1 days (the guy who spammed beautiful downsampled crysis shots in the official screenshot thread) xD. I just wanted to say hi!
By the way, did you see my awesome division beta screenshots? If not, you must check them out: forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1382881-Feedback-The-Division-a-better-optimization-!-And-everyone-know-the-downgrade-!?p=11341669&viewfull=1#post11341669
Those screenshots are questioning the downgraded visuals discussion IMO. :)
+PappaSlask fuckin weirdo who the fuck talks like that?
+PappaSlask
i saw those screens,nothing close to what we were shown,for god sake 3 years later game looks like shit.Same thing happened with witcher 3.But at least when witcher 3 came out it looked much better then this.
+PappaSlask yeah man! you always had some awesome crysis shots. yeah I think that the division isn't a BAD looking game from a perspective of texture resolution and that stuff but the overall global illumination and environmental lighting as well as just amounts of debris in the world seems to be a bit lacking vs what we saw at the reveal.
ATX max
Fuck you! Me and RedPony goes waaaay back!
You also forgot how the loot chests would open showing your guns and the inside of the chest while also showing the stats of the gear before you pick it up like borderland chests they cut that also
The map scanning is in the game. If you visited the Hub or your base in the betas there was a map there you could scan to find all the side quests.
Its bad how this is just expected by Ubisoft now, a real shame.
First the downgraded graphics, then the comparisons to destiny, and its all brought to us by ubisoft.... Yea three strikes and im out.
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Horst Kugel That too lol
+Jay Hill He is comparing PC to Xbox. An xbox can not run the graphics as well.
+Jay Hill Everyone wants the massive MMO franchise Bungie made. I almost wonder if The Division wasn't intended to be an always on multiplayer game until Ubi saw the success of Shit (Destiny) and wanted in on the market.
dpunk3 I cant stand destiny lol
The map update thing were you walk up to a map and download the info was in the beta for the one! :3
And now post release we actually do know that there is a map scanning feature in the game.
So anyone else playing this on the PC? I think the PC version looks like the E3 version. The PC version does have more visual options so this is an un-fair comparison.
+Will Penley Played the beta, basically console but slightly better texture. Nowhere near 2013 E3 gameplay. Played both XB1 and PC
+R C Agreed. I also played both Xbox One and PC versions and the platform you're playing on obviously doesn't change the HUD or world map, just load times and graphical quality. I wish they would have kept the original HUD, as I like it much better.
+Brian Lee Yeah I don't understand why they changed the HUD I too liked it better.
+Will Penley PC versions still lacks the immersive trash on the streets and ravaged interiors.
Legalize Pedophilia Exactly. Again, there is no doubt that the PC version looks better and (depending on your rig) runs better but it's definitely not what was shown at E3.
Was very hyped for this game with all the cool things I saw back when it first aired to the world. I thought MAN. With all the Tom Clancy games I've played, I surely HAVE to have this.
Then as time went on, I got to see the walkthroughs and demos and saw how the game changed from Great... to good... to ok... to something stupid. Yeah, the core of the game is still there which is... you're an agent and you're killing stuff... with guns and tech. That's it? But it feels a lot like Destiny rather than a Tom Clancy game. If you had played ANY TC game, you'd know that it has style(graphics, customization, etc) and it had substance(meaningful encounters, decisions- ammo management, etc) together with enemies that seemed endless but actually weren't. They felt endless because you could feel the intensity of the firefights and you felt the thrill of your life as your ammo went down while bullets whizzed through buzzing and cracking wood, concrete and metal as you struggled getting from one cover to the next. At some point, you knew that your shots mattered. Every bullet counts. You weren't a sponge either. Every hit you take counts. You know, like how it is supposed to feel like?
So. What did they do here?
They gave you bullet sponge enemies and A LOT of ammo. This killed it for me. In a TC game, you are supposed to be a bad ass, the 1 shot killing, stealth ninja super soldier of doom. Here, you're a spray and pray agent who has a hard time taking down 1 nameless "mob" soldier who takes 30 bullets in the face and still finds time to fire a few bullets before he goes down. Give these super enemy soldiers some aim and outnumber the players by 1 and there you have it, the so called challenge. Instead of making the enemy retreat, you'd be the one retreating with your tail between your legs. Then you regroup with the only viable tactic this game has: luring them to choke points.
The only real thrill we get here is running for your lives because the enemy charges you or outnumbers you by 1. WAT. Not buying into this shit. Very sad Tom Clancy died; but happy he didn't live long enough to see them murder his work. FML. They should just rename the title to Tom Clancy's Bullet Sponge: Unlimited
I mean honestly. They could have things realistic with 1 shot kills and just had everyone go with very little ammo to work with. But no. They had to cater to a massive audience who they can't trust to enjoy a game that was meant to be set in a world of a tactical survival genre. Now we have Destiny clone painted with TC's name.
+The Adam Confederacy Tom clancy games did used to have the best gunfights. They were the shooters that made you think about every move you make, more of a strategy game really. That bullet sponge shit is completely out of place in a T.C. game. Strategic combat is always better than run-and-gun, too bad that genre is a dying breed. I 100% agree with you.
+The Adam Confederacy Yup. It's the cold hard truth. From playing the Rainbow Six games, to the Splinter Cell games, to the past Ghost Recon games, all of them were truly great. But this game just looks atrocious in its current form. It's just so hard to believe that why would Ubisoft put in all that effort into making the game so vibrant and only in the end to strip it all of its former beauty when they knew they'd most likely have to downgrade it. It's such false advertising and I don't care what anyone says. At least the guys over at DICE still made their battlefront game look absolutely gorgeous upon release despite its lackluster gameplay, so why couldn't Ubisoft do the same to its textures? Doesn't make any sense. As for gameplay, yea I'm not clicking with the "rpg" style hit marker numbers. Maybe a few would be ok as like indicators, but too many and it just becomes unrealistic, especially in a potentially realistic story setting/environment.
Well.... here's to hope that Ghost Recon Wildlands doesn't fail us. Cheers~
+The Adam Confederacy but you're forgetting that TC: the Division isn't a tactical shooter per say as its predecessors like Rainbow 6 and Splinter Cell; the Division is an RPG, which is why the enemies take so many hits, you can see the damage indicators when you hit them, and don't begin with the you-can't-one-shot-anyone-in-this-game either, because you can... oh, and by the way, the Division is honestly nothing like Destiny, sure people will want you to believe that, but it's not
Madison Bjerre His whole point is that those mechanics are completely out of place for a TC game, games that used to focus more on realism. Just because its an rpg doesn't mean that the enemys have to be bullet sponges. Gta online is an RPG, but it doesn't take almost 2 magazines to kill an opponent. If The Division had better, more realistic gunfights, it would be a lot more intense, and the damage indicators ruin immersion. It's marketed as a tactical RPG, but tactics go out the window when you get rushed by swarms of bullet sponges, it just turns into spray-and-pray. They should've changed the games' name and did their own thing. TC games set the bar very high for realism, and this game lowered it to the point that this is hardly a TC game. Sadly this isn't the first game to tarnish the TC brand.
The map scanning was in the most recent beta. It was by the mod and gear shop in the base of operations
the map scanning is still in the game. there was a map in each of the two hubs that you could scan for bonus encounters.
Played the Alpha, loved how the game looked, loved how the game played even more. Has it been downgraded? Who gives a crap. Millions of people play Minecraft without caring about how it looks. This is still one of the best looking games on console; the E3 builds were clearly being played on PC.
+Artibeus Exactly what I think, I played the Alpha aswell, and yes there is a little downgrade, but who cares, game's still awesome !
+Artibeus you havent played the alpha. there was no test prior to in house testing.
It wont ruin my experience of the game when it releases. ;)
I hope that having to empty 2 mags just to kill a street thug won't.
Baylor Collins Yeah it's a bit weird to get used to. But again it's an RPG. What do you expect? Maybe they could downtune it a little bit, when the BETA is tested. I gotta admit it's too much effort on basically something that's not that special. Bugs and glitches will disappear as gamers will inform the developers about them. Like it was done with Battlefront. ;)
+Baylor Collins do you even know what an rpg is? not everything is xxx420xblazeitxkwikskopexxx
+Berenger Christy I've played several ROGs. I remember one time while I was playing Guild Wars 2, a joined in with a sizable group attacking a pirate encampment for a quest and a boss pirate spawned. However, the pirate was somewhat bugged, and had around 100 times the health of his fellow pirates. He pushed us back so far we might as well just given up. Tons of effort, wasted for some copper and karma( which I never found a good use for other than rotting away in my pockets). If the enemies in this game have lots of valuable loot drops, it might be less discouraging to take them on, but from the gameplay that I've seen, The lack of a class system( and thus, no useless loot) might make it much more playable.Hopefully.
+Baylor Collins Sorry, autocorrect and useless mobile phone screen keypads butchered my comment. I meant RPGs
So,in e3 do they actually play a game and show you or do they show you a pre recorded gameplay video?
"The map scanning stuff" is in there
Is it always happens with ubisoft games?
Most of the time.
+Free Roam This happens with every game, mainly because those demos are built specifically for either really beefed up PC builds or prerendered on beefed up PCs to show the audience. This isn't anything new nor is it anything close to a Ubisoft exclusive.
It's consoles and the penny pinching idiots who don't want to upgrade anything even though their computer is 10 years old and they can afford it combined with a great many people not knowing how to set up good computers (that's fine) so a great many greedy companies bait them into buying 10 year old computers at full price anyways making them think it's the shit.
Mostly. But it can happen to any other game and has.
+BunkerStrategist well not with rayman or any 2d game any alse yes
Not with FC Primal.
Over 2 years of development happened since that footage. How can you possibly expect there won't be any notable changes? Also, the reveal was obviously on a PC; why would they reveal their game at lower than best graphical fidelity? I understood from the beginning that the console release would be subpar to the gameplay reveal, and many changes are bound to happen over a course of 2-3 years.
+NJPwN
Almost 3 years time....well i expect a graphical upgrade NOT downgrade because they had 3 fuckin years! time to learn how the consoles archticture works! Sorry but they are just to lazy to do the work.
Even the almost 9 (!) years old Crysis 1 had better graphics than this :D
+DerHalbeEuro 3 years of development means more content, which means more optimization to meet asset budgets for consoles. When it comes to developing for multiple platforms, there are limits and boundaries on how detailed (asset/polygon count) the content can be. A game like Crysis 1 was built and released for only PC, with little to no limits on the engine's output. The game was ported to consoles years later, where you can see what limits the game became plagued with in result. No doubt, if the game was exclusively developed for PC release, we wouldn't have seen any graphical downgrade. But the simple fact is that more content means better optimization is required. It's a real thing that goes on in game development. Ubisoft just makes it clear to consumers because they show the game's full potential at reveal, then the optimized version on console.
But in all honesty, although the game's console version suffered graphicly-- it still looks incredible compared to most console games. Most of you are just being overly dramatic.
NJPwN
I understand what you mean but yeah we are all very disapointed. I just hope that the PC version will look like the E3 Demo from 2013 otherwise i will not buy this game.
DerHalbeEuro Fair enough, I hope so too.
Seriously?! You honestly believe the final version on PC will come close to the E3 demo? Lol!
On the alpha there were two maps one on the starting social area and other on your base and when you scan them you get information about side missions and collectibles
the map scanning is in the final game you do it at safe houses
the pc ultra have been a little downgraded but not much. less objects in the street and less accurate impacts on the glass.
+Elite GamingWolf agreed. Maybe they are trying to cater to a wider range of GPUs than what was available in 2012-2013.....it seems like they are trying to maximize sales across the board. They may not want to isolate people with GTS 450 by making this seem like one would need a 980 to run it. As enthusiasts, we may know how to optimize GPU settings, but I can say with certain confidence a majority of "gamers" do not.
Good point.
+Elite GamingWolf They downgrade graphics and then let modders do the upgrades later. It has been the same way for most PC games
Elite GamingWolf me neither. we would have never known if the original version would run well for most people either but what I'm saying is theres still hope for the graphic hungry people out there
+SnowBlock cant really mod a mmorpg not inless some one makes a private server
If you are a real gamer you will BOYCOTT this fucking game. Don't encourage Ubisoft to keep making mediocre games by supporting the tripe.
+Jimmy Lori Have you played it?
You know the Beta is out and there are thousands of hours to watch online right? Do you live under a rock?
Jimmy Lori So you haven't. Nice.
I have played the Beta and watched countless hours online. Fuck off now please.
Jimmy Lori You haven't actually played the beta. ADMIT IT!
It's so funny how we're talking about the puddle reflection almost being a flaw. I remember how cool it was when the the characters moved their feet up stairs in call of duty 3 lol
I now ignore ubisoft trailers to enjoy their games :')
Ur right
Johnny Rebel You know what sucks? I told my friend to get The Division, and he said he was saving up for it already, and that he even started watching the trailers. I then told him the trailers weren't what the final game is like, and he stopped saving. Now, I'm currently begging him to get it anyways, because it's still an okay game as is.
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No, it's not. It sucks ass.
Wow you must get scammed alot
This is exactly what I was looking for. A lot of the E3 stuff looked so stunning like the rubbish littering the streets and the almost claustrophobic feel to that police station. After playing the beta it didn't have that same feel but it's still a fantastic game and I can't wait to see more! - R
never pre order a game frome ubisoft
SpeCialist *buy
Randy Marsh true xD
never pre order period
you mean from any company
the map scanning is in the game it is used to show the player locations of encounters
FYI The debris does fill the streets depending on your location even on XB1, you can scan maps still.
1.5 is out now. it looks a lot more like e3 now
What do you mean, what aspects
Shut up still the same
jonathan tabares still the same lol
Johnsonboii 99 make me. Im so intimidated by the one and only internet warrior
haha im a warrior dont meess with me lol
“Do that thing with the like button so it makes thumb go up” lmao
The map-scanning is in the game, it's in safehouses when you update the map.
Nice work comparing side by side allot of people dont do that 💩 and its very clear how you described the differences keep up the good work
Someone please answer! Can we turn off the enemy health bars and health point system? It takes away the immersion for me cause I can't enjoy the thrill of shooting with all those points and colors bouncing off.
+Sham Sher you can, i saw a video on the division official webpage. It is under pro tips, it shows you how to removed the points and health bars.
+Sham Sher check the options. theres tons of settings. including adjusting the whole hud.
+Sham Sher sort of. you can remove numbers but not sure about everything on screen. I do remember hud disappearance in the beta.
phildean justsarandomstalke thanks guys!
Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak thanks!
Please do not compare a preview running on a high end PC with a final version running on a console. Please do it against a high end pc with all settings at high.
Excuse you, high? What is this 2002? Ultra is the word you're looking for.
John Ciaccio way too late to be commenting this but they did that, and it still looked like dog shit compared to the e3 reveal.
The pc version is the same downgraded like all others v on console I play on pc 2020 ubglitch they are the biggest liers
they also changed the way your character walks, not really anything but I couldn't help but notice that in the e3 version the elbows are kept in, on the release version the right elbow sticks out more.
So why does this go from E3 vs current to playstation vs xbox one? Is the current PS4 version equal to the E3 2013 reveal?
Another one, Another one
The graphics havent been downgraded. They were upgraded for the "gameplay" videos.
+Walther Penne you didnt understand. They never downgraded the whole City. They reworked the gameplay Videos, so everybody is hyped and buys the game. They added in some stuff so it looks better.
+MediaLiveHD lol
+MediaLiveHD My god. Finally someone with a brain inside the head... Thank you.
still lying to us though
Didn't we know last year that the tablet support had been removed? I thought I heard about that, months ago.
Map scanning is still there, during the open beta at Camp Hudson there was one such map that a player could scan.
ubisoft seriously fucked up this game why did they change the map and everything else 😠😠😩
+BLACKSPOT User experience.. The map in the original trailer looked cool but would have been a pain to navigate...
ProTw33ks no it wouldn't
+ProTw33ks I would rather take longer to get used to a map that looks cooler than be quick on a less cool looking map
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until we see PC gameplay.
Maps scanning is in the game. It's used to find encounters
Was there any answer of the Why???
im done. im done with ubisoft. i was never as exited for any game as i was for this one, and they managed to fuck it up.
developers of today,are fucking up games you get a unfinished game with 9000 dlcs and the graphics look shit well i have hope for star citizen
Well except for Naughtydog and some games like Grand Tourismo Sport
Jesse Vantol 👍👌👏
beggar can't be chooser
this is why i only play naughtydogs, rockstars, and some bandai games like dark souls and dbz
Star Citizen may be our only salvation m8! Can't wait for 3.0, it's so close now :O
The map scanning is still in the game, and we didn't get enough of the player zones to see if there are skirmishes in the full game like the Police Station, but there will be indoor events.
I've heard we maybe got about 6% of the actual game with the beta.
The scanning the map for information is still in the game when I played the open beta
welcome to new generations of consoles and 500 mgz gpu
+KillerPRO1999 In a world where -console- technology never past the 16bit processing language, a dark future where disappointment reins, dreams and hopes are crushed under it's might.
+SpyzacFilms in a world where hackers can ruin your game with only one click mods that broke your game no good exclusives man
Kako Mohammed Dark times are nigh...
what iron man?
Kako Mohammed huh?
When I first saw reviews for this game I though ok it's another medicore title with 6/10 score. But after I bought full version of it two weeks ago I'm having a blast with two of my friends. For me it's strong 8/10. The game lacks sometimes with depth or having some crash issues but it's a really nice team shooter. And if you can max it out like I did the game looks sweet :)
Ubisoft E3 builds to retail builds are basically when you add too much objects, effects and scripts in Arma 3 to make your scenario “immersive” only to end up in a laggy mess so you are forced to downgrade 90% of it just to get 30FPS
Map scanning is still there just so you know i did it and it revealed a couple side missions like encounters and enemy strongholds