Irreversible Damage? | Abigail Shrier | EP 159
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2021
- This episode was recorded on 01/06/21
Abigail Shrier and I discuss identity, gender dysphoria, the increased rate of gender transitioning procedures among young female adolescents, details of these procedures, de-transitioning, her personal experiences writing her book “Irreversible Damage”, and more.
Abigail Shrier is a frequent contributor to the Wall Street Journal and author of Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. Abigail used her experience as a journalist to interview a wide variety of experts on the explosion in the number of young women self-diagnosing and taking steps to transition to male using hormones and surgery physically.
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I don't think it really hit me until now that Jordan Peterson almost died... We almost lost him. And he survived....... I feel so much gratitude. He is a precious treasure in our mad world.
His wife almost died too. They're a family of survivors.
Yes. I am so thankful that they are both with us. I just found Dr. Peterson and am thrilled to follow his videos and conversations.
I've been thinking that for the past few interviews. You can tell he's still recovering from what happened. I really hope he regains the energy he had just a couple years ago, but right now, I'm just happy he's back, especially at a time when his voice is really needed.
Me too!! Very important man.
The upshot is that these mixed up girls will wash themselves out of the gene pool with sterilizing "treatment".
My 16 yr old grandson announced last year (when he was 15) that he was Trans. Without clinical exploration for a diagnosis, his parents started him on hormone therapy and he is growing "breasts"; he has no history of gender dysphoria, zero feminine traits, must be chronically pushed to engage in basic, personal hygiene activities, and has multiple learning disabilities in addition to depression and anxiety.
He angrily confronted me once because I do not use his new female name nor his preferred pronouns. I asked him if he thought I was a truthful person. Right away he said, "Yes, of course!" "Then why do you want me to lie to you?" He had no response except the typical avoidance rhetoric that I was disrespectful of his personhood. I asked him, "Do you believe in the concept of fairness?" He enthusiastically said yes. "You require me to sacrifice ALL my core values, my belief systems AND and my university science degree based on your quest for what you consider identity. What do I get in return?" He was speechless. I told him I loved him, but - "Your demands do not qualify as a fair contract. I do not believe that lying to you is helpful, and I am not a liar."
I explained to his father (my son) that I consider this identity thing an effective power move. Popular culture automatically awards a great deal of power to that individual who claims Trans status. For a quirky kid who has had difficulty socializing all his life and was facilitated in his addiction to electronics, sleeping all day, and allowed to drop out of school, the Trans claim affords him an instant status boost for the first time in his life.
As a grandparent I do not have the authority to raise him and set boundaries/expectations that I would as a mother. I love him, avoid using any name when I speak to him, and look for ways to encourage him in positive pursuits, and I invite him to spend time with me. He very rarely will engage with me, but when he does, I am grateful for that little moment of happiness. I pray for him and his parents every day.
@@jiveturkey9993 Thank you, J.T. I believe this dangerous ideology cannot endure much longer. The empirical evidence of damage done (including irreversible damage) is being exposed more and more. The public is also becoming more and more involved in pushing back.
The first step towards a healthy evaluation of current events requires an abandonment of all mainstream media and their flagrant propaganda.
May lord Jesus Christ bless you and your families
This is an amazing and sad story. Oh what are we doing with our children, our future. Is this a way for government can keep population in control, or to get rid of the kids who are confused? With suicidal thoughts and rates skyrocketing it makes me wonder. My prayers to you to bring the positive love to this confused grandson.
That's the best you can do! I have 2 nephews and a nice who now identify as trans. It's spreading like wildfire.
A tear dropped down my check reading your comment. And I have cried in very very few occasions. I can't believe what they are doing to the kids and what families have to suffer. All my empathy and best wishes for you and your family
I wasn’t sure that the medical professional would really do this. I conducted my own experiment and told the doctor I identified as non binary. The words were barely out of my mouth before hormone therapy and mastectomy were offered as therapeutic options. I nearly shat myself. It is truly terrifying what is happening to the human species. Thank you both for your truth and bravery.
Big pharma and healthcare industry is behind this bigotted ideology. Billion dollar industry it is now.
Jesus Christ, are you in the UK? Curious to know under which healthcare provider this was.
I’m curious to try this myself just to see. Woah imagine if I tried to sneakily film the exchange on my phone and they do immediately start talking about potential “gender affirming treatments”. Now there’s a viral video waiting to be made
@@HeyItsKora heck yes!!!! This is a genius idea!!!!! My 18 year old son is going through this horror right now. I would love to expose the fallacy of this bloody gender ALTERING care.
When people like Yuval Noah Harari say humans are basically obsolete and that 2020 will be the year remembered for biohacking and all that.... they see no value in common man and they are truly Godless. Harari said free will will end too.
Jesus
Coming from a very remote village in India... I can't even imagine what we are having these problems. I feel sorry for people who live only in the big modern cities... Where they eat fruits like apples without the opportunity to see the trees....eat meat without having seen any animals...often end up in disharmony of the mind and the body. They live far away from the Nature. I wish every child has the opportunity to have a contact with the nature.
Thank you for your comment
That was beautiful.. and tragically sad all at the same time. I live in the 3rd largest city in my state of Tennessee.. yet it isn't a huge urban city and we are surrounded by the Smoky Mountains.. but I still feel as if the city is too much. Those who eat apples without seeing the fruit trees, and those who eat meat without seeing any animals will stick with me forward. Please take care.
Exactly 💯
Beautifully said.
That is an excellent observation- I moved out into the country 5 years ago, and I'll never go back. The lifestyle and culture of mind in large cities in the US is tragically misguided, and they believe themselves to be elite to everyone else.
This woman is rational, professional and caring. She's lambasted as a fringe lunatic.
We're fucked.
She has courage and gains my respect
I am actually hopeful that people like her do write these books. 5 years ago I thought I was the only mental person to object to these cultural phenomenon. Now, I feel much more secure in my thinking because of these people like her.
The lunatics are the one's who lambast her. We live in an upside down world.
The stolen election did that, too. Yes, we're totally fucked. We were sold to the CCP and others.
But... we can lift the load that is "restoration of America" and carry it.
THAT'S NOT NOTHING.
Don't quit. We're fucked. But we're Americans. We don't quit.
Now now...don't be nihilistic! lol ;)
Never fear, the truth will win out as long as we speak it.
Grampa's golden advice: "Don't use a permanent solution to fix a temporary problem."
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@Amy h
To assume that it's permanent, when you're 13, is not only shortsighted, but just plain wrong. A person's body goes through great hormonal changes through puberty and the teenage years. To apply a permanent solution, during those years, would just as likely, cause great physical turmoil causing conflict between the artificial changes and the normal, natural development that we all go through. Allow your body to do what it is supposed to do and if that doesn't alter the urges towards dysphoric feelings, THEN seek medical solutions. That would be the common sense way to proceed.
@@JackHaveman52 Absolutely!
@Amy h indeed dysphoria is based in self hatred and doesn't go away even with a "permanent solution".
Exactly!
I think her statements are very powerful, Im a 17 year old female and I met someone who identifies as trans when I was 14, last year was so close to start identifying as genderfluid before I realized how honestly insane it would be. Im so thankful I found other people who don’t agree with all this gender affirming rhetoric and brought me back to my senses. If I had decided to transition that would have ruined my life.
If only more teens were as smart as you. Congratulations for breaking through the lies being pushed on our youth. I'm glad you did your homework, so to speak. Always question what looks like a group of lemmings.
I’m a old Christian man who’s going to be adding you to my prayer list. In spite of what you’ve heard throughout your life there is a God who loves you and gave his life for you ! All I’m going to say is don’t believe what people tell you about God ! All I ask is you pick up the word of God the Bible and read it for yourself and come to your own conclusion ! As an old man who’s been saved by the grace of the God of the Bible and who used to live very much in the world and indulge in all of the many pleasures of sin ! Trust me I tried everything once , twice if I liked it. I went to church with my parents until I became a 14 yr old teenager and smoked my first joint , which lead to many other drugs and alcohol and eventually addiction ! I also lost my virginity at age 10 with a fourteen yr old neighbor girl who had recently moved next door to our family home. I can tell you from experience that after that moment nothing was ever the same and it was the only thing I constantly thought about and which led to so many other problems throughout my life. I was raised in a Christian home and after doing what I had done felt empty inside. I stopped read my Bible and started living in the world constantly trying to fill that void ! No matter what I did I felt wrong unhappy and empty inside. It wasn’t til age 30 that I asked God to forgive me for all of my sin and turning my back on him. But he never let me go ! Today I’m an old man , married to the same beautiful woman for over 33 yrs and counting. Nobody’s perfect young lady and I told you all I did to let you know that in spite what the world my tell you , that the Bible isn’t real and it’s nothing more than a fairytale couldn’t be more wrong ! It is the word of God ! All I’m asking is for you to pick it up and read it for yourself. Because God will change your life forever ! Just know that there is a real God who created you and loves you very much. And I hope that you’ll pick up a Bible, start in the book of John and start reading ! I promise you that it will change your life and your eyes , heart and mind will be opened ! Know that this old Christian man will be keeping you in all of my thoughts and prayers. Trust in God ! Believe in God and read Gods word and I promise you it will change your life forever and you will then know what Gods purpose is for your life. God bless you young lady and I’ll be praying for you and yours !
So glad you didn't. It's all bloody bonkers!
Wow! Good for you. A teen that can actually think for herself. You have a very good, fulfilling life ahead of you. Looks like your brain”s frontal cortex has matured about seven years earlier than average. God bless you.
@@aletadetwiler9071 True ! But it’s not all that hard to be smarter than a far woke Marxist,Communist, Socialist Demonrat who believes we’ve got over two hundred genders , while claiming to follow the science and the scientific facts of biology.
I had to fight incredibly hard to have a hysterectomy at 26 due to disease (I was surgically diagnosed 2 years prior & had suffered with severe chronic pain since age 11). I went to countless doctors in several states. When I finally found one that listened to me & realized the danger I was in physically & mentally, I still had to see psychologists to make sure I knew what I was doing & what it would do to me.
It blows my mind that now doctors are willing to do this surgery on young teens It’s absolutely insane.
I wanted to be sterilised a few years ago. My doctor looked shocked when I asked her to refer me for sterilisation. She told me I'd need counselling.
I changed my mind and got a coil instead.
I'm glad now that I didn't go through with it.
Its incredible isn't it. A biological woman who doesn't want to be a mother will not be given a hysterectomy in her early 20s because "you might change your mind" and yet teenagers are being given life changing, irreversible treatments. This is going to be such a scandal 20 years from now.
IT IS DOWNRIGHT CRIMINAL!!!
YOU CANNOT HAVE AN ALCOHOLIC DRINK IN A BAR OR A CLUB UNTIL YOU ARE 21 YEARS OLD - BUT YOU CAN HAVE A DOUBLE MASTECTOMY ON TWO PERFECTLY HEALTHY BREASTS WHILE YOU ARE STILL AN UNDERAGE TEENAGER?!!😳
@@ktwashere5637 47 yrs ago i asked to be sterilised after the birth of my 2nd child. I heard every argument...what if you change yr mind? What if you lose a child? What if? What if? I was steadfast. 2nd dr FINALLY AGREED and i had the operation. NO REGRETS. Having said that, gender transition is a massive life changing process. There must be robust counselling prior to the intervention.
Well said
It is absolutely incomprehensible and so frightening what is going on with gender issues
My grandaughter was molested. She was 14. I drove 700 miles to get her from a psych facility, because she attempted suicide. She reacted by claiming she wanted to be a boy. The counselors I took her to see were ENCOURAGING this! As soon as she told me, I took her out of counseling. I'm a devoted Christian who KNOWS God as real & loving. I began by simply telling her she did NOT cause the evil that had attacked her. She continued to act like a boy. I agreed to buy her boy clothes & let her cut her hair like a boy. I told her God loved her & her gender was NOT an error! When she went to high school, she felt out of sync. She soon realized she had no more interest in "being a boy". I love her & I allowed her some concessions, but I NEVER faltered in my speech. I told her she is a beautiful, feminine girl for a purpose, I prayed constantly, & let her own sensibility do the rest. She is now happy & well. Things aren't perfect, but not far from it.
To the Lord be ALL the glory!
What you done was incredible and amazing
She is so blessed to have you as her grandmother
Sorry but what about the parents? You never mentioned them …were they the abusers ?
@@joshhernandez6974 Sorry, but why does it matter? Are you fascinated by child abuse, or are you interested in the whole story of this girl?
@@verabolton I’m wondering what the conditions were for this type of outcome to develop. For example a person that grew up with a grandma because the parents were junkies has a high propensity to have issues later on in life. Nothing can replace a loving father and a mother so yes I’d like to know a bit more about the parents 🤷
My sister had gender dysphoria until puberty. We let her engage in all the gender nonconforming she wanted (hair clothes etc.) but never told her she was actually a boy. She’s now a happy healthy woman with a husband and career.
This sounds like the ideal method of addressing these issues in anyone who is not an adult...It respects everyone's opportunity to explore without facing permanent impacts at a younger age, while also acknowledging the radically unstable experiment humanity is going through with the birth of social media and rapidly changing technology. JP's conversation with Bret Weinstein about the interactions between online and real-life personas regarding gender is an excellent follow-up to these issues.
I'm not a fan of Ben Shapiro, but he has a great analogy for this. He said his uncle (?) was schizophrenic and thought voices on the radio were talking directly to him. He pointed out how crazy it would have been for his family to pretend that the voices were real, rather than trying to get him the real help he needed. Which is what the woke cult demands we do with gender dysphoria.
Having said that, I suspect the vast majority of trans people aren't actually sick, they're just confused by all the teenage hormones and woke propaganda.
Ok, I'm confused. You say you never told her she was actually a boy....so my question is, is she your sister or your brother?
@@crowbar9566 she is and always has been my sister. She wanted to be a boy when she was younger but grew out of that around puberty. I meant we never lied to her and told her she was a boy to “affirm” her.
@@lissak2503 got ya
What amazes me is knowing that just twenty years ago doctors who are doing these things to little children would finding themselves waking up inside a prison cell !
My thoughts exactly. Why has this even become acceptable or legal. This is downright wickedness from the pit of hell.A direct demonic attack on family and reproduction.
I was raised around girls and I often presented feminine characteristics. Mostly in my interests. Cooking, cleaning, arts. I was sensitive and quick to cry. I was very emotional.
I grew into a very, very typical man.
If my guardians had decided I was a girl and destroyed by body I would not rest until they were ruined.
❤🎉 I am so happy for you!!!❤❤❤
I was a tomboy, wanted to be cool like the boys.. if this was happening at that time I would have been so confused. I am a woman, when I went through puberty, I realized that I am a woman that likes boxing and sports and feminine but not the strict feminine stereotype. I am married to a man and have children, and I feel whole. I am so happy that this was not happening when I was a child.
cause you think just liking sports and being kind of a tomboy is enough to get kids these days classified as trans? people are not rushing to make this a snap decision, despite what peterson et al are trying to make you think.
@@jasonclarke7557 You are deluded if you actually believe what you posted. Study the issue more. This may not be happening everywhere but it is definitely happening way to often in some areas of some countries.
Well, being a tomboy is not being transgendered, so there you go.
@@galtha58-trannybear14 'in some areas, of some countries'. want to add a few more qualifiers in there, so if you find even a single case of what you think proves your point, you can rest your whole argument on it.
study the issue more, but like, with actual facts, not jordan peterson circle jerk interviews.
@@jasonclarke7557 Yes, everybody listen to Jason off the internet. He doesn't capitalise his name but otherwise is super intelligent. Definitely more so than Dr Peterson.
My sister, who had depression and anxiety, also blamed gender for her personal problems. First, she said she was gay, then she started dressing more masculine and asking for teachers to refer to her with male pronouns. She was also very active in following troubled trans youths and young adults on social media, taking in all of the community’s struggles and internalizing them as her own.
My mother and I tried to work with her to help her straight out her academics and personal problems like poor hygiene and diet. A teacher from her school called CPS to investigate “abuse,” which is what chores may seem to a moody 15 year old. What they found was a messy room, a hard working mother, and more than a couple of lies.
My sister ended up committing suicide. In her note, she claimed to be gender fluid. After years of blaming myself for not helping her transition, I now realize that she was suffering from severe depression and led astray by our bastard society, social media culture, and other immature teenagers who believe they know more than the adults who care about them.
RIP MC
Another sad and tragic case sanctioned by the insanity of over-educated idiots.
@@janiecepoush1904 I think that their depression and internal confusion clouds their understanding of their inner value and value to others. People who commit suicide have got to a point where their sense of reality is warped. Whether it’s to spite, to hurt, or to help loved ones not suffer with their “burden,” it’s all under the influence of a twisted sense of worth.
Thank you for your story. I also believe that we will get to make everything right in Heaven.
@@cancan2580 I'm very sorry for you and your mother's loss, and for your sisters pain and confusion. One day we will see all things made new. God Bless you.
@@littleboots9800 ❤️ thank you. I hope so too.
Ouch, what a horrible thing to have to go through when you were so young, and awful for your mom as well. I'm happy that you have gotten past blaming yourself for it. Reality is often very complicated and not so easily and nearly defined and addressed.
Me and my identical twin sister had a lot of trauma and sexual abuse in early childhood and through teen years. We were put up for adoption at 2 and then the state took over our lives. I can only tell you that we both suffered the same molestation at the same age by the same man who was a doctor and had us living in his home when we were 6. He and his wife had a bio daughter who suffered all through her childhood by him until we came in. She knew he was molesting my twin and I because he stopped with her. She was 12. And then she confronted us to say she knew and that she was the happiest she’s ever been and she’d fight to keep us in their home. The moment my understanding of molestation hit I literally felt a part of me break inside.
We were moved out because the wife found out and we were placed into a mixed broken family. There were four older boys and the abuse began immediately. The boys saw us as meat they could pick out. The state didn’t care and gas lit us when we told.
Long story short, we moved to the new house almost 7. The abuse rape and mental started and it only took a couple months when I wanted to be a boy. Both my sister and I. But she was more in the middle and I hated my female self. She turned other ways and I was determined I was a boy. I hated women. I don’t know why. All through grade school I was called it or a boy by my peers. I prayed I’d wake up as a boy.
I turned 12 and my parents divorced. The abuse was less but just a different kind like molestation and neglect. Maybe I just hit puberty full on but the boy identity began to falter and I accepted my body for what it was. I knew I’d never ever achieve becoming a boy because there was so many differences between the two sexes.
Eventually through my teens I became as normal and dated boys. So I basically grew out of this other identity. I believe I used the alter to protect myself and sister.
I’m so glad that changing sexes wasn’t an option back then. I think there’s going to be a lot of detrans people coming trying to pick up their lives and life long health problems.
You’ve been very brave
Your story breaks my heart. I wish I could've been there to protect you from those evil people. I wish anyone could've been there to protect the two of you.
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I'm so sorry, no child should ever have to go through that or anything even close. I can't imagine. You have my respect and admiration for making it through and I hope the rest of your life will be healing and full of good things.
I am so sorry you went tru so much horror that Jo child should ever have to endure. I hope you found.aomw happiness and safety as an adult. God bless 🙌 🙏
My sister and I grew up around extreme sexism and often pushed by women. This made us feel weak and by our late teen years we were wondering if we would have been happier if we were born males instead.
I now understand why we were so upset at our own bodies.
Women in our lives were physically and mentally abusive. They made us hate our selves for being women.
I now have realized they were projecting their insecurities on to us.
We are now independent women. One has children but we both are happily married to wonderful strong men. ❤
Thanks for sharing. Yes I have worked for a lot of 'mean girls'.
my girlfriend and i from 3 or 3 onward insisted we were boys as we wanted to do boys things this persisted until hormones kicked in and we liked boys and wanted to attract them. thank god there was no internet then
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Abigel Shrirer is the epitome of what a investigative journalist should be. Sharp and intelligent, questioning, thorough and on a quest for truth in spite of the personal burden the quest puts on her. Incredible woman, a heroine.
She also has a killer smile.
And she's Jewish.
The world desperately needs more Abigails.
epitome
@@jupitard thanks. I felt that wrong when I wrote it. I corrected it so others don't make the same mistake.
This interview could have gone a completely different route. Dr. Peterson could have sat there, asked questions that only affirmed Ms. Shrier's propositions. Instead he sat there and tried to come up with all the possible objections. He's basically stress testing all her propositions. That's how we're supposed to think - he's said this repeatedly. This is something I've been trying to incorporate into my own life for the past couple of years. Really enjoyed watching this.
so true! I completely agree with you and its something Peterson has mentioned many times about acting on an idea with full conviction; you should throw every possible attacks/counter-opinions and see how they stand
And he did it in a respectful but very challenging way. Great dialouge. Challenging the person's theories/opinions/conclusions, not the essence of the person themselves like so many jump to attacks these days. Not sure if I made sense but thanks for another great discussion.
Yeah in a way their roles were reversed and JP being the scrutinizing journalist asking tough questions. If an idea stands up to intense scrutiny, it's pretty damn solid.
That basically happens when a Scientist interviews a Reporter 😎
This is why I so appreciate Dr. Peterson's work; this is a model for how constructive conversation goes wonderfully.
I knew a teenage girl who was seriously considering sex change. After long hours of friendly talks she realised she won't be able to gain her father's love and attention by simply being a male (she has two brothers who had more of their dad's affection). Now she is a happy mother of two kids and even her relationship with her father improved a lot. I honestly think this (and many other current problems) have an underlying cause of fatherlesness (not only physical).
Agreed! Fatherless homes is also a major factor as to why black people have high crime rates. We need to get back to common sense morals within fathers in the homes and a father taking responsibility for his children.
@@blackisback74 "Morals" is just not a word they wanna hear. Besides, w/o a Bible as a moral compass, who decides what's morally right or wrong? W/o the Bible, we're sinking back into the DARK AGES. Lord Jesus, come quickly.
@Natalia InLoveWithHIM that's exactly why the bible is so important and removing it from society such as in schools or courthouses is the very reason why society is falling apart. Founding Father John Adams once said, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
This has proven to come true as society is failing fast.
@@TOTULprinHAR not having God in thier lives is why people are becoming lovers of themselves
@@blackisback74 From my understanding of the Bible, we're ALL born selfish, lovers of self. Watch a 2yr old & that's evident. That changes when the light of the Gospel invades our hearts & we're born again & saved. If that never happens, we remain lovers of self till we die & spend eternity away from the Lord. Lord, let a lot of people put their trust in You these last days & be saved.
He was the devil's advocate here and she handled it so well. So well spoken and sticking to her point.
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.”
*―C. S. Lewis*
Fantastic quote. Good Job
Sure you can, try hitting the skip button on the left!
Wow... 👌👌👌👌👌
lol... there’s only a few topics that quote wouldn’t apply to... and you picked one of them
That quote is not from Lewis, it's more likely from James Sherman
We shouldn´t burn Abigails book - we should give her an award for her courage to pick this topic and for standing up for her fact based opinion.
Yes I think people are spelling 'buy' wrong. Which is really what people aught to be doing to her book.
Exactly instead of giving kaithlin jenner a reward
@@yossarian1633 I think you spelled “ought” wrong
buy it buy it 💴 lol
We should buy it in mass amounts and mail it to the people who hate the truth 😂
I am a nurse that works in behavioral health and I can't help but notice this exact phenomenon taking place. I have been working in this field since 2012, many of those years with adolescents. When I first started my career, it was cutting. Entire friend groups of sdolescent girls were cutting themselves. This has not entirely gone away but seems to be being replaced with primarily white, adolescent girls identifying either as boys or as "non binary". We used to get trans patients here and there, not there is always at least 1 on the unit and a lot of times more. Many of these also have traits very much reminiscent of borderline personality disorder. I hate to think of these young girls going through with something so permanent simply because they have this incredibly unstable sense of identity. Not so say that actual trans people are invalid, they of course aren't. I just think we need to be asking a lot more questions before we allow minors to make these permanent changes.
Think about this...I went through bariatric surgery to reduce my weight which was really out of control. The insurance company required a year in a program to rule out success with traditional weight loss treatments AND clearance from a qualified mental health professional. And that was just for a sleeve surgery, a reduction of my stomach to about the size of a banana. Not nearly as invasive nor life-altering as these procedures.
My friend is going through this now, over a year later and she’s still no closer to getting the surgery.
"This isn't medicine, anymore, it's closer to witchcraft." Very well said.
Exactly. A lie told by Satan.
Yes, it's sorcery through entertainment/media, education and pharmakia.
Sums it up perfectly! We can opine all day long about the reason for this issue or that issue - I am not belittling these discussions AT ALL - but the bottom line is that this is a spiritual battle. 😇 vs. 👿
I know several practicing witches who would be vehemently against this practice.
So not even witchcraft.
@@IamHattman that would be white witchcraft, the white, light or illumination in the black and white or thesis and antithesis of Freemasonry. Both sides are to be rubbed together until their predetermined synthesis is achieved.
Order out of chaos, the Hegelian dialectic.
My daughter, who has mild Asperger’s, told me 8 years ago that she wanted a full mastectomy. She was online a great deal and communicating with people from this fringe type of thinking. She was 16 at the time. We had very heated debates about this for years, and I told her to wait until she was much older before she made such a life changing decision. I prevailed. She is now 24 and is very happy with her body; and has not mentioned the surgery again. I strongly believe that parents have a huge role to play in guiding their children through their teenage years because we have life experience and know that teenage angst and confusion is temporary.
I'm glad your daughter saw the error of her teen years. Props to you for sticking to the tough, but correct path as a parent. I wish it'd be outlawed for public schools to spread this nonsense of the woke agenda. The garbage woke professors are continuing to teach kids today is dangerous. Taxes mostly fund public schools. The left often cried about separating church/religion from state, so God was taken out of the pledge of allegiance. Now they're pushing their woke religion to brainwash kids into believing these issues as discussed in this video. They're hypocrites.
Agreed. I wanted to be a boy when I was little so I would be able to stand to pee. My mom admittedly had the same quirky desire. When I was going through puberty I developed fast, and I hated my breasts. If someone would have covered a reduction, or mastectomy, I would have been first in line. Friends of mine had slightly larger chests, and their insurance covered reduction out of necessity I suppose? I remember being so so envious. Those feelings didn’t last beyond freshman year though. My own son told me when he was 6 that he wished to be a girl. I just dismissed it the first time or two. Eventually I decided to probe more deeply. When asked why he wanted to be a girl he explained he wished to have babies when he is older. Once I explained to him that daddies are no less important, and the babies are no less theirs, he was completely okay with his gender.
But there has to be communication between child and parent.
Also, I have aspergers, and it really is the least important thing about me, as I don't value how my brain processes things differently. I just do. It never ever comes up in conversation. It is no ones damn business. And it does not debilitate me. The way they fake it, is so cringe. Non of their behavioral patterns or thought processes align with actual Aspergers. They literally act socially awkward and shy. Which has nothing to do with the way I am.
It does not make me want to become non binary ( just because I dont value gender in general, does not mean I don't need one anymore to make myself feel more mentally stable lol). If you're emotionally/mentally unstable, just say that. don't blame it on Autism.
It does not make me want to dye my hair to a rainbow, it does not make me stim all the time and make me wanna be on tiktok and show my stimming toys like an cringe worthy infantile adult. Like, how dare they portray people like me as some Quirky weirdo that has fragile feelings and can't stop ranting about quicrky stims.
Why act like people with autism can't handle the world. WE CAN!!!!!!! We grow up, and we adapt as well as we can. Man, it just bothers me so much.
It is so rediculous.
Thanks for sharing. I hope you might be inspired to spread your story as far and wide as possible. This is important. Lives are literally at stake here.
Watching this today you can see how ill the doctor was last year and how he weighed and measured every word of this highly sensitive topic. Contrasting it with how robust and informed he is today is so interesting. He has really undertaken this topic with academic fervour and thank God
So true. Comparing the doctors language in the later episode 'Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality | Helen Joyce | EP 287' with this episode, he certainly 'gets' the issues now. Being a loving father of 2 beautiful young girls, I am very glad for this conversation. Common sense (truth) must win.
This brave lady has taken a plunge into murky waters in seeking the truth. May her insights help society stay afloat! I recommend her book to everyone. Cheers❤❤
"This is not medicine any longer, this is closer to witchcraft", this is the most profound description.
Yes but, instead of trying these witches, the medical establishment exalts them as heroes. Moreover, they substitute sound medical judgment for the subjective and transient feelings of adolescent patients.
Yes. Powerful and concise summary of both the current therapeutic model and the "spell" under which much of western society has fallen in their unquestioning belief in, and defense of, trans demands activists' ideology.
This is malpractice and an abandonment of the "first do no harm" principle by the medical profession. It's a green light to child abuse by the governments that allow it. It's gross negligence in the name of profit on the part of the hospitals.
I don't think I would use the term witchcraft, but instead cultist manipulation.
@Chief If this was going on in 1905 the first response from average people would be the occult is influencing young people.
Now that we've buried Christianity this observation is now considered profound.
I'm not bashing you and agree w your comment,simply making an observation
Is it just me, or can you also hear the genuine sincerity and concern in Abigail's voice? It really seems like she cares about these people.
The way she talked about the young women finding imperfections within themselves and chasing the horizon of becoming the perfect male had me on the verge of tears. It is extremely sad and these teenagers have an open door to the doctors office to ask for medication which will alter their life forever.
Of course! It’s insane that people would suggest that this woman is somehow dedicating her career to the purpose of picking on young kids with psychological problems. People don’t do that. That would be a cartoonishly evil person. The pro trans side of the debate is just hell bent on getting their way. They basically hold a gun to the child’s head and tell you you must comply. That’s what they mean when they mention the suicide rate of people with gender confusion. They’re basically saying you must give your child hormone treatment or they’ll surely kill themselves. It’s really sick shit.
Yeah you can hear her voice crack at the end. The thought of the future consequences for people who have major surgery and later regret it is terrifying. I wouldn't even have a tattoo for that reason.
@@lewisner You defined exactly why I don't have any tattoos, although today even very aged aunts display collections of them on their bodies.
You would like Sasha Ayad.
I appreciate how Jordan interviews Abigail. Almost as he was purposely testing her so that she would be prepared for all the push back.
I absolutely love this lady and her courage to get something out there that people need to know about and She's Right.!!!! Dr. Peterson you're absolutely amazing. Thank you for everything you do.🙏👍💪
“Terrible as objecting to the lies might be,I suspect it’s not as terrible as the consequences of letting them flourish unchallenged” what a compliment to Abigail.
Objecting to lies is the opposite of terrible.
@@yossarian1633 I think he meant the abuse one can be subjected to for objecting.
@@NotADood Yeah that's never been more true than atm, I wish more people would subject themselves to it actively and willingly get a little momentum going the insansity has to stop somewhere sometime.
This is what we're all facing micro and macro right now
@@yossarian1633 Arty Morty's proposed a big international coming out day for people who oppose gender self ID. He may be planning something.
When my daughter wants to do anything life- altering or outlandish, I tell her :not on my watch; wait until you're at least 25 when the frontal lobe is developed and you're further away from peer pressure.
Such good advice!!! 👍🌎🌎🌎
Good parenting is staying connected and offering sound advice. Too many want to give that privilege away for there own selfishness 😢
@@marcfield5262 Yup.. from loving father, thrown to the side by children because of divorce 🤷♀️🙄😥
@Mosinlogan Now that she's 17, my role as a parent is less dictator and more manager. Showing kids what natural consequence they can expect from an action is the best guide. For example, if you slack in school, you get crap grades. If you don't have a job, you don't have money to play and pay for a vehicle... She expressed wanting to get a tattoo when she's 18. I can tell her until I'm blue in the face that I don't think anyone should consider a tattoo until they're at least 40. But it goes in one ear and out the other. So instead I told her how much it costs to pay for tattoo removal and the pain involved with it and how many sessions you have to go and even afterwards you can still see the outline of the tattoo should she ever not want it on her body anymore. All I can do is educate her and teach by example. The biggest mistakes parents make are not allowing their children to fail. It's only in failure that the child understands where the bar is set and the feelings that go along with it. It is also important to let them know that failure is a part of life, mistakes are a part of life and it's far better to try something and screw up then to not try it at all just because you're afraid of failing. I've noticed that Gen Z is terrified to ask for help or risk looking foolish. But life as we know it wouldn't exist without millions of failures along the way. Ultimately, they're watching us conduct our lives and are learning from our actions not our words. Indeed the most dangerous years are 18-24. They have freedom but little to no experience. It's difficult to watch your child that you love so much struggle and fail. Ultimately, childhood is preparation for adulthood. It's not necessarily a magical time of play and freedom. It's learning to become an independent human. Helicopter parents are doing a disservice because their attachment to an illusion of safety and security is retarding the growth of a child's sense of self confidence, grit, and power. So as parents we toe the line of instructing, forbidding and releasing. We do the best we can, keeping in mind that they will be on their own soon and will require the skills to thrive. So insist on chores. Insist on money management. Insist on work ethic. Insist on kindness to others even when they don't get what they want. And most of all, instill confidence that they will be fine even when they fail. The important thing is to never stop trying.
@@Mmmmkaaay I wonder... have your daughter watch any videos of performances by such ladies as Rita Hayworth while asking the question, "could this woman's beauty have been any way enhanced by a tattoo?"
Yes... children are NOT ALONE in falling under peer pressure!! EVERYONE who cares needs to stand up and be counted as part of the majority who actually care about how these kids make it through life!
Imagine going into your doctor and saying ‘ I think I have cancer and you need to start me on the chemo and radiation and any other treatments, and doctor having to say ‘ok here is your referral to the hospital. We’d be outraged. But yet nobody is allowed to question somebody who says they think they are transgender. If the medical experts in the Feild cannot investigate properly first then why don’t we forget about doctors and all do our own medical diagnosis. It’s crazy stuff. These youngsters may well have GD but they need proper care and support not medical negligence.
am an African girl born and raised in kenya haven't traveled much but read a lot and genuinely i admire your courage Dr, Peterson because I see the underlying unshakable faith in truth and good; and not on a surface level that leads to ideologues who want the praise of advocating for good without a clear understanding of what goodness as a whole really means .So i just needed you to know i deeply respect your courage and wit , 'Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves'.
Beautiful.
Also vice versa.
My favorite phrase: "This is not medicine anymore, it's closer to witchcraft". Priceless !
@@frenne_dilley 31:00 ish
Witchcraft is nothing compared to what is going on now. Its a “witch hunt”. If you don’t protect yourself with a group you are tarred and feathered and burned at the stake your life is completely ruined.
@@dreamarcher4018 Bible warns of this.. & "God hates witchcraft"
@@SuperReznative you know nothing about witchcraft so be quiet. The bible was written by men, for men. Period.
51 minutes area in almost seems to present a targeted attack on humanity. Whith boy's under 30 suffering from ED and 11 year old girls exposed and traumatized by violent sex acts. Reproduction becomes a thing to run from.
My husband and I love and respect Jordan Peterson. He is a treasure. Many times we say: “ What would Jordan say about this or that?” We have his books, my husband reads them consistently and they are his favorites. I also love listening to his interviews, he discusses every subject under the sun! Love the family 😂meetings, with his wife, daughter and son. What an example is Jordan Peterson. His brilliant mind casts no shadow and lights the path ahead. He is thorough and so articulate. He is courageous and allows his sensitivity to show. Just love him and respect this authentic, most practical teacher!
I had the chance to read "irreversible Damage" and it is a great book. It would be fantastic if it would be translated into brazilian portuguese. It is a highly necessary book in my home country.
I love that when they came for Abigail Shrier, instead of her backing down, she doubled down. Getting the word out on as many podcasts and articles about this subject you can find.
Well done Ms Shrier. The controversy around your book will inevitably spread more awareness about this subject, than any ad campaign promoting it ever could. Stay Strong.
Best Streisand moment ever to date 😁 I've now bought her book purely to put it in my Archive of Wrongthink for future generations in case Amazon pull any more crap.
Amazon: "No".
Look at the bigger picture, this will stunt more writers because their potential publishers will not fund their book if they think the world's biggest book seller will ban the book.
These sick and demented technocrats play the long game and they are winning.
She's a very brave and impressive woman.
Benjamin Boyce did some interesting interviews of young women who detransitioned after starting on hormones... and an amazing interview of an Endocrinologists that talks about the shocking effect these hormones have on the body.
EDIT; corrected his name!
@@windywednesday4166, Benjamin.
“It’s hard enough for a man to be an ideal man let alone a woman trying to be an ideal man”. 🔥💯
Damn. This quote should be written all over the walls in Western cities
Facts
Ideal Man?! Ideal Woman?! Ideal Human Being?! Problem is their objection to the idea of believing in “Ideal” human being...
😆😁😁😁
@@e.znamini3241 ideal is not something to reach, is something to aspire for. Anyone can think 10 things we should be doing that would make things better hence "ideal", easy concept in theory
This woman is so smart compassionate and brave
I am on the autism spectrum. I am glad that you are bringing this up. There are a lot of folks in our community who struggle with gender dysphoria and by lots I mean like 30-40% approx. I am also an academic in the medical field and there other folks like me out there who support you btw so don't be intimidated. Speak up. We will support you and do support your channel.
Wow he's grilling her like she's defending her doctoral thesis. An amazing conversation in intellectual rigor.
I like that..he examines everything before he draws any conclusions regardless of his agreement or disagreement with the issue. Making sure she is coming at it logically.
He’s playing devils advocate. I think you’ll find he agrees with most of not all of what she is saying.
@@TheLuke1981 you’re right. You know he agrees with everything she says.
His experience awards him a unique perspective & insight as to what the opposition will take issue. I see this as a great mitzvah. Intentional or not, it’s allowing her to construct well thought responses in a safe space. ✌🏼💛
he's asking the questions he knows her opponents won't ask and allow her to answer. Brilliant!
I rebelled as a teenager. I got tattoos, pierced impossible places on my body, dyed my hair crazy colors... then I changed my mind. Yes, the tattoos and some piercings are still there - but I could have them removed if I wished. What these girls are doing to themselves can't be fixed by taking out a piercing or getting a laser treatment. I really believe the pharmaceutical industry is benefiting from damaging them - and they don't want that to stop.
Surgical practices as well as pharmaceutical corporations.
There was a clinician who said anyone who regrets having their breasts removed could always get implants later. More surgeries, more drugs, even increasing sales of baby formula.
Yes, the industry is creating "permanent patients." It's putting money in the pockets of politicians, doctors, and pharmaceutical companies.
Very well observed
@@NotADood the almighty dollar is what it’s all about ..
Thank you both so much. What an amazing conversation. I am an adult transexual post op and living a very happy life, run my own business etc. Transition was right for me but I worry so much about these young girls. So sad.
Again thank you. X
"If you're asking why more doctors and therapists aren't speaking out, I think it's because even if Jordan Peterson is concerned about having this interview with me with all your courage...imagine what far less courageous doctors are willing to say."
Good for you, girl! She's got guts.
But for JP I gotta say, this was a very well constructed interview. Thank you for doing this, even trepidly.
I found this a very interesting moment in the interview. I would suggest there are many health professionals who disagree with the treatment but know the consequences of they refuse and can't stand the fact of putting licensure at risk and potentially being no longer able to treat other, more traditionally treatable patients
Keira Bell won her court case in England against this madness, thank goodness.
What are the details?
@diane vk do you have a source? I am interested to read more
Look up the name Keira Bell.
@@ianlisk nice.
What upset me about that case was that her parents took her to the physician yet we all blame the doctor. I’m not sure I know what’s worse.
JP inspired me to become an educator in attempts to seize the indoctrination of our future generations.
Conservative fear-mongering got ya by the balls
you do realize that you'll have to stick to the schools curriculum unless you're teaching at some sort of charter school that lets you do your own thing
How's that going?..... Lol
@@richardgillette5759 cut the ''you do realize'' part out and your comment becomes a lot more civil and instructive.
I wish you all the luck in the world, stranger. Godspeed.
JP approaches this with extra caution, because he knows its right up his alley and hes a scientist worth his salt.
To destroy children, because the are made in the image of God.
I had an eating disorder when I was a younger. I’m 5”3 and got down to 83lbs and no longer had a menstrual cycle. In my opinion, at that time, I was perfectly fine. I had no idea my kidneys were shutting down. Had my doctor affirmed my self diagnosis of being perfectly fine I would not have survived.
My son had gender dysphoria for EIGHT years. He is 11 now and finally comfortable being his biological gender. Jordan, your body of work was majorly instrumental in helping me understand his issues, seeing the truth in it, and helping him through it. I'd love to one day tell you our story!
Sounds like a story that could help many parents. Perhaps reach out to his daughter, Mikhaila?
I second Centergeist! I'm glad your son is feeling better! If you're interested in sharing your story a lot of people might hugely benefit from it. I'm not a parent yet but your tips might be of great help in the future.
Thank God 🙏
@rob91011 Right now he is at work, lol. My son has been blessed to grow up in a very stable, traditional household. I have been a SAHM for most of his life, and his dad is very involved. He was a volunteer leader when my son did boy scouts, for example. They also spend 1 on 1 time regularly, as he does with our other children. Hope that answers your question.
For a number of years I thought I might be trans, but waited and it turns out I'm bisexual. I am seriously glad I didn't go through with it, but it is really tough figuring that kind of thing out. It was really difficult for me to form good romantic relationships until I did come out. Just want to point out, his struggle may not be over yet.
JBP: “Why are they unhappy with the look?”
AS: “Because they’re chasing an asymptote. They’re running after a horizon.”
That’s incredibly sad to think about.
@Jordan B Peterson this is a copycat fake acc of the real jordan peterson
You don't know what this number is leading to so be careful guys.
(Might be a scam is my first guess)
It really is. 🥺
Even as a non-father it's a very disturbing topic and I'm grateful for anyone who investigates and questions any ideology. Thank you very much for this interview and all the best of luck for you two.
Love you both! The people who hate you don’t know that you’re helping them. I hope your voice outshines theirs.
I want to thank this woman for her bravery. As a mom this whole thing is scary .
Yes, I don’t give a hoot what older adults do, BUT LEAVE KIDS ALONE.. Kids shouldn’t even KNOW ABOUT THIS.. Kids shouldn’t even be given a choice of what to eat because that’s what CAUSES FUSSY EATERS.. let alone what gender they want to be.. of course if they are getting ATTENTION AND POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT THEY WILL KEEP SAYING IT..
So scary for parents with young children. A coworker is allowing his 16 yr old boy to be transitioned. Mind blowing.
@@velmacameron3611 Mindblowing is the word 😤
HomeSchool your children and all that anxiety goes away.
Yeah she reminds me of that:Allen show(the1with:Scully)she's a beauty!
I can really appreciate how critical Dr. Peterson is during this interview. He did a good job of asking the hard questions
his showing the journalist how to perform rational an educated journalism.
He was also guiding her on how to handle future critics
Totally agree, playing devil's advocate but keeping it polite
Agreed it was alot of interruption to her answers though as well. I'd would have liked her answers in full. I have no other opinion complaint then that.
@@kalibford3888 I feel he does this with most of his guests. Hirsi was one of them as well he's definitely trying to steelman those that he talks to.
Crazy that this was 2 years ago and it’s relevance has increased 10 fold. Always fun to watch two smart people converse.
About two years ago my brother in-law of 35 years told my sister he was a woman and had been all his life. Fast forward,and now he is saying he thinks he made a mistake. Things that happened between then and now were nothing short of demonic. 🙏🙏
I love the way JP is throwing every hurdle he can think of at her.
I equally love the ease in which she unwaveringly leaps over each one.
It is an elegant dance with a brutal edge. The consequences of the subject could scarcely be more devastating.
My favorite thing about his interviews is he really makes his guests defend their thesis. Even when you agree with what the other person is saying, it's good to constantly question and test whether your common beliefs hold up against strong arguments.
@Plage Doctor I reported them as spam :)
She leaps over each one because she has facts on her side, and the conclusion is sound.
She isn't discussing a made-up theory, she's addressing reality.
I'm very disappointed, though, that he never throws a hurdle at the foundation of transgender theory itself--never mentioning that there's no testable or nonfalsifiable theory behind it. It's fine to grill Shrier's criticisms of the treatments. But grill the theory behind the diagnosis too.
First rule of medicine is “Do no harm.” If they are doing surgery on teenagers, they should be arrested. This is full of risk and possible harm. Doctors doing these surgeries should be arrested.
i'd rather see the lawmakers giving into the pressure to abolish proper diagnosis be held responsible for the results. Medical transition is a solution to certain problems, and it's important to give proper solutions to proper problems. What the trans radicals are pushing for is to disable the medical community to even determine what the problem is, which is being enabled by the lawmakers.
@@fallyn2920 what problems would transition address?
@@mrg3tty672 gender dysphoria and only that. Not dysmorphia, anxiety nor any other comorbid conditions. Just gender dysphoria.
@@fallyn2920 I agree with you on gender dysphoria being a requirement; however, people are going to take advantage of that into saying they do have dysphoria when they don't. If a law like that is going to be made, it needs to be one with as little blind spots- hopefully none at all- and strict.
@@skepticaltomboy i think that's where the experts come in. Gender Dysphoria wouldn't have been a thing without consensus amongst psychiatrists and psychologists across the world. Somehow activism has put the patients on the doctor's seat now and proper diagnosis is being slowly abolished across the west. We will see more people like Keira Bell.
We raised 3 beautiful daughters... so blessed, yet, praying protection over my granddaughters AND grandson.
JordanPeterson, though you have had a rough time & bullying, you still have guest & talk therapy etc., I applaud you 👏
I am an adult transgender, and I support this message on every point. I talk about this kind of thing on my channel devoted to a rational view of transgenderism, in the hopes it too will help... Thank you both so much for speaking up.
This radical gender ideology hurts actual trans people more than it helps them :/ I hope more trans people speak out - but I totally understand why you’d be scared to
@@BM-fz9yc I agree entirely.
While I disagree with the entire idea of becoming trans, I respect my friends who have transitioned. It goes so far that my family has fought for the rights of a transwoman who was being denied access to her children and we've since helped her steady her life and become more confident in herself. I appreciate the people who are rational and level-headed much as you seem to be.
I'll give you a sub and see what you have to say, I love learning what and how other people think
@@theelderelk5582 I appreciate that kind of respect and open-mindedness more than most things in this world- this place would benefit from more people like you. I encourage civil discourse on my channel comments, so please feel free to speak up- I will treat you with the same respect you have shown, and I too like to learn about how other people think!
I really appreciate all of your honest comments. Thank you
AS never stumbles during this interview. I think it’s because her position is based on facts not ideology.
Well, she is passionate about it, which fits more with feelings. But she's certainly non-ideological.
She’s well informed
My god this is heartbreaking... I have two daughters and I make sure to constantly remind them that this mass hysteria is going on and not to partake in it. My first daughter is 22. My second daughter is very young, not even in school yet. It was very difficult to help my daughter get through high school and that was five six years ago. I can't even imagine when it's going to be like by the time my second daughter gets there. We're honestly thinking about moving to Thailand to get away from the insanity of our society today. I am a navy vet. I love this country. I think the United States of America is the greatest most glorious thing mankind has ever built, but it is being completely rotted from the inside by feeble narcissistic damaged people who have taken all of their inadequacies and turn them into a civil rights movement. God help us look at what we are doing to our children...
Do right by your kids man, flee the US and get them OFF the internet. At least consider private school and absolutely no social media. Its only going to get worse, I pray for you.
In Thailand there are a lot of trans! "Lady boy" that's how they call them there. There are lots of tv shows with gays or lesbians as the main topic of the series.
@@j.a4196 You nailed it. My wife is Thai, been here many times. The key there is they call themselves ladyboys. They don't pretend reality isn't real. No problem with trans or gay people at all. Some of the most fun and loving people I've ever known fall into those categories. What I do have a problem with is the state and education system pushing this insane ideology and completely destroying our children and culture. Woke ideology is cancer, they haven't caught it yet.
My daughter is three and I’m learning everything I can about this. I’m worried it will get worse before it goes away. Im telling her she’s a beautiful strong smart brave girl. And we are growing roots in a wonderful church.
@@j.a4196 yeah but everyone knows that ladyboys aren't real women over there. They aren't pushing this stuff on children either. Ladyboys don't demand to be considered identical to biological females and push themselves into women's spaces. It's a different culture.
Excellent discussion between two brilliant thinkers. Thank you Dr Peterson and Ms Shrier.
This was my second listen and I just realized that these college students can get the hormones for free. Be nice if diabetics got that.
Next question is why?
Why would pharmaceutical industry NOT try and make a profit of this...
Is it because they make more profit off the surgeries and subsequent reversal?
Or for other reasons?
@@Gem90L The lifetime value of treating associated mental health conditions not resolved by either the transitioning or the detransitioning.
If you're a derelict, a transgender, a thug or the like, free help is rampant. Being physically ill, you'll get NOTHING
13 year olds. The hell with college or even adulthood...
@@JimiBegbaaji Wow you're right! Makes a lot of sense actually. Big pharma wants life long patients-- not to cure people.
My husband was cursed at and disowned by his sister at Thanksgiving dinner today simply for stating that he and I were going to read this book. He never got a chance to say anything further and the rest of his family just stood by and watched. I felt soo bad for my husband, the hurt was so clear on his face. He's a very family oriented man whose always done what he can for them. We simply left.
His family are likely the type who swallow hook line and sinker anything and everything that comes out of teachers and government’s mouths. It’s a very large group that for some unknown reason are incapable of logic and common sense. History proves that teachers and government are complicit in and responsible for forced religion, forced slavery, segregation and the beating of school children just to name a few. Some of which happened in my lifetime and is still occurring today. This sexual orientation of very young school children occurring in a good portion of public schools hopefully will also pass. Our children’s children will likely look back at this with scorn and ridicule, just like we do now of many of the things our ancestors did, and with the expressed and written approval of teachers and government. These attempts at normalizing mental illness helps calm the mentally ill but is unnecessarily damaging to unafflicted children and is not fair to them.
@@1brene2batu3billi you are absolutely right. My husband and I have come to the same conclusion. My husband enjoys reading quite a bit about all sorts of issues. He likes to share ideas and have intellectual conversations and debates, which he believed he could do with his family. I have always been more of a fiction reader myself but decided to go outside of my comfort zone so that I can engage in these conversations with him. Since November I have read Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier, The Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff, The End of Gender by Deborah W. Soh and am currently reading Discrimination and Disparities by Thomas Sowell. I have also been listening to lectures and podcasts. My husband has been very appreciative of my effort and we've been having much deeper conversations.
I hope you stay strong in your open mindedness and desires to educate yourself. These family dynamics can be so hard, but we must stay strong in truth.
I think it is courageous to go against the herd. There is nothing wrong to learn new things and to be open minded. As long as you are thinking critically and have common sense, it is a good thing. They will come around because soon, people will get tired of all the nonsense and ridiculousness that's going on right now.
This is similar to how people reacted to non-vaccinated persons/family members. What Covid and transgenderism have shown is that there is a large part of society that's very prone to brainwashing and radicalization, to the point of turning against their loved ones if they don't follow the mindset into which they've been indoctrinated. It's very scary actually, reminds me of the communist times in my native country.
Thank you for raising your voices.
We know that even going up against the Idiocincrates of our politics and society has conflictual repercussions, However, that in no way give us the absolves us to ignore it. I believe if see something is wrong we should try to do something to correct it. On the other hand I'm grateful someone as knowledgeable and influential as you Dr. Jordan falls in that category and as well as Dr. Abigail. Thank you for your efforts to bring this topic to all of us so we can learn the intricacies and scope of this problem. It's terrible what's really happening in our society. Keep up the good work both of you. I've learned a great deal today because of both you.
I got Testosterone from a gynecologist without prescription by a psychotherapist in germany. And later i got a mastectomy without even having a pretalk at the hospital. Now i have constant pain, my mental health isn't better and i detransitioned. I watched a lot of fellow butch lesbian transition. A lot of them were anorexic before or also have autism. And there are the women, who had trauma or a misogynist family, who transition. I'm happy the conversation about this slowly starts. There need to be shown alternatives to transition like trauma therapy or a happy lesbian family life.
I'm sorry you were pulled in by this cult.
You could possibly help some young people if you told your story- maybe as part of a ‘Wait & See’ movement?
thank you for sharing your story
Thank you for sharing, this is so important and will continue to harm folks unless more people talk up!
I'm grateful you shared your story and am so sorry you're going through this. I hope you speak to young people about your experience so it can be used to help others. But I truly wish you didn't have to go through it at all 😔.
Someone once said that he wanted to be a pirate when he was a child. He said he’s very happy that no one took him seriously, and rushed him off to get his eye removed for a patch and leg removal for a peg leg! That says it all!
Lemme just stop by to say I love you Abigail! You're so right. Getting you and JBP together to talk about this subject was amazing 👏 I'm blown away.
In my opinions these kids are lifelong patients and a gold mines for the pharmaceutical companies and its up to the parents to protect their kids from this dark way of self sterilization .
I teach grade 10, and this year a girl changed her name to Ethan and started dressing differently. Few months down the road her two friends, also girls, have changed their names to Sam and Tyler. So I completely agree with what she says about teenage girls following their friend. I didn't know why this was happening until I watched this. Thank you.
Similar to older generations...if one girl got pregnant, many more in the peer group would follow suit. If one dyed her hair a wild color, got a piercing or a tattoo, several would do the same. Is it to share in the extra attention? Is it honest confusion? Is it typical adolescents trying on different personas to see what fits?
Unfortunately, this generation is doing irreparable damage to themselves and the adults in their lives are not just allowing it, they are encouraging it. And by the time they realize their mistake, it's too late. I am both angry and heartbroken.
Shocking. Waaaaayyy back in normal times (6 years ago), if a young girl wanted her beasts removed, there'd be so many people and professionals to try to save her.
I hope you made the parents aware
It's so desperately sad that our young generation are so confused and easily influenced as it is going to affect the rest of their life and we have adults pushing this on them 😔
@@domcali8450 Pretty certain the parents will already be aware...this is not smoking or a bad behaviour...this is a highly visual noticeable behaviour
Who else likes JP's new persona ? . . . he is striving to lay bare his guest's hypothesis . . . and in the process he strips away all prejudice and bias. This is great stuff.
100 percent, I'm a believer in God and I truly believe that God inspires people like JP and Abigail to bring order to chaos, he is probably the most intelligent and insightful person I have ever had the pleasure of knowing about.
Living person*
It would be so easy to just affirm everything the guest is saying but it just wouldn't be helpful.
He's a formidable Devil's Advocate doesn't he?
That's what mental health therapists do.
Yes and no. I like the devil's advocate questions, but he is interrupting Abigail way too often. Especially when she sets out to elaborate on an interesting point.
When I was a teen, wow, typical depressed emotional... As a kid a happy happy fighting tom-boy. Then high school (Catholic) no sport teams for us girls etc. If I found then that I could "transition" and majically be a boy Wow I would have jumped at it! Thankfully, that was not an option and I accepted and was grateful I had a strong healthy body (albeit female) - thanks to some wise coaching from an adult. Now I am a happy older woman with 3 amazing grown up kids. Still distance running (albeit slower) with an older body but very healthy body. Under today's situation I think I would have ended up a mutilated mess.
Great Job @Abigail @Jorden, thank you for the interview, for stepping out into the briar patch for us. It is a direly needed subject that ought to be discussed and result in sensible actions to protect those that cant protect themselves.
Every time I look at this, I become more and more convinced that the world has become literally insane.
Always has been. *spaceman gun*
Having worked in retail, nothing's changed except that instead of dressing up and going out to interact with others and develop our personalities, we're hiding in the dark in our underwear crafting a persona, and acting like it's all "Lord of the Flies"
It’s just humans trying to figure themselves out. It’s a messy process. For the last, I don’t know ever, we had to fit into a narrow definition of what a human was.
People are experimenting now. As with all experiments, people are going to make mistakes and get hurt while they’re trying to figure it out
It’s a messy process, obviously they are f***ing it up right now because they are acting like enabler’s as opposed to doctors.
@Fizzyx13 "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action." It is becoming more and more apparent it is by design.
@@HolyReality891 this is nothing new my friend. When society denies natural basic human differences, it will always fall.
It is horrifying that this amazing man was nervous about doing an interview because of possible backlash. I certainly understand his hesitancy based on the vicious attacks on him in the past. HIs decision to go ahead with the interview speaks to his unrelenting desire to seek the truth despite the personal cost. I can not even imagine that kind of courage.
@Carmen G Who has he been attacking?
When you think about it ..ISNT THAT DISGUSTING !? THAT'S THE KIND OF WORLD WE LIVE IN NOW ..AND " WE " CREATED !!!
@@lilypowell1123 I always consoled myself by saying that I was mostly an observer during the women's movement and sexual revolution. It is only recently that I realized that not recognizing it for what it was made me complicit. I, as a traditional Catholic, now at least prayer a daily rosary for all the young people that are suffering as collateral damage of those movements. Does not seem enough.
@@lilypowell1123 that's exactly what I was going to say. "We" created this ever-changing monster. I truly hate the direction that the world is going in all for the sake of a boy that thinks he's a girls and vice versa.
@@fitcher-armchair-sleuth Not until judgement day, I suspect. The allure of "being someone" is too great,
Abigail Shrier should go to the House of Representative in Washington to testify about that so they can have a bill to stop this kind of procedures in teenagers
Great video! Great guest! Really appreciate the time, energy, and effort that you both put into your work. Thanks for sharing!
I love how critical Jordan is with Abigail.
Not because he fundamentally disagrees but he respects the forces that be that will disembowel the unprepared
Yes, by looking for her weaknesses he is proving the strength of her argument.
I feel like he was too cowardly in this video. He is usually more firm with his position. I understand he is very cautious with his thoughts and words however, I feel like he was too cautious. Than again probably he didn't want to interject his opinions into the conversation
@@BrunoPereira-pk6de there both factors at work , he does mention at the start something about his own life being changed by taking some type of stance in the past but I'm glad he didn't make this a good old boys back patting fest and by keeping it objective he lent a LOT more credibility to Abigail and the whole interview process
I really appreciated that too. It's like he was attempting to beat the naysayers to the punch before they could even formulate an opposition. Together they were able to get all of the relevant questions, contradictions and counter theories out in the open, addressed, and *resolved* so that by the end, we are left with a concise, solid, and damn near irrefutable piece that covers the pertinent topics raised in Shrier's book.
@@BrunoPereira-pk6de yea, he was just leaving his opinion out of it and gently preparing her.
Both these highly intelligent and moral people suffer from the same issue:
“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.” Voltaire
Yesterday these men and women were hanged for standing up for common sense. Now they lose their jobs.
@@zaldare now they have us to support them. Thank the lord I found JP when I did.
For whatever that’s worth:)
I mean whatever our support is worth in these weird times.
@jaffa 360 Your Jesus is a support construct, easily replaced by veganism, Manitou, Allah or Steve Jobs. Be well grounded and strong first and then see about filling the little voids with some hocus pocus of your choosing. Not the other way 'round. The fact that you need to preach shows me that your religion is just another coping mechanism... and that's a mental cancer.
Thank you Mr. Peterson. I will continue to plead with you to address these issues.
When I was seventeen and eighteen years old, I was with two older gay men who recruit fatherless boys into the "gay death-style!"
We do not tell people about this or the root causes! A boy must bond with his father at three years old, the mother must let him go!
When I was thirty years old I felt that I didn't belong with men? In Jesus time the men raised the boys! "If you have seen the son, you have seen the father!" Thanks for listening and God bless you.
This is powerful stuff. Abigail Shrier really cares about what is happening to these young women who are transgender and cares deeply. She is not going into the deep end with speculation but keeping everything factual and with actual evidence to back up what she is saying. It does appear as though there are more young people identifying as transgender than there ought to be. Wrong decisions are being made by these adolescents and this is devastating when they regret these decisions later in life.
JP inspired me to take my life back from addiction. After more than a decade of use I have been clean for over 100 days. Thank you Jordan you helped save my life. Its wonderful to see you looking better and better every podcast
keep going. great work
Cheering you on. 🙌
That's so fucking amazing dude, good on you!
Good on ya.
PROUD OF YOU.!! 🙏🏼😊💙
Man, I got chills when she said “Even if Dr Jordan Peterson is nervous to talk to me about this, imagine what much less courageous broadcasters are feeling.”
Bringing the heat but it’s a powerful statement.
Fax
Peterson is nervous when talking to anyone who might have an ability to pull back the curtain and expose him for the fraud that he is.
Never once did lobster dad mention basic facts regarding the binary sexual condition selected by 1.2 billion years of binary sexual Natural Selection.
XX=Female
XY=Male
XX+XX=FAIL
XY+XY=FAIL
XX+XY=Human
Why is that?
I thought it was quite the "touché" moment.
This show is phenomenal😮SO EYE OPENING!! THANKS SO MUCH
Excellent interview, excellent questions Mr. Peterson. Together with honest responses that ultimately reveal the true and unbiased documentation of FACTS and EVIDENCE! Thank you! I'll be reading your book again and sharing this information when opportunities avail. You're an inspiration who are providing useful tools. Thank you. Bless you both!
This conversation is far too sensible. Our doctors, establishments and politicians ought to hang their heads in shame for the ground they continue to give over to these crackpot pressure groups.
@@lostalone9320 Yes, I agree. I think Peterson had a good point, yet another question, to your questions, "what is the motivation behind it all?" Going through adolescence is a difficult time indeed, although with a caring support system it can be bearable. Why aren't these adolescent transgender individuals required to go through extensive family and individual therapy before doing something so incredibly drastic? 😕
The motivation, is it a political one? One in which the far left is promoting freedom disguised as mental and physical control? 🤔 Abigal me mentioned that the doctors and therapist that these individuals go to are activists first and professionals second. Where is the advocate for the confused individual? 😕
It's truly heartbreaking.
@Leo Is there plot to exterminate the human race afoot?
@@dmast65 I never thought of it as that pessimisticly extreme before. I would hope not. 😟
@@dmast65 Yes.
The "medical establishment" is corrupt - in truly the most spiritual corrupt way. It is not by accident. What you are seeing is deliberate.
Imagine having to look your adult child in their eyes when they ask you why you didn’t try to stop them from transitioning as a little child.
Dealing with a teen going through this, I've seen detrans videos. Listening to young women lamenting hysterectomies and mastectomies hurts me so bad. I can just see my child there in their place if we don't figure this out. We are having to dig deep to help her through this with patience, kindness and compassion. Abigail is right. These girls are not flourishing. They are miserable. Tormented.
I guess we can no longer use DNA to identify suspects or criminals so anyone convicted of a crime by DNA evidence must be released or given a new trial without DNA evidence. Simple!
@@agardenapart9515 wut?
@@TheEnigmaticmuse if these people no longer believe that DNA is immutable in determining sex then there's no way the criminal justice system can use it to identify a suspect in a trial. If the DNA shows a white male with blue eyes committed the murder, by trans logic the defense can say their client is a black woman with brown eyes and therefore cannot be the guilty party.
@@agardenapart9515 the vast majority of trans people are genetically their birth sex. Btw, intersex people are sick of trans ideology jumping on their coat tails for their own agenda.
Congratulations for this interview.
I hope more people read the book.
I heard of a lot of young woman that regretted the surgery and went through a lot of pain.
Great interview. I pray for her success in this and future endeavors. I pray for the well-being of her family, all those who read this book, and those are struggling with themselves. Thank you for providing this information.
I have a daughter who showed NO signs of gender dysphoria. In fact, I was, as a child and still am, more of a "Tomboy" than she ever was or is. We moved in 2016, when she was 16, which put her into a huge public high school from a small rural school. She has a learning "disability" and so she learns differently and sees the world differently than your average child. She came home one day and came to me sobbing like never before saying that she thought she was a boy on the inside. I was stunned!!! (That year the King of Prom was a trans girl who was the "boyfriend" of the Queen, of that tells you anything about the environment she was in.) I told her we would get through it together and that was pretty much the end of it. She told a couple of friends and she bought a couple of boys shirts at Goodwill that she never wore, but that was as far as it went. Now she is 21 and seems to be a happily adjusted young WOMAN. if this nonsense were a thing when I was a kid I imagine that I would've gone through the same thing wondering if I was a boy. Thank God I didn't. As I grew up I embraced my femininity, got married and have three beautiful children. Being their mother has been the greatest thing to ever occur in my life. It makes me sad and angry what these children are going through because of these progressive Communists who have gained a foothold in our country!!
I had 6 brothers growing up, 5 older than me. There were lots of times I wished I were a boy, just because being the only girl I stood out in ways I didn't want to. But like you I was married (twice) and dated in adulthood and have no desire to be a man. I'm happy with who I am, who God made me to be.
@@TheKatell52 I was thinking about this the other day. The difference between now and back then is that I NEVER thought that I was a boy. At times I wanted to be a boy because "boy" activities were more fun but the thought never crossed my mind that I was a boy in a girl's body. If I had grown up in this culture of craziness, I probably would've wondered and anguished over it and maybe done something that I would've later regretted!
The whole movement is easy to understand if you understand that we are controlled by Satanists/Luciferians, Lucifer can be male, female or both. If you look for example at Baphomet or Shiva you always will find both in one like Ying/Yang, black/white (pattern in Freemasonry) or the 8 pointed star in front of the Vatican or on the flag of Great Britain (2 stars in one, the star of Ishtar/Easter (Statue of Liberty reprsenting the female part of the devil and representing "Freedom for Sex", Luciferianism mainly is a Sex cult hence you also celebrate rabbits on Easter because they reproduce alot hence also used by Playboy. Thats also the "Mary" the Roman-Catholic church/ROME (NWO) worships.
But the 2nd part is that families are the enemy nr.1 for the "Elite" and all what they want is a jungle, easier to control. Thats why you also had the Feminist movement pushed by Rockefellers so that women could also be taxed and children go all day to school for indoctrination.
Singers and actors in media are false idols people worship, immitate and believe. They are being used to transport their agendas to the masses, just look at music videos today, girls twerking half naked on stage ...
I'm from communist country and this have little to do with communism or left. I do believe what you see are just symptoms of illness. Illness seems to me be slow deterioration and collapse of society and its values. And again I do not think it is because of the left. There is something more deeper behind this that urge people to radicalize and adopt more and more insane ideas. Why it is that is the real question.
@@terra1242 Maybe nothing more behind all this than "the Devil finds work for idle hands"?
Here's to hoping this conversation doesn't get banned or shadow banned.
@@manubishe in my experience when things are removed that are already popular it does not garner more attention, it makes a lot of people not see them and a minority seek it
d/l it now
I didn’t see this recommended to me by the algorithm, in fact almost none of jbp’s vids are recommended even tho I’m subscribed and watch his vids. CZcams is silencing anyone intelligent.
@@breakinmadly mine were, and there was a time when I unsubbed I was getting recommendation to his older videos where he stood up to the SJWs. Now that I'm less busy I resubbed and this video too appeared in my feed.
@@manubishe yeah and thats where we are 😊
I think the silent majority is starting to not want to be silent about the crimes of the woke/left anymore.
Dr. Peterson I enjoy many of your challenging debates/podcasts/commentaries. etc. The airtime that you have devoted to Ms. Schrier and her work is to be commended.
Her journalist's analysis of what she sees as a very challenging issue is indeed very worthy of debate. You conduct a very balanced, reasoned. calm and informed interface for her findings to be very clearly represented.
I really enjoyed the presentation. Thank You