What if Italy Discovered America?
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What if everything went perfect for Italy? (Not fascist)
cool video. what if an Independent Mayan empire existed today?
what If the Iroqouis Confederacy survived till today as an Independent sovereign nation-state?
You know how in the “What if everything went PERFECT for *Insert Country*” he states that he wont make it “X Country annexes the world, the end” I kind of want him to make a version of that series detailing how a country could conquer the world
isn’t that literally what he does
that would be interesting... but also in what time to start
@@RelfGamer we would start when we need to start
What if Everything went HORRIBLE for the World?
Nazi Germany Attempts to Conquer the Entire World for Some Reason Idk (Nazi Germany was once of the few country with such a large ambition so i guess that would have to be the starting point for this kinda senario).
That's just a modern america with all their non-profit organisations
Idea: what if the western Roman Empire survived instead of the eastern Roman Empire
This is the best idea I've heard! I hope he sees this
There's a video about it on youtube by neatling if you're interested
This is great
great idea
That has already been done by Neastling
Idea: What if Italy unified during the Renaissance, successfully avoiding the carving of the peninsula by European powers and slowly building an unified state
As an Italian I think it could be really interesting to see how a unified Italian state would compete with the others European powers. My take is that they end up unified by either the Medici or Venice, in any case it would be a republic, as it was quite common and was the eventual evolution of the northern communal system.
Vatican state made it impossible.
@@Bordigoid we can either get the Magnifico's dream come true, or get them united by getting piece after piece to keep the balance of power in the franco-habsburg struggle
@@stylus_sheath I think they could get the pope's favor, either making him into some important role in this state or at least favoring his personality. We are really talking about a medieval kind state, not a modern unitary one, at least it would start as a confederation and it would be a great opportunity for the pope to shift italy away from the HRE definitely
What if Italy is unified via the princeps so acclaimed by Maccchiavelli (none other than Cesare Borgia) in the early to mid 16th century? Consequently providing thIs unified Italy with a foothold in Spain due to the obvious Borgia’s origins. This might provIde Italy some interesting opening into the strait of Gibraltar.
The best Scenario for Italy finding America is if Italy manages to unify then discover America
Problem being you can't really deal with the Papal State until after the Reformation, since before that all you're doing is giving more established powers an excuse to invade you.
Absolutely, but idk if that would even be realistic considering all the small states that are there at that time and nationalism not really existing yet
@@TroysMoviesGamingand I think another big factor is foreign interest, like Spain and Austria would likely not be willing to give up their Italien possessions without a fight
@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 Spain didn't exist.
As an Italian, hearing Medishi instead of Medici made me almost sick……But I have to say that you made a good video! Keep going with this amazing scenarios!
Verissimo guarda
Mesitzi
So you say it medichi?
What if medici went to Japan?
@@IMPORTADOZAPOPAN-zq3oh I think?
English is not my native language I am Italian
Spain:LOOK WHAT YOU DID AUSTRIA
AUSTRIA:IT WAS YOUR FAULT SPAIN
France:nice!!!
Charles V ( Hispanic-Habsburgs)is a son of Spanish Princess not a Austrian 100% fathers by the way Austria left the equation in a great part
@@Benito-lr8mzson of a Spanish queen*
@@Benito-lr8mz Charles V was raised by his granfather Maximilian I of Habsburg, Archduke of Austria and Emperor of the HRE, and ruled from Vienna. The fact that his mother was Joana I QUEEN of Castile and Princess of Aragon, Naples, Sicily and Sardinia doen't change much. Also, Charles V was grandson of the 4 most powerful rulers in Europe only behind the Ottoman Emperor and on-par with the French King, so he was 25% Austrian, 25% Castilian, 25% Burgundian and 25% Aragonese.
@@Benito-lr8mz Da igual,nació en Bélgica y no pisó España hasta los 18,de español tenía 0,y lo demuestran las guerras que hubo en Castilla contra el porque era practicamente volverse una colonia del SIRG,lo que terminó siendo.
Suggestion what if both branches of the house of Habsburg survived (No wars of spanish and austrian succession)
But without the war of Spanish Succession they wouldn't survived on the throne as Charles II was so inbred he couldn't normally function much less marry and provide heirs *even female ones). Better scenario would be to allow Habsburgs to win War of Spanish Succession instead
I love the merch pillow but I think it’s a bit suspicious to have a PH pillow without my friends and family, knowing about your channel
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And the color scheme just happened to include orange…
This would be quite interesting for the Renaissance as the greater wealth from the lucrative Americas (especially those in modern Peru and Mexico) would help further the funding of things like art, statues and philosophy, which would help in the rise of universities and colleges on the mainland of Florence and the rest of the Italian peninsula.
Perhaps the Renaissance would carry on for atleast another century, leading to a resurgence in Italian identity as heirs of Classical Roman civilisation. Another thing to take into account would be the Papal states as that same wealth would enrich the Catholic Church further and empowering their already strong authority.
If we're going full alt history induced hysteria, we could make it prevent the Protestant Reformation due to the Catholic Church having money from the Americas instead of Indulgences (This is basically impossible, but cool)
hey great comment but as Italian I have unfortunatly bust this interesting scenario; I have to explain what Renaissance actually was at the time, it was surely a rediscovery of classic culture, but a lot of art stuff was financed by nobles families; but you might think why this happened. It was more of less like the space race in Cold War the "signorie" of center-north Italy were rival, at the time they were the economic power house of Europe, but no one of them was enough strong to unify Italy; so they began to build art masterpieces to flex theyre power; the more beautiful was the court the more important was the signoria Renascence would probably be more philosophy centrated and having signorie alleys each other would likely have turned out in less paintings and less monument/churches. The saved money would be spent in the "compagnia delle indie occidentali italiane"
ps sorry for my broken English
@@testascura.1874 Basically, instead of killing each other, the Italians simply waged war with art, leading to an explosion of innovation.
@@rey_nemaattori yes but unfortunately we also had normal wars this was a sort of "parallel way of War" that likely reduced wars instrad of totally avoiding them.
But yes to make It simple you are kinda right
@@testascura.1874 As an English speaking native from Britain, yours is decent and thanks for the added context.
To be real, Spain would be struggling to catch up since they have no idea where to go and no ports when they get there, while Italy would be already established.
It's entirely possible Spain ends up somewhere else in the Americas
That aside, it's kinda weird that the Italian Company didn't give way to Italian Unification
I'm wondering tho, if simple things like a tax on the Gibraltar strait for American goods couldn't just completely stop the advance of the Italien company
@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 How would would a diminished Spain enforce it and at what point would it be cheaper to just use the wealth the Italian Company accumulated to seize it or bribe the Pope into supporting them?
@@InfernosReaper enforcing it would be relatively easy I think because of how narrow it is. You can basically see every passing ship and if you wanted to maybe even fire on them
@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 Not if you don't have the resources to deal with "what if they fire back"
Could you do a "What if the Dutch Republic conquered the entire lowlands during the eighty years war?"
Absolutely support this
@@rey_nemaattori Thank you.
Suggestion what if Italy unified during the renaissance?
They already did, its called New Jersey
Love your content! Keep up the good work
What if Italy unified in a similar time frame as Spain, France, Britain or if Germany did?
One of those examples is not like the others
@@Noctem_pasaGermany kinda sus
@@Noctem_pasa No shit?
@@TheRacy I misunderstood, thought you were saying “what if Italy unified in a similar time as Spain, France, Britain, or Germany did” as if Germany was comparable to the Renaissance-era national union the others were
Mb gng
@@Noctem_pasa I mean, France unified in the Middle Ages, Spain in the Renaissance and Britain in the Barroque, putting those three toghether is as outlandish as grouping it with Germany. The only thing with them is that they unified in the same generation as the Italians did.
I'm sad you didn't talk about Venice at all.
I know the chance of them caring, or participating, is slim (given how ludicrously wealthy trade with the Arab states made them) but the production capabilities of their Arsenal alone make them important for naval dominance.
If we're assuming an Italian trading company, investment from the Venetians and Genoans could give them some much needed naval power; they'd also have a, frankly, stupid amount of money to play with. Obviously, this is unlikely and a little unrealistic, but an pan-Italian mercantile empire is basically Renaissance on steroids, and is cool to think about (and I think in the spirit of the topic)
Another great video! I love the work, keep it up!
Great Video! Keep it up!
I love your content may you please consider a what if everything went perfect for the ottomans in the future? Thx
This could be very interesting
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Good video! Very intresting!
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@@barsukascool
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That's what I'm saying!
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another great video by possible history.
For some reason, I really wish you to do 2 scenarios in 1: What if Poland had a good navy, allowing them to develop very successful sea trade, and what if Christopher Columbus (born as Krzysztof Kolumb) was born in Krakow in 1451
What if Norway Discovered America (They did)
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenrio)
They didn't do it, not because they didn't arrive, but because they didn't inform Europe and they forgot about it.
@@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt Well, there was also obviously people already living there. Didn't they discover it? I think Norway is more significant because they WERE the first Europeans there. Columbus marks the first time Europeans were in permanent contact with the Americas (besides Greenland).
@@quujj Hahaha, it's not important if it adds absolutely nothing to the story, We didn't even know that until a few years ago, it doesn't matter at all, and they aren't even the first Europeans, Native Americans already have traces in their DNA that there were Europeans millennia before who mixed
@@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt No,la primera mezcla entre nativos y europeos se hizo cuando llevaron indigenas a Islandia en el año 1000,por cierto los viajes de Colón no creo que sean el hecho más importante de la humanidad,quien crea eso primero no sabe de historia y segundo,no sabe ni de la era de la que está hablando.Había ya a principios del siglo XVI muchas dudas a Colón porque ya había habido navegantes portugueses por el atlántico, y uno de ellos Joao Vaz Corte Real estuvo en Terranova en 1473,o incluso pescadores ingleses vascos y portugueses ya estuvieron por esa zona.Por cierto la colonia de vikingos en Groelandia(qué es América) duró 500 años,hasta 1450 precisamente.
I think you should do a what if the americas were a small archipelago in the middle of a giant pacific and Atlantic combined. How would history play out afterwards.
everything would change...literally...
Probably France and Ottomans dominating Europe
That would change so much about the water currents and weather that the nations and cultures wouldn't be recogniseable.
The climate would be so messed up we likely wouldn't have a humanity
honestly its a miracle that at no point in history one nation/dynasty had complete control over europe
Does the final coalition against Napoleon controlled by Britain count?
charlemange? almost at least
Awesome video as always but that pronunciation of Florence is wild
Yeah
Video suggestion: what if everything went perfect for Spain? I first thought of this for modern Spain but it could also apply to the post-columbian Spain.
Honestly I'd love a what if everything went perfectly for the Netherlands video
Idea what if italy unified in the 1400s
Thank you for always asking the what if’s that I would never even think of.
what if France was the first European country to 'discover' the Americas?
The worst scenario
Never say that again
@@ClanGaming635Didn't realise that you were subbed to this channel! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Cav-zk4gt lol I would say that again
Please no
Any Italian state that wanted to colonize outside of the Mediterranean would need either permission from the Iberians to get through the Strait of Gibraltar or a base around said straight, whether it be on the Iberian or African side. As in the video, the most realistic role for the Italians to play in the Americas would be to colonize the Caribbean and grow cash crops.
Love your videos!!
yay i got no life so im first
Literally me
This is probably the only way to type "first" thst I can tolerate
@@mateuszlinke7469 Mood
It's interesting to see how perfect things really went for Spain irl
Good video keep up
You havent Even watched the entire video my guy:O
Another great PH video! 🥵
Unsure on the possibility on this scenario, but what if the Kingdoms of Castile and Leon never united, thus never forming the foundation of what would become Spain?
That'd be pure chaos the border could be anywhere and could either not afect the rest of the world or change all colonialism ever. Literally all combinations have happened during the Reconquista, you'd just have a Spain and Portugal/Navarra/Aragon/Valencia, since more than two countries wouldn't be stable in Iberia and allways the bigger one would be called Spain (Hispania, España, Espanha or Espanya). The only meaningful diference is that in the specific case where Navarra stays strong Basque would be a pretty big language in Europe and probably in North America and the Caribbean (Somewhat like a "What if Wales unified Britain?" kind of scenario).
Liked the Premiere with RH
Idea: what if Francisco Morazan's United provinces of Central America succeeded and remained stable.
Just a few video ideas:
What if everything went perfectly for the Congress of Vienna?
What if the Greeks avoided Ottoman conquest?
What if everything went perfectly for the Qing Dynasty?
What if the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence was honored?
What if France discovered the Americas?
What if Rome fell during the 3rd Century Crisis?
What if the Europeans never found America?
What if Justinian never tried to restore the Roman Empire?
You should continue your "triumphs of war" series, I'd suggest with either France or the UK.
12:25 "China of the Americas"
*_shows Indian coins_*
what if somalia discovered america?
More like Oman. Somalia was Oman colony
Can you do "what if everything went perfectly for italy" next?
Love da new maps :)
New maps not featured yet.
(See orange HRE border next to orange Hungary…)
@@Cannon530YTOO shhh
'what if everything went perfect for italy' would be a great video idea l think
I'd argue that Cortez and Pizzaro were... honestly, just _incredibly_ lucky.
How do you make your maps and where do you get the maps? Great video
They're on his discord
Video Idea:
What If everything went perfect for the axis?
I saw that months ago that you Had it as an upcomming Video
Italy would probably have large swathes over north Africa and coastal Balkan lands. Maybe the Mediterranean coast of the middle east
Germany would have much of Europe, the rest of Africa, and the European parts of Russia.
Japan would have the entirety of southeast Asia and much of Oceania. Depending on when the British surrender, also Australia.
They'd have the Siberian parts of Russia and much of the east and central Asia.
Britain has two possibilities, they continue the fight and get conquered, or they give up early. Maybe after the fall of France. If they give up early, their empire will largely stay intact. Africa and eventually India being no more.
The u.s has a few possibilities, the could fight, and if everything went perfect they'd lose, or they would sell the Philippines and continue selling oil to Japan. I think the Germans might leave the u.s and Americans alone due to its high German populations. Japan will probably see them as a trusted trading partner.
I don't think it's improbable that a far right president gets into office, and takes the very slow transition to a dictatorship. Conquering the Americas under the guise of, "spreading democracy and freedom"
hey man, what software do u use to make those maps, i kinda wanna use it to make my own fantasy maps etc etc
What's the song/music at 20:03? You use it habitually in your videos and I really like it, but can't find it anywhere.
"What if everything went perfect for Italy"
*France gains hegemony over Europe*
What if Switzerland expanded a lot more to control the Alps and more
What if Venice was able to create the Suez Canal with the Mamelukes in the 15th century? It would require delaying ottoman conquest of the Mamelukes, but it sounds interesting to me
Great thumbnail, made me click instantly haha
very interesting scenario
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As a french, i like these timelines a lot =)
As a french, i see this as an absolute victory !
first time being this early to any video ever hello from chicago
No comments about the Spanish conquering North Africa instead?
They were going to go somewhere, so why not have them already committed to North Africa?
This would prevent them from committing to the New World early on, but still channel the energy into somewhere realistic.
Can you do a what if Shah Rukh kept the Timurid empire together?
He did get it back together, the real collapse was after he died.
@@thenamesianna fair point. I meant that what if his heir didn’t mess things up (this is 99% of my Eu4 campaigns)
Remember he did the video on how to save the Byzantine Empire by making the Varna Crusades successful? I kind of want a part 2 and see if the Byzantines also colonize America. It may be stretching their capabilities a little bit, but hey, he already did that with Italy, so let's see.
Even Spain's fellow Catholics like Italy had this many problems with them. How do you think Spain would ever allow the Orthodox Byzantines?
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Pizarro's and Cortez's conquests are 1 in a million historical flukes. They were diplomatic geniuses. Not something that can be replicated. And heavily intermarried with local Nobility to set up alliances. 160 Spanish + 40k native allies conquered the Inca + Half the Inca estate (they were in civil war) + all the other native kingdoms that wanted independence, like 100% of the coastal kingdoms of Peru.
As an italian this indeed was as both interesting and as both unrealistic expect if Italy somehow unified like some alternative history youtubers who you made videos with and then eventually tooked some lands like in faraway andalus yet
There is another MAYOR scenario:
If Naples (at that time part of the Crown of Aragon) had colonial posessions under the same King of Spain, but in the war of Spanish Succession they got independence but kept their colonies and, later, the Kingdom of Italy got those colonies in America when they unified. That would meaningfully change Italy since it'd be unified South to North, oposite to our timeline, and they would have some colonies and likely wouln't be so incompetent in Africa. Also, modern Italian would most likely be Neopolitan instead of Tuscan and there would be many more speakers in the world.
UGH gotta go do this in eu4 now....
Can you do a video where Italy unite before 1861, a good time where this can append are the italian wars
Could you please do a “What if everything went PERFECT for the Natives?” Maybe you could focus on the Inca or something else? I would love to see an alt history where they aren’t all massacred 😢
Minor complaint: Poland and Lithuania were seperate states until the Union of Lublin in 1569
this is the kinda guy i'd watch a sponsor of
Argentina and New Jersey are the closest polities to Italian New World colonies in our timeline.
What software do u use for these maps
even the absolute best case scenario for a colonial italy still feels depressingly underwhelming
this scenario should have gone further down the best case route, even at the cost of being completely unrealistic
would have been super interesting imo
What if the Invincible Armada conquered England?
As an Englishman reconsidering Catholicism, I think that's pretty based! 🇪🇸
Armada* which literally means navy, Spain never called its navy invincible.
@@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt he said armada?
@@crafterrium8724 Without invincible
@@Cobijadetigre-ix8vt but he said invincible too
Video idea: what if the russian provisional republic never fell, ie what if kerensky (i think that was his name) didnt screw up quite as badly
IDEA: What if as many countries as possible managed to succesfully colonize the Americas?
really wish you did more of what if everything went perfect for X country videos. I already made my own for Italy and UK(mostly) and I wish you did those to
I still have the thought of wanting a Part two to some scenarios as either way we are thinking about fiction so why not go all the way
18:07 it is my friend. it is.
Possible continuation is that if the last scenario happens and Genoa joins the United Italy that means Napoleon stays in that country so that’s a scenario where Napoleon units all of Italy and tries to remake the Roman Empire. Just a thought I had while watching
Idea: What if Hitler and Stalin died in August of 1941
I wanna see your take on what if Charles V gave the lowlands and milan to Austria instead of spain after his death or what if everything went perfect for the ottomans
Although in the pessimist scenarii, there would probably be Italian based creoles which is cool.
When you're in a mispronouncing competition and your opponent is PH.
Suggestion: What if the Allies recognized Ho Chi Minh's Democratic Republic of Vietnam after the August Revolution in 1945, rather than allowing the French to return to Indochina.
The early DRV shared power between the Indochinese Communist Party and Vietnamese Nationalist Party, and from what I understand of the situation, Ho Chi Minh hoped to become an American ally, with the OSS backing Viet Minh activity and the establishment of the DRV. It wasn't until British troops reinstated French rule in the south that things began to break down, especially once the Chinese Nationalists left their occupation zone in the North with the Viet Minh in power in the major cities.
Ho Chi Minh wanting to be an American ally sounds so wrong, considering what came after but that could be really interesting. Maybe instead of Korea the first big conflict of the Cold War is the Chinese Civil War with America providing supply through Vietnam if they are an American ally
What if everything went perfect for Italy (not fascist)?
This.
Italy IS a American power! It just discovered America much later. But this detail did not prevented italians to colonize america. The USA and Brazil is full of italian people.
It could be possible, that if the Italian West Indies Company was able to bring back enough wealth and gather enough soldiers (or mercenaries), not unlike the British East Indies in our timeline, they could possibly incite coups or make deals with the various Italian governments to force them into a "North Italian Confederation" of sorts, making the new Confederation a truly economic powerhouse in the Mediterranean, but also with a large enough military to protect itself from the French and Habsburgs. If they did it with the Popes blessing, they may even be able to acquire some or most of the Papal State lands as well.
scenario idea: what if Serbia/Yugoslavia won the Yugoslav wars.
W video like always
Its come out in the past several years that the Italians already knew of the Americas
I would love to see a video where the “Trail of Tears” never happened
The rise and fall of this Italian trading company mirrors that of the MQA audio standard in RL. Deep.
can you do if everything went perfect for greece. It would be very intresting such as megali ideas and even more far reaching such as greeks of pontus or crimean greaks or even greeks of lebanon and egypt
Even Crimean and Pontics would be pushing it too far but getting the ones in Lebanon or Egypt is outright impossible. It would be the equivalent of Germany conquering all the way to the Volga Germans in Russia in his what if everything went perfect gor Germany video. Aka too much of a pipedream.
@@simulacrumpilot2777 obv but it would be interesting. I would think in the best best case scenario the pontics would be viable. Dont forget the greeks of south italy to.
@@SamuelIlizarov I mean it would be interesting but even in this video by PH's admission we were pushing the limits of realism. Your idea is even more difficult than that. As for Pontics the best they can hope for is getting absorbed by a big Armenia really. They are too far away from mainland Greece and not strong enough to stand on their own.
As for Greeks of Italy, I don't know enough about them to make a comment.
you should do a video on a different German state uniting Germany (could be Bavaria or Saxony it doesn't really matter)