ROUND 2: Johnny vs. Star Fox 2
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Round 2 is back in action, and today's subject is the officially released Star Fox 2! Thought to have been a cancelled game forever, the game is now fully available on the SNES Classic and Nintendo Switch Online Service! So how does it stack up against the prototypes and, most importantly, other games in the series?
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#StarFox #LylatWars #Nintendo - Hry
"About 4 years ago I look at the game during my Star Fox Marathon"
Jesus Chris, 4 YEARS AGO???
And I still remember like it was yesterday
I remember being so upset having to wait through the MGS marathon just to hear his thoughts on Earthbound.
Who's Chris?
Jesus Chris
Same I had the exact same reaction when he said that
On a similar thing, it still blows my mind that 2010 was 10 years ago. Being able to fully remember everything that happened in a decade is surreal.
Star Fox 2 : The Game nobody ever thought Nintendo would officially release.
All we need now is Mother 3.....
@@samoli11 Mother 3 was officially released. Just not localized. I get what you mean though and I agree.
Know what we need that HASNT been released yet? That "Zelda Maker" demo used to help develop BOTW. We need that, that's what we need.
I heard the beta everyone use to play was easier
Metroid Dread now feels even lonelier...
Earthbound 64
Star Fox 2: **gets released and everyone forgets about it after 3 years**
Mother 3: Dang I wish that were me
It’s 2020. Anything’s possible.
Fuck that. Mother 3's a much better game than Star Fox 2.
If anything, it may revive the series if properly released for Western audiences.
@@abloogywoogywoo Mother 3 is overrated trash
@Mohammed Barwani I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and that's concerning.
Well, Mother 3 WAS released, after all... It just didn't get ported out of Japan.
We live in an age when they're STILL releasing Super Nintendo games. Even if this was the last one that's still incredible
Eat your heart out PS2.
Sega released 2 sega genesis games in 2019
Yeah... about that
And it suck that it kinda clashes with everything else Nintendo have done with preservation.
@@MRWINDYMETHANEthe ps2 had constant support til 2014. This was an afterthought
Johnny is like that cool uncle who's really chill, but doesn't force it
If Johnny was my uncle I would want to hang out with him all the time.
Johnny has TWO CATS NOW?
I need DETAILS, SOMECALLMEJOHNNATHAN
If I remember correctly, he said on Twitter that a store owned by his family was closing and he took in the bodega cat.
Meet Chico Odinson:
Philadelphia's best Cop
How about a better name, like SOMECALLMEJOHNNY5?
@MultiTarded Duhhh Cringe!! Duhhh Bringe!!
Watch his Dark Souls review.
Removing the gamepad, just adding gyro aiming (which is actually accurate on the tv) would completely fix Zero and probably elevate it quite a lot.
I agree. Thatd make it a 7/10 easily
Why remove gp support tho?
Switch Port?
Calum Bishop YES
A switch port would do AWESOMELY
so far, games with gyro controls on switch do it excellently with a good example being Splatoon 2
Zero would definitely benefit from not only a control remapping, but a port as well
Definitely I really wanted that option on that game. It would have made it so much better
8:31. “We did it Patrick, we saved the lylat system!!!”
True. XD
RIP Rick May, the voice actor of Peppy Hare and Team Fortress 2's Soldier ❤️
He was wonderful in his roles.
I’m hoping Terraria gets the Round 2 treatment, considering it just received its final update
yeah, especially since the first time through he stopped at the end of normal mode, missing out on most of the cntent.
Yes. the game has a dedicated endgame now with the moonlord, It has Animal-crossing style town designing, and more class isolation with a ton of cool weapons
@@aidanostering9919 wasnt the moon lord out since 1.3 or smth like that? or are u talking about since johnny last played it?
MoonMan keep in mind, when He reviewed the game, it was in 1.2 at the time
Oh god yes, it might take a while, but I would love to see him complete the game.
Never played the first 2 star fox games, despite them looking very old I still find them kinda charming looking
IMO they're a novelty these days, that's coming from someone who got the Starwing (Star Fox) SNES bundle for Christmas as a kid. They've aged horribly.
Henry Hunter I played the first game for the first time a few days ago and man it was weird. I didn’t hate my time with it but if you’re going to play a Star Fox game play the 64 remake on the 3ds.
@@VincentEternal the frame rate is what gets me. If you can play it on an emulator with improved frame rate it's not too bad
@@henryhunter9643 aged horribly, but still fun as fuck.
Technically Star Fox 2 is a modern game true it was half finished and canned a couple of years after the first it only came out a few years back with the release of the SNES mini
Well, that certainly came outta nowhere. And I didn’t expect the next Round 2 to be StarFox 2
DaFro3713 The numbers have aligned.
StarFox 2 is now the newest starfox game to receive an official release and that is hilarious to me
Why??
0:50 Time out! where'd the second cat come from?!
Omg Johnny's channeling his inner Wii-Fit Trainer.
You're trying to lose weight too? We got this, brother!
I've lost 50 pounds, took me a year, still need to lose 30 more
@@tobiaswalker7562 You go dude!
Because corona kills fat people. That's why it's such a mess in the usa now
8:58 "There is absolutely no reason to play Star Fox 2 when games like Star Fox 64 are better in just about every category."
I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you there. While I get your arguments against it such the games clunkyness, the walker and strategic elements make it stand out from the other games (without being too divisive like Assault's ground missions) and I feel that gives more reason to want to go back to it. Now saying you don't want to go back to the original game when 64 exists makes more sense since 64 was literally a reboot of it, although even then I personally still like to revist the original as well.
Werewolfwrath, StarFox 64's statue is to blame for some of the biggest issues in the series, including: overshadowing, purists that ignore the original and latch onto the reboot as if it were the original, stagnation, and bad fan service. Don't get me wrong 64 is a good game, heck the controls, the objective paths mechanic, and characters got me in love, but it's not so good that it makes innovation obsolete. Do people still enjoy those landmaster and blue marine sections because last I checked people tried to avoid them. I bring all of this to say that we shouldn't ignore the good in the other games and that incorporating the good doesn't hurt. It also helps to remove the Rose tinted glasses that everyone likes to wear these days.
But _everyone wanted_ Star Fox 2 until they realized it just wasn't as good as the original Star Fox. For me, its the bloody laggy frame rate and camera issues that kill it for me. Not a very good experience. I like to feel in control, and not griefed by General Pepper constantly. I'd rather Star Fox 64.
StarFox Assault and StarFox 2 are both better directions to take the series than StarFox 64, and I think it shows given how Zero went out.
Even without the motion controls I have so many problems with Zero. It's hype crashed and burned fast and the game inevitably flopped.
@@abloogywoogywoo Original Star Fox had laggy frame rate too. Camera wasn't too friendly either.
Nintendo just dropped this seemingly lost game out of nowhere.
but now seeing it in surprised that they had not sold is before they put it in the mini.
We were robbed of 2 great interesting Female Characters in Miyu and Fay.
@@brandonwilliams6119 but we got Krystal?
@@peteynutt4104 Krystal got robbed of having her own game >.>
@@BlueAizu_ Also keep in mind that Super FX2 carts were expensive as hell to produce. The timing for such a game just didn't make sense when looking at the large picture. They likely thought it was best to cut their losses with the development and not bother producing the game when it would cost so much for hardware that would still make it look outdated to consumers of the time
@@peteynutt4104 Krystal isn't interesting. She's neat, but all Nintendo ever does with her is "Oh By ThE wAy KrYsTaL aNd FoX lOvE eAcH oThEr" and it's incredibly obnoxious, especially in Command where that's basically the entire plot of the game. Miyu and Fae are pretty interesting design wise and Starfox has a incredible nack for never having female characters at all, so it wouldn't hurt to add more, let alone new Starfox team members who's personalities could add a little more spice.
Starfox 2 magically got released so what's the hold up with Mother 3 huh Nintendo?!
we already got undertale...
...jk lol
Why did you have to remind me? Why did you have to bring up the pain repressed for so long?!
@@ShibuNub3305 So I know I'm not the only one with this pain :)
If Nintendo does release Mother 3 into the US, you know for damn sure they'll censor the hell out of that game, considering the *heavy* amounts of dark, suggestives & mature elements that game has, even for a T-rated Nintendo game. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing Mother 3 come to the US, but expect to see Nintendo of America give it the 4kids treatment if it ever comes to the US.
Just get a reproduction cart. Damn.
Good god, I wish the StarFox series would get another installment with the characters from 64, Assault and 2 combined, would be a fun as heck story with great gameplay.
Was nice to see Star Fox again before gettin' sent back to the Dungeon again with the Others~...
_...Godspeed._
"It was nice to take down Andross's true form this time"
Yeah, about that, Johnny...
*spoilers for this 20+ year old game*
Turns out that according to some supplementary info, a "Mission File Printout" guide for the series, Andross was using a Remote-Controlled Computer to oversee his armies without needing to be present. In short, he pulled the old "Doombot" trick --- and Star Fox 2 was the second time he did so.
Had Star Fox 64 been a continuation instead of a reboot, I could see the Hard Venom Path as the team finally killing Andross for good.
So, you're working out now, huh?
Johnny VS _Ring Fit Adventure_ when? 😏
Just paused to say shoutout to you for exercising and losing weight! Been losing myself over the last couple months, it's hard but so rewarding! Can't wait to see swole Johnny 💪🏾
I tried playing this for a little bit on the SNES Mini, but when I lost, I was just like wtf is going on haha
Also, that Celeste shirt, bro 🔥
The game itself is definitely weird, but I find the world itself to be a charming kind of weird. I swear though, on hard mode, those Star Wolf members can test you. It's been a while, since I was able to go without losing a wingmate, which is really what I'm tryin' to play the game, for.
3:08 Ahhh welcome back Spaceballs reference.
No-no-no. Go past this part. Go past it. In fact, never play this part again.
I love that part!
Oh hell yeah Johnny has returned to the Lylet System.
HEY James!
Or as Andross says: The LIIIIEEEEEELIGHT system!
3:33 Mirage Dragon? Huh? Didn't know Starfox took place in the same universe as yugioh.
0:43 Oh my god, IT'S CLASSIC JOHNNY
That's crazy! I was legit watching your Starfox 1 and 2 before you uploaded this!!
Johnny, I really appreciate the Spaceballs reference you put at 3:07, that one had me rolling lmfao
I know. I love Spaceballs!
I love your videos man. One thing about your channel I love so much is that I can be watching one review and you mention another game and then I want to watch that review. For example, I just finished watching your RE 4 video Thursday morning and right after it, you uploaded your Round 2 Star Fox 2 video. After watching it, that lead to me watching all your Star Fox videos Saturday morning. Now you got me playing Star Fox 64, I love that game, especially the 3DS Remake since that is how I first experienced the game back in 2011.
Im really glad that Round 2 is looking like an actual series and not left in the past like Now and Then. Really love these videos, they're like my crack really.
"Music connoisseurs... Snoop Dog".
I died a little inside.
3:08
“Nonono, go past this part! In fact, never play this part again.”
It would be awesome if there was a animated Star Fox series in the style of the star fox zero short
Well there is Fox in Space, right
I would like to see Starfox Zero get a second chance on the Switch. I think it would sell better than it did on the Wii U.
It will obviously do better because on Wii U you had to use the gamepad for gimmick reasons. But Switch has no gamepad so it's easily a better experience.
I just wonder how feasible it’d be. Like, I was going to say that it’d be easy - just have a button you press to switch views - but thinking about it I remember there being a couple bosses where that may not work, specifically the ones where in the outer view you’re literally flying to the left or right of the screen. What happened to the laser reticle when you switch between the two extremes during those fights?
Nope. That ship has already sailed. No need to go back.
I'd rather they make a new game instead of porting a reimagining of a reimagining for the umpteenth time. Plus the framework of the wii u isn't the same as the Switch, they're not going to get rid of the motion controls because the game was made with them in mind.
@@awkwardsilence4427 I mean, there was a button that did that. And it does work on all bosses, on switching said views from the two screens.
Finally another round 2 video. I love seeing these games revisited and seeing your current and updated opinion.
Also patiently awaiting the videos on the other Mario rpgs like Paper Mario and M&L. You already did Super Paper Mario YEARS AGO, so why not do the others (or at least the good ones)? It doesnt have to be a marathon, rpgs are taxing enough. But I'd love to see your input into these games.
Was not expecting this upload, great video! 👍
Miyu and Fay deserve to return in a new Star Fox game but with good personalities
Full agree, Miyu is the best StarFox character design (and I'd love for more artists to be inspired to draw her.. hue hue)
Fay deserves more love.
Can Fay have a Noblewoman's Laugh?
I'm okay with Miyu and Fay, but they are pretty flat blank characters due to the nature of StarFox 1 and 2 being even more bare bones with the characters than the rest of the series.
Yeah, Miyu, Fay, and Krystal could definitely round out the tropish boys with issues.
i would like to see Johnny live streaming himself raging at Expert
Can we please crowdfund enough money to convince Nintendo to bring the lovely Fay and Miyu back into the mainline Star Fox canon?
That would require Nintendo actually wanting to move the goddamn canon forward instead of just re-re-re-re-re-rehashing Starfox 64 for the gazillionth time.
Andrevus Whitetail sad but true
Yeah those two and Krystal which makes 3 could bring some nice girl power to the Star Fox team. Give them meaningful roles and personalities to liven up the squad.
Zero definitely deserves a reworked Switch release. As long as they don't remove one gimmick for another. If they strip the gamepad controls then force motion controls it won't fix the problem. The game desperately needs traditional control methods. They can add motion controls as an option, but they shouldn't be forced on the player. I bought Zero day 1, and I don't regret it, but I also haven't touched it again since about a week after launch. I did EVENTUALLY get used to the controls, but just because I got used to them doesn't mean I like them. #JusticeForZero
Great review! It was so awkward not having lock-on shots when I first played this. And thank you for the Star Fox Zero appreciation! Sometimes the negativity surrounding that game becomes quite overwhelming.
I’m happy to hear some positive comments on Star Fox Zero, especially amidst all the forced negativity towards it.
I’d be more than happy to replay it. I’ll admit that I avoided the motions controls at first, but once I embraced them, dude! Anything I can do normally, the motion controls made me do it a minute faster!
Man, honestly my biggest disappointment with that game was the severe lack of quality & content in the alternate route stages.
To reach them typically you had to find a portal in the mission you’re in, which instantly and abruptly ends the mission you’re in. And they’re typically only like either half the size of a main route mission (like being just a boss fight for instance). They felt off.
And then the gyro-copter vehicle. Like, on the one hand I actually do love the thing and the levels they’re in...but on the other hand, they’re do really kill the pace of a typical Star Fox run.
I think I’d prefer to just have one massive version of a route that goes though all the stages. It could be easily done, with just a slight tweaking here and there. Sure, it’d feel wildly different from the typical Star Fox formula...but in my opinion even if so it’d still be better than what we got in Zero.
When you want to watch Some call me Johnny videos, but you realize you haven’t played 90% if the games.
Funny this came up, considering I was randomly watching your Star Fox videos earlier today. 😅
1:24 - "Could you ever imagine we'd live in a day and age, where the cancelled Star Fox 2 was un-cancelled and fully released?"
I'm pretty sure cjszero01 mentioned that idea way back in 2009. Since then I had always been hopeful. - Fast forward 9 years and it actually came true.
Star Fox 2: The only reason I spent $80 on a fancy plug-in-play console.
AWESOME video as always my friend.
been watching your videos along with SGB as well for years now and your only getting better & better my friend.
it's because of you that I started my CZcams channel and I just wanted to say thank you for the inspiration.
I hope you and the family are doing well...stay safe & keep on keeping on.
Your reviews always make me feel so comfortable. Like being cozy at home chilling and chatting with a friend. Never change, Johnny :)
10:44 Thanks for mentioning it, I would love to see fay and miyu in more sequels with more personality between them
Ikr.
I can see Miyu as the female cocky badass and Fay as the cutie of the team
@@meganinten0078 That's fairly accurate, fay comes from a rich family
@@pflynn12 I can already imagine her doin' a "Certain" laugh...
Yes, I'd like them and Krystal to come back and let Peppy be mission control
Out of all the games to get a Round 2, I definitely didn't see this one coming.
Johnny: I don't think Zero flopping was the game's fault...
Ryan: *FLIPS ALL THE SHITS*
Awesome vid, and I can’t wait for what comes next!
I'm so glad Johnny has sponsors. John is a legit CZcamsr
Gotta love that good ol polygonal goodness.
Zero was fun when not in all range mode😂(Peppys mission is an exception)
I'd be cool if they made a Star Fox sequel set in the cannon of SF1-2 so we can see the other two members of Star Fox return. Better than another reboot
Nearly everything that Star Fox 2 does Command (and partially Zero) does too, so for anyone interested in these mechanics in a less clunky game should definitely check that out.
It's sad that they didn't give Miyu and Fay another chance in more recent games. As I said, most mechanics have been explored in other titles, but those characters got lost entirely in time, which feels to me like some wasted potential to expand the cast.
I like Miyu and Fay.
They deserve to return in a new game.
Miyu looks like a badass and Fay is so cutie
Ooof, no, not Command. Even Johnny said this game is better to be played than that. And for good reasons. The only thing I can give Command credit for, is it having more varied ships and playable characters than Star Fox 2, but that's all it has going for it.
As for Miyu and Fay, as other's had said and it being pointed out, they kind of more or less have been replaced by the newer characters. One of them by Krystal, and the other (or the same one) by Katt.
@@meganinten0078 Miyu and Fay got replaced by Bill and Katt
Maybe if they make a new game?
I hope so them along with Krystal could really improve the cast.
The Star Fox content is the best part of Starlink IMO.
Hey Johnny I'm just here to let you know that your channel is amazing even I've been watching since 2014 (I think) and even after MECHINEMA's collapse you still managed to pull thought and most of you reviews that I have watched like Metroid prime 3, the Mega man marathon and the Terraria and others has had a massive inspiration on my channel thanks alot dude and keep making amazing videos!
I've never been so happy to hear a Raycon advert after last video's Shudder
Always a good day when Johnny uploads.
As someone who just beat Seven Sirens today after binging it ALL of yesterday, I legit fist pumped hearing that it was Johnny's next stop. I can certainly say it almost felt like WayForward watched his previous videos from how it plays.
A Round 2 video? I remember when you used to do those Johnny.
Thank you for this video, Johnny.
Great job as always
I’m glad he’s doing one on Star Fox 2. I hope John does a round 2 on kh3. I’d love to hear what he thinks of the new moves, critical mode, and the remind content that helps out with the story.
The best thing about this is that this and SF1 is the only releases on the Switch...
Some call him Johnny…
But what do others call him
Juan
I've been waiting for this review since you looked at it before nintendo officially released it! Great stuff
Still pronounces it as “Dye-lan” Cuthbert.
11:45 I love ya, Johnny, but I'mma have to disagree with you here. Star Fox Zero failed because it was a shooter in which the devs purposefully gimped the aiming in order to shove a hardware gimmick down our throats. That's just bad game design.
Make no mistake, I'd love to see Star Fox Zero come to Switch, but only if they actually...you know...made the game good.
People at the time were constantly bitching for Nintendo to utilize the gamepad and when they did they were criticized for it. I can agree that adding an analog aiming option for those uninterested in the gyroscope would have been a good way to make the game more accessible but I firmly believe it's hated due to gaming journalists giving it a prematurely bad reputation. You don't see people giving Zelda shit for gyroscope bow aiming.
It's Zero's lack of additional content to warrant a 50 dollar purchase that bothers me, not so much the game design itself.
@@toamatoro570 I understand where you're coming from. I think Zelda's inclusion of gyro aiming enhanced the experience without sacrificing anything to do so. Star Fox Zero's issue is that they actively made aiming inaccurate where it wasn't before, just to force people to use a far less fluent scheme.
But you raise an excellent point that the amount of content for price wasn't what people expected in the modern year of the time. More original content and greater control options would have helped this game tremendously.
Great video as always man!
I still believe that the reason Starfox 2 was finally and officially released was because of the Wii U and Starfox Zero bombing in sales.
SF2 was always hinted as an influence for SF0 despite it being initially canceled.
Once the NES mini and SNES mini hit the shelves, they finally had a reason (or maybe an excuse) to release the game and regain financial losses.
It would be really neat to see a round 2 for terraria since johnny didnt even get past the wall of flesh last time, not to mention the last update for terraria recently came out and its pretty massive, but other than that great content i love to see ur vids regardless of the games u talk about
I didn't expect this; I even forgot this game got a release.
There's an artist named Picti on twitter who makes fantastic Miyu 3D art XD
It is lewd tho....
I only learned the character wasn't an OC like a few days ago.
Expert mode with Miyu and Fay is not too hard, but you really need to be on the top of your game and manage your Barriers/Bombs/Health regen propelly... especially if Andross decides to send Space Blade as one of the bosses you have to deal with (if you have at least 2 barriers for that boss regardless of your character, you're pretty much safe as long as you trigger happy that blaster button), and yeah, Expert Mode can be very hectic if you don't have a strategy to do things fast (and the Bombs are way too broken to deal with most of the game with ease), but there are also some stuff you can consider, for example, if a battleship is about to fire it's attack (that is 50% damage to Corneria), if you manage to enter the battle, the ship won't fire until you return to the map (assuming you don't destroy it of course) and the ship won't try to kill you with it's overpowered shots that pretty much are very inacurate to begin with, if you have good equipment and you're trying to destroy an enemy but a Star Wolf member is close to you, let them enter the fray, destroy the remnants of the enemy unit you decided to attack and kill the Star Wolf member (this is better done if you have bombs to cheese them), and for the viruses you can apply what I call the "hit and run" strategy (that you pretty much try to destroy at least 1 of the 3 virus enemies and then use the return to map option to deny the virus unit the out of range advantage they get to get the satellite faster than usual if at least 1 of them escapes, this can also apply to enemy squads from the battleships... pretty much an extremely cheap but mandatory strategy if you're not using either Miyu or Fay in the fight).
Last time I was this early, Star Fox 2 was an upcoming game!
Last time I was this early the channel was called super gaming bros
Wonder if we could see a Round 2 video on Shovel Knight since it got it's final bits of improvement to the game and final campaign in the Treasure Trove pack?
Its been long, but glad this got finally release.
It's always fun to watch Johnny vs vids.
Star Fox Zero on Switch with controls designed for humans? Do it, Nintendo!
Man, I applaud you and anyone else for being able to discern anything from the first two star fox games. Maybe it's just me but I find the (unavoidably) atrocious framerate to be way to distracting for me to even attempt to play these. I wonder if anyone has ever tried using an emulator or something to mod the games so they perform a bit better.
Awesome! I cannot wait a Johnny VS Streets of Rage series to come out next after Shantae.
I was wondering when you'd do a round 2 on this. Still feels weird that it's been 4 years since your original video on this game though.
Well, I sure wasn't expecting this one.
Absolutely love this game. So many cool details and collecting all the Pepper Medals reward you greatly.
Also getting a Star Rank grants permanent twin blasters.
It's wild to think that the first news I hear about the new Shantae coming out is from a Johnny Star Fox video.
God damn, the starfox marathon was 4 years ago. I can't believe it
Zero's main issues was the Wii U and the cockpit control scheme not being optional. That was fine to innovate but most people wanted to just shoot enemies on screen, not be looking back and forth on a control pad and TV to get the "accurate" shots
he should do one last sonic marathon. looking at the spinoffs and a re review of sonic black night and colors.
I personally prefer the high energy intense gameplay loop of Star Fox 2. Everything feels so awesome, such a struggle for survival.
It feels more focused and mature that Star Fox 64 did.
64 focused more on obscure branching paths, and gimmicks like 2 Land Master segments and one 1 Blue Marine segment.
Personally I found it hard to really care about the level to level progression, when it meant that I could *loose so much progress* if I game over at any point.
But I respect your opinion Johnny. 64 is a really fun game.
It's also nice that there is no spoken dialogue, since it means I don't have to worry about lines getting repetitive, or breaking my concentration.
12:08 Yep thought so.
I did not know this was officially out!
Love Johnny so much I even listen to the damn ads.
0:43 He knew he was going to open the meme floodgates. He knew.
3:05 in order to play the sequel, you have to beat a level from the prequel!?!?
What kinda requirement is that!?
I love this game I'm glad it was completed. Fay is the best 😁