The Crown | The Queen Challenges Margaret Thatcher
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- Queen Elizabeth and the Prime Minister have a disagreement about foreign policies.
The Crown From Season 4 Episode 8 '48:1' - As many nations condemn apartheid in South Africa, tensions mounts between Thatcher and Elizabeth about their clashing opinions on applying sanctions.
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The Crown | The Queen Challenges Margaret Thatcher
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Gillian Anderson won that bloody Emmy for every bloody second of her performance as Margaret Thatcher. She was just mindblowing!
She Gary Oldman’d into the role, I couldn’t believe it was her after I was blown away by the Thatcher scenes and looked up who it was
SHOULD have!! She was BRILLIANT!! i never imagined she could pull that off from watching the X-Files
It's totally up there with Meryl streep perfomance.
meryl was garbo honey, bow down to GA @@Luiseut59
That's Gillian Anderson?
Excuse me while I take a moment to add a name to the list of actors who inhabit a role so well that you can't recognize the actor but intimately know who they are portraying.
Damn. The voice, the intonation. Gillian absolutely killed it.
I would have been so terrified to take that role after Meryl but she was amazing. Im no fan of her politics but she was not called the iron lady lightly.
This was extraordinary!!!
Gillian Anderson in my unpopular opinion here did a better job at playing Margaret, Thatcher than did Meryl Streep look I love Meryl Streep but this woman has so much more of an emotional range with this character. She was able to make Margaret Thatcher really come to life not only that but to make her feel out of place.
She did a better job than Thatcher
But not like Steve Nallon.
You're absolutely right. Streep stunk
Nah. This is just better written role.
Lol no. Just no. She didn't look like Thatcher, she didn't sound like Thatcher, and, most obviously, she didn't act like Thatcher. Gillian should have stuck to chasing aliens - at least she did that halfway convincingly.
This is simply a masterclass in acting by two superb actresses, truly incredible job ✌️
Who cares? So irrelevant in this exchange
@@tybaltyrant1 Highly relevant. The power play and the tension are palpable.
It's the writing.
@@Sirharryflash82 Well said. It's the writing and the lights and the chemistry and the director and... well I guess it all comes together 😅😅🎉🎉
oh yes. I oversee masterclasses everyday and I can tell you this is a masterclass. Truly cheese.
"Who is the senior?"
"I am"
"And who do you think will outlive the other?"
"..."
"the one who works less, Ma'am"
@@secretmagic331 Which is why we should all aim to work less and not force each other to work more to build our "character". What good is character and independence if you work yourself to death before enjoying it? 😅 I remember reading that when Thatcher died, the most played song in England was ding dong the witch is dead 🤣
@@Tony-Andersonthatcher was great. Made britain much better..
as far as ur comment thi it reminds me of when ginsburg said she would outlast trump. She croaked lmao, now conservatives own the court in america for the next generation 😂
@@Tony-AndersonPeople with daddy's money would disagree.
The crestfallen look on "the Queen's" face said it all. Not entirely used to debating with someone with ready answers.
"No one remembers the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions, he had money as well"
Damn, that's cold blooded
But right...;)
Thing is I never knrw he had money, I honestly just thought the story was about a man helping another man he wasn't supposed to help....something about one being a Getile or something like that
@@TheOblake2The genius of the parable is that Samaritans were looked down upon by the Jews at the time; they were thought of us “half-breeds.” So the phrase “Good Samaritan” was essentially an oxymoron. But Jesus makes a Samaritan the hero of the story and just about everyone else a villain for refusing to help. The story isn’t really about the Samaritan at all, it was to make a larger point to the disciples about what really matters - not where someone comes from but by how they choose to live their life and how they treat others. All of that said…yes, he did also have money. :)
Maybe a better way to put it (and more sympathetic sounding) is: He had the ability as well. In case a person is helped by material goods, yes, that ability is derived from money, as was the case in the parable of the good Samaritan.
And I think it's absolutely right, before you can help others, you need to make sure you have the means to help. It sthe first rule emergency responders learn: Care for your own safety first, or you will become an emergency yourself. You need a functioning body to help. Same with the economy: If your economy runs badly, no social program will save the poor because you cannot pay for any social programs
@@An0niem4 thats actually a great point. I actually reread the parable of the good samaritan particularly the part that apart from mending the injuries of the victim and took him to an inn, he paid for the persons lodging and treatment in advance for the entire duration of his recovery and then went further to say if the money he left was short they can charge him later for the balance once he comes back.
The Samaritan DID have money, lots of it.
As someone who in the 90s, like many chaps my age, had a poster of Gillian Anderson in a revealing outfit on their wall this stirs up some confusing feelings.
😁😁😂😂😂😂😁😁
Not if you're a Tory
Well she is playing a 60-something woman here of course
Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!
Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!
Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!
I'm a Yank but I would be a Tory if I were British! And Gillian looks good naked, but she looks even better nicely dressed! That outfit and that hair are sexier than Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would have paid serious money to see the real Margaret Thatcher naked!
That is what they call GREAT WRITING. Fantastic dialogue scene👍
Love the final bit about her sons business in South Africa, as if to say “this ain’t personal… trust me…
These two actors pull you into the room and hold you there until the final curtsy. Brava to both Ms. Anderson and Ms. Colman.
Gillian Anderson channeled her inner Iron Lady to perfection. After the director yelled "Cut!", I'm sure even Olivia Coleman shouted "Bravo!"
Now this is how you read a person with class and witt! The Brits sure know how to go for the juggler with words!
Jugular, as in, the jugular vein. not 'juggler'.
"Crusty jugglers..."
@@anonUKYES!
The poor bloke ! What did the miserable chap do to deserve having been had at !?…Was he a sort of failed court jester ?
@@albertarthurparsnips5141 Benny Hill did a good bit about a Royal Jester that was beheaded by the King.
The queen's eye roll at 0:26 always makes me chuckle. It's like she's thinking, "what now?".
That eye roll was everything
I always admired the way the British talk.
99% of British don’t speak like this, but I know what you mean. The posh tend to use verbose vocabularies and condescension to intimidate their opposition.
I'm sorry to tell you most of us don't talk like this, as amazing and dignified that would be. Certainly better than going around saying things like "bruv" or "innit". It makes us seem incompetent.
oi blody el govnah wot yew on about?
Nah bro this is just London
we here in englund have always relished the way you yanks type words goodly! cheers bruv!
My God, if you turn away and listen it sends shivers through you . Like hearing Maggie in person.
The parallel being drawn here with Winston is uncanny. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Star Wars reference?
@@fertderto5594 This guy gets it.
@@connarcomstock161 What's wrong with your faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace?
For those of you who don't know, Mark Thatcher, the Iron Lady's "favorite son", had "business" in taking down native African governments with mercenary forces. He was plotting to overthrow the recently independent government of Equatorial Guinea from South Africa until he was caught.
Proper lad
Now I have to research but before I do, this south African government was the corrupt one that didn't let women choose to do well anything. Let religion run them rather than democracy and if I'm not mistaken Mandela had a run in with as well
While true, it’s misleading to say that in the context of this clip is set in 1986, when he was involved in building a university in Oman, and probably some arms deals (selling British arms to Saudi Arabia).
In 1987 he moved to the US and got involved in the car industry for a decade, before moving to South Africa because he’d fudged his US taxes.
He got involved in the coup in 2004.
I don’t think he’d had much to do with South Africa at all when this clip is set, and it implies a conflict of interest that didn’t exist (while overlooking the one that did exist with Saudi Arabia).
And in your mind that's... bad? You should talk to my buddy who is from Uganda. A lot of people in Africa wish the Europeans were still in charge because things were much better than they are now.
Based
why Otis's mom and Nick's mom are arguing?
lmao
😂😂😂 brilliant
I died laughing 💀💀💀💀
Otis' Mom and Nick's Mom would probably have a grand time together. They each had failed marriages to men who weren't the greatest Dad's....
You can’t see Agent Scully here, not even one bit. That’s a mark of a good actor, defined by the role, not by their own image.
she's great, but the makeup department, the costume, the props, the location - they are fundamental to the performance.
The problem with people who went through a Cinderella story is that they think everyone else can do the same. The reality is that for every one person that makes it, there are a thousand who do not. It is not just work but be lucky to get an opportunity and see it for what it is. The poor will always be with us or there would be no one rich.
It's that dissmisal of the 'really?' That gets me...she was just saying she likes the Queens compassion because it's the right thing to say.
It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money. The government should provide everyone with everything they need all the time, thats compassion. But the world doesn't work like that. You need to rob Peter to pay Paul, and Her Majesty in this case, as compassionate as she was, was not the one getting robbed.
@@bengoacher4455 It reminds me of a show called The Gold (2023), set in the '80s, it lauds the independent financial spirit of the time including how so many of low-birth could rise up whilst attempting to criticise that very idea. It confused me.
@@bengoacher4455 it's a shame how greedy society has become since the deregulated and predatory capitalism of the '80s. conservatives like the pretend that it simply has to be this way. how coincidental. it has to be the way that allows the rich to extract record profits, and the poor to continue to be miserable. all the while they forget that there is very little point in having an organised society at all if it is necessary that it fails a significant portion when it comes to basics like owning a home, access to dentistry etc. these are all things that profit comes before. what a hellscape
Love the Queen's eye roll 😅
Epic
Incredible, Gillian even sounds like her!
Go Gillian! Phenomenal job right thr, very believable. 🎉👏👏👏👏👏
This is what too many outside Britain don't understand, the monarch only has power in theory, in practice they have none. The Prime Minister is elected by the people, they have a mandate, the monarch does not.
Alas it was also a lesson Thatcher ultimately forgot with the Poll Tax. She began to think of herself as untouchable, like a monarch. Lost public support and was booted out.
I've watched this way too many times but I still can't get enough! Brilliant acting!
What a two great actresses 🎉
No, one’s a great actress and the other one tries to be
Could watch these two bounce off each other all year. Fabulous performances.
Gillian anderson nailed it as thatcher
So many differences of opinions however the acting was very professional to have such a response
My favorite scene ever.😍😍😍😍
Let us not forget
Spot thinking of 5 amazing performances: Tom Hanks in Gump; Gary Oldham in Darkest Hour; Bruno Ganz in Downfall; R Fienes in the List and Ms Anderson here in The Crown.
Is Schindler's list actually referred to as "the list"? I find it so lazy
@@dariusus9870 I found it so lazy that you didn’t capitalize the word “list” following the word “ Schindler’s”.
@@James7977-ge3oi Should it be capitalized? It makes no sense to capitalize a regular noun. I didn't say you're lazy though but you got triggered like a little girl. No wonder you wrote "the list". Do you also listen to "the mode?" with a capital M of course.
@@dariusus9870…Depeche Mode?
I found his whole list lazy as all are White!
Lmao the eye roll at 0:27 XD
It's the eye roll for me
Damn, what a verbal smackdown
brilliant
This show has some of the best acting I've ever seen.
🤭.
If this interaction was just a few centuries earlier, someone would’ve lost his head. Actually, many would’ve lost their heads.
And it happened both ways. King Charles I lost his. Countless others who defied the sovereign lost theirs
I could barely tell that was Gillian Anderson. I found out in the comments holy cow she’s good
The power, and the tension of this two..
Boy, those two did not get along, did they? It's interesting that this was the day before Andy and Fergie's wedding. I was in London that day, and the next day I was in the crowd outside the palace to cheer them on and receive the royal waves.
"Receive royal waves???? Do You hear yourself?!"
I remember their wedding as a week day , got home from school and my grandparents were at our house watching the wedding .
@@CaliToTheCrowdRoyal waves don’t sound too bad
Stop taking this as a documentary. This scene is purely imagined. Absolutely nobody knows what they discussed since there was noone else in the room.
They disagreed on a lot, but there was mutual respect.
Its really hard to maintain your position as a calm one infront of such annoying people... Good job olivia Coleman 😂
Loved this series.
Who is the senior? I am. Mic drop Lady PM
Don't quip with someone who is well-read and prepared. Olivia's character is obviously used to ruling over everyone.
And Thatcher made her WAIT for it too :P
Your majesty
Damn that read from Gillian…….chef’s kiss😘
It was superb acting....
I wonder if this conversation had ever take place!
That is some great acting!
You might be the figurehead, But I'm the head figure.
There obviously is a power play in play here...
Gillian Anderson was absolutely breathtaking in her portrayal of Margaret Thatcher. I was even more impressed by her performance in "The Crown", than by Meryl Streep's performance in "The Iron Lady".
She sounded like she needed an inhaler. Horrid
Amazing acting - the voice and the stare is almost a replica of the original model.
Omg for one moment I thought that Margaret Thatcher was alive 😮
She's brilliant
That was not Gillian Anderson. That was Margaret Thatcher.
Very well acted.
how could they remember all those long powerful lines....
It should be borne in mind this is not one take.
They avoid mindlessly scrolling through You Tube and Facebook...
@@johnnotrealname8168 For all the money these actors are making they probably have learned how to memorize Webster's Dictionary by now. LoL 😂
This is a good show, watch it
Maaaaaaaaargarrrrrrrrrrrrettttttttt! I just ADORE you!!!!!!!!!!!
So this was 22nd July 1986
wisdom and wealth are two different kettle of fish
Well that all worked out well for the country, didn’t it.
Her son Mark so was corrupt.
The person who acts with probity and responsibility is a meany. It's the argument of a child.
The disdain in her parting bow. 😊
The iron lady
Britain needs another Maggie in the absence of statesmen leadership.
Thatcher was right here, ultimately. The sovereign does not have the right to interfere with the people’s government. Was fun to watch this exchange b/w two giants
Very true. This was one of the Queen’s few missteps.
I heard from somewhere she actually didn't say anything about the prime Minister, It's the queen's secretary who don't like her,so he put those word in the queen's mouth,and she was very angry about that.
The off hand mention of her corrupt son’s South African dealings. Thatcher was fine with corruption where it could gain something for her children, her son.
Gillian Anderson owned that scene!!
Because she kept interrupting. How dare she.
❤ Gillian Anderson
That was a clash of two of the greatest actresses! And yes, Gillian Anderson won the Emmy because of that scene!
Brendan Fraser has an Oscar. The world has gone insane.
I love both of them
“He’s a businessman now, in the Middle East mostly and…South Africa”
“…….Of course”
The DELIVERY
My dear grand moow😅😂❤🎉
Gillian Anderson was fantastic as Margaret Thatcher her performance was fantastic she deserves the Emmy for her performance
Patience Patience Patience , time is paying dead of Encyclopedia.
So what is the impact of thatcher son being invested in South Africa? Does that mean thatcher is so cold blooded that she placed sanctions on south Africa knowing it would hurt her own child's interests? Or is it implying that she didn't support The queen's want of sanctions on south Africa bc her son had business interests there?
Liz wanted sanctions, Thatcher wanted improved business relations.
The latter.
@@fromthefountofyouth Margaret Thatcher better be burning in hell if there is one.
Gillian done very well.
Fantastic actresses both but they don’t really capture either lady. Both had far warmer personalities than comes across here. Thatcher often had a slight twinkle when she spoke. These ladies weren’t ‘iron’ they were human, mothers, and yes, leaders
This is the first of this show I've seen and WOW the performance, writing and cinematography were fantastic! That was Gillian Anderson?! - I just can't believe it being an XFiles fan that woman has expanded SO much.
I believe you meant aged.
A great insight on the Media's role in manipulating people with "unnamed sources" close to someone, when in reality they are intentional direct messages from that person.
Meghan and Harry do this all the time. Their so called sources are themselves
two oscar winner for best actress
Just Olivia
It's not a movie
@@o8byrner08 i was meaning that Just Olivia is an oscar winner, referring to the first comment
" No one would remember the good Samaritan if he only had good intentions, you see? He had money as well "
Truth
This attitude only works if all you really wanted was to be remembered. Obviously, that is all Thatcher wanted.
@@theresabowers5291That attitude works if you want to foster self-reliance and prosperity, which, in turn, leads to voluntary giving. So spare us your pop psychology armchair analysis.
@@patricksachs3655 prosperity? the entire working class disagrees mate
@@fgjsdfgjkl Argumentum as populum. And I would remind you that it was the "working class" that repeatedly voted for Thatcher in droves.
@@patricksachs3655 as if your initial statement isn't unfounded lmao. you're giving hasn't achieved anything in life so repeats fallacies he learnt on reddit-energy
2:19
EXCELLENTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"same routine for a royal can be dull "
talking without respect
I didn't realise that was Gillian Anderson.😮The mark of a good actor.👏
It shows the appealing to emotions to justify herself. This exaggerates Thatcher's disconnection with others. She was not a sociopath. She was just ideological
Following an ideology against all human reprecussions that entails makes you a sociopath.
Wow, this is superb acting by Gillian Anderson. No one has played Margaret Thatcher better than Gillian Anderson. Not to take anything away from Meryl Streep but Gillian Anderson captured Margaret Thatcher’s spirit and mannerisms with pure accuracy.
Idealized version of the crown. They were the first behind these actions.
Thatcher's father was very well off, he was the mayor of Grantham
He had made most of his money on his own by then. By 1919 he had his own grocery shop and by 1923 he opened a second one. He became major of the small town of Grantham in 1945.
He worked for it though didn’t he like his daughter.
Is he related to the Earl of Grantham? Or Lyanna Mormont of Bear Island?
Can't say I blame him - I don't like his daughter either@@vantheman1238
They were not well off.
Wow...first portrayal of Thatcher that I've found genuinely sympathetic. Gillian really is one of the finest actors of her day, comparable to the US' Meryl Streep, just stunning!
Why she was a terrible person
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq how??? She was the most devoted PM after Churchill. She placed her country before anything else. Look at Sunak, Johnson and compare them to The Iron Lady.
Why she (pm) sit down?
Because she's an insufferable and impertinent woman that fully earned the way she died: alone, forgotten even by herself, cared for by Windrush beneficiaries (who still carry the NHS today).
I think you're referring to when she stoops and says your majesty?
It's a sign of courtesy to curtsey/bow to the reigning monarch. As the PM she has to follow these protocols
Olivia Colman is a monster of an actress!
I'll bet that Lillibet wished that she had a gun at that point! 🤣
No! Lilibet may have used it!! LoL 😆😆
😂😂😂I had to hold back my laughing scream!my boyfriend will think I'm nuts it's 222 in the morning 😂😂
What a load of bollocks.
It takes a lot of confidence speaking like that to your monarch when you are the Prime Minister; I'm not sure if I admire that or not.
I would admire that because that is call speaking truth to power!
"Just 6 months between us."
"Oh, and who is the senior?"
"... I am."
Her timing exuded authority.
You could admire it if it wasnt Thatcher doing it. She was called the wicked witch for a reason.
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG There was no truth coming from Thatcher.
Would have been more powerful if she wasnt wrong
None of them were so cute, ever. Makes me think of Golda Meir impersonated by Ingrid Bergman.
Gillian is a great actor if she can make me hate her as much as the real Thatcher. Brilliant.
Who is the senior..I am...I don't know of any Prime Minister who divided the nation like Thatcher.
And it was clear that the long overdue things she did WOULD be divisive and painful in the short run.. which is why nobody before her had the courage to step up and DO it and take the years-long blast of furious intensely personal hatred. Thatcher had more ...guts... than the entire hundreds or thousands-strong political establishment put together. And she was vindicated by Labour not undoing what she did but instead just accepting it and moving forward