Spider-Man: No Way Home (Kinda) Fixed MCU Spider-Man
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Hello there
Been waiting for your thoughts on this
Great video man
What did you think about Daredevil's appearance? I know you have some thoughts on that since...well...his show was a masterpiece in every conceivable way.
His entire place in the mcu was his origin story
The most stylish shot was after Mays death and Peter is just watching the billboard play JJ’s show. Absolutely on of the best MCU scenes in a hot minute IMO.
Yup. It looked so beautiful with those vibrant colors and camera pan.
I dont like Jon Watts (AT ALL), but that shot was incredible, it reminded me of what Stan Lee said years ago: "Spiderman's worst enemy isnt the Green Goblin or Doc Ock, is Jonah Jameson"
I love that scene so much.
So beautiful and it's so true to Spider-Man's character!
It felt almost like something out of blade runner
@@Jose-se9pu Jon Watts isn’t the only problem. It’s the lack of allowance he’s given to freely bring his vision to life because of the MCU standard that holds him and every other MCU director back.
When you look at the "Home" Trilogy as sort of an elongated origin of Spider-Man, it makes more sense. Peter had to go through all of this stuff to fully become the hero we know him to be in other comic and film iterations. Now his story as a Spider-MAN can officially begin.
Exactly. The homecoming trilogy is his origin story. Each film he learns a different lesson in becoming a hero. And it makes it that much harder here when he has to give up everything because we got to see him actually work to get those things. And then bam he has to lose them.
That's what I really love about this movie
It’s called an arc
I agree, I just think it wasn’t needed
Yea that’s fine and all… but then remember how ppl complained man of steel was gonna do that. And they botched on synder
Tobey and Andrew being introduced in an apartment instead of in a flashy action scene is the most Spider-Man intro to me. Spider-Man is your friendly neighborhood superhero.
True.
Yeah I know
yeah fax
Ned's grandma had as much screentime as Tobey and Andrew, T & A going through a portal to a parallel universe is the most apeshit thing that ever happened to them, yet they were calm & chill & explaining themselves to MJ, that scene is WRONG my dude
@@princepeachfuzz ikr
The "non epic" reveal of Andrew and Tobey is actually better than people make it out to be. The core of Spider-Man isn't what he can do himself, but what he can do to inspire others to hope again.
And after Tom has lost his Aunt May, his trust, his peace, what better way for him to hope again, by meeting other Spider-Men that also lost everything. It's humble.
I agree
That's exactly how I felt, it was actually more thematically appropriate in my opinion.
can you show which part of the vid that is. im too lazy to watch the whole thing. tq in advance
@@nasryukendo1535 You mean the part where he's talking about the reveal?
@@Liquidruby5 yea the part where he mentions about the “non-epic” reveal
That scene where Peter is punching the ever loving shit out of Goblin and he just keeps smiling is worth the price of admission by itself.
I was kind of disappointed there was no visible damage on Norman while peter was punching him.
You have to take two things into account: this version of Peter not only restrains himself, he doesnt punch people, in this scene he is not only punching someone, that someone is laughing back, and you see just how confused Peter is, this is not Thanos, this is a human being, and he is enjoying a beating, a beating he is giving him with the super strength he never uses against other people.
While Dafoe steals the scene (and makes you wonder what the fuck where they thinking when they casted Jared Leto as an old Joker), Tom''s confused expresion while seeing such chaotic nature is also pretty good.
@@ibrahimalee23 Tobey's beating of him in S1 2002 is much simpler but at the same time more visceral. Maybe that's the point, Tobey is the strongest Spider-Man out of all three.
@@clint5406 wrong
@@clint5406 true
Wish you would've talked more about how insane Willem Dafoe was in this movie. He did a fantastic job
He only focuses on the negatives because that’s what gets him views
Dafoe was a fucking unit in this film. All other villains were mostly cgi and didn't feel that scary. Goblin was raw and brutal, because most stunts were practical and Dafoe, obviously, did it in person. 20 years, yet he as awesome as he always was
@@dumonga9594 facts
@@dumonga9594 He can’t contain it, it’s self-sustaining now
@@dumonga9594 Generally, when providing criticism, you focus on what can be improved, rather than what is obviously solid.
One thing I’m personally so happy about after finally getting to see the movie, is that they avoided the probably very high temptation to have the spider-men fight each other, criticise each other and stuff before finally reconciling and working together (Avengers style) it was really heartwarming to see them treat each other like family, caring about each other, show warmth and compassion towards one another. Made me fall in love with the characters more and realise why spider-man is amazing
Disagree with the other two appearing in a “non-epic” way. They appeared in the most humble of ways, like a great superhero who like us is also an everyman. He’s not Superman, he’s not Iron Man, he’s Spider-Man. Spider-Man is a hero unlike any other, there’s many reasons why he’s so beloved, why he’s recognized across the world. The feeling of them I had coming in like that was unparalleled, they got to be in the movie for a much longer time than I expected and than what would’ve happened if they just appeared all “epic like” in the final fight out of nowhere for a few minutes
So instead they let them be conjured by some kid with Strange's ring? Despite it taking the worlds top surgeon and months of training just to make a circle? Seems like an easier cop out.
@@346Yoman Yes because Ned is a humble person and believes immediately in magic, remember how skeptical and egotistical Strange was for the longest time? There’s a difference there, belief can play a huge part in anything. Not to mention that Tobey and Andrew had an awesomely humble entrance, very unique compared to the flashy superheroes. Remember how Spider-Man can relate to all of us almost as if he’s like an everyman?
@@NESShadows NO WAY HOME destroyed dr strange character arc for me. He has always been adamant about not using his magical abilities to impact the fate of the universe. Yet he used spell that works on a multiverse level for peter. I can understand that was because they were friends and strange wanted to help him. But why the hell did he changed conditions of the spell according to Peter like he was taking orders from him. He could have simply used the spell without any conditions or could have simply stopped using the spell to make peter understand what will happen if something goes wrong. They made him lose to Spiderman especially in the mirror dimension where he is in CONTROL using "MATH". Even though he has 2 PHd's and is a doctor. WOW! And in top of that they made ned easily open a portal when it took strange many weeks of harsh training to accomplish. If you remember Dr strange movie the sorcerers have to extract energy from other dimensions to summon shield , swords , portal ,etc it's not as easy as wearing the sling ring and making a wish. So they basically made a clown out of the master of mystic arts and disrespected the whole concept of mystic arts. Hopefully they redeem him in the upcoming sequel😶🙏
@@imposter6952 Wow you don’t get it do you? “We’ve used it for a lot less” Strange said. He sees Peter wanting to help others over himself. What did Strange learn in his movie? “It’s not about you.” Then what else does Strange say? “Wong, hasn’t he been through enough?” And then he didn’t just change the spell for Peter, he changed it for himself an extra time so he wouldn’t forget Peter. I don’t know if you ever finished high school and went to college but math is considered a perfect language. One mistake and the whole thing falls apart, when done right it cannot he disproven. Peter used his impressively high IQ (he’s smarter than Strange in academics as compared to the profession of being a surgeon since Strange went to a focused degree in college while Peter is still in high school) and quick thinking to use the perfect mathematic principles with his webbing to trap Strange who wasn’t expecting it so it caught him off guard. Strange without using his powers is basically just a guy unless he uses a protection spell which he didn’t because he and Peter were not trying to kill each other. Strange’s focus was on the box over everything. And Ned being able to open up portals makes a bit of sense when you consider that Ned is a humble person and believes in magic unlike Strange in the first movie who was arrogant and stubborn to a fault and couldn’t accept supernatural things for a long time. They say that the power of belief and determination triumph over those who only have interest. Belief in the mystical arts from the get go seems like a key factor in being able to perform. I’m not saying Strange didn’t struggle but it was also a mental battle with himself, which culminates in his arc when he learns from the Ancient One “It’s not all about you”
@@NESShadows You don't get it do you?? Ned being able to use mystic arts doesn't make any sense at all. You should definitely rewatch dr strange movie or atleast the part where the ancient one explains him how mystic arts works ,you will understand why it bugs me. There's a lot to it and just being humble and having belief in magic is not sufficient. Its like telling you know whole concepts of geometry just because your calculation speed is good. Ned easily opening portals just by wearing a sling ring and making a wish to open portals just disrespected all sorcerers working hard in kamar taj , the origin of Dr. stange and the whole concept Of mystic arts. I already told you that i am ok with dr.strange using his magical abilities to help peter BUT him altering the conditions of the spell just bcoz peter asked him to doesn't make sense coz true strange would never put the whole universe in danger just to fix Peter's problems in which strange had no part to play. Peter created those problems in his life ,not strange and yet he decided to help him bcoz 'ITS NOT ABOUT YOU" isn't that enough , why did they destroyed his character by making him put the whole universe at risk ? As you mentioned , the message given by ancient one "It's not about you" is violated in this movie bcoz strange putting the whole universe in danger for solving his friends problem doesn't make any sense.
The thing is ,the movie was fun to watch but the mistakes and number of plotholes in this movies has disappointed me in some manner
What makes the ending of this movie so good is not just that we now have classic Peter Parker in his shitty apartment, struggling to pay rent, feeling lonely, making his own suit, etc. while being being a superhero, but that unlike other iterations of Spider-Man, THIS Peter wasn't just given a bad hand in life-he actively CHOSE it. For the good of the world, he CHOSE to give up his friends and mentors, CHOSE to give up Stark tech and money, CHOSE to give up his bright future. He sacrificed everything that made him the cool Iron Man Jr. and chose to be classic Spider-Man instead. That, to me, makes this one of the most faithful depictions of the heart of Spider-Man we've ever gotten onscreen, even with all the crazy shit thrown in.
The ending just made me so happy for the possibilities. It’s so good !
Not only that, but I think the light hearted nature of the last two films makes this decision so much more devastating and impactful. I also think this film elevates the other two now that we see the complete arc!
He also CHOSE not to try and make Ned and Mj remember him either, because he didn't want them to be roped into his own mess and have their lives be in danger just by knowing him.
Well, actually, in the comics Peter first attains his powers, he becomes a celebrity and uses his powers selfishly.
It's only after he loses Uncle Ben that he finds the motivation to be selfless. Uncle Ben's death is what births the Peter Parker who makes sacrifices to do the right thing. Losing Ben grows Peter's heart.
In other words, in the comics, Spider-man is born first, then Peter Parker follows afterwards.
On the other hand, Holland's Peter Parker is already a selfless person. Not comic accurate, definitely not realistic, but there's still a lot to be liked about Holland's Parker.
In the MCU movies, the goodness in Peter Parker has always existed, just as the goodness in Ben Parker has always existed. But he doesn't really become Spider-man until he sacrifices the Iron Man tech and the relationships that supported him, and continues to overcome all ordeals that silently discourage him from doing the right thing.
In other words, MCU Peter Parker had no problem doing the right thing, but of course he would do the right thing, because doing the right thing was never a challenge for MCU Spidey. He never had to sacrifice anything concrete or permanent until this movie.
@@youtubeviolatedme7123 Did you see FFH? This comment violated me.
You know what?
I'm glad the Andrew and Tobey's intro was actually underplayed and their first meeting with Tom was not in a "hey we're here to rescue you from the villain!!!" but were rather supporting him when he was in his lowest emotional point.
That is a thousand times better than Tobey swinging and yelling "pizza time"
The internet and all the memes exaggerated it to death, I'm glad they showed up in the way that they did too. :')
Yeah it’s the most spider man thing to have them show up in some grandma’s house. Plus it was cool to have some Filipino rep in that scene
Most of it didn't happen that way because tobey maguire actually didn't want to take the spotlight for Tom holland, look it up , he didn't want to over shine him so let's thanks tobey maguire for that.
I don't know about that. Him saying Pizza Time after entering the portal with a pizza box would've been good!
@@dreypez a blooper would be nice. But you know, sometimes we do have to get serious too.
i swear this man visited a movie theater from an alternate dimension to watch this movie.
I know
The problem with HiTop films that I've observed for a while now. He doesn't review movies. He compares the movies to his expectations and ideas. And anything that contradicts that and his precious Raimi trilogy "lacks vision".
@Toad Is Forgotten you are everywhere in defence. .....are you Hitop ??
@Toad Is Forgotten If you’re gonna use all caps for something as petty as that, you’re in no position to call someone immature.
@Toad Is Forgotten you really calling others a child when you said that anything that isnt 'Raimi' movies level of enjoyment is objectively bad or mediocre at best which literally screams "this isnt the flavour I asked for therefore I dont like it" mentality in hopes of getting exactly what you want.
It's almost like people usually criticize something by explaining how to do it better by using example
@@rockstar-made You better not treat your children that way if you ever decide to have some.
I think the scene in Civil War where Tony refers to Peter as "Spiderboy" held a bit more implications for what they were going for with MCU Spiderman than initially thought. Take it a bit further with Peter replying with "It's Spider-Man" followed by Tony saying "Not in that onesie you're not". It makes the fact that Peter made himself a brand new suit at the end of this movie feel like everything came full circle. His boy years are over. He is now truly Spider-Man.
Well said
You are so right
Completely agree.
So a big waste of time thye couldve done that in 1 movie lol
@@renatoarauz7784 You referring to the spider boy thing as one movie? If so then yeah I getcha. Far From Home didn't really need to exist, but it does. If you're talking about the number of films it takes to become spider-MAN instead then it did take one film. This film.
Lots of things in No Way Home mirror the other two Spideys' origins and the timing is in a good spot in-universe as well. Tobey's Peter was in his Senior year of highschool and graduates during his first movie. Tom's Peter is in the second semester of his Senior year of highschool and is working on getting his GED at the end of NWH. Andrew's Spidey got a monster head start and graduated a whole movie after becoming Spider-Man. Talking strictly age, there was no time wasted whatsoever. And talking real world time, if anything, Tom's spidey showed up too soon. Amazing 2 was just under 2 years removed when the MCU gave us Tom on the big screen.
Would it have been nice to get a movie like this sooner? Absolutely. But it's here now and that extra movie helps make what Tom's Peter goes through in NWH hit a bit harder. We get to watch an established child get his whole world flipped upside down after 5 movies/real years of being fairly happy-go-lucky in the face of catastrophe.
I can't believe that you ignored the Goblin and his crazy dynamic with Tom.
"I’ve watched you from deep behind Norman’s cowardly eyes, struggling to have everything you want, while the world tries to make you choose. Gods don’t have to choose. We take."
"Strong enough to have it all....to weak to take it."
“He got it from you! That pathetic sickness!"
“Your weakness is morality, It’s choking you, can you feel it?”
"Peter, no good deed goes unpunished. I will fix you. You will thank me later."
"Attaboy."
THE GOBLIN HAS THE BEST LINES IN THIS MOVIES.
Everything he did was to push Spider-Man into becoming what he is, a cold killer (that's the reason why he killed the poor May ç__ç). The way Goblin laughs at Peter when he's punching his face was some shit. He wants Peter to be violent, he wants Peter to kill him, and that only makes him even happier.
Even in their final fight, Goblin knew he couldn't take on an enraged Spider-Man so he goaded him to take him down and mess him up one last time for good.
Best part of the movie.
Defoe killed it as Goblin. I'm bummed he rarely brought him up at all.
@@thespectaculargamernerd8114 He was too busy desperately looking for things to criticize. Man got literally everything he wanted but is still too fragile to admit that an MCU Spider-Man movie did things he liked.
@@gabrielfarnsworth4666 I get what he disliked but I barely know what he liked from the movie or what fixed MCU Spider-Man, it was 90 percent talking about the CGI and shots. What about the shots that worked?
Duh he’s not gonna talk about stuff that’s good, his whole brand his hating on Mcu spidey
Tbh he missed all the good parts of movie
Used to like this guy because he perfectly explained why I love Spider-Man 2 so much. It's still my favorite Spidey and he nailed why it works.
But the way he just cannot allow himself to give MCU Spidey an overall positive even when it did everything that he wanted from Far From Home... Lying about / misconstruing plot points and Peter's motivation... Putting it under TASM2 on his personal tier list...
This man has an irrational hate boner for MCU Spidey at this point and he will not see through it. He seems to actively embrace it. Such a shame to see one of your favorite content creators act like this.
So true....he's do desperate.
It's a fucking movie about a comic book character.
Get over yourselves
@@RJ_Productions316 this is a channel about comic book movie analyses with production and effort put into them.
I expect good comic book movie analyses.
@@TheDeadmanstrolling sounds like you want an analysis that aligns with your opinion
@@ApexVenator I want an analysis that's not hypocritical compared to what he said he wants.
I was really worried this movie was going to be a complete mess that had way too many characters and plots and relied too heavily on cheap nostalgia. But I’m pleased to say I’m genuinely impressed by how the film makers handled this project. No it’s not perfect, but considering what they had to accomplish in a single movie, it’s a miracle this movie turned out as good as it is. Some of the emotional resonance is definitely held up by the past Spider-Man films providing some context for the “new” MCU characters, but it wasn’t overused. So excited to see what they can now do with Peter
It's more like a fun ride, then a good movie
@@VerticlSpoon facts
@@VerticlSpoonenjoyable movie for sure
Honestly I think it’s genius that they used each veteran Spider-Man to show Toms Spider the core values of the character. Andrew shows that no matter how hard he tries he *can’t save everyone* and will always *experience loss* even if no one remembers him. Toby shows that he must push past the pain both physical and emotional, and *always show mercy* even if the person you’re fighting doesn’t truly deserve it, and in doing that *always use his powers RESPONSIBLY* no matter what happens. I also personally think that it gives this Peter some closure that he know there are people somewhere out there that know exactly what he’s going through, so he’s (in a sense) not completely alone in his heroic suffering.
Toby also shows that, doing the right thing doesn't always gives you a reward and doing the right thing in itself is a selfless act as he was stabbed right after stopping Tom from killing the goblin.
Exactly
damn you really like using *bold*
@@e.a.7749 Quite a *bold* move, if I do say so myself
@@e.a.7749 I feel that it adds effect when reading something important.
This film was beautiful. Andrew’s Peter becoming darker because of Gwen’s death is OUTSTANDING, him looking at Peter and MJ with a heartbroken look before being reminded by Tobey that he can find love again is brilliant.
I love the fact that “Great Power, comes Great Responsibility” connects the Peter’s just as much as their names and their masks.
Them talking about their own unique individual heartbreaks, comparing villains and Tobey and Andrew being AWFUL partners because they aren’t used to it and that’s when Holland’s Spider-Man to me establishes himself with this one moment as a different Spider-Man by becoming a leader and making them work together successfully as a team because he was an Avenger and learnt how to work in a team quickly.
The ending to this film is perfect and genuinely got me so excited for the future. An apartment, a homemade suit that looks and feels like Spider-Man, a fun swing through New York and a Spider-Boy being replaced by the Spider-Man. Peter leaving Ned and MJ after he made the world forget who Peter Parker is so he can let them live a happy life (something he always wanted for them) is perfect and a great ending to the trilogy, I expect to see them in Iron Heart as she is in MIT with them.
And yes, I want to see TASM 3.
This film never said which Spider-Man was better, it let them have conversations about their own failures and things they need to improve or have improved on. This film showed (on purpose) what Spider-Man should and shouldn’t be. Nostalgia was there but it was to help the story and make it fresh and unique.
I still think this Peter Parker is lacking that iconic swinging sequence in terms of it looking good visually. I loved the ending but I felt like it didn’t show off the suit well like I felt like it wanted to do. I’m excited for Freshmen Year on Disney Plus and Spider-Man 4 in the MCU and HOPEFULLY TASM3 in the future.
EDIT: by the way, the shot of Peter in the rain with JJJ talking on the big screen is some of the best cinematography the MCU has seen since Phase 1 and the best cinematography in a Spider-Man film since TASM 2. It was beautiful and felt like a different film almost. I wish we got more of those stunning visuals honestly.
The best swinging scene we've gotten from Watts is when he's going to the woods face electro in the sunset
@@matheusjezini maybe your right. That was fine but I still felt like I was watching him swing instead of feeling like I was swinging with him if you get what I mean? My problem with the end swing (not the scene itself or what it represented I thought it was all perfect) is he sometimes he swings out of the camera shot and instead of the camera going to him it waits until he comes back down to camera level. I do wish we got something similar to the Raimi swings because Spider-Man swinging around New York in Christmas with all the lights and snow should be a beautiful and incredible shot but instead I was just going “what a beautiful ending, I think that suits perfect, I can’t tell though because I CAN’T SEE IT😂😂”
@@liamhemstock2286 My personal favorites are TASM swinging scenes. You really feel the freedom, the satisfaction factor is turned up to 11 and you feel the gravity. I love it
@@matheusjezini they nailed it in TASM 2. I do wish they did more of with the first person swinging scene. It was cut up into small chunks but I wish it was like a 30 second no cut scene of him swinging around all in first person because then you would be actually felt like you were swinging AS Spider-Man rather then WITH Spider-Man. I hope if they do TASM 3 (or just the next MCU Spider-Man 4) they do a one take swinging first person scene. That would be incredible
@@liamhemstock2286 It still wasn't as good as BvS. But because BvS wasn't Disney the critics made it a flop. Funny how Antman gets like 90% on Rotten tomatoes but no one remembers the film and BvS is talked about even today but gets like 24%
I’ve been thinking about MCU Peter’s journey a lot and the conclusion that I’ve come to is that, considering this is the first Peter Parker that has had other super powered people by his side, they really did the best they could have with the character. Peter is just a kid when we meet him in Civil War, probably just a Sophomore or Junior in high school. Of course he’s not going to be the independent Spider-Man that we know. You could make the argument that Tobey and Andrew’s Peter worked on their own so why couldn’t Tom? Well Tobey and Andrew had to deal with the reality that they were the only ones keeping the peace. No Avengers, no Stark, nothing. But with Tom’s Spider-Man we did have the Avengers. Of course he’s going to stick by their side and learn from them. That’s why No Way Home is so beautiful, Peter realizes that he can’t stay a kid forever and eventually he’s going to have to leave everyone and start fending for himself. Seeing Tobey and Andrew only solidifies that fact. And that’s the moment where he truly becomes Spider-MAN. I wouldn’t say that No Way Home “fixed” the MCU Spider-Man, I would say that No Way Home “finished” the origin story of the MCU Spider-Man
This was exactly my thoughts thank you
Technically this is far from the first time Peter's been born into a world with other superheroes. By the time Spider-Man was introduced in the comics, the Fantastic Four had already been around for about a year and were actually pretty instrumental to his early years, as he grew up being inspired by them and even attempted to join them unsuccessfully. The F4 even consider him like an extended family member now
Trust me they could’ve done much more with the character than a live action Spider-Verse if it wasn’t solely made to sell toys.
I really disagree. This isn't the best they could do with Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man. Look, personally to me, the problem isn't just Peter/Spider-Man idolizing the Avengers and learning from them, the problem is that the (MCU) Spider-Man films are comedic-toned. Don't get me wrong, I like a comedic take as well and I did enjoy the films, but it takes away realism from the story. It contradicts with the Spider-Man that I and many others idolize. Being superhero has consequences. Your family gets in danger, you can't keep up with your life, relationship problems, a possible *identity crisis* , etc. There's nothing like that in those films. Take an example, in Spider-Man Far From Home, it really was unbelievable to me that nobody (Peter's friends/schoolmates and Happy and Fury/Talos) died when Beck even had full control of thousands of drones of Stark Industries (and Ned and MJ were to be killed by him as they knew his secret that he is not a hero). In fact, even when MJ hits a drone with, I guess halberd, the drone starts spinning speedly firing bullets 360⁰; but yeah no one gets shot. Neither Happy who juuust survived from getting shot while saying "How does Cap do that?" Like, how much coincidents can there really be? There were like 4-5 people there and EVERYONE survives! The previous Spider-Man franchises did handle these things better, uncle Ben dies in Spider-Man, Harry in Spider-Man 3 and Gwen in the Amazing Spider-Man 2.
And the characters feel very unrealistic too, due to the way they act for comedic sake. Once again take the final act of Far From Home. Flash Thompson is 'recording' or taking pictures via his cellphone at a time when he is about to get killed. What is this, who does that? Again, it works great as a comedic scene, but is unrealistic. A serious story like that where Mysterio gets access to MANY Stark Industries' drones, gets ruined due to the direction (nobody dies and the jokes are still on). Are you expecting me to consider Mysterio a threat, who can't even kill a bunch of normal kids (plus an adult)?
Also about aunt May, she had been quite supportive of Peter being Spider-Man, not because she feels it's good to fight for people (in pre-No Way Home films), but because she thinks her nephew is cool. Plus, she also doesn't worry about him contrary to Marvel's Spider-Man (2018) game where she confirms she did worry yet was proud of who Peter was.
And finally coming to the 'best Marvel movie of all time': Spider-Man No Way Home. People say there're lots of consequences in this film, but I think there are just a couple of 'em. First off, the world knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man, so what do you think should happen to him? A possible arrest till the court could convict him guilty, attacks on the people close to him, attack on Peter himself. Who knows crime lords (like Tombstone, Wilson Fisk, etc.) may cleverly take advantage of the situation and propose some offers to Spider-Man if he agrees to do what they say. Maybe due to his secret identity gone, it leads to a social boycott and it becomes difficult from him and his aunt to earn money. Oh yeah, no money problems allowed in the MCU, right? So yeah, there is no real consequence out his identity being public. How could even the people around him be so safe while he is down hunting bad guys like Doc Ock on the bridge? In the Civil War comic, aunt May dies as Spidey's villains find out who he really is after Tony persuades him to give up his secret identity (if you're gonna remind me of aunt May dying in No Way Home, let me tell you that it had nothing to do with the secret identity thingy but with Peter trying to cure the multiverse villains who eventually betray him). The only consequence *out of Spider-Man's identity* is that he and his friends couldn't get into the MIT. Oh, sorry, they will eventually get in.
Summing it up, the only consequence in No Way Home has been Peter losing aunt May, and everybody forgetting him as if he never existed leading to separation from his friends. There's just SO MUCH you could do with Spider-Man's identity reveal, but NO, they did nothing. Honestly, Spidey was never unmasked before so it could've been a great time to tell the story with realism: how a kid from Queens suddenly is under pressure and force, exposed to attack from many criminals, villains and even the civilians whom he faithfully rescues, just after the world figures out who Spider-Man is! This plot is so fascinating, but the movie overlooked it and focused more on the spider-verse instead. Imagine how more impactful Tobey and Andrew's conversation with Tom on the rooftop could've been if Tom had suffered the consequences of being the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man. It would hit harder considering that suddenly Tom's Peter's life turns *upside-down* , causing troubles and stress and pain far greater than what the older brothers of him ever did.
Anyway, so now do you see how much better the writers could have done with Spider-Man existing in the MCU alongside other Marvel heroes? What they did, wasn't at all the best.
Good thoughts.
Bro is a real life J Jonah Jameson
No Way Home is fanservice done right.
When you try and write out characters like Tobey and Andrew and realize "shit it doesn't work without them." THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW IT SERVICES THE PLOT. To me, NWH is a celebration of Spider-Man.
I love that the first interaction with MCU Peter and Tobey Peter and Andrew Peter isnt quips. Its showing comfort and understanding and coming together because THAT'S Peter Parker.
I love that they didnt have a a competition to see who's the BEST Peter Parker, rather they just connected instinctually and I LOVE THAT. It reminds me of Into the Spiderverse where rather than bicker, all the spiders came together. It just makes sense that THROUGH the Spider Sense, they'd know to trust each other.
Everything about the other two spiders was perfect. Even down to their entrances. Tobey being such a DAD to the other two, was so on point for his character. Andrew putting on a mask to focus on being Spider-Man after the death of Gwen also fits. I really wanna see TASM3 where we see a not so friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Where we see him at his lowest. People say his arc finished after catching MJ. No no no. His is just beginning.
And Tobey stopping Tom from murdering Goblin I ADORE that they said NOTHING yet YOU KNOW what each actor is conveying. You can feel EVERY OUCNE of rage and pain from Tom and EVERY OUNCE of compassion and understanding from Tobey. This movie is what I didn't know MCU Spider-Man needed. But now that we have it....It makes me love MCU Peter even more than I already did. And I'm so excited to see where his future swings next.
Also the use of his spider sense in this film.....chefs kiss. The apartment scene is top tier MCU scenes. Few top it. The camera work was astounding.
I agree
@@didkddididj1914 this is one of those movies where the more I think about it the more I love it.
Eh they did kinda compete , they webbed eachother on sight to find out that Tobey is faster and has a stronger spidey sense . Also Andrew holds that personally when they talk about places they like to hangout and decompress at , tobey sais it’s the Chrysler building for him and Andrew sais Empire State and reminds him “ Empire State has a better view “ pretty much saying “my spot is better “ and tobey just lets it go .
I loved Andrew in this. He was so happy to be there.
@@anthonydominguez4744 I don't think the "where do you go to decompress." Was full on competition. I think it was just them kinda jabbing in good fun. "Better view."
"It does have a sweet view." Like that just shows me Tobey wouldn't ever give into the younger Peters' antics cause he's the most mature of the group. The Andrew Peter vs Tobey Peter was cute, and probably because Tobeys more honed Spider Sense kicked off. He was the one to lash out first. They both do THE EXACT SAME MOVE but Tobey gets the upper hand by webbing the web shooter. It was just a nice natural way to go "Oh yeah nah nah Tobey is the legacy character lets give him that respect." Without ragging on Tom or Andrew. Both other Spiders get standout moments. Andrew gets to save MJ. Hell Tom gives Tobey peter a run for his money when Tobey is stopping him from impaling Goblin. He nearly makes Tobeys knees buckle. That again shows me they respect all 3 Spidermen.
Hitop Films got what he wanted:
1. 3 Peter Parkers relating to each other, having different ideologies.
2. Villains' arc not getting ruined by jokes.
3. MCU Spider-Man suffering so many consequences
4. MCU Peter Parker truly swinging on his own, truly becoming the Spider-Man we wanted him to be.
5. Tobey and Andrew being an evolution of the Peters we know and love.
And still gave it 2.5/5 stars in his leterboxd
Yet he finds a way to bitch and moan about something
Like who gives a single shit about how the film was shot
He just wants reasons to complain and praise Sam Rami by shitting on the MCU
@@rubensosa1270 This is possibly his dumbest complaint.
This video makes it painfully clear that HiTop has his own vision for the movie and anything else just simply “lacks vision”. The movie doesn’t lack vision your either incapable or too stubborn to admit that it’s been there since homecoming. There was a clear plan that ended with this trilogy being a sort of origin story throughout. You want him to suffer but only in the ways it seems we’ve seen before.
the film pretty much gave what he wanted from his previous video regarding NWH its clear that he has bias on Tom's spiderman and this is coming from a guy who still prefers andrew and Tobeys
There most definitely not a solid plan for the spidey trilogy which is why this film did so much repair work and heavy lifting
Can’t rly say the “magic” was there all along Bc it definitely wasn’t lol it just took them longer then usual to finally find the true craft of a Spider-Man movie. And 2 films later they finally did it
HiTop Films when the new Spider-Man movie script doesn't copy the original Raimi trilogy word for word:
@@whyhe11othere he said he still likes the movie, but his biggest criticisms is visually, which is literally true, and the writers issues, you guys say a bunch of shit as if he didnt watch the movie and then comment as if you didnt watch the video
The key to a good spider man movie is to focus on the man just as much as the spider
@Erik Kemeey ???
Nah the key to a good Spider-Man is having a dead uncle on god fr fr no cap
I think a 60-40 (give or take) ratio of man-spider is more effective than 50-50, particularly for an origin story and/or first film. Raimi's first film was probably thereabouts.
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@@watchforever1724 Hi, I hope you're having a good week, and I hope you and your loved ones are doing well.
I find it strange that this Spider-Man movie is almost everything HiTop wanted. I agree that the first bit of this movie was a bit MCU-formulaic, but when Peter Parker starts putting his friends over himself, christ it just feels like an honest and genuine kid. Throughout this whole movie he puts others before himself, he makes the responsible choices and suffers the consequences for that, he suffers consequences for everything he’s done- in fact, this Peter Parker follows exactly what Aunt May told Tobey in Spider-Man 2:
“... And they give up the things they love most. Even their dreams.”
Tom follows this ideal by giving up on becoming friends with MJ & Ned because he realizes that the responsible thing is to get them out of harms way. This is obviously a movie that was trying to correct the wrong of Peter Parker, that’s why we have the Great Power line, that’s why we have Peter having his life fall to ruin just so everyone can thrive, that’s why we have a Peter Parker with his own red & blue suit, a Peter Parker who lives in a shitty apartment looking out for crime... This is why Tom Holland’s Peter Parker is TRULY Spider-Man now. But I just can’t help but see that HiTops is so pushy and picky about Marvel CGI, and I get it, I truly do, but does the CGI really ruin this heartfelt story? Does CGI really mean story- a spider-man story? I don’t think so.
Thank you. I think he just won’t like anything except the Sam Rami trilogy.
Exactly my point dude. I have no clue how this man always finds flaws in a great and beautiful movie that essentially always end up "breaking him". Does the CGI (which I agree is not the best in some scenes) really play a big part in this story of a comic accurate and responsible Peter Parker we always wished for from the MCU movies? And this movie also had some stunningly shot sequences but HiTop doesn't seem to acknowledge them anywhere. Idk man he just seems too captured by the raimi movies to even say good stuff about the mcu movies. He acts like the movie did huge injustice to the villains but that's not the case at all, the legendary villains were much more than just a couple meme dialogues brought back from old movies.
There are a couple good videos on why a lot of the points he makes are provably false, not to mention in ffh he literally says that he hated the fact that they used cgi for the mysterio trip scene when IN UNIVERSE it was cgi.
@@akhat452 In my opinion this movie makes all the other mcu Spider-Man movies a lot better. It doesn’t have to be Sam Ramis trilogy reskinned it is its own thing and showed Spider-Man grow up in a universe where the avengers are there with this version of Spider-Mans philosophy he wouldn’t just sit around while the world is falling apart he would help and this movie stripped all that away and completely rounded his character into a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. I think it was a phenomenal movie and I’m very happy with the future of Tom hollands Spider-Man
@@ManlyBog6448 if it’s not tobey reskinned it won’t work for him
The spidey sense scene in the apartment is probably the coolest interpretation of spider sense,
the tension they brought was enough to get me to the edge of my seat lol
Holy shit. That, and the Homecoming vulture drive are probably the two most anxiety inducing scene in mcu history.
I'm honestly surprised Tom's spidey sense works that way, for me it was just "Hey bro watch it" but no it literally detects bad intentions
@@jellymatsuryuka6853 I compare it to like, a panic attack. But spidey-fied.
@@Assortment54321 Yeah that Vulture car ride in Homecoming was my favorite MCU Spider-Man scene until the NWH apartment spider sense scene. Honorable mention would be Peter taking out all of the drones with his eyes closed in FFH.
No its not, not even close (imo)... Spiderman 2 spidey sense scene at the cafe with MJ and the car getting thrown through the window is damn near perfect.
this man really started making up plot points to justify not liking the movie
Yeah I know
Are you talking about how he said peters mission wasn't in empathy? Cuz if so he was meaning before peter talked to aunt may so he was actually praising it
@@bigd4wg510 That was praise?
@@bigd4wg510 lol no he wasnt
@@JohnSmith-lt1ck yeah he was meaning how aunt may talked to him and made him realise he had to save the villains instead of sending them away to die
10:37 Show’s New Aunt May being a caring parental figure while complaining she isn’t a well established caring parent.
When you were editing the video was your mindset that you chose visuals of Aunt May to line up with the topic at hand? Because you made yourself look like a fool.
7:29 literally shows one of the coolest shots in any Spider-Man movie while talking about how the movie is shot super flat, and poorly.
Boy that editing is embarrassing. This vid was embarrassingly bad. He didn’t really make arguments, or I guess he did, but he just said them, & didn’t elaborate much on them.
7:40 I don’t get why he complained about Peters being revealed at Ned’s grandparents house. Does he think they have to be revealed in like the coolest place ever? Like in a mansion, or a space ship.
Tobey walking through the portal and just casually saying hi and not wanting to scare anyone because he feels like he’s intruding is the most friendly neighborhood Spider-Man feeling you can get.
What’s wrong with that? Like seriously what’s the huge problem here HiTop that it ruined it for you? Do you seriously need it to be shot like the most epic thing ever, and be in these huge awesome mouth dropping locations to enjoy the scene? Do you just not have good attention span? When any movie that’s not Sci-if or magical fantasy, do they just make you fall asleep after 5 seconds because they’re shot in normal environments?
Hey HiTop remember all those times in the Raimi Trilogy when you’re just in normal houses and apartments. I bet you’d say that’s fine, but oh no when John Watts Spider-Man is shot in a normal looking environment oh then it’s a big problem. Yep because I guess if John Watts Spider-Man is just being the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man in his friends grandparents house it’s a problem, but not when all the times it happened in Raimi it’s totally fine.
8:22 It’s funny how you flip your view points so quickly too, like you give it a negative when you say the movie is edited for applause then complain when the movie is shot in a normal location, and not being super epic. Wow you just flipped positions real fast like so quickly with 2 statements that are not even 30 seconds apart, you freaking hypocrite.
I really wish you could just take one scene from this movie and thoroughly explain why the scene doesn’t work for 10 minutes, instead of whatever garbage this video was when I feel like I received nothing all the way through.
Good lord this video is terrible. How can anyone take you seriously when you clearly just have a huge negative bias over the John Watts Spider-Man and will find any reason to crap on him no matter how hypocritical, and stupid it makes you look. You seriously need to grow up as a film critic. This is just pathetic.
Yeah I know I disagree on the scene where tobey and Andrew appear in ned’s house cause I thought the scene was great
Amen i agree so sad, i disliked and unsubed
@@mathiasfrandsen5468 Yeah there’s better people for you to get movie advice from. HiTop is pretty low in terms of helpful movie analysis. I don’t think I was ever subbed to this guy, nor will I ever until his content gets better.
@@markusandrew3680 yeah me too
@@mathiasfrandsen5468 I think as a fan of Spider-Man, this is the most smart route to go with this character but I know this Shit head will bash the hell out of it, but if they make A Spider-Man 4 with Tobey Maguire and the movie is somehow horrible he’ll probably give it a review saying it’s a Cinematic Masterpiece.
Am I the only one that loved the opening? It jumped immediately into the panic and chaos of the entire world finding out your identity. It was so incredible to see Peter try and scramble around the city to escape as he tries to comprehend what's going on. And it was all done in classic John Watts style, quick fast paced action.
No, a majority of people were fine with it. It's just a vocal minority that thinks it sucked.
The opening that is being complained about is the going to strange part
It was fun and chaotic. It's not a Batman where everything has to be serious
I don’t think that opening sucks but I wished it didn’t happen because it really doesn’t contribute too much to the story and I would’ve rather had those 30 minutes with Andrew and Tobey, or the other villains
@@talimpalomino9589 this isn’t Andrew and tobys movie. Even I knew that going in
the ending was really beautiful… it was peter shown at his lowest point, but still getting back up and fighting which is what spider-man is all about
Finally actual consequences
@Judge Jerry Poppins Funny part is that his points aren't actually all points he should be doing if he wanted Peter to be an accurate adaptation, Peter in the comics is someone who can lose his temper easily, someone that has problems in school even if he is smart but he still needs to get up which is basically half Andrew Garfield half Tom Holland
@Judge Jerry Poppins truth.... All he knows is Raimi,not comics
When Morbius came in and said “With great power, comes great Morbility.” And then dipped. It put tears in my eyes.
It's been said before, but Spider-man's story in the MCU is a microcosm of why the MCU itself is successful and continues to print millions across an absurdly hurge library of films: the idea of building a gigantic, interconnected world, for the express purpose of destroying it all in spectacular fashion. It was never a coincidence that the MCU's depiction of Vulture and Mysterio embody the biggest objections to MCU Spider-man- that he's not working class, that he's got everything from Tony. These flaws were deliberately laid into the foundation for the express purpose of being the fault lines from which everything would break apart.
I still don’t understand Alex’s “no consequences” nit pick. Isn’t the whole reason for this movie a consequence of Peter’s actions in Far From Home? No hate to Alex, but that has always bothered me.
@CYB3R2K30 so the consequence results in a new story? That just sounds like…good writing?
@CYB3R2K30 The end of the movie is legit a consequence lasting
@CYB3R2K30 those consequences did not get dropped out those same consequences legit made the multiverse and crack and essentially made him lose everything
@@dtowns fuck no😂😂😂
@@spongebobsquarepants4261 no it’s a studio re-writing their wrongs so their past wrongs no longer matter
Hitop really just said Peter felt no empathy for the villains when he literally felt sorry for their plight and wanted to free them...
Whatever fits his narrative I guess
Hitop just doesn't like toms spider-man at all, so he just tries to hate 🤷
@Snehil Shrey if that's the case that doesn't entirely make sense. Tom literally went out of his way to be able to save vultures life when he could have very easily just walked away. and mysterio's death was not his fault, and tbh, I'm not expecting anyone to all of a sudden have a great moment of understanding towards someone's plight when they literally spent half a movie trying to kill his friends while openly endangering the entire public for nothing but his own ego.
Yeah he’s really not the best critic or video essayist
@@jemmymonroe5835 especially after he was fooled by Mysterio whom he considered a good friend. It makes complete sense for him to want nothing to do with these villains
Nah that’s it. This is the video that makes me 100% believe that HiTop films doesn’t actually believe half the shit he spews out online, he just says it to be controversial. You’re not even backing half your points here, youre just saying words.
Yeah I know
Yup, sounds like hes just presenting his opinions and feelings in the tone you'd typically use to present a fact.
True
@@khaosform8525 yeah, pretty much just typical video-essayist bullshit
100% bud. Hitop is a pretentious fuckwit who acts like he knows the exact way Spidey should be portrayed. Honestly, what set me off the most is him saying rather Watts' didn't really "craft" this film with love and care. Even though literally everyone has said he really put everything into it. What an insult to an actual talented film-maker.
Spider-Man's core message continues to be "With great power comes great responsibility." Peter takes that seriously, looking for ways to keep family and friends safe -- complete strangers, too.
5:02 Did you not realize that Peter had no idea they would be sent back to die at the time? It's only when he learns that that he decides to save them
Dude is a slave to his bias for raimi and ignores everything in the mcu
This guy is touuuugh to listen to. I don’t have any problem listening to people I disagree with, but people that are blind, willfully ignorant and a lot of times straight up wrong, it’s hard to listen to.
I used to get some of his points from the last 2 MCU Spider-Man movies but right now he's just proving that he's biased for the Sam Raimi Spiderman Trilogy
Addressing the end of the video: Isn’t Spider-Man in the comics and shows ALWAYS regressing and relearning? He’s never been a perfect person, in fact that’s half the appeal. For Peter, being selfless & isn’t easy, but he’s a hero because no matter what he always comes back to that.
Isn’t that basically the plot of the second Raimi movie everybody loved so much? He gives up his responsibility for selfish reasons and then returns to be the hero he knows he has to be. In the Third movie although influenced by the symbiote he becomes completely selfish and again forgets this core message. Why is it that it’s not acceptable for Holland’s Spidey to have to relearn and grow constantly, this is a core aspect of Spider-Man and always has been from what I’ve seen.
Yeah I think the thing that the criticism about the texture less and bland visual style of Spider-Man no way home is valid. But idk the thematic things are subjective
I think it's just bc FFH is just such a bad movie that it kind of hurts Homecoming and NWH.
@@MaxIronsThird nope.....that's just a desperate excuse to defend this narcissist Hitop guy.
@@diannajennings266 Nah, that's just my opinion, I was in the beginning of the video when a commented.
@@MaxIronsThird I think FFH is quite good
Can I ask you something? I mean this in the best faith possible, I'm trying to open a discussion here. Why is it so hard for you to believe that this wasn't a course correction, but the completion of an arc instead? Why is your first thought that this isn't where they were always leading in the first place? Ultimately, art is subjective. We're not going to see what each other saw. But I'm at least hoping to know what you saw. Because for me, this is where this was always leading. Maybe not through the power of the multiverse, but I always knew this is what the plan was: Spider-Man, reborn, on his own.
I want to reiterate: this is not in any way to be taken the wrong way. I legitimately want to know why you're so certain this wasn't always the plan.
I mean, because some things completely shift from movie to movie.
Aunt May changes her perspective on Spider-man 3 times. On Homecoming she gets worried for Peter, which is why it makes sense that he keeps his secret hidden from her.
Then FFH completely change that, with her being completely accepting of it, and not really being important to the movie.
Now in NWH, she serves as his moral code, Peter's mother riminding him to do whats right, and it really works.
There's also that scene in Civil War that implies the "great power" lesson to already be learnt.
The shifting tone between the first two movies and this one, without any hints of it at all before.
How they completely forgot about highschool drama and focused on very personal stakes.
How they adressed most people's criticisms of those movies in a very direct way.
Idk, it would be a VERY big surprise if it wasnt really a course correction. If I wanted NWH to be my ending to the origin, I would have done Homecoming and FFH WAAAAAAY diferently.
Because it was a course correction.
Marvel in 2015 when it was announced we were getting a reboot: “we are not doing an origin story.”
Marvel after the release of NWH: “we were actually doing an origin story the entire time.”
Kinda contradictory.
Also before No Way Home went the multiverse route it was very heavily rumored that the film was gonna be a Spidey vs Kraven film with a possibility of Scorpion playing a role. The whole multiverse stuff came through most likely after Sony and Marvel re-negotiated.
Bro. Its like your expecting a raimi movie in a watts movie. This movie did well putting these old villains in the same roles with almost the same tones.
@Toad Is Forgotten does he? Hee feels like he's picking it apart because rose tinted glasses. I want these movies to be serious too. Im also a raimi fan boy but complaining that they arent the same movies just sounds really dumb.
@Toad Is Forgotten doesn't sound like he likes this movie
@Toad Is Forgotten he enjoyed the movie but was quite mixed on this
“Peter Parker Rather than have his mission based in empathy would rather get rid of these villains, these victims as soon as possible.”
Did we watch the same movie? Because I swear I thought the main conflict between Peter and strange is that he wants to help them then send them back rather then sending them back “as soon as possible” as strange wanted to do. He doesn’t want to send them back as he knows they are destined to die, he would rather help them because he is EMPATHETIC to Their situation.
HiTop never watches these movies. Why else would he constantly miss what they actually do and keep comparing them to the Raimi trilogy?
He’s talking about before aunt may convinces him… maybe *you* didn’t watch the movie. His first reaction was “it’s not my problem, we should send them back,” until May calls him out on taking the easy choice for himself instead of helping the villains.
Watch the rest of the video before you comment lol
@@sungod9797 but he didn’t know they were going to die when they go back then, it’s only after he hears that they are going to that he realises what he has to do.
@@sungod9797 then once he realized they’re going to die he immediately wants to save them
I love how his mission of empathy to cure them just isn't enough? Like you literally saw the movie, you saw that he went against one of the most powerful avengers to save these villains?
Strange isn’t an Avenger, but I see the point being made here.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 ehhh he's still one of the strongest hero's in the universe
@@thefilmwatcher1302 he’s still probably the strongest hero in that universe rn besides maybe Wanda.
Well all of you guys are forgetting something......Strange was not seriously trying to hurt Peter....he just wanted the box
@@anshulsenguptaxbrollno-2579 and how is that remotely relevant to the point being made? The point is: Strange was a wall (and intended in leaving Peter waiting in the Mirror dimension btw) and Peter chose to face it in order to have a CHANCE to save the villains. It’s not like Strange let him pass through. He was trying to get the box and trap Peter
Okay... you complain that we didn't know may enough for her death to matter...
Are you kidding??
In the other two spiderman series. The uncle Ben characters were literally killed in the first 30 minutes. Peter loved uncle Ben, uncle Ben died. Peter loved aunt may, and she died.
Seems funny that you're pissed off at the fact that some of the lines or cg wasn't good enough. Is annoying. We wanted this film, the film happened. And your annoyed.
Stop being a nostalgic raimi fan boy and open your mind to this movie rather than comparing it to others
Ok, I get that. But Aunt May in the MCU compared to the Mays and Bens of the other franchises has little to no affect on peter at all. She only plays a role in his character IN No Way Home.
This man has mastered saying so much and yet so little at the same time
Huh
Why
@@lukerne9260 some might disagree on his thoughts on the movie
This sums it all up perfectly
and without giving a proper argument you are doing the same. but with less words
This video feels more like a unstructured ramble rather than a structured essay with a thesis.
That’s cause it is
Yeah I know
@Judge Jerry Poppins eh, it could be a miss this video but his other videos are still great.
I’m a bit confused that after the movie brought Peter to his roots, exactly where HiTop wanted him, he’s now questioning the sincerity of the storytelling and how authentic it is to Tom’s Peter. Especially now with Amy Pascall saying they want to top this movie not in spectacle, but in emotion in Spider-Man 4, I feel like they’re saying all the right things, doing all the right things. The fact that this reset happens and it feels like a natural progression of Tom’s arc is an absolute miracle, and the fact that they used the villains and other Spider-Men and their experiences as ways for Tom to empathize and learn so that going forward he understands how to respond to adversity and loss. Where HiTop is consistent in his argument is his distaste for the style, but I also feel like he’s choosing to focus on the stuff he dislikes over the shots and moments that stand out and have weight.
He's so negative... That's my problem with hitop. His desire for something perfect keeps him from enjoying something really good. I don't need that kind of critic in my head influencing my opinions tbh
For the first time I feel kinda disappointed over Hitop, the movie gaves us all that we wanted and everything that Peters Tom Holland needed to finally grown up and become Spider-Man, at this point I really don't get it. I would easily be considered as a Raimi Fanboy, but man, I love how they didn't have a competition to see who's the best Peter Parker, its just like Tobey said: "That's what WE do". They are all Amazing, It's a true celebration to Spider-Man.
@@Scott_34 agreed
Peter still didnt fave any consequences, like why isnt he in jail or prison? Wasnt there audio of him saying execute them all.
@@Whatttttkwbsns still didn’t have any consequences what? the entire movie is literally about him facing consequences
13:37 "Tom was never truly Spiderman before" He grew up during the Avengers era, he was there when Iron Man was fighting Whiplash, it's safe to presume that he didn't choose to be Spiderman because he faced some great loss, he chose to be Spiderman after watching all the super heros he grew up in the era of. MCU Peter would choose to be spiderman because he has the powers and it would be the right thing to do, he necessarily didn't need an uncle ben moment.
In Civil war he has this whole monologue about "If you can do what I do.... they happen because of you" is the groundwork showing that he had the basic spiderman philosophy but not because of someone's death, but because he grew up watching superheroes save New York
He always was a Superhero, he knew how to be one by watching the Avengers, but in this film he truly became Spider-Man, the symbol of hope we all know and love.
So ur basically saying this Peter became Spider-Man just for the sake of doing the right thing?
Because that would make him insanely boring and generic, Peter becoming Spider-Man out of LOSS and GUILT is what makes Peter Parker Spider-Man and it’s what makes him so compelling as a character, remove that he becomes a boring cookie-cutter typical superhero.
@@Ye_B0i tbh Tom's spiderman was cookie cutter and boring in the mcu. He felt the need to be a superhero because he has the powers. He found inspiration and motivation from watching other superheroes saving lives and be heroic. That's probably why Tom's spiderman doesn't have that moral compass we saw unlike toby and Andrew's. Nwh solves this by giving tom a clear moral compass to be spiderman and not just a hero following the steps of iron and the avengers alike.
@@roostercoasterman holy sh@t you predicted this well because one of the lead writers from NWH recently came out and said NWH was Peter's moment of moral compass being found.
even thought NWH solved this, it doesn't help that Peter was initially established as a dude who decided to be a hero just for the sake of it, which come to think about it Tom's Spidey was already a cookie cutter the moment he was introduced to the mcu.
You never needed Peter Parker to feel. He HAS been feeling. You needed him to be miserable, because you can't conceive of a Spider-Man who isn't. You look at these films through the lens of two other versions, with for all intents and purposes two completely different characters. You can't conceive of a Spider-Man who isn't Batman wearing red, because you just want to watch the first two versions again.
He can’t conceive of a comic-accurate version of the character.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 comic accurate? A spiderman that isnt batman?
This spiderman is far from the angsty snarky ditko spider man and has all the resources of batman from stark( before the ending).
Mcu is far from comic acurate.
@@getitstandswithukraine6637 Clearly you never read the actual run.
@@ReaperBlaze76 i have, multiple times.
@@ReaperBlaze76 theres a video nerdsync made recently called "spiderman used to suck" or something .
While i disagree with the title, the video shows what i'm talking about.
Oh, or you could just try to read the original lee/ditko run. ;)
I agree with a lot of your takes, but I'd be lying if I said this didn't feel a little too harsh. Sure, the MCU style hindered the beginning, but there was still a set of creative decisions, especially in the camerawork. The longer tracking shots kept the film feeling dynamic and engaging, allowing the viewer to feel like they're there in the room, keeping us on our toes for whatever comes into the frame next. There was the issue of flat lighting, but it didn't really distract from the spectacle of the swinging scenes imo. Also, come on, you couldn't bring up Dafoe's performance? It shook me to my core when he just kept smiling through Tom's punches. Also, the relationship between the Peters, and the different aspects of the role each brought with them was palpable, and the dialogue they share is clever and genuine. The actors really brought their A game here, and I even laughed at a couple Ned lines for once. Aunt May's death didn't hit me very hard, because like you said, they never really made me care about her, and god was I happy when the investigator brought up how insane it is that she was so encouraging of Peter's life-threatening actions instead of being worried, easily my least favorite thing about their relationship. But Peter's vulnerability in that scene showed me that there was hope for MCU Spider-Man, and that was only proven further by the ending of the film. They had everyone forget him, they cut him off from the rest of the MCU without taking him out of the world, and now he has no one but himself to rely on. That's truly Spider-Man.
Also, that last line with MJ? "It doesn't hurt anymore." Genius. Love that they let that linger, and Tom's expression in that entire scene was cathartic and real. Loved the film, despite it's imperfections. Favorite of the trilogy, no doubt. Number ratings are dumb, but I do them anyway. 8.5/10, only MCU films that are better imo are the first Guardians, and Infinity War.
Above all: Spider-man didn't need any fixing. I liked the first movies, I liked this one, I don't think that there was no sacrifice beforehand (it is more like the level of sacrifice was raised with each movie), and I really liked the Marvel took its time to built the character up instead of just repeating what was done before. F... people who say that any fixing was necessary. Well, there was, but not of MCU Spider-man, but of the least popular Comic book story involving him EVER and they somehow managed to take the best ideas from this clusterfuck and make it good. I'm impressed.
@@swanpride I'm sorry, I disagree, I think he needed fixing for sure, for most of Peter's MCU run, he hasn't truly been Spider-Man. But that's what this all built up to, these last 6 films with him have been more of a complete origin story, just across different stages of his life. Now, he's finally got the great responsibility, he's lost one of the people (in this case THE person) that raised him and gave him his moral compass. Now he's on his own, with the weight on his shoulders alone, and he has to continue to find the strength to do the right thing without Avengers holding his hand. He's growing up, and it's high time we see that version of Spider-Man in the MCU, think similar to Insomniac's version (imo the best portrayal of the character there is). Sure, he was a kid, but even as a kid he still had the weight of his aunt/uncle's death on his shoulders, the genuine repercussions of his actions and the weight of his decisions really affected him. Homecoming did alright in that regard, and Vulture was great. But Far From Home? God, what a joke. They've definitely "fixed" MCU Spider-Man from what I can tell and thank you Kevin Feige for doing so.
It's not that he's harsh, it's that you think this is an 8.5/10. It's not. But you can think it is if you want.
@@O1OO1O1 You're right, it's a 9.
But seriously, HiTop is no more objective than anyone else.
You especially are not. So you can't tell Dan he's wrong for saying it's an "8.5/10".
HiTop's entire platform has been built from his unabashed loyalty to the Raimi trilogy and his hatred for the MCU Spidey. Not surprised that he's very negative again, imo that's sort of his niche: he gives the Spider-Man purist's take on the movie. (And to be frank I think his bias is a bit silly at this point.)
I think this Spider-Man’s delayed maturity, while a little difficult for older fans to put it up with, is a gift to younger fans growing up with the character.
Definitely. As a kid who was going into 8th grade when Homecoming came out and now soon graduating HS with NWH out, I feel like I’ve grown with MCU Peter.
I actually love how they build him up from a kid to an adult, kind of like Harry Potter. Sure, for some fans it’s annoying, but the natural progression is far in a ways worth it.
@@titan2k928 As someone who’s been a fan of him since Civil War, this movie was incredibly rewarding.
@@blyki867 definitely, his growth especially from that point, is very tangible and visceral. They handled his character very well
He was literally always like this, people are only just seeing it now cause they put him through worse stuff than he’s been through before. In terms of how they wrote Peter, nothing changed. His characterization has always been the same.
But I agree this film allows fan to grow up with this Peter
This feels like an L take. I love every bit bit of this movie. And to say it wasn't visually stunning, but also ignoring the scene where he stands alone looking at the broadcast on the rain. This film was beautiful even the ending sequence was too.
He has that highschool hipster take where he doesn’t want to like it because it’ll set him apart from everyone else making him seem like he knows what he’s saying but really he doesn’t 🤡
he just compares all the movies to the raimi films and can’t enjoy them anymore. it’s not some deep thing it’s a character
@@uDontGotJuice I feel that too. And it just doesn't make sense to me. Like on paper. And in my head, when I watched his video I found it to be more of a critique of the movie's production. For being produced in COVID, it had some pretty fantastic shots. I also love how he says the city feels lifeless, and then shows MJ and Pete swinging in a buzzing NYC
What one scene 🤣
It's a good film but it isn't really visually creative tbh
That’s one scene lmao. The ending sequence barely showed the new Spider-Man suit. It was like the camera man was trying to take sneaky shots.
“But this time he suffers the consequences that have been sorely missing.” I don’t think you’ve watched the first two mcu spider man movies when you say this but okay. It’s like just because mcu spider man never had an uncle Ben story on camera, now every single tragic consequence he experiences is “not dark/brutal/sad enough,” when all the while, this adaptation of Peter has undoubtedly suffered the most out of the three live action spider-men…I just don’t understand the disconnect here with people thinking peter never has any consequences for his actions when he does. And for the people who think he doesn’t know that “power and responsibility” like he should, well, he certainly does after no way home, and even in the previous two movies, he’s still maturing, he’s a teenager, marvel studios was simply taking their time for his story to come full circle as it did in no way home. Peters initial selfishness and disregard for the consequences of his actions is one of the most key parts of his maturation into the modern Spider-Man we know and love today. That is literally a focal point of his story, the focus of these movies is exploring those various consequences and arguably makes toms Peter the most developed and complex peter of the bunch. The point is he’s had plenty of tragic consequences but somehow they’re not “good enough” for people, including you it seems like…
where? he literally only suffered in nwh, that too just one death. what has he lost in hoco and ffh? a sugar daddy? a high school crush?
@@rangeetch.lahiri2120 he’s lost his pride, his love interest, his trust, his mentor, his second but fake mentor, his suit, his relationship with aunt May…please tell me what tobey maguires Spider-Man has lost besides his uncle Ben and best friend…not nearly as much as what tom has lost…Andrew is the only one who comes close…not to mention that Tom’s peter could very well have lost an uncle Ben that we don’t know about yet…so there’s the consequences. Think before you speak muchacho
@@rangeetch.lahiri2120 I don't know if you saw a little film called Infinity War but Spiderman DIES in that. But yeah, no loss.
@@rangeetch.lahiri2120’s been real quiet since this dropped
Personally I don’t think the point of Spider-Man is having experienced “earth shattering heartbreak” or suffering. It’s more of YOU HAVE to choose OR you will suffer. You can’t have it both ways and you have a responsibility which you can’t honor if you’re not committed. This applies to every Spider-Man. And it’s interesting cuz as much as you’d like to Nobody can relate to this. It’s unique to Peter. He’s literally got nobody now, whether it was planned or not it was a brilliant finish to his arc seeing him grow as a whole is something we’ve never seen on screen and honestly it’s got flaws but man this was an experience. Lucky to have grown up with all 3 Spider-Men lol
Well put man
This idea of Spider-Man fundamentally being a character defined by suffering is so stupid. Peter Parker, like a lot of Marvel characters is a dude who is a funny and relatable everyday problems and also has crazy superhero adventures and you get all that in the MCU Spider-Man movies without them rehashing all the tragic motivations for the third damn time. No Way Home, is in my opinion, far more effective specifically because it isn't going through the motions, Aunt May's death hits harder because I was not expecting her to die, and it brought out a side of this version of the character, that is a true escalation of the conflict because I'm not used to seeing him go that dark, nor do I expect it. It gives him a great contrast with the other two Peters
This is the way
@@TheJadedJames so true like jesus if u look at the comics peter suffers like once every ten years, yet all the bad things happen to him in the movies
@@sunnycombo5275 I grew up reading Ultimate Spider-Man. Sometimes there is a tragedy with characters like Gwen or Harry. But Peter is also doing stuff like hanging out with other superheroes or engaging in pure comedy arcs
It was honestly really eerie seeing Tom Holland's Spider-Man beat the crap out of Willem
Dafoe's Green Goblin.
I also kinda dig the fact that the past 3 movies is basically his origin story
@@torment4119 u forgot ?
This peter has never shown true hatred like this. He stopped pulling his punches. He wasn't afraid to hurt someone. It felt like the start of a dark internal struggle that we'll hopefully see more of.
@@KingNyanCat On top of him surely feeling at least a hint of resentment over having to give up everything at the end. Hopefully they keep planting more seeds like that, it'd be perfect material to work with for when he eventually gets the symbiote.
@@torment4119 I don't I would have liked to see more progression but if you like it that's fine
You completely ignored the charecter development of Tom's peter
Not really. That is one of the things he really liked about this movie.
You do make some valid points and criticisms against No Way Home. After all, it is not a perfect movie, no movie is. However, I feel like some of your judgements on the film are clouded by your bias towards the Raimi trilogy. Don't get me wrong, the Raimi trilogy is a masterpiece, and as a whole trilogy (from start to finish), it is the best of the three live-action Spider-Man. However, some of your criticisms such as camera shots or lack of character make no sense. You quite literally missed the points of major plot points because of this clouded judgement. Calling No Way Home bland, and comparing the raimi and webb characters coming into the MCU as "eating a gourmet meal in a KFC bathroom" is incredibly under appreciative and just utter bullshit. No Way Home did justice to every character they brought back, paying them homage. Tobey and Andrew were given really good small character arcs that felt genuine and passionate while also not taking away from Tom's character growth. You don't have to like the movie, but what you're saying just feels disingenuous or like you did not even watch the movie.
I feel like the issue with your "review" is that you keep trying to compare every Spider-Man movie to what you consider as a "gold-standard" which are the Raimi films. There is not one way to do Spider-Man, and you not liking a direction they take or specific style for the movie, does not make it an automatic "bad movie" or even a "bad Spider-Man movie", for that matter.
Obviously, you don't have to like anything the MCU puts out. Opinions and what you like are subjective. But when you criticise Watt's vision on really losely made points that just feel spiteful and nit-picky, it feels as if you are hating on the character and movie, just for the purpose of hating. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but to me, you kinda seem like those Raimi fanboys who automatically hate everything just because it is not Tobey Maguire and his movies. And again, I love Tobey and all three of his movies, but that's not gonna make me reject everything else the franchise has to offer. Doing this rather than giving actual well explained constructive criticism, does not sit right with me.
I love this comment as I agree everything with it
@Elie Boutros exactly. I love the raimi films too, they were my childhood, and I completely respect that you prefer them over the MCU’s version but yeah HiTop is a bit extreme on this, especially since NWH felt like a celebration for the Spider-Man character as a whole. While it was Tom’s story, it felt like it was commemorating 20 years worth of cinema and I think it was beautifully done. Not perfect, I agree that the CGI was a bit sketchy in places (although, to be fair, it was made in a pandemic and they’ve already rereleased it with updated vfx), and the MCU humour is present, especially in the first half. I think the MCU humour is good but sometimes it’s taken a bit too far to the point when it takes you out of the film, but in nwh it was relatively fine. But where nwh shines is it’s story, the legacy of Spider-Man of not only the past but the set up for the future, and does everything that the end of trilogy and a celebration of films should do. Its why I overlook the nitpicky issues of the movie because they don’t negatively impact the overall enjoyment and satisfaction for the movie, atleast not for me
@@leoalper4530 Agree
Pretty much every problem I have with Hi-Top is summarized here. What a great comment I’m surprised you didn’t get more likes.
@@itamar20112 מדבר עברית? חחח
I actually found Green Goblin more intimidating in “No Way Home” then in “Spider-Man 2002”.
Nah TALK
It helps that we can see his face in NWH, his expressions really help convey the intimidation and just how insane he is
What is important is that he hasn't lost his character in the new movie.
Honestly he's better than thanos
that whole seen in the condo where peter's spider sense went off had me on the edge of my seat
The dichotomy between Norman and the Goblin definitely hit hard in NWH, Willem Dafoe acts his ass off to rip that empathy from the audience
“Peter Parker, rather than have his mission based in empathy. Would rather get rid of these villains as soon as possible…” dude… I think you missed the whole point of the movie. Tom’s Peter COULD get it over with by the press of a button. He COULD kill all these villains and have it done within an instant, but he doesn’t. He feels for them and wants to cure them instead of kill them. That’s the whole premise of the movie and the fact it flew over your head really shows how you are looking for failure, how you are constantly looking for little nitpicks of this Peter that don’t make any sense.
Completely agreed. Literally the plot of the movie is Peter taking the hard option and trying to help the villains instead of easily sending them to their deaths.
Yeah after this I’m kinda done with hitop’s vids he’s proven that he’s extremely biased
You were watching this review expecting logic and sound reasoning? I’m watching it just to laugh at all the points he gets wrong because of his ENORMOUS bias towards some pretty outdated movies. Like he’s seriously complaining about this CGI when the CGI in films like SM1 were horrible (even for their time).
@@driquea4739 wrong
@@fistbumpstudioz4548 Look the Raimi movies are great but even you must admit the CGI especially in the first one don’t really hold up much
While some effects and plot points could indeed be improved, your review really came out as: "Wah! Why didn't Doc Ock bash Tom Holland's head in?
Why didn't Tobey's entrance have an entire orchestra and epic multidimensional fanfare to it? Why didn't Tobey lift Mjonir and show that he could easily defeat the entire MCU?"
pretty understanable questions when considering the plot armor tom has, only defeated Ock cause of stark technology
@@346Yoman Did you expect Tom to be utterly humilliated in his own trilogy movie and protray tobey as utterly superior?
@@346Yoman Butthurt
Honestly, if you think about it, those arms are outdated as hell man. Compared to Stark tech at that time, Otto’s arms are severely outclassed.
I thought the entrance of Tobey and Andrew was great. It was quiet and emotional and brought a feeling of wonder and amazement.
Some people don’t mind it
Turns out Toby really wanted to show his face in this movie which is why his mask was actually cgi in post. The three spider men running together, although looking like a blender animation. Was incredible and got me teary eyed in the theatre. This movie was an event and all of the goods COMPLETELY outweigh the bads.
What does blender mean in this context?
@@eddieperez8111 its like the beginners app people use to learn about 3d models and animation, i think thats what he was referring to
@@eddieperez8111 the animation look like shit, but it's enough to brought audience's tear
@@asmiredi8989 it looks fine
@@asmiredi8989 it looks fantastic lol
An important note I think, would be that the lizard and sandman actors weren’t able to actually show up due to scheduling and so on but were able to lend their voices to the role. So I don’t think the reusing footage is unfair when they could get the actual actors.
Which is weird because I heard that they were on set wearing cloaks to hide themselves.
Actually, that's how Tom found out William Dafoe was in the movie. He bumped into him while he was wearing a cloak
That’s probably true for dafoe, Molina and Foxx and that makes sense because they were the ones that were outspoken about their roles. They did an interview before release.
I wish people would stop saying it “fixed”mcu Spider-Man. This is what they had planned. They didn’t have everything down to a dot, they originally thought this was going to be a kraven film, but they still had the general idea of what they where doing
They didn't plan it out lmfao, they had 2 teenager high school movies, and then a 3rd one which completely reboots the character and brings back villains from older movies, what kind of plan is that? They must've planned out NWH after Sony took Spider-Man out of the MCU back in August 2019
@@vesha6274 there is a difference between “rebooting” and character growth. He went from thinking he needed stark tech to realizing he dosent, right now he thinks he can do it alone but I’m the next movie it’s going to be him being angry and alone and realizing that he needs other people. All three movies where his planned out origin arc, and now we will get three more where he is a more traditional Spider-Man
@@dipz6479 nope, it wasn't planned, the ending was originally supposed to be completely different, he was never supposed to leave the Stark suits behind, and he was never supposed to make everyone forget who he was originally. I don't get why people have a hard time understanding that people plan things along the way, not everything is planned from the start, doesn't really make the movie any better or worse
@@vesha6274 it was planned kinda in a homecoming interview john watts said he wanted a long origin story of spiderman that lasts a trilogy back in 2017 and ye that shows they wanted to making him the actual spiderman at the end well this is kinda similar to the comics aswell spiderman doesnt becomes spiderman after putting the suit it took him quite some time doing the trial and error method and learning from his mistakes aswell. I agree with the @Dipz dude saying its fixing the character is straight up wrong cuz this is what you call character development not fixing they didnt change anything about the previous character they added more to it and thats what character development is and not fixing, fixing has completely different meaning. The 3rd movie was going to be revolved around kraven but still in that movie everyone was gonna forget peter parker at the end and him being on his own. Each film it went darker and darker and its goin to be more darker than the previous movie in the next trilogy
@@vesha6274 source: trust me bro
No they aren't saying that Tom wasn't spiderman in the other movies. The director said that the first 3 spiderman movies were his origin story, allowing him to now be his own character
This movie is the literal textbook definition of “third time’s the charm”
I can finally accept Tom Holland as spider-man because of this movie!
me too. finally...
@@TheEmperorRaidou Raimi fanboy moment
@@Jackson-op2ee or people just weren’t a fan of watts spidey
Im surprised it took a lot of people to understand what the mcu was going for with spiderman. They told his origin story over the length of 3 films instead of just one. This way you get to see the life that he lives before and what he has to sacrifice to finally become the spiderman we know and love. Instead of it being in one film like it was for tobey and andrew, we get it played out over multiple and the impact becomes much greater
@@CryNhn Do we know that for sure? When they were making Homecoming, did they ever explicitly say that this was the plan all along?
Okay, i agree about the reveal of Tobey and Andrew using medium shot and wack editing, but i love that the setting they used was Ned's grandma's house. To me, it feels like a callback to Aunt May's house in the Raimi trilogy or in Webb's films. That homey feeling that I personally associate Tobey and Andrew with is perfectly fitting for a homey environment, but thats just me
This is a great point actually! I was hoping for a dramatic entrance on a rooftop or something, but instead we got something far more intimate that, like you said, was reminiscent of the old settings
People were expecting a dramatic entrance, but if that meant less screen time of the other Peters, then no way would I want that because we lose the impact the other Peters had on MCU Peter and their interactions, which are a great part of the movie
@@thebatman. no
@@masonwright7700 yes
It was wack
I used to *love* this channel, but more recently it seems like I'm beginning to notice that HiTop is more focused with comparing his own "better" version of a story rather than accepting the story (that's not automatically praising it) for what it is and judge how it holds on its own.
I understand that Marvel has placed a high price on pleasing the fans, and therefore the fans ought to expect to be pleased by their work. What I'm saying is if we don''t like what we get, that's fine, but it's also in our better interest to accept what they give us upon entry rather than create a film before we see it.
Yeah I know
I don't even think it's that I've been following this channel for a really long time and lately he's been very biased towards DC and very anti-Marvel. He even straight-up admits that in his Shang Chi review. It sucks to see that people just can't enjoy both and feel that they need to pick a side. Shame
@@LeonNeith8965 you can love both I'm a big marvel fan for sure but I enjoy some of the DC movies. Aquaman and Shazam especially are pretty good in my opinion. Oh also the suicide squad from James Gunn was pretty great too.
Pretty much, I respect his opinion but he kinda nitpicks at times.
He's a big hypocrite
Videos like this are why the dislike stat should’ve never left CZcams. I’d be so curious what the ratio would’ve been here.
It has 12K dislikes now.
@@kama933 Oh interesting, how can you tell?
@@kama933 yeah how can you tell?
I have an extension called "Return CZcams Dislikes".
Less than 25% dislikes which is pretty good considering the amount of fanboys and haters of an opinion there are
Right now I'm willing to forgive and forget as long as they stay true to the promises they made in this movie. I can't say for sure if the nostalgia would have been enough to win me over because while nostalgia was a big part of the appeal with the legacy characters It was more than that for the most part. Although I agree that It's a shame that it took the MCU this long to get Peter to where he needs to be I can't deny that I'm delighted that he's here now. That optimism has me excited for what they're going to do next with Spider-Man in the MCU and that's something I never thought I'd say.
I totally agree
The first trilogy was just an origin story…
"forgive and forget" like it ain't just a movie. it's not that deep bro
@@twignotstick894 exactly man it’s just Spider-Man and these past 2 movies weren’t bad at all
@@mikeoxmaul9870 Yes, yes they were.
I couldn't believe how well they listened to criticism of MCU Spidey and actually put work into solving the issues. They gave him independence, gave him legitimate tragedy, made a serious movie with real consequences and best of all gave him his mantra back. At last, an excellent Spider-Man MCU film.
meh, a good fanservices movie, don't think a good spiderman movie. But the next one can be good
@@DR-pt2gk it’s a good spider-man movie, just not the best one
There's no pleasing fanboys, my friend.
@@DR-pt2gk fan service isn’t a bad thing lmao. Aren’t these movies for… fans?
@@Luke101 at the end of the day, is a movie. Watch star wars 9,it was also for the fans...
This video is prove that no matter how good the movies are, even after they do almost everything you wanted to happen, you will always be biased. It has come to the point where you are actually lying about plot points of the movie because you know the movie is good but don't want to admit it because it's not Raimi. You come into these films wanting to hate them and there's just no point in listening to your reviews anymore. You have become the CinemaSins of CZcams movie analysts.
he said the best spider man movie was tasm2 so if it could be more like that i gusse
@@donxx1206 uh no? His favorite is Spiderman 2 not TASM 2
@@vesha6274 well he somehow ranked no way home UNDER amazing spider-man 2 lmfaoo
@@garywebb2432 that cannot be true lol. Man is bellow the rabbit hole. Damn
@@danielz-v4083 I'm serious he posted his rating on twitter
There were things I didn't like about Far From Home but it had strong emotional beats, especially later in the movie. A lot was Peter trying to avoid emotion more than the movie, he sees reminders of his grief everywhere, even in Spider-man itself, thus why he avoids it.
As someone that just lost their mother a year ago, I gotta say I regret the things I took for granted most of all and now that she's gone, that's the weight I carry that's the heaviest. So watching Peter lose her after taking her for granted and watching her just be in the background only to find out how great of a character she is near the end and then she's gone hits in just the right way for me. No matter how good she was, he took her for granted and now he has to live with that. So do we, as the audience. There aren't a bunch of comforting scenes it memories to reflect on because he was too busy being Spider-Man. Idk, it works for me.
Im so sorry for your loss. I lost my dad 2 years ago, but due to a lot of circumstances I dont feel like mentioning it didnt hit as hard as grief does for other people, so I cant imagine how you feel. Im really sorry for your loss
peter never took May for granted tho, he’s literally always saying she wants her to stay out of danger to avoid losing her like he did his uncle
@@issy785 hi, person that doesn't understand what I'm talking about because they've never been in the situation that's been described. I'm glad you don't understand this. But I'm not wrong. Not only did Peter neglect to spend time with his aunt May, the director purposely made it a point not to feature May and neglected her characterization until the very end.
@@Atomsk484 peter was never shown and it was never stated that he neglected to spend time with aunt may, are you forgetting homecoming when he literally went out to lunch and hung out with her? or when aunt may helped him get ready for homecoming in the film? even in the beginning of ffh we see their familial dynamic, peter never once took her for granted or neglected her
that may be the case for you and your mom but there’s no need to project that onto anyone else who’s lost a family member
@@issy785 look, as I stated in my initial post, that was my read on the film because of the situation that I currently find myself in. Nothing you say is going to invalidate my read on the film and just because you're ignorant to that circumstance and don't see it, doesn't mean it's not a valid read of the films message. Take your shit somewhere else. Film is an interpretive media and that's how I interpreted it. So fuck off if you don't like it.
as someone who strongly agrees with all hitop’s problems with mcu spidey, it’s hard for me grasp why he keeps holding up civil war’s spidey as so much better. this wasn’t ‘the best since 2016’, it BLOWS 2016 OUT OF THE WATER
Civil War gave us a taste of a good spider-man. then of course they botched it with the next two movies. They were good movies but they damn well werent spider-man movies
@@redgrapes8565 To say they aren't Spider-Man films is silly. FFH is bad but it still has a Spider-Man message in it. Homecoming is a great film and a great Spider-Man film. Hitops film just be focusing too much on his version of Spidey to really dive deep to why they work as Spidey films.
Writing wise? Civil War is probably the best Spidey we've had. They hit all the highest notes with only 20min of screentime. That's impressive.
@@redgrapes8565 that’s the thing: it simply seemed promising at the time because holland was clearly a great actor to play the role of peter, but literally nothing about civil war spidey was any better than homecoming or far from home, his role was just so minor we assumed he’d get proper depth and character treatment in his solo films
@@redgrapes8565 Couldn't disagree more, this whole trilogy is a perfect ark for Peter about growing up to be a better more responsible man with homecoming being about wanting more responsibilities, FFH bring about learning how to cater to those responsibilities and not let them hurt the ones around you and NWH was about how those responsibilities can destroy you and will not always be convenient but are things that you can never let go of because innocent people can get hurt if you don't.
Altogether I think these movies make him one of the most fleshed out versions of Spider-Man and create a character who feels like the tortured soul with the weight of the world on his shoulders we've always admired and it feels earned because we've seen every decision and sacrifice he's made to come to this point.
And I was expecting a comment on Charlie Cox' cameo. I guess he's that good of a lawyer...
Still can’t believe this guy dissed the CEO of sex 😡
We still need Sex 3 too complete the Sex trilogy
I'm glad I had a much better experience with the film than he did.
Kinda wish 90% of this video was about the negatives you had with the film. There's so much more to love about the movie than you gave credit for.
-That J. Jonah Jameson Billboard scene was shot amazingly.
-That Spidey-sence scene in the apartment gave me chills.
-Willem Defo's performance as Green Goblin was even better than the first Raimi movie.
-The score for this movie is better
-Matt freaking Murdock
-Andrew Garfield's Spidey is the highlight of this movie for me.
Atp he does it to get views and is nitpicking complaints because of his bias for the Ramey trilogy
I wish he would add his positives too but he doesn’t and kinda makes it more distasteful for me. Good constructive feedback has both positive and negative
for me, the scene that most represents peter’s growth in this movie is when he refuses to tell MJ everything after she forgets who he is because he understands that MJ knowing his identity puts her in danger, so he prefers to be alone than putting his love at risk. true peter parker shit here
@@tulip5210 and that’s why so many people are turned off by this video, it’s too overtly negative and shows his biased way too much
For me, William Dafoe performance show ho good Green Goblin characterization concept that him and Sam Raimi make in the first Raimi movie. Its nice to see what if Goblin not die and how he become even crazier over the time.
I think at this point anything that isn’t the Raimi movies sucks in your opinion.
Venom 2 is bad but it was a fun watch for me. Still bad though
@Judge Jerry Poppins because venom is a movie that just rolls with itself and embraces it’s oddness
@Judge Jerry Poppins there’s no way you can defend WW84 over No way home. ain’t no way boy
I’m sad because this sounds like all he wants is a reskinned raimi trilogy
Well the Batman proved you can do a reskinn of Nolan and still make it original
I agree that the CGI needing more time. In fact, I verbalized this while watching the first fight scene in the film. But idk why you need the sacrificial piece so badly, an uncle Ben. The story can be told without the cliche. He has clearly lost his Ben without the retelling. I needed a story that didn’t go back to the first film cliche.
I love how the trilogy was actually an origin story. I feel like the message “With great power, there most also come great responsibility” hits harder when he’s already Spider-Man instead of before he becomes Spider-Man. This makes him grow as a character to be more mature and responsible instead of reckless and wanting to live in both worlds.
I always loved toms spidey but now i love his more
Honestly I hated tom's spidey (His acting was top notch, I mean the actual spiderman himself). He felt more like how people were describing Miles and was in the shadow of Iron Man. I understand it's a different take, but we aren't given any insight on his motivation during FFH or Homecoming. Uncle ben is non existent, but they fixed the role to Aunt may, which I liked. The ending reminded me a lot of spider-man ps4 and actually felt like someone as the working class hero.
I just think that homecoming and FFH failed to capture what the character truly was (which is a shame because one of my favourite scenes of Spider Man is him lifting the rubble in homecoming, I thought that it would show him that he's no longer under the shadow of Iron Man. I was blatantly wrong when I watched FFH lol)
I know people will disagree with me, but I agree with HiTop about May. She was really underdeveloped, used more as a joke rather than a very important figure to Peter's life. She doesn't need the movie to be centralized about her and peter but if we were given insight on her morals from the start of homecoming, by introducing F.E.A.S.T and more of her motherly attitude, we could've gotten a better emotional connection. It also was just weird that Peter tried so hard to keep Spider-Man a secret from May, but in FFH, she encourages him to go risk his life, her only family, practically at this point considered to be her son. Yes there was a comment regarding peter saying that explaining he's spider-man to may again is just going to be frustrating, but we should've seen the actual development of it in FFH. Character Development is only good when you actually see and experience the arc of the character going through that change.
I feel like Jon Watts didn't either grasp his character and just blindly tried shooting it in. But considering Sony's track record (I have a burning passion to hate Avi Arad, the guy who ruined not only just Raimi's trilogy, but the TASM series, making Venom a PG-13 CHARACTER) in butting their way into spider man trilogies to just ruin them, I wouldn't be surprised if Jon watts was restricted of creative freedom in the previous 2 films and the studio decided to just give him more leeway/freedom in making NWH.
Regardless, I'm happy and satisfied with NWH because it's set up a Peter that I hope we get to see more development about.
I always come out of a Hi-Top Spidey video feeling 2 things, among others-
1) a sense of awe at how much raw feeling a man can put into a video essay about this character
and 2) a huge sense of personal relief that I’m not someone who lets shot composition or framing impede my appreciation of a good script/performance.
Dude's melodramatic as fuck. But I can kind of see his point, sometimes. Yeah, some jokes felt a bit too forced, CGI not as clean but overall it was great.
@@Riggs_The_Roadie that’s the word I was looking for. I would also throw in bloviation.
LMAOOOO
For real.. not once during this movie did I feel the cinematography got in the way of the actors’ performance. I cannot IMAGINE being that way about a film.
Did I just hear that right from HiTop Films? Did he just complain that Electro wasn't the same in this movie as he was in TASM2?! UHHH..Does he remember how terrible Electro was?!
He has talked about disliking og Electro, I think it's more of a problem with the idea that they have to be cured, like they're just great guys that have this one problem. It's the case for Otto, but every other villain's problem is bigger than that.
Norman was awful, cold, and heartless before the Goblin.
Sandman doesn't need to be fixed, like at all, he ends Spider-man 3 as a good man.
Connors' problem is how desperate he got trying to acchieve his ideology of "a world without weakness.
Do you see what I'm getting at? The movie doesnt really care about anyone of the except Norman and Otto.
Ngl this take aged well. Aunt May’s switch from being a hot mom to a main character and moral compass feels rushed. Plus the plot is kinda silly. Dr. Strange was just a dumbass in this movie. Zendaya and Tom’s relationship in the movie is just ok. Even with all that it’s still a good movie but you HAD to bring up Willem Dafoe’s performance. He killed it
"Kinda"
Bro, what the hell do they need to do to make you satisfied? Peter Parker is on his own. He lost Aunt May. Happy, Ned, MJ and literally everyone on the entire planet has no idea Peter Parker exists. He has no connections. He lives in a crappy apartment and has absolutely no Stark tech to use. We got the Great Responsibility line. Tom's Peter learnt what it TRULY means to be Spider-Man. He's aware of the danger it puts people in, he's aware of the CONSEQUENCES. When Peter went to tell MJ and Ned who he was at the end the movie, he noticed the bandaid on MJ's forehead and realised she and Ned will always be in danger for knowing who he is. For knowing Spider-Man. HE made the choice to let them live a better life.
Spider-Man No Way Home didn't "kinda" fix MCU Spider-Man. He IS Spider-Man. Through and through.
that was the second half of the movie, the first part was cringe and childish
Because it’s not raimi lol
@@sh_2426 this guy gets it
@@noork5782 that sounds like a you problem. The entire movie is better than anything the MCU has given us so far
Fr this guy can’t be happy with shit lmao
I actually like the fact that this trilogy was technically the origin story for Tom's spiderman, I think it was an interesting choice that gives his character a bit more growth than if we just already saw him in that position imo
That’s a great way to look at it. In fact, all of these Spider-Man movies have all been done to be in the span of a few months. No way home took place literally right after the last one. So, in a way it is his origin story - his beginning and the start to his long career as the web-slinger. It probably wasn’t even their intent and it was kind of weird to put it into 3 movies, but now with his new identity I am excited for the next ones.
Correction: Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame and an entire trilogy
@@deimos.93 but you can’t only count the trilogy because you need Civil War for Homecoming to make sense and IW and Endgame for FFH to make sense lmao
@@deimos.93 he learned spider sense in infinity war correct me if I’m wrong lol
Exactly.
So many Continuity errors in this movie... Can someone explain to me how did Dr. Octopus know that Norman was Green Goblin??
He knew Norman Osborne was a scientist with a bad reputation, and he knew he died. He found out he was the Green goblin in this movie, it just wasn't focused on because the audience already knew
@@kaicreech7336 that still counts as a Continuity Error my friend! "The Audience knows" is not an explanation! The Audience also knows that Peter Parker is SPIDER-MAN then what's the need to hide his identity. That makes this whole movie pointless 😂😂
@@viggy.s_exe I'm sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you! But I actually said is that the movie didn't focus on Otto reacting to seeing that Norman Osborne is the green goblin, because it wasn't important to the story! But he only says that Norman is a scientist that messes with stuffy shouldn't mess with (true before the goblin accident) and then he sees him walking with some hobo clothes thrown on over the goblin armor. It's pretty self-explanatory.
@@kaicreech7336 Bro your last comment explains 2 things: 1. You didn't understand which scene I'm talking about & 2. You didn't watch the movie carefully yourself
The scene that I'm pointing out is the bridge scene where Green Goblin (in complete arnor with mask) appears only for 2 secs & looking at him Dr. Octopus exclaims "Osborn!". This is also pointed out later in the movie where Peter asks Otto "what did you call that guy?"
@@viggy.s_exe Well, fuck.
hitop films when the mcu movies aren’t the exact same as the raimi films🤬
I wonder if he knows Kevin Feige is also the executive producer of the whole Raimi trilogy.He was on set everyday....
@@diannajennings266 interesting
"Rather than have his mission based in empathy, would rather get rid of these villains, these victims, as soon as possible." Dude. Did you watch a different movie? Yeah that's how peter was AT FIRST, but then when he found out most of them were going to die, he tried to save their lives.
He was too busy watching Spider-Man 2 to pay attention while watching nwh
I think that's the point HitTops was getting at, that it starts out that way, isn't the first half of the video his criticism of the first half of the movie? Or am I reading it wrong?
@@carlweeper7436 This comment made me laugh, that’s all
It doesn’t matter. In that “first half” or whatever you want to call it, Peter is unaware that sending them back to their universes would kill them, but once he finds that out, he immediately wants to help them. I don’t know what more he could have wanted or expected from Peter.
@@Nick-lz5lx Right? Like if the second half of the movie fixes all the issues and actively makes the first half better.... why the complaints? He wanted to send them home asap to try and fix his and his friend's lives, but upon hearing that they would die... he immediately jumped to try and save them, even fighting Dr. Strange to do it. This is the result of someone who lets the Raimi trilogy cloud their judgement over every other Spider-Man film (Newsflash, besides Spider-Man 2, the Raimi trilogy aged like milk and has a lot of issues)
Seeing Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man cry after saving MJ stayed with me. I was just so happy for him.
Each version of Peter should deserve happiness but are (unfortunately) so far away from it.
@@jenniferbolusan2623 Peter 2 (Tobey's) finally achieved happiness though. He's with MJ and still kicks arse as Spider-Man.
@@jakubrejak1114 Forgot that. However, to get there, he needed watching Harry sacrifice himself to have survived for better, tear apart a bunch of relationships while under influence of an alien parasite, realize he accidentally pursued the wrong person who murdered one closest to him, and finally stand there to forgive that actual person that robbed a lot.
@@jenniferbolusan2623 well according to Marc webb, Andrew's Peter is destined to be alone
@@jenniferbolusan2623 It's like they say. No pain, no gain.
Lol, how did HiTop Films not even mention the Netflix Daredevil cameo?????
He's butthurt...nothing about William Dafoe either and he call himself a Raimi fan.
“Sir this is a wendys”
Proof that Hitop Films has sunk his claws way too deep on hating this Spider-Man that he totally misconstrued a major plot point of the movie.
Why would Spider-Man do anything, but send these guys back before he had a complete picture of the situation? He doesn't know any of these villains. All he knows is that their from a different universe, and he has to send them back per DR. STRANGE'S REQUEST. It isn't until he gets Mays perspective on helping Norman, and then learning they all die from their villany that he decides to give them a second chance. How is that Peter having no empathy?
If you're so caught up in finding wrong things in these movies that you missed a major plot point like this, and twisted it to fit into your videos narrative... then... Whats even the point of this video?
@Miles Doyle nice
that's par for the course now
He even started bringing up that they brought back clips from sandman and lizard in the older movies, saying they are proof that the movie needed more time. I'm just sat here like "No, they added those clips because the actors either weren't available or they are much older than they would have been given context of what point in time they travelled to the MCU universe".
In the last movie spiderman supposedly killed mysterio so I feel like his motive to save them was legitimate. To show that he was not a killer even if no one ever found out. This dude dumb af
@Miles Doyle get a life lmao
Did you even watch the movie bruh “Peter wanted to get rid of the villains as soon as possible instead of save them”
His hatred of MCU Spider-Man is blinding him.
@Toad Is Forgotten lol I guess it’s because of the music
@Toad Is Forgotten 😂😂
@Toad Is Forgotten I hate idiots like those comment bro. Literally forget that he said something that he like but just don't watch the whole damn
This is why CZcams should not have removed the dislikes counter. The comments are genuinely more understanding than this guy.
35k likes vs 10k dislikes. There ya go, that's the actual like/dislike ratio.
A lot of people agree or partly agree with him.
I also think Tom H. Spiderman was not as relatable as the other ones and everything was just given to him. But its a different universe, its the avengers universe where every movie follows mostly the same formula, so I guess its fine.
I understand what this dude is trying to say and I might even agree with a lot of his views, but to me, this is it....THIS is the spiderman I wanted to see.
All of the actors gave it their all and the script was way more serious and distant to what the MCU movies usually are. It felt like a proper Spiderman movie.
ps: Get the "Return dislike extension" fam, thank me later!
I agree with the point that the Marvel way of movies hindered this especially in the beginning, but I don't think it was so much that it changed the impact of the film. I also think while it sucks it took them this long to really make him Spiderman, if you look at it more optimistically, this was just his origin story. All Peters have different origins, and Tom's was learning to become "the friendly neighborhood spiderman" only after realizing he needs to stand on his own. It's a completely different approach from Andrew and Tobey and I think that's fine.
I think the whole point was to have him become Spider-Man over the course of those three films. People were very used to Spider-Man becoming exactly as he should be within the very first movie. That wasn’t gonna work with MCU Peter in the grand scheme of things. It made more sense to have him grow over the course of his trilogy the same way they did with iron man, Thor, captain America, etc.
You mentioned a key word: "Optimistically". They absolutely did not plan these 3 movies out. There's no development from Homecoming to Far From home. In FFH they gave us the "he's the next Iron Man" thing only to forget about that in NWH because people were angry and displeased with that. They did make the right decision, but it wasn't planned out, it was a correction almost too late to work but miraculously it kinda did. These 3 movies may look as an unnecessarily long origin story but we all know they shit the bed with the first movies and had to make an U turn. I'm glad we are where we are, but I'm not going to act like they deserve praise for making us wait this long to have a decent Spider Man story and set up.
@@matheusjezini I’m sorry but did you even watch ANY of the MCU Spider-Man movies? They address that in Far From Home, Happy tells Peter he will never be like Tony. His whole arc in FFF was to become independent and have confidence in himself. That is what MCU Spidey struggles with the most and his biggest character flaw, the fact that he has no confidence. He goes from an eager kid who wants to be like everyone around him and be a hero to becoming like everyone around and becoming an adult. His arc to put it simply is the Superhero version of puberty.
@@MarioSonicBee Yeah I think it’s both. They could’ve made the arc more clear, because it does feel like they hadn’t quite figured out how to bring down to earth at first. But at the same time it’s obvious this was a center point of his movies, he needs to learn how to stand on his own. Was it perfect? No, but I do think their overall plan was to have him become the neighborhood Spider-Man in the end.
@@alistocracy well nothing is perfect all you had to do is put biases aside and appreciate the journey, that is what is fun not the end.
“He wants to get them home ASAP” dude did you watch the movie? That’s literally the opposite of what he was trying to do
He doesn't also mention the fact that Peter's entire motivation in this movie is to fix the villains, to turn them back to what they once where. But then ofcourse: "No good deed goes unpunished".
For a Spoiler Review he avoids speaking of pretty much every highlight of the movie especially about Holland's Peter having the need to kill Osborn only to be stopped by Maguire's Peter.
Anger is a layer of the character that despite how much good willed a person is he still remains a human.
Peter Parker smiles, cries and gets mad basically like every other human being, he is flawed and to the brink of ruin he might unwillingly do something that he regrets like almost committing murder.
This moment of the film not being acknowledged at all in his video baffles me.
@@iceuffer i know
@@iceuffer He only made that decision when aunt may convinced him and fought strange otherwise " its not my responsibility".
@@346Yoman yeah because he didn't know any of those villans from the Raimi and Webb universe.
HiTop Films is the JJJ of mcu spiderman...