MARVEL, BRING BACK REAL HELMETS
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- čas přidán 21. 02. 2023
- The MCU has been innovative and has changed the game plenty of times... but currently, it's been slacking a little, especially visually - and other than overdesign and its VFX issues, something that's been quite lackluster is how the characters suit up, or transform. Heck even the process of putting on a helmet or taking it off is boring.. so how did we get here? One word (Or two together?)... Nanotech. Nano-Tech. Nano-whatever. You get what I mean.
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What's cool about Star-Lord's helmet is that you can see the different parts of it being formed at different times. Most nano-tech just instantly engulfs the user.
This,you can see it builds up parts. Others feels more fluid which isn't right
Plus he has to actually activate and deactivate it. Other suits and helmets just appear with no obvious reason why aside from it needs to happen.
I feel like this could all be solved if suits meant for combat had to have physical helmets because they don’t have to move like a cloth and can be solid to provide a lot more protection, which is really important for the head. And Star-Lords helmet as an example wouldn’t need to be physical since it’s more like a space survival tool than a combat suit. This would make a lot of sense for black panther where his whole suit is basically vibranium cloth that needs to be able to move with his body while the helmet is completely rigid and unchanging so it could be made out of really thick and dense vibranium to properly protect his head.
Yet it still reads as 'brief cartoon moment without any physical weight to it' - it's not as lazy as many of the others, but it's still a pretty lazy solution that drags you out of the moment and makes you go 'ah, computer animation thingie'.
You also see where the nano-tech is stored. It's an earpiece that has a button you press. We see him take it off and give it to Gamora. It doesn't appear out of nowhere.
Don’t you love when the hero’s helmet materializes only for it to disappear two seconds later because for some reason we always need to see the actor’s face
No Way Home is notoriously guilty about this. I love seeing the 3 spidermen but i hated them removing their masks in front of each villain they faced.
@@marssamuelzacarias8375 i mean..both 2 other spidermen were not from that universe so their secret identity was not a concern to them whatsoever [also to make the most out of their cameo contract] and as for tom, his identity was already blown eitherway but i do agree masks on are way cooler
The reason the MCU does this is because they are bad writers. It's a way to explain how they can do anything without changing their suits.
It's their MacGuffin. Marvel hired hacks around 2016 or so, hence we are getting bad cgi movies, no real conflicts.
@@Mark_Knight What? That makes no sense. You don't need to write a suit change into a movie. It wouldn't change the script.
@@jeremyorth5138 The video literally goes into the mask and suit changes and reasons for it, minus the poor writers abilities.
Deadpool did pretty good job with masks/helmets. Dude wears it almost whole movies, but you still can hear and feel Ryan Reynolds acting. Also, I think Deadpools mask pretty expressive.
Can't have that when actors turn into A listers and they must show their face to justify being there. Reynolds is indeed amazing in that sense.
@@ArnoldsKtm Deadpool is perfect for this though cause there is no real A-list actor’s face to show! Just a scared up deformed mess of one!
Deadpool has the advantage that he's a goofy, fourth-wall-breaking character. This means that when the 'eyes' of his mask move like real eyes so he can emote with them, nobody questions it too much.
Imagine if, say, Scott's visor deformed into an eyebrow raise - it'd be strange, to say the least.
@@trianglemoebius visor? No. Mask made of fabric? Yes.
You made incorrect example. Let's instead of solid visor take fabric mask of first Spider-Man movies with Tobey, there you could easily edit them to be more expressive.
That is how Spider-Man's mask should always be except, you know, it looks like Spider-Man.
No Way Home managed to bring back the novelty to nanotech during the Doc-Ock fight. Doc notes how impressive the technology is, clearly thinking his Peter has upped the ante, and then, going for the kill after stripping some of the nanotech away, the armor moves to protect Peter’s chest. By doing so, though, Peter’s face is revealed and Doc is stunned. Additionally, the nanotech fleeing onto the arms moves the plot forward by being the catalyst to Doc’s capture. That is how you incorporate nanotech into storytelling
Yea and at the end Peter makes his own suit not out of nanotech and no one knows his identity so his issues with that go out the window cause the same movie fixed it lol
Lol no its still crap
@@calypso "Let me just hate on something without backing up my claim. Surely that explains my point."
@@calypsothe ratio is insane 💀
@@ProcyonNite fun fact: people are allowed to have opinions.
edit: the human need to ratio others for their internet points to get a sense of superiority never ceases to disappoint me.
Let’s not forget the scene in AntMan when Scott is handcuffed in the backseat and has to wedge his way into the helmet. The lack of instant nano-helmet made for a more intense, pressing moment
Yeah it worked so well
Yeah no, no normal person would allow that shit happen again. If you were a hero and that happened you wouldn't be like oh yeah lemme let this happen again for a more pressing moment.
@@staple_boi you serious right now? Well for one you're acting as if this is real life. This is literal fiction where characters let things that shouldn't happen, happen on the daily, and two it's for storytelling and narrative elements. There's a reason people loved the old Marvel movies, it actually had good story elements.
@@staple_boi me when i demand media have zero narrative signifigance so that the fictional characters in it live comfortably
@@arnelcabusao8729 By your logic why would Tony upgrade his suit, its not real life - he's not any mortal danger and may need to take on tougher, stronger threats. Why would spiderman build better tech, its not real life - its not like he's in situations where certain gadgets would come in handy . Why would any sane person in a movie stick their hand in fire, its not real life - they're fictional characters, no harm will come to them. You wanna talk about story elements but forgo letting characters grow, adapt and learn from previous dangers. "Oh no, John's running into another spike trap! It'll be more twice more "pressing" as the first pitfall!" - That's this thread in a nutshell; wanting the same thrills twice.
I love how NanoTech only used for superhero costume, but not for like CURING CANCER or literally anything else than superhero costumes.
Didn’t Shuri try this with T’Challa?
@@nyehu09 Don’t think it went that way. Pretty sure she was trying to recreate the plant they used in the first Black Panther to save him.
@@vendettatamsu3662 OHH RIIIGGHHT RIGHT RIGHT 😅
@@DavidOG. 🤨
Stark invented that already, the same device they used to create Vision
What's often overlooked is how good Andrew Garfield was also in acting as Spider-man in both the ASM movies with the mask on. You could really see that each scene whenever he has the mask on, he tries his best to convey what Spidey is actually feeling about the situation with solely depending on his voice and body language.
Best example that I’ve ever seen. He’s by far the best actor to play Spider-Man. You can’t tell when he’s going through all the emotions even without the use of moving lenses!
@@naplem2476yeah he’s very good at portraying his emotions with all his body language aswell
That really is the best example but even Tobey's spider could convey a lot of emotion with body language, and when body language wasn't enough they would just make him get so beat up that half his mask would be torn and we could see some of his face. It's so weird how the oldest examples are the best and movies just seem to be getting worse, directors are just super lazy nowadays.
What happens when you actually get a talented actor, a great writer, and a director who puts storytelling and character above the cinematography and merchandise
like when gwen secretly comes with him, andrew still has the mask on but you can just SEE and HEAR the panic and stress in him (especially with the way he circles around and puts his hands on his head)
My favorite example of covering an actors face while retaining emotion/drama is darth Vader’s reaction while Luke is being shocked by the emperor. They never show Vader’s face before this but you can still see how broken and sad he feels when talking to Luke about how it’s too late for him.
Because when practical effects and blue screen were all you had, actors had to, well, ACT. And strangely enough the Original Trilogy is pretty slow compared to modern movies.
The original trilogy has a bunch of those with Vader. How about his reaction when the Millennium Falcon jumps into hyperspace in Empire?
It was greet
It's also not just about nanotech helmets, it's also about the actors constantly removing them in the middle of combat. This happened so often in Ant-Man 3, Scott and Cassie were constantly removing their helmets in the middle of a fight, it doesn't make sense, the helmet is there to protect your face.
That bothered me the entire time I was watching Antman 3. Cassie and Scott would remove their helmets like damn near every time they spoke.
"I believe this is yours Captain America". Ant Man to Cap handing back his shield without showing his face. That was a perfect scene too, it's not like Paul Rudd needs to show his face to act that scene out. And literally a few scenes later in battle, Iron Man no longer takes his helmet off and it's all in-helmet footage.
I think MCU have just given up on stuff like that, OR the Russo Brothers actually cared.
Also aren’t they supposed to stay helmeted while giant/ant sized to avoid….dying?
I think the whole "actors can't act with helmets thing" is more about vanity of wanting to be seen. Just look at Last of Us as great as Pedro Pascal is in Mandalorin he doesn't wear a gas mask in the show. The director literally siad this.
@@daylanbrawley631 that's what I thought too
Another reason why the nanotech works in Infinity War/Endgame is that we SAW the progression of Tony’s tech in every movie he was in. The suitcase suit in Iron Man 2, the capsule suit in Avengers 1, the Mark 42 in Iron Man 3, and finally the nanotech in Infinity War. We saw the progression of his tech as it got more advanced in each film, and so when he finally had instantaneous nanotechnology, it felt earned because that was the natural endpoint he was reaching for. But going from Ant-Man 2, where the suit is a physical thing that has to be put on, to Ant-Man 3 where it can just morph around people for seemingly no reason is just really lame.
Stark cracked nanotech. good for him. But that doesn't mean that once the technology is out in the open other people can't use it. Nevermind that most people that use it probably had their gear built by stark.
Dude your so right! It's almost like if someone invented the light bulb and everyone doesn't use it apart from the inventor. I love your logic!!
I agree but it looks bad
Not just that, but also the insane durability the suit has. Even iron man's most advanced suits get real damage, but antman? Literally untouched the entire movie. Same with other superheros
Classical MCU ended after Endgame. Antman 3 and Doctor Strange 2 are among the worst written films I've seen in years.
The "nano-tech-everywhere" issue could be great material for the Apocalypse scenario, where most nanites go rogue and want to devour the world.
Go watch Generator Rex (if you can find it), it's basically exactly that.
That's only possible with self-replicating nanites though, which these aren't.
Sort of like how Ultimate Alliance 2 handled it, they were using nanites to control villains and the nanites began to form their own consciousness and tried to take over the world
Andrew Garfield portrayed emotions so good with his mask on in tasm series. No mechanical lenses, no nothing. Only body language and change in voice
Mechanical lenses are a REALLY nice part of the MCU Spider-Man though. Using the eyes as emotion indicators like his comic and cartoon versions makes perfect sense.
Best example of this is the bridge scene in tasm 1. You can see emotions rush through him whe the dad thanks him and he says I'm Spider-Man for the first time.
@@IliadicYeah I agree. But I kinda dont like the MCU suites. The design is good, top notch. But the texture......plane, no texture to begin with, non reflective. Kinda reminds me of rugs tbh
@@devyadav3273 Yeah I agree. I also loved that interaction between Gwen and Pete just before the Electro fight
Knifes are my weakness😢😢😢
*shoots web*
Ha! That was so easy🙂
The presence of nanotechnology made everything feel so shiny and easy, which is a huge far cry for how physical and imperfect the Iron Man suit felt in the first movies.
Exactly!
But isn't that how its supposed to be as Tony makes new technology to make his suits better? That's why Riri's first suit in Wakanda Forever works. It was also made out of a bunch of stuff and she didn't have the resources or wealth either.
it makes sense for him to be able to have it but not all the others I mean, as their suits got damaged, they would run out of nanotechnology. And they would not have the means to repair it. And as for like self repair, I highly doubt he would implement that, because he's already had one rogue AI situation. I highly doubt he would have wanted the risk a. Rogue nanite situation.
@@admiralkaede thats true and is the actual problem with all the other nano suits compared to iron man's. durability*
we saw the problem in endgame and infinity war, ironman's nano suit is less durable than a solid one which give it a weakness, but all the other nano suits seem to be somehow impervious to damage and can never run out of nanobots, even if the user isn't carrying around a tub of metal to replenish it.
But the mark 2 through series was extremely tanky.
I think Marvel has forgotten that helmets exist.
They also forgot how to make good movies 😹
I remember when a big part of a superhero movies was the main character having to create his suit… now it’s all given to them - - and don’t say “No Way Home” cos he spent 6 movies with suits being handed to him without needing to make his own.
@@firstlast9846 Yeah, the epic moment where the guy shows up with a suit because they have earned it, and they have an excellent scene.
Like, I enjoyed Quantumania, but they could have made Cassie's first suit up seem epic, or even earned. Maybe even having a reference to when she said "I could be your super partner"
@@NoNonsenseSpider chill this isn’t Dc yeah is it endgame type of movies left in right no but it ain’t shit 🤣
@@NoNonsenseSpider lol
For Tony it actually made sense with his nanotech because we as the audience have seen his trial and error and growth to make the ironman suits and after around 15-20 years of making them it would've made sense in Tony Stark's character to have nanotech. although for other characters besides maybe Black Panther its just used as a Vanity thing. Not counting Spider-man's iron spider suit because that was made by Tony aswell. It was believable before.
I don't think it makes sense for him to use nanotechnology. In a realistic perspective, nano tech would be ridiculously weak and flimsy for armor purposes because it isn't made of chemical bonds, and so why would the tech genius make a suit that's an absolute downgrade from his previous ones?
@@oatmealman1586 I mean it is a movie sometimes it's better to just turn off your brain and enjoy instead of overanalyzing everything also in marvel nanomachines are like alien tech or super advanced even Starlords Helmet in movie and comics used nanotech
I wish there were downsides to using the nanotech suits, so they were only used for specific situations. Tony used to have many different iron man suits for different situations and it was cool to see that. Would be cool if Spider-Man used his normal suit most of the time and only used the nano suit for specific things
Yeah Iron Man just kinda has 1 or 2 suits per movie and it's not interesting
Come on don't tell me your only contingency was "the hulk"
There's so much opportunity to sell toys here come on!
The original Iron Legion literally was Tony’s contingency plan thanks to his paranoia after the first Avengers movie
And his only other suit was made to combat the hulk
I don’t know why it never occurred to Tony that the possibility of other characters turning against the team would be there, considering they once had to deal with a mind controlled Hawkeye, once had to fight Thor, and had constant conflict with Steve
I mean I don’t want it to be a Batman thing where he has plans for every member, but if even comic stark went as far as the Thorbuster, it doesn’t seem far off
Having the nanotech disintegrate when exposed to an EMP
@@ryon5174Batman has the hell-bat suit which is the most powerful suit used to fight darkseid. It has negative effects when used for a long period of time so he uses it only when extremely necessary
I like the way Moonknight’s suit “appears out of nowhere” because it takes time to wrap and seal around his body and almost looks like it’s being summoned from within himself. It’s magical and powered by a god, so there’s some freedom there, but the way it’s done it felt more tangible and creative than nanotech. Also I don’t think it would be that efficient or make much sense for him to take an hour wrapping himself in regular bandages and armor every time he wants to suit up lmao. His is one of the few whose suits and powers feel fitting for the character/plot
He is the one that gets closest to a transformation sequence like a magical girl. In a way it is almost like he is being forcibly transformed with how they handle it, which is fitting given he was forced into the role of moonknight.
Definitely inspired by sailor moon. If you watch the bandaged wrap in the same way as sailor moon.
Yea it made total sense to me
Yeah fr it’s cool, and the mask doesn’t constantly disappear and reappear every time he talks during the fights, and Steven actually physically takes off the suits jacket the first time he fights with it and like tosses it aside and rolls up his sleeves. Imagine how lame it would have been if the jacket just disappeared and his sleeves went up
his suit is one of the best
Andrew Garfields acting in tasm2 with his suit on is a prime example that you dont need to see his face to feel his frustration with Gwen. As well his desperation when shooting his web to save her from falling.
he didn’t even have the moving eye lens! and you could still feel every emotion he was trying to portray. that’s good acting
@@singulariteas When he was watching gwen from a building too. Marvel and their directors tend to forget there's more ways to show a character's emotion other than a face.
Fr
Andrew were different 😂, he is still the bestest Spiderman that sony had
Yeah, amazing body language and distress in his voice. He had more emotion than tom holland's spider suit eyes that can squint lmao
Din Djarin from the Mandalorian and Master Chief from Halo are great examples of characters who obscure their face but still act well. I also found myself thinking of V for Vendetta. The audience NEVER gets to see V's face, not even once, but he conveys emotions quite well.
And Judge Dredd!
The Halo series notwithstanding
@@richborn6700 I've made a point of not watching it lol
@@Liquorice_Monster Good call lol. I watched it out of mild curiosity and couldn't make it past episode 4. Bastardization of the Halo setting and its characters aside, the show has extremely bad pacing and structure problems. It follows this sort of A-B-A-B formula where you get one episode dedicated entirely to the main characters (John Halo & Co.) where all the major plot points happen, and then the next episode is dedicated solely to this one Korean lady colonist and her story against the not-Space Nazis. It's the most boring and uneventful sci-fi I've ever seen. Might as well be watching static white noise.
i'd put darth vader in there as well he wore a helmet for most of the original trilogy only showing the back of his head in empire strikes back and his face during his death and he is the most iconic movie villain of all time. you could feel his anger his sadness everything without seeing david prowse's face.
that's why i love the end of no way home in which he actually sews(is it sews? idk) his own suit, it's also a metaphor for him losing everyone around him, he now needs to do everything himself so he goes back to basic creating his own suit with nothing but some fabric i love it
It's a big plot hole is what it is. Where did Peter Parker get the skills to sew a suit perfectly like that? We never saw him train to do that.
@@Carabas72 I just figure it’s another power he got from his spider bite. Spiders weave webs, it kinda makes sense that Peter would be able to sew and stuff.
In fact, doesn’t pretty much every iteration of spider man make their own suit at some point?
@@darthgonk1175
The main comics Spider-Man, the original, got his costume from a wrestling organisation. So do most comics versions of Peter Parker.
The Toby McGuire Spider-Man just suddenly has a suit that came from nowhere.
@@Carabas72 alright then. But doesn’t it still make sense for a character with spider based powers to be good at weaving and the like?
@@darthgonk1175
Only for the versions that have actual web powers instead of mechanical webshooters.
What's bugs me about the magic helmet (or whatever) is that it appears out of nowhere. It's not stored anywhere on the body; it doesn't come from a storage area. It just generates out of thin air. And when it disappears, nothing on the body expands to store it.
The ones in Quantumania seem to be stored in the back of the collar of the suit though.
But beyond that, there's more or less some explanation to every single 'magic helmet' that this seems like a kinda mid nitpick imo. If we don't want to just say "Oh, it's Stark tech" for the non-galactic/future stuff and magic stuff, say the Ant-Man suits (can't count spidey since the iron spider literally is Stark tech-and on that note, saying "we're done with Stark tech" when Tony had such a massive influence on Peter sounds kinda disingenuous and very un-Peter-like. Though now that he's societally anonymous, there's maybe a chance it isn't coming back since maintaining it without Stark Tech might come with major difficulty?), you could easily explain the 'magic helmet' via Pym Particles, it's Ant-Man's whole shtick of resizing things, pretty reasonable to say that if it isn't some form of Stark tech leftover from Endgame, Hank maybe figured out an improvement to the suits using his own tech.
Wakandans, they're technologically advanced and Stark nanotech is based off their technology.
Jane's Thor helmet, I can understand that gripe, but the entirety of her costume comes from Mjolnir and magically appears on her whenever she wields Mjolnir, if it can magically appear... cuz well, literally Asgardian magic, why shouldn't it be able to magically disappear too?
I'm sure the creator's a good content creator but, watching it through I don't really see what the problem is, more that it seems a problem's being made for the sake of having one. It's not like we don't have heroes with the classic sort of suit, we had the Black Widow prequel, Shang-Chi, (as much as I find Riri boring in both the comics and the movie) the Iron Heart prototype before she got Wakandan tech...
and for the stuff slated in this phase, I assume Blade won't be magicking on a suit, and if the Fantastic Four end up doing it, Reed Richard's meant to be the smartest man on the world... despite how smart he was against Wanda.
But yeah, if the director wants to show the face of an actor as much as possible, sure? None of them are really trying to hide their identities (at the time), after all. It doesn't have to necessitate on being good or bad, so much as it's just a thing, what real harm is it bringing by itself? I can see the issue of Marvel as a whole in its wishy washiness that he pointed out with tight schedules and last minute changes, but if we want to call the 'magic helmet' the emergency bandaid for that, I don't think it's right to blame the solution instead of the actual root problem.
Really this bugs you? You probably need medication if this really bugs you.
So true it comes from nowhere. I really love spiderman since the first movie,but after this iron spidey suit (that comes from nowhere) I feel really stupid of watching these movies.
I don't know, maybe it's just me and I'm fucking stupid. I hate this nanotech thing.
@@baytownoutlaw9992 Guess people flying, shrinking and reversing time is also bugging him 😅
You just explained nanotech
Absolutely agree. Black Panther's suit in Civil War was dope as hell, and seeing it be turned into a nano pop-in suit with bad cgi made my heart sink.
The nanotech thing was believable in civil war too, I was under the impression that it hardened and bulked after he put it on. When they made the new ones for the standalones, they were constantly skintight like spandex. I just feel like armorers or warriors wouldn't do that, because a bullet hitting essentially a layer of hard material over your skin would hurt like hell. It needs bulk, weight.
@@1597B black Panther can be an exception because the bullets' kinetic energy is used to charge his suit
@@luckyizzac True, his suit does absorb the kinetic energy. But it brings me back to that 'bulk' thing. Recall the civil war scene, he takes off his helmet and you can see the thickness of the suit he's wearing, and how it rides up his neck like metal armor from the past. It looks practical. But the new ones, it's practically a skintight layer and that's it. Hell, even highlights some bodily features if you watch the second BP. It doesn't look or feel protective, it's just bulletproof because vibranium.
@@1597B i mean, if the material can absorb kinetic energy you don't need bulk at all, nor it needs to be like a medieval armor. quite the opposite, the updgrade should be a suit that's as light as possible. no matter the design, the bulk it's useless on a vibranium suit
@@1597B I think that the skintight thing makes him more flexible, and unlike iron man, who uses his suit to enhance his movements, black Panther completely depends on his muscle movement.
the original incredibles literally lectured us for thinking suit designs didn't matter
Reminds me of the quote “Less is more” because as much as having more of everything is pretty cool, what’s also cool is the ability to make something from nothing or making use of the least and bringing the most of weaknesses and issues
For acting- in Tasm2 Garfield proved that mask on acting can be just as potent. Great example with Mando as well.
Exactly!
I think it's because Andrew Garfield has a background in theatre. Theatre requires a lot of "body acting", for lack of a better term, since you usually can't see the performance faces closely. Even with his mask on, Andrew's Peter is very emotive with the way he acts.
Exactly what I thought
Awh man, I’m glad you said that. The way they captured emoting through his mask was great, because they’d use his body language and clever zooms, tilts and pans on his face to convey an emotion. We knew if he was surprised, angry, focused, etc, without the fancy shutters that Holland got.
The batman, Rob Pattinson has his mask almost the whole movie, he used his eyes and it was enough
I always loved how Ben 10 used to turn into aliens by the Omnitrix everytime! The transform sequence is still second to none!
Ikr
the cool down mechanic always mad me frustrated as a kid, but now being older, it's made me appreciate ben as someone who didn't always rely on his aliens for everything, and grew up more mature because of his limitations on transformations
and wildmutt and ghostfreak's transformations were the dopest
aliens coming out from Ben's body were so cool. i used to get disgusted by it but it was so awesome when all came together.
Man I miss that show
I like the idea of the nanotech being kept somewhere on the body. That way you can make it so that it’s possible for the characters to lose their suits. Then you can build a point around them trying to build a temporary suit until they can get their regular one. Most of these issues are t things can’t can’t be translated to nanotechnology. It’s just that the way marvel uses it doesn’t carry the same emotional weight.
It'd be cool to see a hero getting whatever they store the nanites in be knocked away before they're able to suit up and they have to make do and only just barely reach in time
It’s obvious iron mans nanotech suit comes out from his arc reactor he has on his chest in infinity war.
I want to see Ant Man's nanite suit be pieced together by thousands of tiny ants swarming him real quick like. Same for Wasp. Double if Scott screams "antvengers, assemble" at some point.
I love that the Mandalorian has an actual helmet. And he can freakin' emote the entire show (except for a few moments) with his helmet on. Mando is basically what Master Chief should've been in the Halo tv show.
Man, Master Chief mucked up big time...
Yeah but nanotechnology doesn't exist in Star Wars.
@@multiversalrevanWait for it... 😂
@@clashcon11 I am pretty it does exist actually. Ahsoka got framed for using nano droids to bomb the Jedi temple.
@@multiversalrevan nano droids are just really small droids not they same thing
It's amazing how in the original Iron Man back in the day when people were still using flip phones, the suit up scene looks so much better then the recent nanotechnology suit ups.
Because you can actually see like the gears working, the metal fitting, pistons firing. It's actually amazing and still holds up to this day.
Nowadays we got go go gadget suit.
You also have the transformer movie to thank for the moving gears thing
1 word, practical, you make the suit they put it on an boom you get what you see, with these nanotech suits theres so much naturality in the suits that you lose, wrinkles, tone, shape, like you said the motors of the weapons etc, the second you add cgi it lowers detail on the suit and it always looks worse, like antman clicking open his helmet in his first movie looks sick, its the type of helmet a fan would want to buy and wear because its mechanisms look cool, nanotech unless it fits is just shit like kang is perfect, hes from the future let him have nanotech, but why does lady thor have it? last i checked thor has to take his helmet off
I always thought none of the subsequent Iron Man suits looked as good as the ones in Iron Man (2008) or the first Avengers.
@@KondoAeros you can even see the same thing happening in transformers 4 where the transformers are just a big lump of nanotechy thing that assembles out of bloba.
The first Iron man was a big part of why I wanted to join the VFX industry as a kid. It's really sad what it's become but hey more jobs I guess...
tom holland said that whenever he acts as spiderman with the mask on, he acts way more exaggerated where if he wasn't wearing the spiderman suit, he'd look like a crazy person but since we cant see his face it makes sense and we never really notice that he emotes so much with his hands and body
My nephew and niece rewatch the phase 1-3 movies a ton, so that question on the first appearance of nanotech was an easy grab!
Btw, the remark about a "whole transformation sequence" is what made Iron Man's entrance in Infinity War so great, imo. He gets a slow-mo walk forward to a charging hulk of an enemy, and his glasses dissolve to become part of his right-hand repulsor as his suit covers him. You can see the individual bits and pieces forming before the red and gold cover them, and the entire sequence is phenomenal to me.
This same argument can be applied to Transformers. Transformers can easily transform instantly or off screen when the plot or film wants to, but in scenes where they are introduced, like the iconic Optimus Prime scenes, the transformations are shown slowly and each gadget inside their bodies are shown with sound design and vfx details. It gives them an element of epicness
No? When they're fighting they're usually robots and when they're not they're cars. They're not changing every 2 minutes.
@@l0sts0ul89 Yes? Starscream does it in basically all of his fights and the entire third act of Transformers 3 is filled with Autobots constantly switching back and forth, particularly when fighting Sentinel.
Watching the Devastator transformation scene in Transformers 2 at IMAX is one of the best visual experience I've ever had. I was like "holy fuck that robot is gonna eat the entire fucking pyramid".
@@l0sts0ul89 even when they are no transforming constantly they are mechanical, and they use the ability to transform in action sequences. In the first transformers there is a scene were Megatron transforms mid run amongst the chaos, Starscream is often half transformed and many scenes start with a Transformer using the momentum from the transformation process to throw an attack. And then Transformers also got their own nanotech with Galvatron and the smart alloy Transformers who could just becomes a cloud of particles. There is a fun comparison, in one of the first 3 movies there is a scene where one of the autobots begins to drift, transforms to lose the sideways momentum by braking with its legs and skeletal compression and then transforms again into the car going in a direction that is aprox 90 degrees from the original. There is the same scene in T4 where one of smart alloy transformers begins to drift, then just becomes a cloud and reforms around the corner. One of those is so much more satysfing. And those movies are made by Micheal Bay, who lets be honest is not a great director, and yet he understood it for a while(then you know, someone said that CGI is expensive)
@@excusemewhatthefuck8091 the balls was a bit stupid tho like seriously? Fricking michael bay and his decisions.
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER
i personally love that moment in Civil War where Chadwick actually has to physically remove his helmet in order to talk to Zemo. It gave the Black Panther suit so much more tangibility compared to what it is now.
when they felt like real films, crazy how even asking for that is somehow impossible
in the beginning of black panther when they took his helmet away, i was so annoyed, i loved his helmet
The first BP suit was perfection.
actually pretty much the only thing i disagree with in this video. I really think nanotech works SO well specifically for black panther, idk why, but im glad he got it early.
you personally love that moment, but i remmeber as a kid, i liked it more when black panther put on the cool nano tehcnology suit on the way to kick killmonger's ass. im justsaying, let the kids have what thjey want
I like when the A-list actors like Reynolds' Deadpool and Tobey/Andrew's Spiderman keep the fucking masks on and don't remove them for no reason other than "shit we can't act without facial expressions, body language is too hard!"
I think one of the only cases where a suit/mask just 'appearing' works well is actually in Moon Knight. It's not nanotech, but it has the same concept of being able to be called at any given moment and recalled very quickly and with general ease. The reason it works in Moon Knight though is that it's a proper, acknowledged plotpoint, and there's also the question of *who* the suit is actually going to go on- Steven, Marc or Jake. It can use the full transformation animation for dramatic effect if Marc's about to kick ass, a quick camera pan or fade to black for Jake, or a sudden shift for comedic effect with Steven. Although the woes of 'no secret identities' still exists, it's not as pointed in Moon Knight because there are other interesting plot points to focus on with him (all of the avatar shit, steven's private life being the equivalent of the groups' 'secret identity', etc). If you take away the secret identity plot point from Spider Man, it becomes very hard to fill that space with another, just as interesting, point of conflict. If Moon Knight had come out sooner, when the 'magic suit' wasn't as standard through the MCU via nanotech, I feel like the character would've been a lot more successful.
When Scott opens the helmet in Ant Man 1 to say “hi, I’m Scott” it’s one of the smoothest and crispiest helmet openings I’ve ever heard. It’s sad to see what it’s become☹️
Seriously! So boring!!
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I think it works for Tony because throughout the films we see him improve and counter the flaws of his suits, but with nearly every character having nanotech makes Tony less impressive.
yup agreed, and i'd argue the iron spider BECAUSE Tony made it around the same time that he probably made that IW iron man suit and was like eh fuck it i'll give it to him too. BUT it would be cool af if they ever made a classic comic accurate iron spider suit, for him to actually have to disassemble the pieces lol cuz this nanotech shit is just marvel being lazy buying costumes etc . like ffs in no way home tobey didnt even have a mask it was all cgi XD. its not hard to sew a mask
But he invented nanno technology? Wouldn't it make sense that other people would use it too? I mean if someone invented something so advanced and effetient for battle why wouldn't they use it too?
@@glocktop916 that would apply only if Tony invented nanotech and made it publicly available to the point where people like cops or firefighters or soldiers would use nanotech. Like if it was normal for nanotech to be worn by people in dangerous or combat situations. That’s not the case however. Nanotech is now only worn by superheroes that have no business possessing nanotech in their suits.
Tony also has those crazy technological floating touch screens that no one else has. And that says something about him as a character. Not every superhero has that technology and that’s fine because they don’t all face the same challenges
@@glocktop916 Did you... actually watch Iron Man 1 or Iron Man 2 or Captain America: The Winter Soldier or Captain America: Civil War?
Tony refused to weaponize and profit off of his Arc Reactor, understanding what it's capable of, Stane stole his and turned into the Iron Monger.
Tony refused to hand his shit over to the Government, fearing they'd do what Stane did, on a massive geopolitical scale. Vanko created his own off of blueprints and became Whiplash, and gave Hammer the means to create his drone army.
Hydra (as SHIELD) was working on those mass surveillance helicarriers, under the guise of "Freedom". Cap was quick to point out that this kind of power is not only overkill, but also not upholding freedom, but forcing people to fear. Taking away their free will.
Civil War was literally the culmination of these three conflicts, wherein Tony sees the Avengers as too volatile to be out on their own, needing regulation and to be reined in, while Cap sees the Avengers as the best case judge for protecting the world.
The entire crux of these films is the idea that with great power comes great responsibility.
It's why people have such a gripe with Tony handing Peter those EDITH glasses-- Peter's just a kid and shouldn't have access to this kind of tech.
All that to say, if Tony cracked Nanotech, it specifically makes sense that ONLY he and a select few other characters can utilize it, all of whom are either around his level of intellect, or simply have access to advanced technology surpassing even Tony's. Kang and Shuri being notable ones.
Because if just ANYONE can access it, we hit the problem with Vulture's crew in Homecoming, where eventually these regular goons can have access to destructive alien tech.
Not only does this provide a narrative pustule throbbing in the side of the MCU's more street-based heroes' stories, but it also removes any semblance of visual and narrative uniqueness that Tony, Kang, and Shuri, have with their nanotech.
Like making everyone into sarcastics like ony, its not special
I very distinctively remember the Loki suit up in the Ultron movie
It was cool because it made scene
"I can can pick up a pencil, say it's name is Steve and *snaps pencil*"
"AH-"
Definitely empathy
One of my favorite moments in the MCU was in Civil War, when T'Challa slowly put down his helmet while confronting Zemo. It was a small but impactful moment (for me) because it added humility to an otherwise powerful hero.
indeed. It really conveys that T'Challa was putting his guard down, and approaching Zemo as a fellow human, rather than a hunting hunter. To me taking off a mask/helmet in itself is acting.
@@zahrulexe Exactly. It was an act of vulnerability and humility, which was an enormous contrast to the way he was presented previously: as a vengeful, dangerous, and almost otherworldly presence.
That moment would not have had the same impact if the helmet was part of nanotech
Yeah, he put down his helmet is more like symbolic, no harm approach kind of...
You forgot to mention Hugo Weaving's performance in V for Vendetta. His Shakespearean act in that film was superb, the amount of emotion he conveyed with just his voice and body language was phenomenal, I've never seen anything like that.
And a lot of that movie isn't him under the mask either, it's either a Stuntman or the original actor for V (James Purefoy) that was recast
@@Whiteythereaper Yeah, but I'm referring to the simple scenes in the movie: when V introduce himself to Evey (which is priceless), the two watching a movie together, when he confronts his foes, his famous speech on the news channel... the non action part of the movie, that's when the actor's performance really shines.
I love that movie too.
Tranformers 4 has nano before Guardians.
Thank God someone brought this to the table! V for Vendetta is an all time favourite of mine. And yes, bring back real helmets and masks.
it really annoyed me how dr fates entire deal is that he's possessed when he's got the helmet on but he freely took it off 10 seconds into every fight and kept fighting in black adam
My complain is why they unecessarily keep taking off helmet or masks, like in Infinity War and EndGame Ironman and Spider-man keeps on taking or turning it off during the battle
Let’s just hope Spider-Man keeps his new suit with a real mask and he keeps his identity a secret
Considering its still the MCU in control of the movies I highly highly doubt it won't be another cartoon suit for another decade
For once i wanna see a practical spidey suit in a movie
@@Coolgamer54321 I would argue that they’ve learned to be more careful with how they treat spidey in the movies now, seeing how they went the more traditional comic route with him. It’s the other characters that aren’t gonna be done Justice.
@@sadchild9478 In NWH sure I get that, but his presentation was still lackluster I hope they do what’s always worked with Spider-Man films
Just a nice continuity detail. I think how Dr.Strange's spell works is that the suit will "forget" peter and won't let him use it.
Genuinely surprised that you didn't mention the Hulkbuster fight in Age of Ultron while mentioning Iron Man's dilemma of needing to interchange parts. Tony had to pilot an unmanned drone nearby that would send him new parts to replace the ones the hulk would destroy. It kept pace for awhile until the Hulk broke the drone, which forced Tony to level a building on top of them in order to knock him out. It was basically an analogue version of Tony's fight with Thanos in Infinity War.
That fight was probably my favorite fight in the MCU
You can see the same thing happen with the transformer films. The first film they all slowly turned into their human form and you could see all of the cool details and then after that it’s either instant or they don’t even bother showing the transformation. So I guess the same thing is happening in way more films than just the Marvel ones
If only moon knight had to wrap himself in toilet paper every time he wanted to transform.
The worst part about the nano-tech helmets is that they kindly groom the user's hair when they dissolve away. No helmet hair on these people. In fact, their hair looks just as flawless through the visors. lol
A very good point...I imagine that's why Tony would never grow his hair out
I guess Kimberly *didn’t* have to worry about it after all
It’s also weird to me that they don’t make a gesture when they nanotech the mask off a lot of the time. Like they press a button to initiate the change but the suit somehow knows when they need to remove the helmet (plot of course) and they don’t even need to press a button to do . But we’ve seen countless time that they need to press a button to remove the suit.That always bothered me cause we never see or hear about some mental link with the suits.
“Oh its Ai son”
I hate this lazy excuse
@@H2GKursusOnline “NANO MACHINE SON THEY HARDEN IN RESPONSE TO PHYSICAL TRAUMA"
There is an argument for Black Panther and Wakanda. In the Black Panther movie, the necklace holding the nanotechnology is controlled via the Kimoyo Beads. It links to their minds to control the suit.
Also, the heat shaped herb and the power it grants also help us understand more. The vibranium and Shuri as well.
Therefore, I think Black Panther and a SELECT few should have nanotech, but I agree with the main points
Even today you can have tech that can respond without pressing buttons, it is pretty trivial compared to nanotechnology and quantum realms
Like Starlord?
I want starlord to finally get his true comic book helmet without his hair showing on the outside
James Gunn hated the starlord helmet and couldn't wait to be rid of it for good in Guardian's 3.
This is why Disney needs to change by giving their filmmakers full creative freedom so we can have great movies with distinct visual styles, creative and consistent stories and character development again. Every single MCU project looks the same with the bland earthen look, aspect ratio, the generic quips and cringe jokes, tonally inconsistent stories, excessive CGI and toxic female characters where the DCEU's movies, while not all of them are great, each have a filmmaker's style. The MCU needs more experienced directors like Sam Mendes, Bong Joon-Ho, Guillermo del Toro, Christopher McQuarrie, the Daniels, the Wachowski Sisters, the Coen Brothers, Peter Jackson, Jordan Peele, Greta Gerwig, Ari Aster, Robert Eggers, Kathryn Bigelow, Matt Reeves, Boots Riley, Matthew Vaughn, James Cameron, David Cronenberg, Ridley Scott, Gore Verbinski, Neill Blomkamp, Andy Muschietti, Alex Garland, Guy Ritchie, David Yates, James Wan and Leigh Whannell so each movie has its own distinct style. For example, I want Christopher Nolan to do an MCU project. The writing in his movies is always great, a distinct visual style, quotable dialogue and amazing practical effects. As we all know, Nolan likes to do things for real. If you watch a behind the scenes video of Dunkirk, you’ll learn those were real planes flying above the actors. I really want him to make a Daredevil movie, I want a far darker, serious and more realistic tone compared to other MCU films and TV shows with no generic quips or cringe jokes, have it filmed on location, including in the actual Hell’s Kitchen, New York City, no science fiction elements, no fan service, beautiful cinematography, Nolan’s visual style, awesome stunts from the actors and a huge emphasis on story, characters and practical effects. The MCU also needs to hire composers such as Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Harry and Rupert Gregson-Williams, Tom Holkenborg, Benjamin Wallfisch, Klaus Badelt, Lisa Gerrard, James Newton Howard, Steve Jablonsky, Mark Mancina, Trevor Morris, Atli Örvarsson, Heitor Pereira, Trevor Rabin, Marc Streitenfeld, Joseph Trapanese, Alexandre Desplat, Steven Price, Thomas Newman, Howard Shore, Carter Burwell, Jed Kurzel, Dario Marianelli, Hildur Guðnadóttir, Sarah Schachner, Michael Abels and Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. And finally, we need more R-rated MCU movies.
I think the best examples of "you can still act with masks on" (in Marvel) are Charlie Cox as Daredevil and Andrew Garfield as Spidey. Even with half their face or all their face covered, we still knew what the characters were feeling - whether they were happy, sad, frustrated, angry etc.
Charlie and Andrew portrayed the characters' emotions and intentions through their body language, their tone of voice, and the way they moved their heads.
They're both incredible actors and became their characters - I actually don't think this gets talked about enough, especially Charlie as Matt Murdock.
Garfield‘s Spider-Man is a perfect example indeed. The biggest thing I remember from the trailer and first movie are the scenes where he’s fully suited and joking around with some bad guy and that scene is just phenomenal to me as not only did it make a live action Spider-Man feel so lively and human for once but also it was the first live action portrayal of Spider-Man that was close to his comedic personality in the comics.
I always felt that Tobey made the better Peter Parker and Andrew made the better Spider-Man while Tom is a good mix of both.
@NationX personally I thought Garfield was the best Spiderman AND Peter Parker, and is still my favourite Spiderman. But that's just my opinion ...and a whole other conversation lol
@@sema5087 fair enough lol
Cox is one of the best actors working today.
Ryan Reynolds’ Deadpool is also excellent, even though those movies are comedies. This guy makes a great point.
Thanks for the whole "you can act with mask too" part, The Mandalorian is a good example, and I also want to add the whole tokusatsu genre; Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, etc.
Darth vader
Glovin Slayer?
@@djmarsone5209 you mean goblin slayer?
Don't forget Power Rangers. But the new movie HAD to still show their face during fights lol
@@MollyHJohns well I already said Super Sentai
Agree, is one of the reasons I love Dr Strange’s design the most in the recent mcu stuff
The classic example of acting with a helmet on is Darth Vader. Even in his first appearance, his body language while walking onto the ship tells you everything about his character. He also "talks with his hands" in a number of scenes, such as in ESB when he's trying to get Luke to join him.
One of my favourite examples of an actor acting with their mask or helmet, is in the amazing Spider-Man two when you can see that Peter is both angry and stressed that Gwen is there during the electro fight at the end of the movie
Yes, exactly. Plus, V is another fantastic example. You never see his face once during the movie, but it doesn’t matter.
Right? Cause the absence of physical emotion allows other parts of filmmaking to shine. But since Marvel is indecisive to the bone, they're not gonna plan around that.
Can't imagine them making a moment when the score genuinely matters, when the scores are probably finalized in a weekend when they can spare a whip from the vfx sweatshop.
@@7eddiii Not the case, they were actually planning to shoot the third, the issue was between Garfield and one of the executives. Plus, say what you will about the films, Garfield’s acting is great in them.
@@alexman378 no they werent lmao. The movie bmbed soo badly they scrapped the 3rd for Tom holland and the intro into civil war
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100% Nailed it. And you are right, suspense is a lost art. Modern Hollywood needs to tell you things all the time. It has no magic.
Exactly, there's just so much good old stuff i want back... I rly miss em.
Another video mentions this but this is why I adore THE BATMAN; it was just a suit, and Bruce was under the mask for 90% of the movie. He legit has to get physically changed in and out of it like a regular superhero would.
The Batman had so little GCI in that movie and looked great with little CGI, while most of the MCU that year had CGI feast and boy it showed...It doesn't look good!!!
I agree with you that the suit for the batman was indeed good. However I wish I could the same for the movie and the script, truly disappointing.
@@SoloPlayer_01 That was not the Riddler in that movie.
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When it comes to "acting in a mask" I always take 'V for Vendetta' as a reference. Hugo Weaving did an amazing job and shows how talented he is.
Don't forget Dredd, where Karl Urban kept the helmet on throughout the entire film and played the character just right.
@@rojaedavis8367 Better than SS. i Am Du lAaAaAw!
Y'all are forgetting the goat, Star Kid
Irony is, you only put on a mask when you're done emoting and only want your words to matter.
And don't forget Peter Weller as Robocop. The helmet only comes off near the end of the movie.
2:00 Peter unsuiting in the middle of traffic in broad daylight made me go wtf for a second before I remembered this was after his secret identity was revealed right?
3:45 defenetly black panthers suit kinda appearing that looks smooth as hell ngl
Contrasting Tom Holland’s suit at the end of No Way Home against Tobey and Andrew’s suits is so striking. You can see the ripples in the fabric, the stretching, the way the collar sits around their necks. Compared to Tom’s which looks so touched up (especially compared to the previous solo movies).
That was my biggest issue with MCU Spidey, he was just handed some fancy AI guided nano-suit, instead of being a guy who's so broke that he has to fix his own suit after major fight with super-villain because it got torn up.
Alto to be fair, some of the things he got as Iron Man Jr. were used for comedic purposes as he usually struggles with them, such as when he accidentally activates drone strike on one of his school mates (think it was Flash?).
@@njmfff he sent the drone strike on brad actually! But flash was a fair assumption😂
We can hope Holland's new suit is more realistic and less touched up in the coming movies as he no longer has access to Stark's fabrication machines and has to make it himself.
He looks fake at the end of no way home because that’s not even tom, it’s a 3d model 😂 but the overuse of cgi is a whole other problem
Luckily that’s finished and he’s using a actual Spider-Man suit
In the comics, spidey literally has a mask on in almost every panel. And somehow when I read his comics, the emotion and feeling I can interpret is as if not better than the mcu’s no mask scenes
MCU literally gave Spidey movable eyes yet they still resort to removing the mask to convey emotions. Like bruh.
The whole point of the classic Spidey mask is that it's one of the most expressive closed-mask designs in comic book history, and MCU just decides - welp, let's not utilise that
Well it's a completely different medium, that doesn't count. (In regards to conveyance of emotion.)
The actor to best portray that expressiveness of spider-man in live action is Andrew Garfield. Have you seen him in the suit? He's so damn expressive he doesn't even need to take off the mask.
@@benl.4577 agreed
Dont forget when adrew's peter acts with body language and it's so full of emotion in second movie
Saint Seiya anime did the suit up too. Kinda like a mix of Iron Man 3 and Sailor Moon. You have the sequence with music, and the pieces just fly at the character. :)
I know how silly this sounds, but my favorite "nanomachine" suit in a movie is Venom from Spider-Man 3. The initial transformation is incredibly shot and animated, and the way it has to creep and crawl its way up Eddie's head everytime he summons the mask on is a great touch. It also helps that when the mask is off, the suit is completely practical.
Sadly... the overall doesn't really looks like Bulky Venom.
@@clashcon11 Fr it has to be the shittiest rendition of Venom I've ever seen in media 💀
But he literally had the same issue as these movies?
Old venom looks more realistic then new venom,new venom looks like water,while old venom looks more gooie and sticky
@@izzanirfan2534 The Symbiote is more liquid in the comics
I feel like people so often forget that acting with masks is, like, one of the oldest forms in the world. Ancient Greek theatre had emotive masks and exaggerated body language for the benefit of those in the audience who were sat further away from the stage, and some masks were even designed to funnel the voices of the performers outward and project them further. Performance art among indigenous populations in South America similarly had masks, as does kabuki theatre in Japan. (I just spent 4 years and 60k on a theatre degree, I gotta use it somehow).
It's entirely possible for a good performer to emote perfectly well when wearing a well-designed mask - we don't need nanotech helmets unveiling their faces every five minutes just so we can see Paul Rudd's ageless face.
"I just spent 4 years and 60k on a theatre degree, I gotta use it somehow" relatable 😂
meanwhile tokusatsu suit actors managed to convey more emotions in their suit than most actors without a mask lol
@@obiwankenobi4801 now I wouldn't put them down that bad. Those suit actors have acted before the maskless actors were even an itch in their daddy's ball sacks.
No seriously, dude. Suit actors are just built different.
Nanotech is used best when its not *just* for suitups. The mark 50 and 85 used the nanites as weapons to change the configuration of the armor to suit specific needs. The Iron Spider armor took control of Doc Ock's arms, etc.
Iron Man 3 is peak suit IMO. I love its emphasis on making armour hopping believable, like when Tony is injecting these trackers into parts of his body (and wiping away blood) just so the pieces actually know what to form around. It lets you excuse when the bits are flying towards him. And also makes sense when Rhodes didn’t get one.
I wish to see more of the swarm suits.
I generally agree - do want to point out that Dr. Strange had a minor magical girl transformation sequence in Dr. Strange 2 when he jumps out the window and turns into a wizard.
He is also literally magical though, so magically appearing suit makes sense.
that sequence was good
I hate that movie, but it was good
I love that his pocket square is his cape. When he tugs it out of his pocket, he wraps it around his shoulders.
Magic is different. If a character can do literal magic, I see nothing at all wrong with their stuff coming out of nowhere. Thats the point of magic - it defies logic and rationality.
5:20 god of mischief lol, mysterio is master of illusion
5:19 it was always there he just made it invisable
"Acting doesn't only require the face." Good point.
Edward Norton wore a mask when he played the role of King Baldwin IV aka The Leper King in the movie Kingdom of Heaven and still delivered an astounding performance.
Hugo Weaving in 'V for Vendetta' is another great example
Also Dicaprio in Man in Iron Mask
@@lordhellstrande2763 That's one of the best superhero movie I have ever watch. Too bad people these days don't even remember this.
Am I the only one who want Practical Helmets like the ones seen in The Mandalorian? Seriously real practical Helmets to me make it more immersive then CGI Helmets.
no you're not the only one, not a single person likes the CGI helmets unless they're autistic
Kit Harrigton better have a real helmet as Black Knight
@@aaronlogue6281 It would be a real helmet, until Disney replaced it with CGI one. That's how they do it all these time. Or no helmet at all while filming.
@@RahmatTantular yep and honestly its sad because they would have more time to work shit that actually needs cgi like she hulk or modok. If marvel didnt make every suit cgi they would not be having all these vfx issues rn. Cgi is a tool not a crutch
@@RahmatTantular imagine if robert pattinson had his fantastic suit replaced with vfxs in the batman. If marvel didnt rely so heavily on cgi and just used it for things that absolutly needed it like thanos they wouldntt need to give antman 3's money to black panther 2 and basically pick favorites on witch movie looks better. The cgi in black panther 1 was sub par cause they put infinity war as priority. If they didnt overuse it then they wouldnt need to do that just let black panter have his suit be real and you would not need to skim on the cgi budget for the rhinos witch armored rhinos makes sense to be cgi not a suit just saying
This actually also happened to Kamen Rider. The newer series got that automatic techno shit that makes the automatically wear the suit. Then I watched the latest Shin Kamen Rider movie and transforming is a big deal, the protagonist needs wind flowing to his belt to transform and the more wind the stronger he become, that's why he rides motorcycle. Transforming is a big deal, and I would love to see more of that.
It'd be interesting if the upcoming Marvel movies that had characters with nanotech suits realized there was some sort of flaw with them and have to revert back to the classic suits for a movie. Like a villain that digs up some old Tony Stark tech and manages to control all of the nano tech ever made and some hero has to find a computer that fixes it all or something like that.
It’d be cool if the characters even acknowledged the nanotech moving across their faces? Like a small flinch at the sudden feeling of moment, adjusting their breathing to the outside air, maybe closing their eyes to let the nanotech elegantly reveal their expression, SOMETHING. It’s so lazily cgi’d over an actor right now.
I actually have problem with them taking off their helmets in general. I guess its in their contract to show their faces so actors get paid or sth, but its so annoying how so many characters keep taking off their masks and helmets during a heated combat situations.
Amen, it's a real pain, and I find it takes me out of the movie, especially when knowing the reasons behind it are often less for storytelling purposes and more about cinematic business politics.
I noticed this during the latest Ant man. I leaned over to my friend and said “dude why do they have helmets if they’re going to always take them off.” It just seems pointless to have them
Yeah the fact that this is not a problem in the comics and animation means this is a strictly a Hollywood thing.
@@TomCruz54321 No shit lol
I love that Iron Man has the Nano-Tech but I wish it was only him.
I think great examples of actors acting the shit out of their roles with masks on are K. Urban in Dredd and H. Weaving in V for vendetta
I kinda miss the feeling you get in the iron man movies where the suits feel like real tech that has to go through maintenance and can be picked up and moved around.
Absolutely. Everything feels so much more grounded in reality.
And the clang of the final helmet piece dropping down over his face
@@slothrocket8540 icing on the cake
This was my biggest gripe with Quantumania. I basically checked out of Marvel after Endgame, and came back to find every single character turning their helmets on and off every other minute in the middle of combat. It was almost as immersion breaking for me as MODOK.
I like how in moon knight the suit comes out in strands, it looks way cooler, and then allows the 2 suits to ne swapped out afterwards.
I thought I was the only one who thought the same as you, I even thought I was getting old and grumpy. Thank you
Friendly reminder that in the [Mandalorian], there are like 3 actors that wear the suit throughout the show, for gunslinging, close quarters combat, etc, and Pedro voices most of the time (When he's not seen underneath)
This. The Mandalorian is one of my favorite shows but people just haven't heard that like 75% of the time it isn't Pedro Pascal we're seeing.
...and the dude in the video talks about him acting with movement💀he's a goat fr but most of the time it's simply voice acting, which contradicts the whole thing as we're seeing unknown stuntman doing the acting part visually.
@@PharaohoftheHouseofLife how does that contradict it? It still shows that we don’t need see the actors face and the MCU already uses stunt men when not using CGI.
@@PharaohoftheHouseofLife Then the credit just goes to the Stuntman doing the actions, which is still hard to do when now the voice isn't even yours yet you need to match your body movement to the tone and intensity
Regarding the indecisiveness of the helmets until last minute, that is a systemic issue that is effecting ever facet of the entertainment industry. I worked in 2D animation in Los Angeles. We would be in postproduction, and the producers would still be asking for script rewrites one month before the show is supposed to air. That’s insane because voice actors would have to redo their lines and that changes everything down the pipeline. The advent of digital production has really changed the way shows are made. It’s much faster now. I worked on a show that produced an entire season in 9 months from pre to post. That’s insane. Producers have gotten really nit picky, and as a result, everyone down the line is just ‘doing their job’ cause no one knows the plan. Nobody wants to put their heart into something and have it cut out two weeks later. It’s kind of soul crushing if your in it for more than money.
Feel for u bro.i also do 2d but home level.and I looove changing shit .it's more of a compulsion for me but I just want a long lasting thing.any ways I hope y'all don't lose heart in the game cuz it's literally the only type of animation I love and I'd hate for it to die
We are never going back to actual helmets. The convenience of the nano-magic helmet is just too good to give up. But I agree with you. I knew it would be an issue after the first thor movie, where they had him in the comic accurate helmet for the first scene he was in, just to leave it out for the rest of the time the character has been seen (with the brief exception of the helmet he wore in the Hulk fight in Ragnarok). He is a warrior. He should know the importance of good armor.
I think it also happens in animation particularly Spider-Man Unlimited
The real problem with the MCU now, is that earthling technology is too advanced on us, so we don't even know what is technically possible for them. We also don't understand why they struggle with diseases such as cancer in Thor Love and Thunder...
my favourite example is the young justice series, they built an insanely large universe with the majority of DC characters in it but yet you never feel like the technology is stepping on the less advanced characters,like you dont have someone like blue beetle going in and out of his suit and it makes you sit there and think "why doesnt nightwing do that" because they set it all up properly, the tech is more advanced than us but its not so insanely advanced where something like the beetle suit is a common occurence, they make these heroes with special technology one offs, they have the only version of a few for their certain tech
I mean real life has some pretty advanced tech and scientific knowledge, yet disease and hunger are still a problem. Not that much a shocker the MCU has similar issues in that universe.
It’s astounding how the people that worked on Mandalorian about leaving Mando remained masked somehow completely forgot this rule in Book of Boba Fett
Someone thought Morrison could act....
I kinda think it shows that Din is devout to hiding his face and generally upholding the creed, even after excommunication, where as Boba sees the same beliefs as just having a few nice ideas.
He definitely didn’t feel like Boba from the OT, and that’s a valid criticism, but it was to take a legacy character in a new direction.
All in all, it wasn’t great, but in all honesty, I did enjoy it.
Even if they had wanted to remove Mando's helmet more, they couldn't, because it's one of the central plot points of the story that he shouldn't remove his helmet, but that doesn't apply to Boba Fett as he is not a member of the children of the watch (nor a mandalorian to begin with)
While it is dumb, Boba isn't mando, he isn't part of that group that requires helmets, they wanted boba to have his helmet off often, sounds like you are forgetting who boba is
@@Apac12 The only reason people like Boba in the originals is because of his armor. Having him not wear the whole set is stupid.
3:00 somehow you just described how many, many, Tokusatsu deal with their nanotech justification or how their magic allows them to suit up on the spot.
7:00 I hate that the pencil thing actually worked lmao, I didnt react like them in that scene but I definitely felt something when he broke it xD
The challenge of secretly changing physical costumes has always been an interesting part of superheros
It never was in the MCU. Nobody except Spider-Man has a secret identity.
Daredevil and Ms. Marvel have secret identities (no, the fact that her family and friends know doesn't count, they're not the public).
Wonder women really been out here twirling in a circle and having her costume appear.
I think Iron Man 3 had the best example of using a suit to the plots advantage. He had a whole scene where he slowly gained every piece of his suit. He had to get creative with every piece of his armor
Peter's suit in no way home also moves away from his face to commandeer doc ock's tentacles, allowing Otto to see it wasn't "his" Peter.
Well if you take it from a perspective like its real life that would be super sufficient in case someone or something is coming out of no where and attacking you having the armor on really fast reduces the time for danger
I was actually thinking about this exact thing, and thinking specifically of T'Challa taking his helmet off to confront Zemo at the end of Civil War. That was a powerful moment.
Exactly!
Dont you love it when heroes and villains use their helmets/masks for 5% of the movie, always taking them off every 2 seconds even when they are in dangerous situations where it would make sense to have their heads/faces covered
I think that occurs for two reasons:
- You need to showcase the actor's expressions, and it can be difficult if they're wearing a helmet
- When you have a big star, you want to capitalise on that
@@NIDELLANEUM exactly the reason why goblin had no mask in nwh
@@ClubberOntop that might also have been a take that to how superhero movies in the 2000s tried to make everything look like "realistic" military gear, so they gave Goblin a helmet. As such, NWH just said "hey, now we're Comic Accurate"
This kind of thing makes me appreciate more that Batman still has to actively play against that in those films.
i hate that shit so much its not only the heroes but the villains too