The MCU Is A Joke
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You're a fucking loser for deliberately farming views [and to an extent, spreading negativity] off of these types of content. "Boo-hoo MCU dead boo-hoo DCU dead", we get it-but it's the fact that you exploit such facts to an extreme to garner yourself money.
Get a bit more creative, will you? It's vivid that you're starkly biased to the consensus, and you're a fucking loser for that.
+You're made well around over a dozen of these types of videos, by the way. IF it isn't clear to you already how petty you are.
You must be high. Its definitely as bad as Martin says it is. Wake up.
Promoting snake oil and exploiting your audiences insecurities about aging is fucking scummy.
1:02 WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT'S THE CASE. your argument doesn't make sense.
The super-hero genre isn't dying, it's committing suicide.
Oh, Lord. I guess only the 2023 Hollywood Strike can save them now. When busy writers and VFX designers quit their jobs altogether, it can stop superhero films from continuing to be oversaturated, or at least give the audience more time to catch up on older Marvel Studios content made before 2023. At least do not overwork the writers of the DC Cinematic Universe and the Marvel Cinematic Universe by rushing them to put together a dozen new films or streaming series every year. Writers and Actors not only deserve more money to make these big studio productions, they also need more *time* to make them, and that is why Kevin Feige and James Gunn really need to spread their long-term plans further out to be four years longer than they originally were in 2023.
True
I would say assisted suicide
Good narrations like across the spider verse are example for it
I recommend The Boys.
endgame was trully the correct title
@@DD-zh4by mcu was never nolan/Tarantino acadamy award winning deaply written franchise
@@DD-zh4byThey weren't IW was awesome despite having flaws, Civil War and Winter Soldier are peak Superhero movies, GOTG was funny and actually great, Avengers 2012 is Nostalgic greatness, Iron Man 2008 was great, Incredible Hulk is so underrated as well
And it really started with that film
FACTS
So was No Way Home
Even my friends, who are vehement superhero movie haters, went to see Infinity War and Endgame. That's the kind of magic the MCU once held. Crazy how it can all just disappear in the blink of an eye.
What you and your lame ass loser friends do is pathetic
@@Blahblahblehblhahnot really. These movies were objectively massive and magical.
@@Blahblahblehblhah Idk, man. The box office results for both movies kind of prove his point. Those movies were 1 2 punches and became cultural events on a high level
@@BlahblahblehblhahIW and Endgame became spectacles. Same kinda hype as sports stadiums. It's why the FNAF movie is going to rake in revenue. People just recognize something that's been around and popular for a while and want to join in on the fun for a limited time. No one would shit a fuck about Oppenheimer if it wasn't Christopher Nolan, same with Barbie if it wasn't a doll line for decades.
Meh, they're predictable and straight up boring - see no magic here, only another "current thing".
Here's a cold hard fact: the vast majority of fans have grown up. Not in the sense that we are too old for superhero movies, but that we've seen and experienced all that there was from this franchise, and have now moved on. Here's another: what was achieved this past decade and a half can never be recreated. It was a special and unique era in cinema, a time capsule worth revisiting, but one that also needs to be laid to rest.
this. I remember when Avengers hit theaters and EVERYONE had to see it. regardless of what some will say, it was truly unique and exciting, and that CANNOT be recreated. by the time the third phase was in full swing it lost its luster to me.
I cant say this is a cold hard fact when the comics have existed since the early 20th century, and yet they still pull audiences consistently and generate new storylines. As long as there are people alive on this planet, there will consistently be new ideas formed. The multiverse was something already occurring relatively early in the 21st century, and that created many many more ideas and concepts to pull from. Its mainly a flaw of bad writers and directors trying to copy and paste what was previously good and transmit it into the new generation, without actually realizing everything that made those movies good.
the fall of mcu has led to the rise in popularity of anime. young audiences nowadays like to watch more gory, edgy stuff (not mocking) i feel mcu has gone too soft for too long. none of the major characters ever die so the stakes dont feel real anymore. loki has been around since 2011 and he shouldve died atleast 3 times by now. marvel shouldve learnt to grow with the audience and introduce actual stakes
Well said.
@@spoony8497people want to be unique and feel special so bad lol
Thanos may have lost, but he still did exactly what he said he would - bring an end to the avengers.
Thanos won, you idiot. _Endgame_ was a bullshit ad hoc movie with an entirely different, out of character Thanos that was created to 'fail.'
Maybe Thanos was right, he was trying to save the MCU from oversaturation. What a thoughtful guy.
@@tylere.8436 That can become a great theory
"Congratulations, you're a prophet."
If only this line didn't cross into our reality and kill one of the coolest movie franchises ever.
@@tylere.8436 Ugh, I am SO SICK of people who try to make the villains look like the good guy for ending the existence of the heroes earlier! I hated it when it was done before 3 years ago in the comments of Clownfish TV videos, talking about Sideshow Bob "saving" The Simpsons from becoming worse, and Mojo Jojo "saving" The Powerpuff Girls from becoming worse. At least The CW finally quit on Powerpuff while they were ahead of not finishing a doomed-to-fail product nobody would like, so at least someone learned something from Batgirl.
If ‘No Way Home’ followed ‘End Game’, and then they took a break, and in 2023 Guardians 3 came out, people would still be be seriously hyped about the MCU.
Facts
Actual facts. Then kick off the multiverse with the destruction of the sacret timeline and build on that storyline by making it slowly creep into other movies.
Okay Captain Hindsight.
The TV shows have done alot of damage tho. People feel they can't keep up with it all.
@@toshtao1 Okay Captain Wise Ass.
As soon as Dr. Strange listened to Peter Parker to alter the past or whatever, I knew it was over for the MCU. Dr. Strange was the all-seeing eye of the MCU before Endgame. He was the glue that held everything together, maintained an authoritarian and highly responsible stance and demeanor that no one else could see except him. He had the answer to beating Thanos and yet never told a soul except for one tiny hint to Stark in the end. But then...he does a complete 180, ignores Wong's advice, and quickly does what a teenager wants so he can go to MIT?! That is so highly irresponsible from someone that became a literal god in his abilities and still does something that stupid. Not to mention the cringey manner in which he performed the spell, with no thought process whatsoever. The movie ended up being great with all the nostalgia and all, but I knew the MCU was going to suffer from that day forward. There are just too many possibilities, scapegoats if you will, that now, like many comics before them actually, have absolutely no end to them. Yes, there were The Eternals and that f*cking dumba$$ movie with Strange and Wanda, but those were sidequests...which we all thought it wouldn't be, so then we thought Antman Quantumania would be the one to kickstart it all. Well...not exactly. The one tidbit I did feel had hope in rescuing this debacle in Quantumania was his last scene with the Wasp and Kang which should have ended in the Quantum world, them being trapped and providing us with some sort of cliffhanger that would have made the series interesting again. It also would have made Kang a deeper part of the MCU's future phases and the overall lore. Instead, he dies or disappears or whatever, and Cassie instantly brings the portal back to Scott and Hope, and they all lived happily ever after. It was so dang lame, and incredibly disappointed at Disney for allowing this to happen. That was the final nail in the coffin for the MCU and it's as if they didn't even know it. And they will continue to not realize it. On to the DCU I guess (cringe).
Fr I don’t get why this guy will talk about how the multiverse of madness ruined strange and multiverses are dumb and then say no way home is amazing when it ruined strange first and had the multiverse bs
I feel like they should have made Eternals a series. And the writers should have been asked to mandatorily sign a contract that said they won't bring their personal beliefs about races, religions, politics that are not relevant to the characters into the story (aka, non-woke folks). It could have been the start of a universe other than the one where Avengers lived and died (for the most part). But no, they had to stuff that big and good a cast into a fucking movie the length of a music video with the typical girl-powah and men-bad cringe. Sucks that we lost something that could have been yet another team of characters who could stand on their own and we would have cared for them.
You captured it well. The next lead guy would have been Dr. Strange but they ruined him in one scene.
Dr. Strange (and maybe Thor if they didn't fudge his character so much by the end) would have been great characters to keep this universe going without feeling like a B grade reboot. As mentioned Dr. Strange has that similar charisma/arrogance. He is an intellectual, even if in a different set of fields. He clearly has a lot of power even without the time stone, and the relevant knowledge to make sense to lead a world where time travel had to get established. Thor is one of the last avengers left in full fighting capacity (Tony is dead, Natasha is dead, cap is old, banner clearly isn't going full rage monster route, and hawkeye is the only other option beyond him). Thor also having another 4000 years left to live means that you don't have to start panicking about your character needing to retire, just having to worry about actors. Since Asgard is Earth bound for now, the whole 'Thor is off world and we can't call' didn't have to be an issue til the end of endgame decision to ship him with the guardians for 10 minutes. Plus these 2 characters have clearly met and are not mortal enemies and have at least 1 pivotal decision against Thanos that can motivate them forward, whether said action was right or wrong.
Then that got tossed down the gutter cause idk how much of the future MCU was planned before infinity war was written, cause it really needed to be.
It would’ve been so easy to make Dr. Strange the anchor for the new phase. His character is similar to Tony Stark but different enough to grow and develop some nuance to create a backbone for all of the crazy Multiverse stuff. We saw in the first movie alone (not to mention all of the other times he was in other movies) that Dr. Strange is kind of a snob and developed a huge ego after being able to control literal time and space. This can be manipulated in so many different ways: he (understandably) believes he’s always right, so what happens when someone with his powers is wrong?; he shows an over-reliance on his powers, what happens if they stop working correctly?; what made him humble enough to go across the world for help and what scenario would show that humility again?; what if we started this phase showing how stable and reliable his is as a leader but then over time (multiple, well established movies over a normal course of 5 years or so) he starts to lose his mind and the very people he loved had to make the choice to go against him? These are just few of millions of questions that you could ask about his character. And I realize that some of this may seem simple, but the current writers at the MCU have clearly shown that they either hate simple or they literally are not good enough of writers to create simple. And I’m just talking about one character! Multiple characters with fairly simple stories with simple questions will create multifaceted and complex stories and writing without having to think too hard.
But instead, they made Dr. Strange into a joke, wrote him so that he directly goes against what he would actually do as the character, and has had no growth. That is a tragedy in my book. (He was one of my favorite characters in the MCU before No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness ruined that) Thank you if you read my rant. 😅
(Edit: I wrote this before I got to the part in the video where he talked about this so I edited it to go more into detail of what I’m talking about)
Its a shame too because Multiverse of Madness had every opportunity to take his character in interesting directions through his relationship with America Chavez & his dichotomy with Wanda but instead they just sidelined him and stuck alternate universe Christine in there, which gets in the way of his development with America whilst rehashing his whole too busy for a love life thing
We don't need Strange to go through "Ego" phase again, it's exactly what Disney likes to do - character regression, just to tell the same stupid words again and again.
There's another direction, which far better. Strange being a mentor. "Why do you think that world is centered on you", lesson about ego was done in his first movie, plus Strange even sacrificed himself just for the purpose of defeating Phanos. It's only natural that already "humble" Strange would become a mentor, instead of being an idiot for forgetting everything he went through.
How we can show Strange being a mentor?
Easy, Strange's magic doesn't work properly in other universes. I can even explain why it doesn't work and why it would be a good point for being a mentor.
mom was very good
@@TruthTheChamp Bruh
Agreed! He was my favorite character. Doctor Strange 1 was amazing. Loved him in Infinity War and Endgame. Doctor Strange 2 was the biggest let down of the entire MCU for me. It could have been so so amazing. The writing was atrocious. He had no arc. They wasted Wanda. Could have been so much better. And yes, Cumberbatch has the acting skills to carry Phase 4 and 5, but the writing is letting him down.
how does Disney spend 200 million dollars on a show that is WAY worse than a youtube video? and then get less views than a youtube video as well! it's astonishing.
Top dude= this Property is worth a lot of money, but I need to get somebody to make this product. Checks the pool of people to choose from to make said property. Chooses person who has made a name for themselves. Person top dude chooses= I don't know or really care for this stuff, so I'm gonna do this my way.
Ideology.
Maybe it's money laundering.
Critical Drinker has entered the chat
Because THE MESSAGE
You know what im sick, tired and disgusted by? Having a masked superhero character *THAT DOESN'T KEEP THE MASK ON* they keep taking it off even just for small talk!
thats what made V for Vendetta great.
Dont like actors who think they need their face shown in movies to add to it.
Dredd 2012. Which is better than most dc and marvel output lately, respected that very well.
Pedro Pascal didn't learn his lesson and didn't respect his own character's lore. I heard he had arguments against Disney to show his face during the show
@@IAmTheEagleHTM actors who have egos large enough to potentially threaten the potential success of a movie or a series, like what pedro did should be punished, or at least have their egos popped with a dose of reality.
As Russell Crowe once said "acting is like any other profession, you listen to the boss and do what they say, directors are our boss. we are just actors, we should not be pushing unsolicited opinions and disagreeing with the boss. Any other job you would get fired"
Its so true.
Now movies and series are made to please themselves, with fans, who are the ones to make or break the success of a show, are low priority. It seems as if hollywood is forgetting what made hollywood successful in the first place.
Thank goodness for directors like Christopher Nolan, Peter Jackson.... who still respect the craft and who make the movie/series for the fans.
This was my biggest problem with Deadpool 2. Only about 1/4 of the movie shows Deadpool in the mask; the rest of the movie is Ryan Reynolds saying shit that is only funny to college frat boys. That guy has an ego the size of a black hole.
Remember, you can make amazing movies with CGI. They're called animated movies. I mean you can even make amazing movies that use both CGI and live action. Plenty of movies pre-endgame are a testament of that. But you need to actually make it look good. Hard to believe, I know.
Imagine being sad over superheroes lol
@@kaponosuckswho’s kapono?
@@kaponosucksWho's sucks
The thing is that it is also weird to have one of the most amazing, most anticipated, and the most biggest film that is Endgame which took a decade to build to going back to trying to speedrun to another "Endgame", every movie is now being centered around Khan or whatever his name is instead of the movie being able to stand completely on it's own and maybe at the end-credit scene it connects back to "the main villain"
Yep
Another reason why Guardians was low at first was because for everyone, Guardians was the make or break movie for people staying or leaving the MCU for good
pretty sure the dr strange and thor 1-2 punch kicked a bunch of people out there... what a sadistic attack on peoples sanity
It broke me
The Marvels will set more packing. Watch.
@@user-gk3yh2wf1f guardians 2 was bad enough that when i heard the plot summary for 3, i just skipped it. from what i've heard, its the best thing since endgame... but that bar is so low that it doesnt make the film good.
i do want to know what the frick DC is thinkin though. their hiring of gunn and their announcement kinda went hand in hand during g3s production right? they had no idea if g3 was any good, and they tanked a year and a half of their own films to brag they stole a director... absolute idiocy
Correction: not for everyone, but for a lot of people. For me personally and, I'm sure, some others, it was the Disney+ shows, namely Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk. The logic was: "If I'm I okay with skipping these characters' shows and, by extension, a bunch of lore that may hinder my enjoyment and/or understanding of future films, does that mean MCU's status as a lightning in a bottle that I couldn't get enough of gone? Huh. Apparently it does. Shit."
Disney needs to stop and think on why they are failing.
Bob Iger is too busy seeing dollars
introspection is beyond these people.
i'd say Disney actually needs to stop and ask someone who wasn't hired directly by Bob Iger or someone he hired why they're failing, and actually listen
Disney's problem, for a long time now, has been how ideologically inbred the company is. It's full of people with their heads firmly up their own asses who believe Disney will succeed simply because it's Disney. They have no outside perspectives, they have no actual idea what the outside world of them thinks, they have no idea what they're own flaws are. This is why they keep repeating their mistakes.
hubris and Disney are pretty much now synonymous.
They are victims so the "cause" is always outside of them.
To be honest, the only thing on Dinsey's mind is money.
They are nothing more than a soulless corporation hellbent of greed and corruption.
"Evil cannot create anything new. It can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made."
- JRR Tolkien
It's genuinely depressing how well that quote fits not just with MCU but Hollywood in general.
The only big blockbusters that weren't total letdowns in the last couple years were Monsterverse movies like Godzilla v Kong, and only bc you go to these movies for big lizard punching big monkey. They're movie equivalent of a fireworks show- big loud and colorful and that's it.
I think the two characters who were fit to take the lead were Loki, since he was the one who started all of the Multiverse stuff, was a known character, and could carry a scene, and Doctor Strange for the reasons brought up in the video.
It's too late in the phase to make Loki the lead at this point, and Strange - like the video said - has been relegated to a plot device.
It took them from 2008 to 2019 to build an empire. It only took them 2 years to completely destroy it. But hey, they know everything and it's really the fans that are the problem.
They did not completely destroy the Marvel empire or else Kevin Feige would have to reboot the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is what is happening now to the DC Cinematic Universe with James Gunn's new plan. How do you feel about Superman Legacy?
@@adamkalb1so typical mcu response bringing on dc just to feel better at themselves
@@adamkalb1 Bro how are you tribal over companies wtf
@@adamkalb1 nah it’s dead and I’m happy it’s falling apart. I’m sick of the oversaturation.
@@adamkalb1sadly they did, and denial won't change that
The problem Disney has is that they are trying to force the backbone character to be Captain Marvel, and nobody is buying it.
Not anymore they aren't. That was the plan pre Endgame. It was for her to be the new MCU lead but that backfired and they lost Chadwick. So you can tell they've panicked and changed alot of the plan.
They haven't been trying to do that since 2019...
The same problem with star wars
@@Natta44 Exactly. She's not even the lead of her own sequel.
I don't care if the character/name is from the comics...being "Marvel Comics" and "Marvel Studios" and the "Marvel Cinematic Universe"....and having a character BRANDED as "Captain/Miss Marvel" is the STUPIDEST thing ever. It is just an incredibly tacky move to go with.
Especially when they try to promote Captain Marvel as the strongest MCU character, and tried to "prequel-ize" her into being a key part of the backstory of the MCU, making her the first "Modern" Avenger after Captain America, predating Iron Man, and having her call-sign be the reason it was called the "Avenger Initiative"
It was REALLY annoying to see them force so much focus onto a brand new character right when the franchise was about to conclude with Endgame.
Very poor business decision.
Martin Scorsese was 100 percent correct about super heroes films.
Hes the best
Scorsese has also made BAD movies, the latest being namely this Netflix Oscar bait 3 hr wanna be Godfather flick. And he isn’t the only director who people enjoy
I think another thing is that everything is just green screen / cgi now. The characters barely interact with things around them. It makes the movies feel empty and boring to look at
Even a single Barbie movie is doing better than the MCU.
Because Barbie had good marketing alongside Oppenheimer
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375still if the word of mouth was negative, it would have had a big drop at the second weekend (best example: Doc. Strange 2‘)
@@FilmnerdTV but it *was* negative. People went to see it cus of the meme, and because it was bundled with an actually good movie.. Oppenheimer.
@@Aaron-qe9msbundled with oppenheimer??? What you talking about???
@@boboboy8189 Barbie and Oppenheimer came out on the same day
After phase 3, it just became quantity over quality.
With all the shows and movies, it just felt like homework just to keep up.
I agree there are way too many projects. Audiences cannot keep up with the various shows.
It became preachy girl boss shows. Every male character replaced with some new female character with same powers. Not what the vastly male audience wants. Guys want the NFL. Not the WNBA.
It became overwhelming and it started losing it's charm and writing quality from the previous phase
To me, watching every movie in the pre-Disney+ phases already felt like homework. I watched whatever Marvel movies I wanted to watch out of order, and found I can enjoy most of them more when I am not one of the overly-analytical people who has to watch every individual Marvel film property in the order of which they were made. With both Marvel movies and Marvel series or mini-series on Disney+, I find that I enjoy each individual production on their own because I am not thinking about the bigger picture with Secret Wars, so I am lucky that for now, for this year, I do not have to keep up with everything right away until Avengers Secret Wars officially begins production, which will not happen for another three years due to the 2023 WGA and SAGA strike.
Nobody misses the big movie coming out, but when there's one every couple months it gets old fast.
Does anyone remember summer just 5 years ago? We were all actively speculating what would happen in the next Avengers movie, whose title wouldn't even be revealed until the end of 2018. I'll always miss those times
I like to ask who the Avengers are right now? I literally have zero idea.
"Mcu" humor has crept its way into everything. I understand what Scorsese meant. Thanks to the mcu, eveeything coming from hollywood has mcu level banter or one liners all the time. Aswell as the flip floppy tone and themes
Exactly
This is true
It's crazy how his initial criticism of the MCU even tho when he said it wasn't true, it ended up developing into what he said it was back then. Man was on point
Reminds me of comparisons between the L4D and the Back 4 Blood trailers lmao. People wonder why that game flopped and people get annoyed with characters like this so easily..
Good characters can salvage a bad product in some capacity. If you make characters people care about, sure, this one adventure or incident may not have gone over well, but you can bring them back later and try again because the audience is invested. You can have weird CGI or graphics at times, or a simplistic story that's not too advanced, and if people care about who your story is about, they'll watch.
Problem is, even during serious moments or scenes, every damn character has turned into a one-liner spouting badass trynna be "quirky" and "funny" and not even in a good way. At first, it was novel because compared to other "edgy", over the top protagonists and stories that were shoulders-deep in trauma, here was a protagonist that didn't give two shits and acted like it. Think characters like Duke Nukem, Duke clearly doesn't care and is meant to be the stereotypical testosterone-packed badass "movie action hero" character, but at the time, he was one of the only ones.
Now with all of them like that, it feels hard to take the stories seriously or even care. When you go to get into a series or story and the main characters have no personality beyond swearing, sex jokes, or "cool guys don't look at explosions" one liners it's boring as hell. Not saying a character has to be some deep thinker every time who questions life, the universe, and our very existence, but at least have SOMETHING to make them relatable! Plus, PLUS, please stop ruining serious moments with stupid jokes. Seeing a giant creature rip apart a starship and kill thousands of people would I think be more impactful then just saying a line in a monotone voice similar to: "Damn, guess that thing wanted us to.. "ship" out eh? Alright let's kill it!"
I can name the characters that came from modern video media that I actually like on four fingers, and that's it. Even then the series they're from wasn't even that good, there are almost no good or at least relatable characters in modern movies or TV and I'm sick of it.
(Sorry for the rant, your comment inspired me to write something.)
TLDR: No good characters in modern film or TV as they're all too busy cracking ""jokes"" and one liners with no personality beyond "bland action hero" outside of that and I hate it.
He wasn’t even talking about that tho
If you're old enough to remember, everything through Endgame was like the WWF Attitude Era. After that is what we have now in both cases.
Now we have wwe
Bad comparison. After Attitude Era, we got Ruthless Agression Era before PG era, RA era arguably same or even better era than attitude era.
This was actually a good comparison. By the Ruthless Agression era, i was fatigued and tapped out after things started to drastically change, and favorites started to phase out or jump ship. I was around for the transition to RA though, and they entered that phase strongly just like the MCU after endgame. Sustainability became the issue in all cases.
Exactly, and endgame was wrestle mania X7
@michaelreich4827
No, I disagree. The Ruthless Aggression era still had guys like Eddie Guerrero, Chris [redacted], Batista, Edge, HHH, and even John Cena. 2001 to 2009 wasn't as good as the Attitude Era, but it was still pretty decent. I stopped watching WWE completely in 2013 and only know of it now through Botchamania, but I remember WWE had the PG Era in 2009 which sucked, then the Reality TV, "f*ck kayfabe" era n 2013 which was awful, then the Girlboss era in 2015 with goddamn Charlotte Flair and Nia Jax botching every single week. And from 2018 onward, I don't even know what they were doing.
The point is, WWE had a slow steady decline, getting worse and worse every era. The MCU had Endgame (and even that movie was average compared to the much better Infinity War,) then fell off a cliff with Wandavision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki, Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder, Wakanda Forever, She Hulk Attorney at Law, Miss Marvel, etc. If its popularity was a line graph, Phase 4 would be at a 90 degree angle going straight down.
What you said about getting people back after they lose them is so true. I used to be the biggest MCU stan, but I literally don’t care anymore. I’ve skipped so much of their projects recently, and the ones I have watched were so bad that I felt disrespected lol. It would take a lot for me to start going to the theater or paying for their streaming again
The problem with multi-verses is not only that "anything can happen" but also "everything can happen", so nothing happens... in the hearts of the audience, whenever they're watching these shows and movies. A character can die and be brought back. When it's that easy to cheat death, the life of our heroes don't matter anymore. ESPECIALLY when the stories are so weak, and characters so badly written.
Even greater than having forgettable heroes, the thing that these movies are missing are amazing villains. Someone that is undeniably dangerous, extremely intelligent with a purpose, or someone that's plain fun to watch. Whether you want to watch them because they always give the heroes fits, or because they're so terrifying that you're invested in seeing how in the world the heroes can find a way to defeat them, your villains have to be as big a draw as the heroes. Pink lemonade is underrated and delicious.
Yes - so they have to keep making storylines where the heroes fight each other. And there are so many options. Dr. Doom may be the most interesting character Marvel has.
True. If a villain is great and a big threat, then it makes it so much more impressive when the hero beats them. It makes an impression on audience. But when you have someone like that woman at a wedding in She hulk,who has like one fist fight with Jen, then...If there is no big villain to beat,your hero has nothing to overcome and they come up as very useless and bland.
Exactly. With no charismatic enemy like Loki for everyone to fight, it gets super boring. It becomes "we fight bad joe shmoe" and nobody cares and then we all go home
True, Pink lemonade ❤
To be completely fair, that has been a problem with MCU movies from the start, so it's not a new issue. It's just more obvious now that the other elements of the movie are also suffering. You had exceptions like Loki and the High Evolutionary, but most antagonists fall in the forgettable/boring territory.
Thank you, Disney, for taking the most beloved comic book characters from my childhood, to the present, and destroying them beyond repair.
Let us not be overdramatic.
@@user-dy2km3yy8x with the exception of the Iron Man, Captain America and GOTG, Disney has FU every other Marvel character and storyline. IN MY OPINION. Everyone is entitled to opinions, right? I can't explain in detail, there's a limit to how much I can text, but Marvel Studios is also to blame, especially with the sacrilege it committed with The X-men franchise as well. And now Disney acquired the rights to that in 2019. I cringe in horror and disbelief just thinking about it.
Maybe they should stay as a memory from your childhood.
They’ve methodically gone through and destroyed every beloved male super hero, replacing them with female versions of the character infinitely stronger, better, and badass than them in every way.. or so they relentlessly try and shove down our throats in EVERY aspect of EVERY new addition to their super hero franchises
They will come back better. Look at the 2000s hulk movie.
Another issue with finding an iron man replacement is that Tony’s place as the anchor also made sense lore wise. He’s the guy with all of the money, connections, and tech, and so it made sense why he was involved in so many stories. It’s the reason why S.H.I.E.L.D. brought him in first and leaned on him to help make the avengers happen. Someone like Spider-Man is still a kid with no resources, and Dr strange tends to keep himself. There’s no clear answer to this problem.
It should have Ended After Endgame…
Shang Chi, Loki, Spider-Man FFH, Dr. Strange MOM, GOTG3
It did end.
@@LostMySauceall terrible to mid and added nothing
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We need Thanos to snap his fingers to wipe half of the oversaturated MCU content
Ha! What about Loki S1, WandaVision, NWH, GOTG Vol. 3 and Black Panther 2? And you people claim that the MCU is dead, ridiculous.
I was actually suprised that they were going to continue after Endgame.
why would they not they have so many storys that not been in on the big screen
@@danielmokobia106 Just because the Marvel Cinematic Universe reached its peak with Avengers Endgame and Spider-Man No Way Home, does not mean it is ready to shut down or close up shop forever. During Phase 2 and Phase 3, Marvel Studios experimented with different types of television programming on ABC, Freeform and Netflix that harder-core Marvel fans can watch without worrying about how they connect to the larger cinematic universe, but still having some crossover connections to other Marvel films and shows. Most of the Disney+ shows that do not focus on side characters from earlier films, like Loki and Hawkeye do for examples, are a newer and lighter version of what Disney and Marvel used to do with Netflix, before launching Disney+. This is why I love watching What If, Moon Knight and Ms. Marvel so much.
Either Agents of SHIELD and the shows on Freeform and Netflix might as well be retroactively met with the same level of scrutiny that online reviewers currently give to the new wave of Disney+ shows and mini-series, or people who liked watching Inhumans, Daredevil and The Punisher should give each Disney+ series the fair shot they deserve to stand on their own individual quality or their own individual lack of quality. Either way, I do not think the Marvel Cinematic Universe is already dead just because Doctor Strange, Thor, Black Panther and Ant-Man had a string of mediocre sequels. Spider-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 were that 1 in 3 exception where a sequel to follow Avengers: Endgame to focus on an earlier hero was great and lauded critically. September 14, 2023, 10:18pm
Marvel studios were created solely for producing marvel content.
Then you're a fool. You're surprised that a multi billion dollar super corporation continues to milk the shit out of an emaciated cash cow? What were you expecting? They would be satisfied with the amount of money they made and would just stop wanting to suck people's time and money from them?
The MCU was a massive money maker, so of course they would want to continue it.
The movie cynic: “antman 3”
Me: “there was an antman 2??”
Back after Endgame came out I was (vainly) hoping that it would end there, or the MCU would start a brand new universe. My quote, at the time, taken from Batman was "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain". Greed has made the MCU into a villain.
22 films over 11 years was great. My dad and I watched them together. Then after Endgame, it became overwhelming, there was just too much, so we stopped watching 🙄
They need to do a massive reboot where it doesn't cost a billion dollars just to get the main team in (green) room together
@@GorpaDorpOrp see what u ded there😂
The series has definately become a jump-off point. Like it or not, Loki was a huge mistake IMO
I think their biggest mistake is the Disney plus shows. They all suck balls! Just admit it
@@lennyztrobos8678I agree. These shows suck lmao. Moon kight I really enjoyed tho.
As Tony would say about Phase 4 and 5. Not a great plan.
Honestly, as a massive fan of the superhero genre and the MCU, just looking at the future releases makes me sad. There is no cohent story being told, the heroes show up years apart and they put out entirely too many movies and shows these days. The first 3 phases were structured very well and we got to enjoy the characters on their own and in ensemble stories. Now we have a scattered universe that doesn't have anything to fight against as a team.
Thor and Dr. Strange are the only characters left that I like.
She-Hulk was the worst of it. Nothing before or after has ever made such an effort to utterly insult the audience.
Other stuff has been very bad, and very woke. But...none of them went full meta with it and straight shit on the audience.
She-Hulk in comics has always been meta, so it was the natural vehicle for the Wokeists who had inherited the MCU to display their absolute arrogance and hatred of the audience.
To this day, I still say She Hulk is literally the worst television show ever made. Some shows are woke and disrespectful to the audience in a "Last Jedi" kind of way, like Resident Evil '22 or Velma. Other shows are massively incompetent and poorly written in a "Rise of Skywalker" kind of way, like The Rings or Power or Witcher: Blood Origin. She Hulk was the worst of both worlds: insulting AND shitty. Even Velma has the excuse of "we at least tried." She Hulk intentionally decided to insult the audience, while being one of the worst productions ever created. And as a fan of the character She Hulk I watched every episode of this disaster in disbelief at how far the MCU had fallen.
I see you haven't watched The Wheel of Prime
I've got friends defending it and I don't know how
@@MarvinPowell1it took she-hulk to have u realize how far they have fallen?
I love Daredevil, both the comic and the Netflix adaptation. When I saw him turn up in No Way Home, I flipped out along with everyone else because I couldn't wait to see him integrated into the MCU. After seeing him in She-Hulk, and hearing the bombshell that Foggy and Karen weren't coming back in Born Again, I don't care if it's cancelled.
i wish it will be cancelled. can't watch they did my boy dirty
Besides, daredevil season 3 was the perfect finale for the daredevil series, so I don’t really care if there’s more.
@@user-dy2km3yy8x yep u right, I'm gonna need 60 bottles to agree Daredevil in she-hulk is good *hic*
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You literally can't tell any more stories with any weight or stakes in the MCU anymore,
.. as She Hulk can just jump out of the movie and rewind the scene, pause the movie or just explain to all of the Avengers that they are just actors in a movie and they aren't on "Mars" right now, it's just a soundstage and Ironman isn't "Gone" he's a character played by RDJ and he's standing over at craft services eating a donut,
... She Hulk can also tell Spiderman not to worry because Aunt May is fine as she was an actress played by Marissa Tomei and the Green Goblin was just the actor William Defoe reprising an acting job.
Once you introduce to your story that there is a character that can break the fourth wall and knows that it's all make believe and dress up, you have completely destroyed the possibility for investment of an audience in your story.
She Hulk can just rewind everything, interact with the writers and completely alter the reality and history of the MCU, ... so therefore you can't tell any stories within the MCU as you have a character that can reverse everything that happens on a whim.
@@user-dy2km3yy8x If my take is bad, your spelling and use of grammar is appalling.
I feel like the anchor for the current MCU was supposed to be black panther, and losing Chadwick really left a massive hole they don’t know how to feel
Just recast him.
It has been done again and again in cinema history
The weird thing is that there's been movie fatigue lately, and people only go see movies once they hear from actual people they know that it's good. It's affecting pretty much all movies as of late. I mean look at Elemental from Pixar. Weak opener, but after good word spread about it, it made more money than their past few projects combined. (I could be wrong here, but it's what I've heard.) I think most people are done with movies and probably just want to do something else with their lives.
And also our kids which most of us even went to the theater for, have grown up. Mine are both in college now & can see movies on their own time.
@@natashacutiepie6074 that's thing. The bulk of the fans are now in college or married
It's literally insane how virtue signaling can ruin an artistic vision
M.c.u. is just content, and virtue signaling can ruin even that!
They never had an artistic vision to begin with
@@pyropulseIXXI. Truer words have never been spoken!
@@pyropulseIXXI you might believe that it was a bad vision, but you can't say that didn't have any vision up until Endgame.
Well put 👍
Its actually worse. Because of the nature of a joint universe, every story in theory builds on what came before. So while there is a steady decrease for the incentive to watch these shows, there is a mounting cost as well. Nobody wants to go back and do all that "homework" slogging through hours upon hours of terrible content just to know wtf is even going on in the new one.
Yeah, i remember a lot of people around me hating the idea of having to watch agents of shield just to see coulson again and more people hating having to watch wandavision just to understand why scarlet went cookoo for coco puffs
thank you, got to watch 300 movies and shows just to get that 1 joke in that 1 Marvel movie 😂
Me, my brother and my father always watched MCU movies together. She-Hulk was the breaking point and we genuinely stopped watching after the twerking scene at the end.
That doesn't just happen for us. I'm sad to know it hasn't gotten better. What a shame.
Valid point, but what about the idea that the part of listed characters being dead. I mean unfortunately we don't have an actor, who played Tchala's Black Panther (yes I don't remember the names of actors, so I would go by the names of characters, deal with it) . Wolverine is technically gone, and so is Rid Richards. You said that the idea of multiverse does not make stakes high, so I am kind of wondering if picking a random hero from alternative universe would be hell of a cheap move?
From a story perspective, the death of Tony Stark worked really well. However, Disney completely failed to find a new lead as this video discusses. Endgame would not have been as impactful if Tony had not died. That signified an end of an era and I consider the MCU dead after Spiderman far from home which effectively serves as an epilogue to the infinity saga.
I say No Way Home was the end of the MCU era tbh. It was nice seeing the OG Toby and Middle Man Garfield
Say what you want about the show Moon Knight, Oscar Isaac absolutely killed that role and is CLEARLY the best actor in Phase 4. I need a lot more of him.
Yeah, Moon Knight or The main character from the legend of the ten rings (I can't spell his name lol) would be a great anchor in my opinion.
@@user-dj3jo8po4xChang Chi
@@user-dj3jo8po4x Shang Chi, good to see you liking him
Yeah, I liked MoonKnight. Not that its a masterpiece, but it wasn't bad.
I would have rather them make Moon knight a movie and eternal’s a tv show
1:00 bro thats such a heavenly sound, what song is this?
Marvel should've paid their writers more money instead of actors
2018: “Superhero fatigue is a myth! They can do anything with any character! Endless genres! Too big to fail!” 💪😀
2023: 🗿
Whenever you hear someone talking like the present will continue forever, that's a good time to get the fuck out, since it means you're in a bubble that's about to pop.
It's not superhero fatigue, it's BAD superhero stuff and we've been getting alot of it for years now
There is no such thing as 'fatigue,' you oaf. If the movies were good, people would watch them. Fatigue would be if people stopped watching masterpiece level superhero movies.
But you go "People aren't watching these shit movies; must be because it is a superhero movie..."
@@ninjanibba4259 Fatigue would be if literal masterpiece level superhero movies dropped and the general audience went "nah." Instead, people decided to stop watching SHIT movies, and oafs go "must be fatigue."
These films will make money as long as there are morons who don't expect anything from a movie except people in costumes, hurling pink and blue energy beams at each other. And those folks won't even watch the movie, they'll spend the whole time fooling around with their phones.
they're obviously kinda trying with doctor strange to be the new stark, but they're so, confusingly, uncommitted to actually giving him any arc with any emotion or vigor..
its bizarre affff..
all of the past writers and directors have completely vanished from the MCU, and they keep hiring agenda-driven hacks,,
Well yah cause agenda driven hacks are cheap and easly expolited cause they don't care about the franchise as long get to do what they think will be the film launches there career in Hollywoo
Part of the reason is that Strange is connected to a lot of characters but not like Stark was. Yes he worked with the Guardians in Infinity War but does hr have any relationship with any of that team? He has one with Spider-Man but now he doesn't even remember half their important interactions. Captain Marvel, has he talked to her before? (Shuri) Black Panther, Shang-Chi and the new Captain America.... not at all. If Strange is the new MCU focal point, his best foil would be Wanda, whom just "died" in Multiverse of Madness.
@@navonmyhand7999yeah youd think dr strange would be it because cumberbatch is the only actor with enough charisma to pull it off but the problem is dr strange kinda does his own thing with his own agenda so theres not a great way to pull it all together. His character is one of the only interesting ones left so you'd place him in that category but hes really just a extremely over qualified support character that shows up for other peoples character arcs like gandalf. The gap is kinda too massive and they just needed a similar nick fury forces players to interact movie again, but instead they decided to move everyone even farther apart with multiverse bs.
On a side note, if you listen to most of the writers commentate and look at thier resumes they have no qualifying experience for this stuff. Pretty sure there's some marvel nepotism to make resumes look really good going on
The funny thing to me is that Disney/MCU for all their successes and experience. Could they have not navigated post end game better? Like Hiring the best of the best to write and plan stuff. Surely they can afford it.
Now it feels like they just hire writers by randomly pulling a name out of a hat.
I rewatched most of phase 1-3 a couple of months ago and the quality difference is astonishing. From the dialogue/script to the vfx and choreography.
The only thing I can think of is the death of Chadwick really threw their plans out of the window (assuming he was going to play a bigger role in the universe). But even then it shouldn’t have got this bad.
@@IBLIZA23 honestly thinking bp was a huge scheme in thier plans might be giving them too much credit lol. Marvels such a mess writers between shows in the same phase dont even know what the rules and world building are between one another, if they even cared to study any relevant material in the first place. I think in general disney doesnt respect the media outside of it being a investment like pieces of artwork and thought they could cut corners and spread themselves over more projects because they assumed it was a self sustaining star. The writing isnt "cinema art" anyway so we could throw anyone at it and the name will draw people in. Its mostly thier hubris that lead them up to this point.
For 10 years, I was boring my Dad talking about MCU, and how anticipated the "final movie" at the time was.. got really into comic books, and could feel the weight of the infinity saga years before it was cemented. 2018 was a really special year because of it, and despite everything, my Dad finally became interested in it ally and it became a cornerstone of our daily discussions over the phone.. he obviously takes much more nuanced and serious ideas out of it, while I handle the more fantastical and mystical inplications, but the MCU at one pount was such a phenomena, my world war/history loving father, who at one point was vehemently against this idea of "too many movies to remember" when gave it a chance, sang his praises.
And neither of us can deny how fucking shit it became over the years..
I seriously take more enjoyment and appreciation from these movies while I listen to Mauler and the EFAP gang taking it apart piece by piece, or the myriad of video essays indulging me into topics and themes that werent crystal clear to me on first watch.
It is hilarious that rather than being the source of entertainment, the people behind these projects nowadays are so unqualified that discussing the movies are more fun than the movie itself.
Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3 on the other hand.. chefs kiss, weaponized feelings and a dozen opportunities to cry your eyes out, so good, made us remember of what the MCU once was and what it was supposed to be (something something quicksilver asking Cap if this is S.H.I.E.L.D)
Yes you’re depressed we get it
@@kaponosucksYou seem more depressed kiddo.
I think the biggest problem of the mcu right now is that they haven't introduced the x men and F4 as a whole yet.
The problem with Iron Man is that after a few movies everybody startet acting like him, even Steve. Everybody jokes and take nothing serious...
They didn't understand that it wasn't the jokes what people liked, it was the whole character
when did steve act like tony?
I have always hated this mask stuff, where people think that someone can't act through a mask. They have an entire body... literally everything down to where they put their shoulders to how tilted their head is, would be MORE than fine. Not to mention context, music, camerawork, whatever
Main problem for me was after Thanos they needed a new direction/main bad guy. The multiverse idea is great but every time they've had a chance to expand upon it or show Kang to be this unstoppable monster it's faltered. With no direction each movie is just bland.
Also getting so many new really young actors in each movie was annoying. I'm watching Doctor Strange to watch him and not for this young girl.
No half measures. Either go full on with the mulitverse idea or don't, same with secret invasion. It should've been an avengers movie after a few build up of the story across a few movies. What a mess.
i dont think they understand their audience grew up and dont want kiddy movies with childish jokes.
To me the ant-man movies were smaller character based stories, it didn’t seem like the first one planned beyond its ending. It could have been the MCU movies that are basically the opposite of the MCU movie
It’s been proven they will not be that, but personally Paul Rudd as Ant-Man is my favorite MCU casting
Edgar Wright supposed to direct ant Man 1, he Even wrote a script which later to be what we saw (not all) but feigi refuse to Let him to do what he want
@@boboboy8189 Ant Man 1 that we got was good tho so no problems there
@@theamazingspooderman2697antman movies are all boring with terrible villains
You are precisely correct about the importance of Iron Man/Tony Stark to the MCU. That character had by far the best development arc over phases 1 to 3.
Nah, nope, he didn't. Only movies that really showed his development - first Iron Man and probably, first Avengers. And then it's stay the same with repeating his "anti-egoism" theme over and over again.
@@user-vp7jr2ho2viron man solos ur favourite marvel hero
@@user-vp7jr2ho2vNope you're wrong. And phase 4 sucks. Cry harder
I think early Iron Man also provided some very necessary grounding of the characters to the "Real World". Starting off the franchise with basically 2008 era American Middle East War, and Tony Stark being "just some smart guy" made all of his technological and power advancements through the film very understandable. He blows up a tank, a jet, blocks some bullets... okay; that's understandable to the viewer. When Iron Man gets more powerful, you can relate his new suit to previous versions. When Captain America and Thor show up and dust knuckles with Iron Man, suddenly you can understand THEIR power in relation to everything else, and that understanding carries up the chain all the way to Endgame.
In MCU Phase 68.5, some arbitrary space wizard dude that was introduced in the currently being watched streaming show... pulls a multi-verse out of his b-hole and cuts a rock ice-monster dragon in half... nobody knows anything about what that means. At that point the magic and the power scaling has become completely broken and unintelligible. It has lost it's context. Can this new guy blow up a bus? Thanos? A planet? Could he multiverse portal Iron Man in half? What does that even mean for current and future villains and characters? Who knows... because it's lost it's grounding, and it's lost any sort of consistency due to the billions of writers more concerned about their own personal agendas than creating and contributing to a cohesive and enjoyable universe.
They need a reboot, but it hasn't been long enough, and the replacement could never catch the lightning in a bottle... so I guess I'm done with it for a long time.
Wow I never actually thought of that. Adds to the already long list of reason why current MCU is mid.
MCU fans: MCU is dead
Star Wars fans: First time?
8:22 _"Keeping fans around is difficult but bringing them back after they've left is a mountain of a task."_
Especially when Disney has gone out of its way to antagonize the fans. We've been telling Disney for years now exactly what is wrong with their product (the writing) and they stubbornly, defiantly continue to make crap. At some point, those fans stop caring and they are NEVER coming back.
We told them what was wrong, we gave them chances, we walked away.
Honestly kind've hilarious how Disney's big bosses look to cut costs in the parks/ other areas yet you wanna spend a couple hundred million on a tv show for characters the audience doesnt care about
Also with how much shitty shows they its imPossible to get back into the mcu after phase 3 so they would basically need to re do all of phase 4 with good writing to get fans back
@@banned2911 they don't need a reboot they just need to move on and make decent shows instead of pumping out content like now, part of it is they need to stop making villians into just the punching bag of the week like many films they've made since avengers has done
They’ve methodically gone through and destroyed every beloved male super hero, replacing them with female versions of the character infinitely stronger, better, and badass than them in every way.. or so they relentlessly try and shove down our throats in EVERY aspect of EVERY new addition to their super hero franchises
Thor wasn't even mentioned as a potential new anchor. Just shows how universal his character was crapped on and wasted. Can't even be thought as, as a new anchor considering he's still alive. I'm pretty sure Feige called Strange rhe new anchor because of the multiverse stuff. But honestly I don't see it.
You make a good point, but I think that the problem with Thor is not the character, not the actor, or even how he is written in the films, but the fact that he is not human. He can not be "the backbone" of the MCU, because people just won't be able to connect as well with him as they did with Iron Man and Captain America.
I mean, the same can be said about The Vision. A very interesting character, portrayed by a great actor ... but he just doesn't work as the main character.
@@Grubnarhumanity isnt really needed though, vision isnt a good leader for the MCU because the only arc he has is coming to terms with humanity which we got glimpses of in infinity war, thor's issue is that each movie he appears in he turns more and more into a joke. In his first film he was given a decent little arc but thats it, in avengers he just made joks and had a mini spat with loki, then every single one of his appearances after that he's just joking and reacting to the situation instead of learning anything. In dark wolrd, he just fought the guy stealing his girlfriend/threatening the world, in age of ultron he wanders off just to come back to bring in Vision, in ragnarok he gets a little bit of character, but again not much then infinity war makes him a good character arc of not being strong enough and endgame gives payoff but not without making him a massive joke. All in all, Thor was too mistreated to ever be turnen into the MCU lead
@@The_Archer-he2ft u think Thor was the best in the first movie? that's the most horrendous opinion I've ever seen
by that logic all Thor did in the first movie was fail to defeat the Ice Giants and couldn't even defeat Loki
he didn't just made jokes, he defeated Iron Man without going all out, he defeated the giant Shark like flying thing with his lightning not once but twice, he held off Hulk with minimum use of his hammer, I won't even correct u in other parts bcz of how bad those points are
to sum Thor's growth, he couldn't take down Jotunheim with 3 people helping him while he single handedly stopped Ragnarok in Thor: Ragnarok (before Hela forced him to start the Ragnarok again)
@@theamazingspooderman2697 i mean i have no doubt that MCU thor was weaker than comics thor, that isnt what i'm saying, i'm saying thor is advancing a character in that movie. The rest of his appearances have a character but the only emotional moment after the first movie i felt worked was him talking to his mother and that had a literal fatduit affect it
When he played that song as the outro😂
Found him. The aaah guy at 1:00 is Steve Mweusi, the song name is "Aaah" (I'm dead serious).
Dr Strange and Black Panther should have been the co-leads. Black Panther should have been recast. No disrespect to Chadwick but I'm sure there is a talented actor out there that could have taken up the mantle. Wakanda Forever was decent at best but it was missing it's main character. Thor was extremely mishandled after Endgame. Another possible lead/co-lead. No more Marvel for me till after they fix this mess.
Phase 4 should have introduced strong villains winning most of the time. Causing new heroes to appear and eventually teaming to become the Avengers. Introduce recasted Tony Stark and Steve Rogers somewhere in that. There is no shame in recasting if it is done right.
I thought Black Panther should have been recast after seeing it. If Tom Holland or someone major passed away, you know they would recast the character. Boseman was excellent but it doesn't help to off his character
Iron Man 1 was the absolute first and best.
I remember the excitement building around it as we all realised we were finally going to get a superhero movie done absolutely right.
Because disney is not producing it, you know what happened after Disney tookover? They forbid creating villain same level as joker.
Winter Soldier was peak MARVEL
MCU needs to drop strong indipendent female lead, forced black female characters, not being racist and sexist.. but forcing a character just for the sake of representation is not doing good for anyone.
They need to develop the character, build the fanbase, develop emotions for the character in the hearts of audiance.
Go woke, go broke.
Disney spent years trying to get rid of the "Star Name" in Hollywood. Anthony Mackie's "black capt America" talks about it in an interview there no star actors anymore and Disney is slowly getting rid of big name actors. But now that there's no star in the MCU there's no one to anchor the new phase like RDJ. Im sure they were thinking once RDJ leaves the brand will be big enough to not be at the mercy of big name actors anymore. They were wrong Now this new phase is floundering.
I would've loved to see a strange/black panther duo as the leaders. I suppose with doctor strange it's still possible despite all the damage they done but black panther is not, for obvious reasons (R.I.P Chadwick Boseman) Haven't seen a new marvel movie since infinity war though, and i don't miss it.
In current year a white man and a black man could never share the stage unless the white man was submissive and the black man was an activist.
if they just recast chadwick they might've still been able to do this.
@@gregorymirabella1423nope. They wanna show GIRLPOWER 👭 💀
The future is female, boys. Didn't you get that memo?
@@boboboy8189
But they killed off both Wanda and Black Widow.
Huge mistake to kill both Cap and Ironman. Cap should still be alive imo leading the new avengers.
No, don't bring them in this shitshow, their characters were perfectly concluded
bruh their contracts ended, now they want more money
@@sodabutnofizz1294 they got Disney as there parent company. Downey is understandable, cause he was making like 50 mill per movie in the later years as Ironman. Evans made 20 mill in endgame. They could’ve kept him for like 3-4 movies
@@cosmicknight4665 after seeing disney going new heights to please feminist and liberal agendas for money, im guessing they wont do anything that costs them MORE money
u know that the characters aren't real and their contract ended right?
Disney are ironically making the exact same mistake marvel actually made with their comics. The same things that killed there comics and shut down thousands of stores.
Kind of a bold choice.
What is that song at the end. I gotta find that lol
One of the saddest things about this all is. If you try and talk to MCU and Star wars fans. That the stuff being produced is bad. I'm losing money. They will tell you that shut up and that your lying. They will not listen to you at all. I'm basically stick their head in the sand going la la la la. I don't even think they would believe Disney itself even if it came out and said Star wars in the MCU are dead and that you lose us money.
That's becaue today's MCU and Star Wars fan is stupid the genuinely belive that both franchise are being bold and progressive remember that these are the people who whole heartedly still call themselves 90s kids talk about how Boomers are evil and constantly talk about how much they have depression so yah total freaking morons who need there media to be safe and constantly saying how great they are
i think after wandavision disney realized they can pump out all these low effort projects and the hardcore fans will take it no matter what
All good things must come to an end
But please don't make us to hate it in the end just end why marvel why
what movie is the line "thank you little roots, please stay strong" from? I remember watching it but didn't know the name of the movie
Black Sheep with Chris Farley
Man infinity war is where it ended for me, with the bad guy winning, cause that’s what feels like what happened in real life.
Well it was like lord of the rings
I remember a couple of years before Endgame was released I was having a discussion with a friend about how it was going downhill after phase three and that I would hop off the bandwagon right after. He disagreed and wondered why I thought that. That was around five or six years ago. I was hoping to be wrong, but sadly, my predictions were true.
Literally everyone called it that the MCU was going to crash and burn after _Endgame._ It is a pretty obvious outcome
@@pyropulseIXXI Endgame was bad. It was nothing but a forced 3 hour retcon.
@@bwhere45 When and where did I say Endgame wasn't bad? I said literally everyone predicted the MCU would fall off a cliff post Endgame, which is exactly what happened
@@pyropulseIXXI I never once even hinted that you thought Endgame was good. Learn to read.
@@bwhere45 I was literally thinking "this guy is going to reply how I did," which is exactly what you did
If you didn't think that I thought Endgame wasn't bad, then why did you explain the obvious to me?
There is something called *implication*
John Walker is probably the one good character in the entire Multiverse Saga.
If I had a nickle everytime a youtuber with movie in their name who made a video essay saying how "the mcu is dying" or "dead" i'd be fucking rich.
I believe the downfall was No Way Home… I loved the movie and obviously everyone else did but marvel shot themselves in the foot with it. They’re constantly trying to reclaim that endgame hype and they had to do it through the cameos. Unfortunately No Way Home failed to drive any overall phase 4 story imo
That and it was the catalyst for the multiverse along with the MM movies, so it is now part of the problem.
I don't think they ever should have bothered with the multiverse, how about flesh out your current universe first.
I really don't know how to salvage how bad they did the multiverse.
They really should’ve taken a hiatus after endgame and actually plan their next phase rather than rushing in with a quantity over quality plan. Good news is that their not in deep of a hole as DC is and all they really need to do is release 3 legitimately good films and the faith in the mcu is restored but now idk. I feel like guardians 3 is the last legitimately good mcu project we’ll get.
That's the problem it feels like they are just pumping them out, back then we had a more consistent pace of movies, meanwhile now we are getting more movies along with TV Shows which diminished the quality of the movies, with the exceptions being GOTG 3 and No Way Home and maybe Shang Chi otherwise it's just mediocrity
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 what’s even funnier is how legendarys monsterverse is doing the same thing marvel did in phases 1-3 by taking their time at crafting their universe. They even have their own lore department so they can focus on actually fleshing everything out too. It’s sad that with the mcu the movies and shows major issue is that it doesn’t feel like storytelling but rather just projects created to set up more projects. It’s to the point where I’ll rarely watch an mcu project.
And that one was, for the most part, written before the end times. The only truly good movie in Phase 4 was No Way Home, and that one worked mostly thanks to the cameo characters and the emotional moments hitting the right way, cus the story has some serious plotholes. Can't wait for the superhero genre to fuck off so that there's awareness focused in other, more deserving ones
should have officially ended it there, leave everything after Tony's snap up to the imagination, use it as the excuse they needed to soft reboot anything that needed to reboot with new characters and new villains who weren't out to destroy the universe as we know it.
The MCU badly needed to step back into more personal, more self-contained stories to give the audience a chance to breathe and Disney an excuse to cut production costs. It would have probably meant lower box office takes anyway, but they'd have also given themselves many more chances to actually profit and expand their fan base with new brands. A good enough b-tier superhero movie made on a modest budget could still have been massively successful.
That's kind of what's so shocking about all this... what ultimately failed at Disney was their basic business sense
@@petriew2018 Funnily enough, the TV shows would've been the perfect way to give us smaller, down to earth stories, while they could've left the big bombastic events to the movies. For example, they could've taken some minor but popular heroes, like Daredevil or Blade, give them a villain of the week format and boom, regular content. Then, a show or two with more narrative importance but still smaller scale, like Wandavision if it kept the quality of writting it had the first episodes. Finally, for the big payoffs or just bigger stories, a movie or two a year. This way, they could've diversified the budgets instead of turning everything into basically the same gelatinous sludge Phase 4 and 5 have turned out to be. Hell, they had the Netflix Daredevil show to show them (heh) how a more street level story could work, just take notes on how they did it and adapt it to another superhero with the same scope, they basically had their work done for them
the issue I have when people talk about "oh, Marvel needs the Avengers" and "oh, Marvel really shouldn't be bringing in C or D tiers" is that, Iron Man wasn't exactly popular, yet the movie was. He was a B or C tier hero himself and yet, even with zero brand recognition for the MCU, his first movie was a breakout success. The issue is, and only ever has been, quality. 'Burnout' can impact performance but good word of mouth and brand building is what matters in the long run. Tons of people did ignore Andor because 'oh come on, *_another_* star wars thing?' but word of mouth kept spreading that, no, it was legitimately really good.
I understand headphones are a thing and I could use them. Please turn up your mic volume the cut-ins were at a good volume but whatever volume your voice is aint just isnt loud enough
I thought eternal was the first mcu movie to lose money... a lot in fact
Rightfully so. I cringe to think any of the new movies will reference it.
Cap 1 and thor 1 also losing money
@@boboboy8189rather watch those two movies than eternals
@@boboboy8189 shh, u can't talk bad about previous phases, u would be seen as a meatrider, edit your comment whole u still have time
This made me realize that years after endgame, we haven't even hear rumors of the next avengers. Yes we did saw few candidates but the thought of 'oh they're totally gonna team up for an avengers level threat' isn't present in the past couple of years. Heck, even most of the new characters (and old ones) aren't even a good team player. The Thunderbolts took too long to reveal and they have a more promising, experienced members and leader.
On your point with Tony, Tony in both the comics and film was central to Peter Parker’s involvement with Civil War. What THEY DID NOT DO, was have Tony catastrophically fail (which IS in character to Tony) to protect Peter’s personal and social life. When Aunt May’s life is targeted along with MJ and his friends, Tony abandons Peter, essentially saying “you knew the price of choosing my side”. Yes he got the fancy Iron Spider suit and tech, but at the cost of his morals.
The MCU AVOIDED this on purpose so they could extend Tony’s influence on Peter even if he died in Endgame. But this was a double edged sword. Yes it’s emotional to watch Peter cry over his THIRD father figure, and YES it’s convenient to have Stark Tech just fix every single freaking problem for Peter, but all you’re reminded of eventually is that you want Tony back. You eventually don’t even care about Tom as Spider Man because his WHOLE personality is REMINDING you about Tony, preventing us from moving on like he struggles to.
1:01 - Steve Mweusi - Aaaah (For those asking the name of this song. He's a Tanzanian comedian).
I can't really think of anything that would make me care about the MCU again. I feel i've seen everything there is to see.
She hulk season 2
I'm waiting on what if season 2 and The other Spiderman into the spider verse movie other than that there isn't much I care for anymore tbh might check out Loki
Ngl, I'll probably watch the kang dynasty when that comes out, but I'm probably gonna skip everything else
I'd be interested if they just rebooted phase 4 and 5. they can start by making a good taskmaster.
@@attackcrash655the season 1 episode 1, the preface alone, already screams wokeism rubbish (and oh yeah, watch the interview regarding if you want. Author intertwining it with "women's toilets" Utter cringefest) and reason not to go along with that streaming diarrhea rubbish
It’s funny we were all curious saying “where could they go from here” and now we’re like okay that’s enough
I think great connecting villain would have been Norman Osborn (if they could still use him).
I liked how in Spectacular Spider-Man he was the guy, who was making supervillains, to prevent Spider-Man from spoiling plans of crime bosses, so he could do the same thing, just for TV shows. Maybe some mobsters, villains or even government hires him to distract heroes so they don't spoil their plans, or just as bodyguards/super servants. They don't have to be main villains of the show, villain of the week is fine.
Then maybe one of those experiments backfires (or works exactly as it should) and we'll get MCU's own Green Goblin, who would appear go against Spider-Man in his last MCU movie.
X-Men could’ve single handedly carried D+ & theatrical releases for a decade.
Good analysis. You did not mention the Wokeness of the Marvel stuff. For many that killed it for them. They started to lecture and social engineer instead of entertain.
I think all that just gets filed under "shitty writing"!
The Movie Cynic does not want to beat a dead horse. You might learn more about this part of the problem in his earlier video about She-Hulk being the worst show ever made.
@@adamkalb1 That's probably what it is. In terms of optics, though, it doesn't look that way.
A movie and show can still be good and entertaining with deeper important messages, that's what makes it so good. And uhm... some of marvel did not do it right. *COUGH SHE HULK*
Ah, yes, we're STILL using this annoying word 🙄
Anyone know the name of the video with the guy with bad singing? That’s hilarious!
Who would have thought that pumping out the same movie every year would lead to burnout.
Spider-Man could've and should've been the main anchor going into the next phase. However, due to Sony, they probably didn’t want to do that. It even makes sense for him to be one of the leaders to lead the New Avengers as he was mentor by Tony and fought alongside everyone against Thanos and his army. His battle knowledge and experience is up there. Even if Disney/Marvel and Sony worked out a deal to have Spider-Man as a prominent figure going into phase 5, Tom Hollan stated he doesn’t wish to continue acting as the web swinger. This would lead to yet another recast which many of us are exhausted from.
Tom Holland is just talking a break I'm pretty sure, he will be back
Another thing that would’ve made Spidey perfect as the new centerpiece is that he was the youngest of the Avengers at the time; the de-facto ‘kid who flails around in the original, then grows into his own and becomes the new leader’.
100% agree. MCU is dying and it’s sad because I was such a huge fan like so many. There was so much anticipation before every film 2016-2019 because you knew you were gonna watch someone great. That magic is now gone. The MCU used to be about character driven stories with great action and cgi plus an underlined story arch. I don’t see any of that in the movies/tv shows today. The only exception was Guardians 3. In my opinion that’s been the best film marvel has done since endgame because it focused on character development and storytelling. If the MCU wants to get back on track, follow that formula. However, that’s the problem with Disney as a whole. Their all about money. It’s become more about putting out as much content as possible as fast as possible to consume without actually any effort to keep the audience engaged they way the MCU became the most successful movie franchise in history. As long as Disney has the wheel, the car will always go off the rails.
If you agree with this disgusting ass vide then you’re a fucking idiot and a faggot who doesn’t deserve to life and has no point in this life. The MCU IS NOT DYING it cannot die
Like who in your life fucking hurt you or the Movie Cynic this much to be trolls and hurt the holy saga that was made by god himself the MCU IS CINEMA
Dude it's not what it used to be ur telling millions of fans who hurt them bruh. Who are u trying to convince us or you
@@kierancrocker4430so true the MCU is amazing and is the only real cinema we have left. Everyone that’s hating on the MCU because it isn’t the same anymore needs to grow up and realize that the MCU is the greatest thing to happen to cinemas
thats an overestatement. You cant possibly think Ant mand was a good movie lmao @@TheNerdWhoKnocks