How Did F1 Drivers Operate Their 2-stage Clutches? [WITH DEMO!]
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- čas přidán 5. 10. 2021
- On the back of most F1 cars are four paddles. Two clicky ones for the gears and then two more analogue ones that operate the clutch, as there is no room for the third pedal in the cockpit.
But how do they actually use these paddles to get the perfect launch with zero wheelspin? I attempt to make a getaway using the clutch paddles on my direct drive rim.
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They now use a single paddle system, but the dual stage thing is still epic fun to use.
I was about to comment. Didn't F1 ban double clutch system and go to a single clutch system but you beat me to it
The name of the shaft you were looking for is the gearbox input shaft or first motion shaft if you're over 50. Drive shafts go between the diff and the wheel hub unless you're working on a Land Rover in which case they are half shafts. As we are English the shaft that goes between the gearbox and diff is a propeller shaft. Nikita Mazepin is also a shaft.
Isaac Hayes was also a Shaft.
@@AidanMillward I got a shaft with your name on it, bb 😘
@@AidanMillward as was Samuel L Jackson, if I recall
The drive shaft is the same thing as a prop shaft the words are interchangeable. If it's an independent rear suspension the half shaft is what goes between the hub and the diff.
Hakkinen always had epic starts as well
Mika!
@@F-Man like at suzuka 1999
@@tomislavblazevic2742 That was just pure Sisu
@@tomislavblazevic2742 suzuka 98-2000 every year was an incredible start
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Sure, but he didn't have to do so much in 1998, as Schumacher was pushed to the back. And in 2000 he did well, but it wasn't enough, unfortunately. That start in 1999 was decisive for the championship :)
Now this is some top quality content. I didn't know they were 2 stage
Two stages up until the end of 2015.
Best video on f1 clutch work
Amazing man
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Terrific ending! 😄 Really interesting video, though. Thanks for the demo!
This kind of video is great! A lot of people are asking for stuff like this!
How is all the clutch magic not considered a “Electronic Driver Aid”
Because they spent a lot of money on it and the teams would rebel if it was banned. That and there's the argument of F1 supposedly being a high-tech prototype formula so things like this would be expected. Just MHO, of course.
Because it is for starts only, and doesn't help the driver with actual driving, actual driving in this case is when the car is actually moving.
great to have the demo being shown.
always watched your videos, but wanted to comment just to say a big thank you
Very neat video.
This is one of those things I assumed I know how it works but never bothered to check due to being lazy.
Hey man really enjoy your channel, found you a couple weeks ago forgot to subscribe and have been searching F1 CZcams like a madman to find you again. (subbed now!)
If I had one suggestion it would be just for the sake of your videos would be to either remove or get new glasses with anti glare, anti blue to take away the reflection, or maybe move your camera to the left so it's not straight at your monitor and closer to your face?
Love the context happy to watch your past videos and see those in the future!
Good video learned a lot.
awesome video
Every time I see that back back straight she came the nightmares come back from the NASCAR race about a month or two ago at Indy
Hey Aidan would you ever consider doing a video on team arrows? As despite racing before my time I was fascinated by their orange livery of the early 2000’s.
Very nice
"if you try to change gears without the clutch in a road car you'll get the horrible grinding noise"
Well, not necessarily. If you synchronize the vehicle speed with the gear and engine speed you can shift without a clutch. I had the clutch go out on my truck a few years ago and had to drive it home like that. It takes some practice but if you drive a manual learning how to float shift can save you from a flat bed bill.
Seconded. I drove my car from Holyhead to London with a destroyed clutch slave cylinder with the only issue being starting from a complete stop....
Yea take everything Aiden says with a grain of salt, when it has to do with auto tech and engineering. Love the channel but he gets a lot of the small details wrong when it comes to the mechanics and engineering of vehicles. Drag racers, without paddle shifters, shift without a clutch all the time. They have straight cut "dog" gears though, not the standard helical cut and synchroed gear set in a road car, which let's them slam through the gears without waiting for a rev match. Rally cars use the same type of gear set, but have a compressed air system that does the actual gear shift, or it at least use to be compressed air and not electrical. My point being, race cars have basically never needed you to use a clutch to up shifts and downshifts only used the clutch for chassis stability.
@@99EKjohn again, seconded, but with a caveat. I didn't read your full comment (cos I'm a lazy cunt, and just pick up on shit I want to (like most other people)). Banging up the gears with no clutch is only cool on a motorbike (I do it as a matter of course, but use the clutch on downshift), or in a full on rally car, cos normally the gearbox will shit itself if not properly prepared for it
@@LiamNI well yea that's why I talked about the gear set they put in race cars and rally cars, straight cut "dog" gears. The whine you hear from a racing gearbox, or a motorcycle gearbox, is because they use straight cut gears and not helical. Helical is technically stronger per square inch, but they are weaker in practice and design. The brass syncros in a standard trans will wear out and/or break too if you just slam gears in a standard car, that's why race boxes use "dog" gears. Oh and technically you don't need the clutch for downshifts either, but then you better be able to rev match almost perfectly, and on a bike you have to match the revs really really fast or your going to have a very bad time since you don't have a neutral position between gears, but it is still possible.
That’s something I’ve always been curious about. Like I knew these couldn’t have been automatic but I also knew they couldn’t have been stick shifts because where are you going to fit a stick in one of those formula cars? I never thought it was possible to use the wheel to shift. I have learned something new
Formula 1 did use manual transmissions all the way up to the early part of 1996, when the Forti team became the last ones to convert to the sequential, paddle shift unit.
Yeah, back in the day there were a small shifter on the right side of the driver but since the 90's f1 cars have paddle shifters
As mentioned above they were 3 pedal stick shifts until the early 90s but the cockpits were a bit more spacious then they are now. They were wider to accommodate 3 pedals and the seating position wasn't as laid back, the opening at the top was also wider so you had more room to move your arms around
While you can't see the stick in the video below, you can see Senna taking his hand off the wheel to change to shift the gears. They was some space in the older cars.
czcams.com/video/GoHrQEbZcVk/video.html
Max did the low revs start at imola I think last year (I can't quite remember when it was but I am pretty sure it was imola last year) where he was in second with no revs and he got the best start out of everyone. That is prolly the only time low revs the best way to start the race
Have you moved your brake magic button or have you still got DAS. Another good video.
Who stole your superb Pirelli tyres.
Ah, now I can finally use the APM on the FV2 rim. I was wondering, but hadn't looked into how to use the clutch pedals.
awesome
I gotta know. Where do you get closer tunes from?
"GIVE IT THE FU@*#NG BEANS, (AIDAN)!"
Probably completely wrong, and I know it was the first f1 car with the paddle shift but thought the Ferrari 640 from 1989 was also the first without a clutch pedal or the 1991 fw14? (Been years since I read Mansel's autobiography so probably remembering wrong)
Just a question, how does the car get out of the garage? I've seen Jimmy's video on the same topic but I couldn't get into grips with what he said there. I've heard something called "bite point".
Engage the bite point with the right paddle and you can pretty much ride that until you’re into the actual lane and feed the second part in.
Just with less revving than the starts.
I was curious about this when I heard "clutch paddle" on the steering wheel.
Which sim is this by the way?
You haven't fully described what the left clutch paddle does.
If the right clutch paddle engages/disengages the clutch (similar to a floor clutch pedal), what is your left paddle doing? Why is it held down until 100m off the line?
The "drop it" paddle (right hand, on the left in the camera shot) is the bite point. The other paddle is engaged but slipping through to fully engaged when released. It's a way of eliminating the need to find the bite point (like you might with a floor clutch when you have an inch off the floor that makes no difference) whilst also giving you the full travel necessary to eliminate wheel spin via clutch slip with the left hand (right in the camera shot) paddle. Otherwise you'd have very little travel on an already short throw paddle if you did it with a single paddle. Right paddle drop clutch, but left paddle feathers to stop wheelspin and eating your tyres in the first 50m.
So what’s the cheapest way of getting this kind of set up? I’m currently using a Logitech three pedal with optional h pattern shifter. I can remember what model it is. It’s the cheapest expensive one (if that makes sense) they make. I really want as realistic a wheel as possible without having to sell a kidney. Also would it be worth investing in a full chair/cockpit that I can attach everything to?
I was raised right foot braking and even though i know its slower i still cant make my self left foot brake when i sim race. Im stuck old school
Oh one more question if I may. Is there a like “beer league” for sim racing? I really enjoy it but I’m quite incredibly crap at it. Think mazapin but even worse.
imo
paddle clutch with paddle shifters > paddle shifters
it would be cool if thats a thing in gt racing it might be i dont watch gt racing
actually i have no idea if thats a thing or is even possible
i have no idea how a car works lol
John Barnard should like this video
Now they have to use only the one paddle while setting off
wasn't the dual clutch system banned for 2020?
2016, along with the variable bite point.
@@AidanMillward I seem to remember that the rules were tightened even more for 2020
I left pedal brake my road car.
Ps5 trigger style paddles, solves e sports paddle clutches, wether anyone will do it and sell it for less than a 5k a wheel remains to be seen 😂
Eevee?
Are we going to get another video on if a DDW is worth it? Because that's a big investment to make and I think it could be really useful to have.
Maybe. Wanna get into the feel of using it for a couple of months first.
Are we going to ignore the fact that the simucube adaptor is upside down? Sorry, I'm a little OCD when it comes to sim racing.
Once it was all on I wasn’t gonna take it off 😅
@@AidanMillward At least with the beauty of the Simucube you can adjust the wheel centre. It's also good for you to join the Simucube platoon.
crotch cam XD
Story time after dark 🤔
@@AidanMillward Roberto?
Didn't F1 ban dual clutch paddles a few years ago?
They banned it for 2016 I believe
@@davidorndorf306 yeah they did, I remember Lewis having issues with his starts that year, honestly it was the main reason he lost the title that year that with the Qualifying crash at Baku and the reliability problems
My hand would cause stalling because im a lazy american and don't exercise
2:18 - r/confidentlyincorrect
The clutch disconnects the engine from the drivetrain/gearbox, not the driveshaft
Sorry bruv... Just shitting on you. I genuinely enjoy your content. Don't take it to heart, and don't shadow ban me like oul Fact Boi... 😂
Not real
You don’t say!?
Then please show us the video of your real F1 car.
You have an F1 car to show us, then? I’ll be waiting!