Ryzen 8000 CPUs Aren't what you Expect...
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- čas přidán 5. 12. 2023
- The AMD Ryzen 8000 series CPUs have been announced but in many ways they aren't what we were expecting and they may also cause some confusion for potential buyers. So let's talk about these new CPUs that focus on Ai in order to compete against Intel Meteor Lake.
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Same core count, same boost clocks, same cache, same iGPU, literally just a rebrand if you don't care about AI.
Yeah the only big thing they did with these is officially announce them before Intel launches Meteor Lake. They can now claim to be "first" with an NPU. Though MTL-U laptops will be available before Hawk Point and more broadly too.
So? I don't get why people are acting like this is some rug being pulled out. We've known since last year that AMD would be having a separate line of apu's with an npu on them. This also isn't AMD's first time putting apu's in their own numbering scheme either.
@@MrMackievelli A few 2023 have NPU too. You're basically asking "so who cares that they're called ryzen 8000 instead of 7000, obviously general consumers will be able to know that they're the same and not spend more on the newer 8000 chip" lol
@@JarrodsTech LOL, no. Who cares about other brands. AMD feels that their is no room in the 7000 series sku's to squeeze another number in. Boohoo. They aren't the 'same', adding a npu adds complexity. If you don't want to spend ten dollars more or whatever it will be for an npu, then don't.
@@MrMackievelliyeah, AMD is basically selling snack oil. And here u are saying “customers are smart enough that they won’t be tricked by amd. So amd is fine we should not call amd out”
Honestly, there is good news with this for AMD. This is actually going to benefit consumers because we can now all buy the 7000 series on a discount!
Yes, I am waiting for that
Same
This year I expect the Ryzen 7 8740HS with 4060s laptops to be less than $1200 . Take the Lenovo legion slim 5 14 OLED for example. It was on sale for $1149 a little bit ago, might go on sale again.
but 8000 series have RDNA 3 while 7000 has RDNA 2, you will lose performance actually
The number of times they mentioned "AI" was one more mention of it away from it being said 69 times...
Do better, AMD. 🥵
well the cpus they announced today are basically the same as last year's, so they have to focus on something.
I was ur 69th like
seek help
It will increase each year ai will more relevant. From all brands
gid gud at simping intel kid
Intel is so mad right now that AMD copied their strategy lol
I'm rather glad that AMD fan boys can finally sod off with their greater than though bs. My experience with AMD is not good. I had to turn off smt on one Ryzen to avoid compatibility issues with a evga 2080ti. I currently have a Ryzen 5 on a laptop blue screening. So in short, the last 7 intel CPUs never gave me one single issue. But the 2 amds I got have issues. Never again will I touch AMD. Biggest mistake I ever made.
@@LimerickWarrior1skill issue
@@LimerickWarrior1 buy a console
@@LimerickWarrior1 1. Too small a sample size to be representitive. 2. *thou.
Amd acquired XILINX years ago.
Honestly I think the refresh has less to do with AMD & Intel’s marketing departments and a lot more to do with Microsoft’s upcoming AI requirements for Windows. AMD and Intel laptop OEM partners are basically forcing the issue here - they need laptops with beefed up AI capabilities for next year’s back to school season, and that means the chips going into those laptops need to be released to the public in Q1 or early Q2. The OEM’s need time to test, validate (not just the chip, but the entire laptop) and then build enough inventory so products can launch in significant volumes by July.
I don’t like the fact that Zen 5 isn’t ready, or that AMD is releasing a refresh without any changes to CPU or CPU architecture, but they’re going to give their OEM customers exactly what they want, and for 2024 that means significant better AI performance via the NPU. Is what it is, at least until Zen 5 and RDNA4 are ready.
This is a trully good point
Is not refresh though, but rebranding. They barely increase something on it.
hmm i thought that microsoft requires 45 tops for win 12. 16 is not enough from the npu. Please correct me if im wrong.
You are wrong! Where did MS say that Windows 12 would need dedicated AI hardware? Only news about it from some garbage article. Did you see the original source that MS published? If you are not, then stop talking BS without any proof. You and other morons who believe everything they read online. I suppose you believe that earth is flat too. @@gloriouscat-fishLover
I don't buy any of that.
This is just marketing. Ai is just the buzzword that they use to sell their chips.
So basically it's like Nvidia's 800 series of GPUs, laptops only and no new architecture
If you want a new laptop architecture in 2024 you'll need to go Meteor Lake.
@@HardwareCanucksand there won't be any boost in performance there either...
@@JBrinx18but there might be efficiency & igpu performance improvements
The gtx 700 series outside the 750(Ti) were the same architecture as the gtx 600 series too.
Its just same as intel 14th gen but with laptop
AMD pulling a 2014 Intel, while Intel pulling a 2014 AMD.
History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
thinking the same about the procesor names xD
So...exactly the same as the last 3 AMD mobile launches? This isn't a surprise. It's the way they've been doing it for years.
Exactly what I thought! AMD has never released new architecture for the laptops first, it's always been current gen with new names for the laptops.
The amount of stink being raised over this is insane, must be pretty slow news-wise.
Glad I am not the only one. Refreshes on Laptops more often is great for consumers. You get 90-95% of the performance at $100-$300 cheaper. I was going to hold out for 6XXX series last year, but they were never put into the lower end laptops, so I ended up with a R5 5625U, and it has been great! Also runs my games when in the field just fine at 1080p.
@@Ravenousjoe A nice step up from my lowly R5 5500U with 8GB single-channel RAM, I'd guess. Beggars can't be choosers, though; I got it free of charge in return for taking part in a month of Zoom seminars.😅
@@auturgicflosculator2183 yeah, I got mine on sale with 8gb of ram and immediately upgraded to 16gb mainly for dual channel lol.
Amd doing an intel. Without competition, thats what corporation needs to do.
Intel stuck on 4 cores for so long because there was no competition.
Buck up intel! I need competitive prices here
But there is competition in the CPU marketplace. This is just marketing to not make their products seem “old”. In many cases this is a result of consumers always wanting new and fresh regardless of it being better.
Also intel won’t be your price challenger, they are always a slight premium.
@@robertt9342 i3 and i5 12th gen were budget kings for price vs. performance compared to AMD in its time. 13th I was not up to date on pricing as I didn't do research when I am not buying.
I also have the r7 5700x which came later which I thought was a good value for an 8 core.
Both amd and intel doing refreshes for this year means I get more life out of my systems despite skipping a generation (or since the announcement on refreshes, it'll be two generations before the performance uplift is at a stage/gap where I need to upgrade.
And both doing refreshes don't really constitute a competition when the performance metrics aren't big enough to make people switch their older systems.
At least as of now, the only announced parts are zen 4, it was pretty difficult to find zen 4 laptops from the 7000 series, most were zen 3 or 3+
They're so difficult to get in mid tier gaming laptops in india T_T ... Hopefully we'll get efficiency of zen 4 in gaming laptops finally
I think the next desktop CPU will be 9000 series. You know cause there wasn't a 4000 or 6000.
it’ll be whatever year it drops in, 9000 would be 2025
Hope not. That would mean that AMD wont have a new desktop CPU in 2024. That would be wierd because Zen4 launched in 2022, and Zen5 is projected in 2024. So that would mean a delay on their roadmap.
But I guess you didn't watch the video, or at least didn't interpret the information presented in it regarding the new naming convention.
@@marsovac "AMD Strix" is said to launch somewhere in 2024, we just don't know when. It may be announced in January.
I am running a 4750G right now.
They kinda did this with the 6000 series, laptop only refresh/rebrand.
Yeah, they already did this...
This may translate into good news for the public. The newer numbers will be priced in a way that the (now current) models will sell for less. For anyone wanting to refresh their older models will be able to do it for (potentially) less money.
I knew they would be laptop only cpus (or APUs specifically)
I had doubts when many people kept saying that it would be a Desktop CPU
There will still be 8000G
@@sjneow zen 4 8000G?
strix point will be available for desktop
Mobo manufacturers already leaked the 8000g apu
NPU is like RT cores but for AI workloads before RT cores the complex light reflection bouncing physics is too hard to render so gpu sacrifice the frame rate so when we got deticated or hardware level RT cores the gpu got less load so it can generate more frames just like that AI workloads will part of the our daily computing like generative ai runs locally with low power and you don't need to depends on cpu or gpu and if AI workloads cpu runs without npu the performance get impacted negatively.
This isn't new, AMD has launched the next numbered series on laptop using a current or last gen tech before.
Is that the Impulse v Freedom fight wallpaper on the monitor? If so respect my friend! Man that fight was epic.
For a refreshed SKU getting that big of an AI speedup I would say it's a decent upgrade. AI stuff is becoming a huge deal not just in novelty but also in performance itself. I wouldn't be so dismissive of it.
that 1st gen rtx was sure useful
@@anonamus604 Does that mean that we should dismiss it even now that you know what it's capable in the current third generation? Do you just hate things not being exactly what you want on the first try? God damn
It's important that media keeps holding both Intel and AMD to account with these deceptive marketing practices and trying to get people caught up in fads or hype like "AI" and "Neural Cores". I do think AI is more then just a buzz word in some instances, like DLSS, Co Pilot Powered Excel, Data Management etc... but no one seems to be able to justify the neural cores for laptops, students, watching youtube etcc....there is a fine line between good marketing and lying to consumers.
AI is the new trend but it's not just buzz word that means nothing. Have watched any sci-fi ever? Also he mentioned in the video there are AI accelerated workloads that will benefit from this right now. Just got it doesn't matter to you or me doesn't mean it's bullshit.
AI is future. Imagine AI doing all your overclock so your system will be stable af. And setting your game to specific fps you want without you manually trying to adjust. Doing generative fill in photoshop offline, doing specific fluid simulation with just asking ai to simulate for you.
@@EdwardElric6464 did u actually read my whole post where I clearly state "AI is more then just a buzz word" lol.
@@alrizo1115 ya bro, your preaching to the choir, I already stated a bunch of current use cases but there is also alot of deceptive marketing around AI, I just watched 2 hours of AMD Execs not being g able to name a single application there new NPU will be used in lol. It's coming, it's useful, it's also alot of trees blocking the forest.
@@vocaloid-loving-neet To be honest, I'm not really full of info of AI capabilities. but as of now, what I do for work and what I notice, it's already taking over and every tech companies definitely know it. I know animation, simulation are already AI optimized. It's deciding on what to do, how to do to meet certain parameters depending on gathered info. With all that said, tuning your computer to it's best will be a basic for AI capabilities. For you gamers, it will be a feature like npc response, map construction, enemy behavior and such.
Money is in AI, and competition is weak so this is natural outcome
Has anyone considered that maybe the average user does not want or need an npu... It's just another waste of money for a lot of people...
@@chronometer9931You think that, but how do you think DLSS or similar technologies operate? They require massive amount of machine learning. It's only going to get worse too, as they will start using ML for game character interactions and whatnot.
@@chronometer9931 AI is getting mainstream by the day. If you dont care about AI, YOU are the niche not AI.
the video literally shows a list of programs that use it@@chronometer9931
Money is in ARM and RISC. This locally run AI stuff is just a distraction. Clearly Apple Silicon was not enough to wake AMD and Intel up. Time for Qualcomm to enter the PC conversation.
Super helpful, thank you!
I upgraded from an older Intel to a new amd 7800x3d. Would you recommend a fresh install of OS and everything? Or just swap over my drives? I wasn't sure if it'd make much difference. I have a new 990pro as my new drive in my new comp. I was thinking of maybe cloning it from my previous computer's ssd.
What did you guys do when you upgraded your setups?
When I upgraded from i5-8600k to 5600x, I didn't reinstall anything in terms of OS. It just worked. Windows started giving me "Activate Windows" watermark but it was fixed with troubleshooting.
Love your reviews. You are a cut above the rest!!!
2:08 I though I had a notification on my phone, and realized it came from the video
Im looking forward to some great 7000 series deals.
Yep Hawk Point & Strix/Strix Halo is still 6-12 months away.
Gonna get my hands on a used $550 Asus TUF A16 *now* and splurge on a $4200 Strix HALO Framework 16 in 2025 😏
I'll wait for 9000...
Hi should i wait for zen 5 or just go for this?
I'm glad I got new AMD laptop with Nvidia rtx 4060, it seems that next year will not bring any performance considerable performance improvements unless Qualcomm and Windows step in with ARM architecture.
this is actually great news. Probably the 7000 series will get cheaper without any major performance difference from the newest series.
Sure. Amd fanboy will rather seeing themself got milked by Amd than welcoming competition from Intel.
@@runninginthe90s75 when did he say that 💀
So when are the new 9000 cpus coming out for desktops?
the thing I appreciate is that not many laptops w 7040u laptops and now i walked into best buy and saw a bunch of new 8040u laptops which i think is amazing for new ryzen laptops sknce a lot of the u series laptops were zen3 while yhe 7040 laptops were mostly put into gaming laptops are 7040hs series laptops
So this new series won’t benefit desktops? I am currently buying 7800x3d and just saw this so I was wondering if I should just wait for this for half a month?
Great video. I was researching the Ryzen 9 8945HS and came across your explanation of the model numbering and essentially a marketing scam by AMD, in this case, but they all do it and all because generally people see a bigger number they automatically thinks its got to be better. Thank you for this eye opener.
So just like their 6000 series ones? Was hoping to switch to amd for their core counts for editing while saving on cpu tdp.
Thank you for this video and explaining the neural processing unit. I will go with an AMD 7000 unit. There was a video that Mike 2D posted that shows off The Intel ultra 7 100 and its a huge letdown. Its on par with Ryzen 7 7000HS so id rather buy Ryzen.
I would like to see a comparison of Microsoft Surface Pro with AMD Ryzen 8040 vs Intel Meteor Lake vs Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite.
i was hoping to see an increase from their usual 8 cores to 12 / 14 cores for the H series mobile processors
No you get an nou instead like it or not lol
HX is already at 16
ermm... there is a 16 core now name R9 7945hx
ok, but does this mean that series 7000 will bleed out or no?
When this comes out it looks like it is going to be a good time to buy "last gen". Or wait for next generation after this one if you want more performance like I am going to do.
For reference, that decoder is a circular slide rule, which has existed in many forms and for many functions for centuries.
The question I think we need to ask is what does AI (NPU) on the CPU do for us users, and why is Microsoft putting such a big focus on this? I mean, it's not like this is going to allow us to run ChatGPT locally while disconnected from the internet. It makes me wonder if this is for our benefit or theirs.
Probably for Microsoft's benefit. The more ai compute from bing or copilot they can offload to user hardware, the less money they lose on each query.
I mean we already have an open source model (Mixtral 8x7b 3bit) that is on par with the quality of GPT 3.5 (free ChatGPT) that can run on high end consumer hardware (RTX 3090). So yes, you can already run the equivalent of free ChatGPT while disconnected from the internet.
@@KillFrenzy96That doesn't explain why Microsoft is making a big push more NPUs on our local processors. Offline mode is the exact opposite what Microsoft wants.
Of course AMD isn't ready with Zen5... Zen4 only came out a year ago. And Zen3+, Zen4, and RDNA2 APU's have been roffle-stomping Intel mobile since. If Meteor Lake provides competition against Zen4 in non-hardware-AI accelerated workloads in performance /watt, I will eat my hat. One of my hats, anyway. I mean, I hope it does... Competition means WE win.
I don't trust this AI thing being shoved down our throats as the latest and greatest thing that you absolutely need to buy or else risk of fomo... because I honestly don't even remember consumers asking for a dedicated NPU because without it was hurting performance of CPUs and GPUs to the point of making your PC or laptop unusable!!...
When was the last time that "consumers" asked for anything w.r.t. to a CPU?
Engineering is where the engineer offers something. If you like it, you use it. If you don't, you don't. You don't ask for it...
AI is here to stay; in fact, it has been here for more than 60 years. Learn to harness it.
@@Mzansi74 So we now live in a world where consumer demand and expectations are completely put to the side when developing a given product, and that such product and its features are developed in a vacuum devoid of any consumer input, even if the end consumer happens to be other engineers... well that's interesting and new to me!...
Also, if AI has been here for more than 60 years, then that means there's really nothing new and revolutionary to it as they're trying to sell it these days... so essentially snake oil huh?!...
@@you2be839AI is not a scam, but the marketing around it can be misleading. AI is often used as a buzzword to sell products. This is similar to how other terms like Big Data, Data Science, and 4th Industrial Revolution have been used in the past. These terms are just fancy names for things that have been around for a while.
AI will become more common in our daily lives, just like smartphones. However, it will take time for it to become mainstream. In the next 2-5 years, AI will be an important part of marketing for many tech products. But it’s important to remember that AI is just one part of a larger picture.
P.S. I studied AI at unversity more than 30 years ago. And even then, it was quite old. But untapped...
I am a lead software engineer and part of my job is create new features that I believe other people will find useful. If they do, I build on that feature, and if they don’t, I don’t create more of it. no one asked anyone to create fire either.
So, if software developers find the NPUs useful, they will create software based on those features. And if the users of the software find it useful, more software will be created, thus more NPU development done, etc.
@@Mzansi74"new features that I believe other people will find useful."... sorry, but if you know people will find it useful, then perhaps you somehow already polled from what people need/want... which kind of contradicts what you previously said, because I could swear you said that engineers dictated what end users wanted out of thin air!
Unfortunately those deals , discounts would probably be limited to US and Canada and maybe some parts of EU only .
I heard they have something like big-little cores (efficient+powerful) is that true?
is that possible to use igpu and dgpu for ai related tasks uh
AMD went Ryzen 4000/6000 series is what I would say, if it wasn’t for the decoder ring naming scheme meaning that the 8000 series can also be part of the Zen 5 launch. At least those other series were more exciting (4000 series was Zen 2 mobile, while 6000 series brought Navi-based iGPUs)
As stupid as Intel’s PowerPoint to calling AMD out (Raptor Lake Refresh being called 14th gen), this whole decoder ring is as confusing even though it’s technically less misleading: AMD should’ve named these “7x46” CPUs, an increment from “7x45”
U r right. They should. But amd love bigger numbers. That is why they skipped 4000 and 6000 on desktop. They get all the way up to 7000 so ppl believe amd zen architecture has been out for 7 generations. Even in reality it only out for 5 gen.
actually, Ryzen 5000 series also have a zen architecture mixing as well. Ryzen xx00u is in fact used Zen 2, and some like 5600U and 5800U are zen 3. Only until the xx25u refresh does AMD made the zen 3 synchronized change across the range.
tell me you suffer from a too big product protfolio without telling me you suffer from a too big product protfolio
what is the difference between 7840hs vs 8840hs for laptop. Should I wait for 8840hs or go with last generation.
It's literally same but ai
8845hs will be slightly overclocked
So I need to hold out for a 9955HX?
Think u just confirmed for me to get intel. I was curious on its workstation ability... probably very similar. Intel is winning here. Yeah sure 7800x3d is good, but slows in some areas. Im just waiting for 4070 ti uper to be released before i buy new comp now.
Everyone sent their engineers to work on AI, progress is non existamt on non AI hardware. 2012 to 2017 had cpu stagnation, now we have cpu and gpu stagnation.
lol cpu is Stagnation its increasing generation by generation much better than 2012 to 2017.
GPUs aren’t stagnant, they’re just overpriced.
Edit - Except the 4060/4060 Ti and AMD’s cards below the 7900XT. I suppose the low-to-mid-range is pretty stagnant actually. Upper mid range to high end is a good improvement but very expensive.
Nice Gundam Seed wallpaper, man 😂
They did this during 4000 series too
Yeah this naming scheme is garbage
AMD should make mini pc as well, it will sell so well
They are Doing Handheld, Console, and Minisforum and Ayaneo made some Amd mini pc
@@young-j731 i cannot fully trust chinese mini pcs unless its from major brands like ASUS etc...
@@leedaq7767skill issue
@@leedaq7767 bro but most of the pc devices come from China, there are brand like minisforum, beelink etc. that makes mini pc with high spec/price
I think it would be cool if you could just buy a dedicated NPU and attach it to your motherboard.
But then they couldn't keep out the competition by offering them bundled
There are a number of such options for m.2 slots. You can even get little ones for the wifi m.2 if you're not using it.
I can see a ton of these 8000 series chips being found in Minipc's next year.
nothing on the G line? been waiting on those for a build for my 9 year old, but they just keep holding out longer
Nothing. Its all AI all the time. Its an AI Me Too movement.
Comical how AMD lead the way with APUs that were great for low end systems doing light gaming, and they continue to ignore it for desktop.
Best video. Thanks Sir
Is that Strike Vs Justice?
I'm not a computer scientist nor do I understand fully all the technicalities of computer chips. But if I'm understanding this correctly, is this AMD upgrade on their Ryzen 8 series chips the same upgrade that Intel had on their 14th Gen chips? Just a refresh on their chips instead of an actual big upgrade?
It's less. Intel 14th Gen or Raptor Lake Refresh run at, in some situations, significantly higher sustained clocks. These do not.
@@HardwareCanucks And here I was thinking by Intel's 14th gen upgrade that they were out of innovation. Not saying AMD is out of innovation, but do you think we are getting into an era where there is not much more they can squeeze out of computer chips? The next thing will be have remaining high power in chips but with way better battery life I guess.
I heard 8000 desktop CPUs are anticipated by summer. Is that still the case?
We just want 3DVCache in more laptop cpus
Already exists
The main problem stems with the corporate executives giving timelines in contracts like. At time X we must release X amount of products, its routines like this is why we get half baked games, half baked gpus and processors. The need to put out new things on year X. For better or for worse (Idk im not a psychic) but I would rather prefer them release new products that are actually worth the $$$ that is a masterpiece regardless of how many years it takes, same goes for games.
To be fair, Im not entirely sure if we are going through a technological advancement diminishing returns. Meaning, it is no longer proportional to have technological improvements as we have from a decade ago. (ex. 1050 - 2050 = 100% fps improvement, but now 3050-4050= only 50% imrpovement.) As time goes on, that margin of fps imrpovement will wane due to technological restrictions.
Its more like a refresh to fix the driver problems that plague the 7000 series especially the dragon range variant.
How exactly will a refresh fix inherent driver issues?
Question is how much %ge of the people are actualy using the so called NPU ?
Oh! It's like the 4000 series. Maybe the 1200 series will be the same?
That depends if AMD decides to rebrand Ryzen after Zen 6, like how Intel did with Core Ultra 100 Meteor Lake, and that will carry forward on Arrow Lake which will be called Core Ultra 200.
I wonder if we will get a new mobile x3d chip if we don't i hope that will well get more laptops with the Ryzen 9xd3 not only the asus 17
Like you can't use AI on a 5 year old CPU?
AI is the most overused buzz word of the year. Maybe even decade.
I'd vote for "3D" as a close second. Remember that phase in the tech world?
I didn't know what I expected, but this was definitely different.
What specific applications would AI accelerators be used for in laptops?
Copilot
@@HardwareCanucks I highly doubt that GitHub or OpenAI will allow us to run Copilot locally. That would require them to publicly distribute their trade-secret model weights.
This was.done before with AMD
Indeed some bargains - 60% off on a 7000 series laptop with an RTX 2050 GPU when it was on sale in NZ... Buying a 6/12 APU, with 16 GB of DDR5 RAM and a separate GPU for under $1k NZ was IMO a deal...
Ai accelerators are like first gen RT cores or PhysX cards. Obsolete by the time it ships.
There's only so much you can do for single/multi core performance on laptop as they are limited by power and thermals. Both Intel and AMD are doing just as well.
AI hardware (AI inferencing performance) is going to be the determining factor to differentiate the top dog as Microsoft has been pushing for more AI performance.
More apps will include AI features from now on like office, photo apps, audio apps, even microsoft windows (with copilot).
Ryzen 8000 is not pointless, its pushing AI hardware with great performance out to general availability to prepare for upcoming apps.
The next benchmarks should include tasks utilising AI.
Hmm actually aren’t the highest end ones replacing dragon range which was 5nm and rdna2 gpu?
Although, those are hx, so maybe not.
Confusing
Edit: it’s actually worse, the 8945hs is equivalent to 7940hs and 8845 is 7840hs and the 8840hs is actually lower clocked than 7840hs..
Pretty sneaky.. not cool tbh
feeling reeeeeeeaaally fuken good i got the gpd win 4 early its gonna age so well, 3 gens in still no meaningful improvements
Yeah its called a refresh. The big ones will be the 8050 series or 9000 series...depending how they end up calling them. Zen 5 Strix point APUs will be the ones to wait for.
Then you'll be waiting till 2025
@@HardwareCanuckswell yeah? There’s no need to upgrade currently? What’s your point?
By the time Zen 5 releases it'll be the 9050 series
Of course zen 5 isnt ready. That's 2024 product what are people expecting
Let's confuse the heck out of our customers! It worked great for Intel, where there were about 100 different CPU's on market. Yikes. These companies drive me crazy.
I stepped up from a 3400G to a 8700G know more Vega graphics RDNA 3 instead.I skipped over the 5600G and 5700G,this should be a good rebuild still 65 watts can run 24/7 with out running up the electric bill any more and still get better graphics.
Cpu's are being mafe more efficient for client side scanning.
I am definitely liking my HP EliteBook 835 G10 7840U/32GB/5G 2TB Samsung 990 Pro SSD, as an upgrade to EliteBook 5850U/16GB/1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus, and am definitely gonna skip the 8xxx, being only AI/NPU upgrade; let's see what 9xxx, or even 10xxx, has to bring and maybe by that time offline AI will play a bigger part in daily productivity, especially also in Linux world. If I am not mistaken I think only Windows 11 24H2 will implement the Ryzen AI.
So better wait for the 7000 series getting some PERMANENT? price drops once these are released?..
it's kind of giving me the same vibes when intel did this with their 8th and 9th generation cpus
What software uses AI that is not on the cloud?
Copilot, locally stored ChatGPT, etc
Isn't this the same as always? Ryzen 3000 was desktop CPUs, 4000 was laptops'. 5000 was desktop, 6000 was laptop.
So on, so forth.
For gaming, it is negligible.
But I kind of understand if you want to use it for productivity.
The question is "How significant is the differences between not using NPU and using NPU?"
You're making the wrong question imho... the question you should be making is that you never felt the need for a PC with a dedicated NPU, so why are these mega corporations so eager to convince you that you now need one?...
@@you2be839 You are here to improve my question, it is right.
I hope big techtuber will explain about this
the CPU market has been so frustrating... you have the parked core issue on the AMD desktop CPUs and the lack of upgrade path on intel side. Now we aren't getting any updates on the mobile side either and the ultra core 7 was sort of underwhelming too... what is one to do who needs a new laptop in 2024? I need a replacement for a 2015 macbook (the fanless ultra portable one). I like the zenbook and I was considering waiting for AMD but not after seeing this... I could get a 2023 zenbook but you can only get 32gigs of RAM with an i9 which I don't want... I want an i7 or R7 with 32gigs of RAM and 1TB and that doesn't exist. So I guess I'm stuck with the ultra 7 2024 model.... gahhh
I cant believe the Lenovo Legion slim 5 laptop actually costs $1,790 in my country (and thats already a discount from $1,835!!), how is it possible that its $640 more expensive than in the US, thats such a huge difference and so unfair :(
Most people here saying they don't care about the chip because it is just a rebranded Ryzen with an NPU. The AI hardware needs to be out in the market in appropriate numbers before software is going to take advantage of it. The software will come in 1-2 years, but the hardware must have an installed base before that can happen. Eventually you will wonder how you lived without an NPU. Or, more specifically, the application that uses the NPU. Most likely that application will be some feature integrated with Windows 12.
Like what things do we use today that uses AI? You say they are currently being done with the CPU. This upgrade will offload those tasks to the NPU, you say. What are we doing that uses AI? Windows? What apps?
idk all i know is i play wow mainly and it says its built in gpu is better than my 5700xt by at least double the fps i get my 144fps pretty easy but they said 500 plus in 1080p which is what I use lmao if I can play what I am not but better for just a cpu only damn is all I can say.
Lmao. I got a brain aneurism with that naming convention.
I just want a good high end X3D for my Pc 😢
ryzen 4000 laptop chips were basically ryzen 3000 desktop parts (zen 2), Ryzen 6000 mobile chips, were ryzen 5000 desktop parts (zen 3).. Ryzen 8000.. Gasp.. you mean their largely based on Ryzen 7000 (zen 4) desktop parts! OMG THERES NO PATTERN! I DONT UNDERSTAND WHATS HAPPENING AAAGGHH!... massive sarcasm there at the end.
If there is Software taking advantage of the new unit it makes all the difference in the world.
Bashing the NPU in 2023 is like bashing AVX in 2008. Might wanna rethink that.
or not, there is no guarantee that most people need or want it. Atm the only thing I know that's going to be accelerated is copilot... This is like arguing that bashing Cortana was like bashing avx... Cortana is gone... I'm not buying this new hype until I see some evidence that it's worth the silicon loss. Most people are also fine with using ai in the cloud, but that costs the companies $$$ so this is a way to pass that cost onto you...
@@chronometer9931remember Nvidia release RT cores and yet many people boo them.. pure marketing bs and technology is not there yet.. but what happened? AI is the future intel CEO was right AI NPU is important
@@chronometer9931but now DLSS and rtx? The game changer in graphics industry
@@mashirokobato5509 Ray tracing is still garbage because you need upscaling to make it usable.
As for DLSS, that's a whole other story. It's good, great even. But it needed more time until we got to DLSS 2.
there's also apparently an 8000G APU's for desktop. The AI requirement from Microsoft is changing the landscape a bit.
Same igpu is a major let down…..
nice refresh